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mircea_popescu: the latter is entirely the reason ireland didn't go the way of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725493 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to describe how infinitely more mindnumbingly boring some moron derping on about priviledge, women's rights, blacks whatevers is when compared to any old bitty that wants to talk of nothing but cheap meals and best way to make prune jam.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment
asciilifeform: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cSP4C/?raw=true << is what i see. doesn't answer the riddle
asciilifeform: what 'won't work on glibc machines'
ave1: it's part of the cross compiler (under aarch64-linux-musl/aarch64-linux-musl/lib directory). The compilers assume it will live under /lib/ld.so, so that part won't work on glibc machines
BigTexasBingo: We don't have threatening mosquitoes here. There is a bit of Dengue in the North of Uruaguay, but in the city it isn't a thing
phf: but at the same time i suspect that the hostel in question doesn't for example have mosquito nets on bed frames, so it's possible that nigger runs deep in this particular case.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: By the time the fuckers leave there is a disturbingly high chance everything that isn't already mildewed will be.
trinque: doesn't seem to me like they're doing any harm as they work currently.
mircea_popescu: you know you've run this thing in a pretty confusing manner! there's like... 3 roots people don't know which to pick ?
mircea_popescu: "here's a black box", howsoever implemented in practice, "really lengthy patch you don't have the time to read" or "my poker bot" or whatever, is not-this.
pinochle: don't be a man alone
pinochle: begin with a small, reliable contribution, don't reinvent wheels
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 14:58 mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
mircea_popescu: you can't ; because i don't know you. did you see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803676 ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, couldn't care less what the wankers wank.
BingoBoingo: Their answer to that point is that "the company" cares. They aren't very clear on that leading me to suspect they are human trafficking chattel brought in on a sort of year long vacation package which gives them an allowance while "the company" milks the money from the "teaching" on at least a couple sides.
mircea_popescu: i'll grant it's a little difficult to guess what's going on from far away. if you don't say anything people are going to eventually assume something random.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hard to pick the relevant transforms from the box, what can i say. if this weren't the case "computer security" would be more akin hygiene.
mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: don't be too harsh on self ; item is deliberately made in such a way that not-quite-coincidentally is SO VERY CONTRARY to "common wisdom", unwrapping all the corners into head takes a while.
asciilifeform: hmm yea this doesn't fit the style of the other pgs, i'ma make it 1 colour
mircea_popescu: esthlos, you wouldn't make it a patch on genesis unless you were trying to signal your disdain for diana_coman 's work so far.
diana_coman: hm, why new genesis, I don't follow?
diana_coman: (we don't have anything else to use so use the pile of shit, yes)
asciilifeform: ( don't build boxes with swap! it is riotously stupid thing to do, full stop )
asciilifeform: esthlos: imho absolutely not; i haven't built a linix box with swapping to disk enabled, in decade+ ( 'secure alloc' simply means 'marked unswappable' ) ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what i was trying to say there. that's not the first time i cold emailed someone, and also not the last one. i'm just making sure s/n doesn't stay too high
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805634 << i emailed chromeunboxed.com guy "Robby Payne" on recommendation "they will know", haven't heard anything back. actually first time i cold called an online "specialist", not going to try that again ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it doesn't have to screw with the machinewide gcc; can do as part of buildroot ( iirc buildroot even supports auto-building gnat the same way i built e.g. arm7 gcc with it; but requires a running gnat to be present on the machine where it is done )
spyked: you ain't seen nothing yet. just wait till I publish my other coads.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-22 17:04 asciilifeform: you didn't ban xorg
douchebag: Haven't really worked much with Gentoo so it's a bit of learning
asciilifeform: i didn't notice any 'proper' parrot in BingoBoingostan. only the little green argentine type.
BingoBoingo: * wondering why Thanos wasn't gloating
BingoBoingo will confess to seeing the first English language (spanish subtitles) showing of what the authors call "Avengers: Infinity War" Eating one of the local "magic" baked goods T-1 hour before showing, and spending most of the time Thanos wasn't gloating over a WOT filter for this balancing
BingoBoingo: The Mexicans like to work, inevitably turn great again. That's why Pantsuit is trying to lure the ones who didn't come to work in 1960-2004 in now.
asciilifeform: in unix world it is the buttons that ~don't~ biteyerdickoff , that are remarkable.
asciilifeform: ^ re the dd example, if it wasn't clear
trinque: I don't see an extra shell in there, unless they hand-off via "exec"
jurov: for example, if sbcl ran the command using shell, this would have side effect of actually running touch: (run-program "ls" '("`touch /tmp/evil`") :SEARCH T)
jurov: trinque (run-program "ls" '() :SEARCH T)
jurov: No, you don't need shell to execute other programs.
trinque: jurov: can't blame the forklift when it runs over the operator
asciilifeform: jurov: i can't resist to ask -- how's that, and vs what
trinque: isn't "rm -rf /" the correct type?
phf: but you don't even have to jump through the hoops of escaping, most lisp's run program implementations, uiop including, support passing in command as a list of strings, which are in turn handled properly by the underlying machinery
a111: Logged on 2018-04-27 12:59 spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 15:08 phf: i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542346 << uiop hasn't the best reputation ftr ☝︎
spyked: the post doesn't purport to be a guide in correct common lisp programming (issues with those functions are explicitly discussed at the end). anyway, trinque, what's wrong with format? ☟︎
trinque: wtf. you're using format?! yet used uiop, but didn't bother to use their escape-shell-token ?
asciilifeform: perhaps moar interestingly, also of stroke victims who genuinely think 'i can move that arm, just haven't been feeling like it'
mircea_popescu: exactly like i don't for a second btcvixen or w/e it was doesn't know he's just a sad dork with a self-mutilated penis.
mircea_popescu: i do not even for a second believe they don't know better.
mircea_popescu: heretics joining them -- well they utterly fucking deserve everything they get, don't they.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 17:03 mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805748 << can't resist to come back to this one : imho some types of 'learning' are actually bad for health. ever wonder ~why~ the greybeards are incurable, and never show here ? doesn't seem to you that 20yrs polishing expertise in msexcel^H^H^H^Hpostgres might have something to do with it ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf in fact yielded up a pill that 1) makes it happen 2) doesn't write to disk
mircea_popescu: your problem isn't "postregs 10.0". your problem is exactly what i told you yest -- you want support for your recursion exposed by a fucking declarative lang. wtf.
mircea_popescu: the ticket to insanity is trying to adapt systems for the benefit of those who didn't want to use them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it's not worth much to you, ands this because you don't want to write postgres.
mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the 'auto gearbox' in postgres, isn't worth much
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? your car ALSO doesn't expose injector timings to you. i don't care you think you'd do a better job by hand. the direction's been away froim the fucking clutch, even. i personally own a car running tiptonic gearbox and girl who's an excellent stick driver, and she STILL prefers the autoclutch. because the machine does it way the fuck better, what.
phf: mircea_popescu: the ones that don't tend to be contracted by large postgresql users, but then the incentive is fucked up, because large postgresql users have already worked around the well known voodoo cases and want fancy new features instead, that run orthogonal to core (and in a very high level architectural sense are often the result of the core's "voodoo" limitations)
mircea_popescu: yeah, and this tower of pancake would have broken and i wouldn't use it.
phf: i suspect that's it's my favorite SAT, mapping declarative problems to an optimal imperative solution is NP, but nobody approaches it that way anyway, instead it's heuristics which have specific failure modes on case by case basis. ascii can see see the "obvious" derivation of optimal imperative solution from declarative code, but postgresql's compiler can't
asciilifeform: wasn't a 'code bug', but algo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, seems to me you can always fill the cracked moduli table at the time you announce them to deedbot. shouldn't lock your main moduli table in being a diff table.
mod6: shouldn't have been a problem with row-level locking neh?
mircea_popescu: i can't see how this could possibly work ?! so you made a special, "this is where we copy cracked moduli" table, and inserted into it, and this slowed your querties on your main table ?
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't agree "wild west ie wisconsin in 1860" is "braindamaged". notwithstanding the sheer lack of convenience stores.
mod6: So, don't mind looking at it, just don't wanna be responsible for it :]
mod6: Most of these need not exist. But, alas, sacred cow. Na na na na. Can't touch this.
mod6: I kinda like trying to performance tune databases a bit... just as long as I don't have to "own" the db.
mircea_popescu: and since most people a) have to deal with "idea men", ie dorks whose undisciplined mental process was never really checked by reality and b) don't ever have the authority to tell them off... well... of course the result is temptation to suicide.
mod6: "OMG YOU CAN'T PUT IN KEYS!? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1"
trinque: mircea_popescu had it, industrial machinery, organizes gigantic sets, does a few things to make sure the wad isn't lost.
ben_vulpes: "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims
mircea_popescu: there's a very deep link between "putin doesn't understand how the world works ; notwithstanding which he stole our election" and "cell (5,7) on your screen".
mircea_popescu: yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
asciilifeform: ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
asciilifeform: he didn't seem to grasp the notion that the patches are meant to be read and understood.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805494 << i can't picture who ( other than mircea_popescu in his described possible use case ) would need more than 1 ( or perhaps 2, 1 as a spare ) ☝︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them ☝︎☟︎
mod6: I went through midland/odessa once, didn't stop. Kept foot on gas.
trinque: after that, he says his computer didn't work (hey, you're a computer guy, right?) and showed me a picture of a dell laptop docking station, so who knows. maybe he goes out and drinks beer on his chicken
mircea_popescu: goes right back to the problem of the unknown. i CAN shoot down bikeshedding if i know the person. i can't if they're unknown, because then it's legitimate part of dogs sniffing butts getting to know each other.
mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown". ☟︎
trinque: I don't expect to make that one mainline "trb" though, unless somewhere down the line somebody also breaks off script.cpp into a tx compiler, breaks off a signer, etc
mod6: That said, it doesn't make a ton of sense to be off tilting at wind-mills if there are already reasonable solutions.
mircea_popescu: he made one megapatch, people were like "yeah, nice, now split it out in bits" ; he tried but didn't find a ready way to do it and kinda went silent.