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a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 15:11 asciilifeform:
they work pretty well,
to
the point
that asciilifeform sees dwellings where one aint installed, as roughly similar
to ones with outdoor latrine
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752701 <<
this is silly, especially considering
the discussion (washing ~one fork!!~) is specifically about
the so-amply-discussed-it's-almost-a-term-of-art bad angle for washing machine. seriously, you expect me
to fire up
the whole cubometre machinery
to wash one fork ? or what, is
the one plate from
today going
to wait 2 weeks
to be washed until
there's like a
third of a load ? nonsense.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: considering how bucket 4 was never really more
than a % or
two ; and how bucket 3 was a good 40% of humanity (about 80% of it male)...
this is a social shock,
to say
the least.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:57 asciilifeform: say, 'tards who need caretakers/gasenwagen', 'tards who need
tard
trainers, can be made employable', 'normal folx', 'people worth
teaching booklearningz'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq
tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't
train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into
the 4 basic buckets,
BingoBoingo: But
the colombians here
this weekend have been
tremendous help with
the spanish.
BingoBoingo: The pooling would have gone unnotice by myself if it wasn't for
the right side of my bed being where water slowly leave
the roof for
the building interior.
BingoBoingo: Other
tenants y staff don't seem
to be panicking, so it's anthropology
time.
BingoBoingo: As in
there is now a pool over
the center of
the building ~3.5 cm deep at its deepest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rain revealed
the roof's pitch on
the hostel is bowl shaped
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far so god, aside from a critical structural failing banana'd into
the hostel...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's
try and understand
this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as
the role only,
to be filled by whichever of
the available persons according
to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in
the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like
this is a replay of
the iq
thread - it is quite impossible
to specify 'smart', but
trivial
to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy
to describe a useless one;
the list of horrible food is easy
to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of
tasties; etc
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at
the dumb end of
the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
mircea_popescu: this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why
there's not
that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are.
mircea_popescu: at
the dumb end of
the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or
the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit
the concept at
the upper bound -- saying
this guy is smarter
than
this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching
the matter ; or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless.
mircea_popescu: come from
the anti-IQ side! In other words, members of
the anti-IQ camp simultaneously believe
that on one hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on
the other hand,
those who deny
this, even by a
tenuous implication, are subhuman."
mircea_popescu: aand in other news, "What is
the lowest IQ
that allows some person
to write a peer-reviewed paper
that proves
that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox
that I noticed was how
the anti-IQ camp fears
that acknowledging
the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and
treated accordingly. However, every single
time
that I have actually seen somebody being called a "subhuman",
this has
mircea_popescu: "Once we get rid of
the social construct
that men are physically stronger
than women, little girls will surely grow up
to be just as strong as men. We can already see glimpses of
this future utopia of equality in many junior sports events where a 12-year-old girl competes with 12-year-old boys and wins!"
mircea_popescu: within a half year you'd end up with a little
traditional village within
the walls. practically say (pre war) syria, or ukraina. reconstructed, at great expense.
ben_vulpes: american democracy is a miserable
thing, demanding
that
there be one boss (the state) and all subservient
to it without ever acknowledging
their subservience.
ben_vulpes: when i ran a small coeterie of staff
the steel spine of our success was
the chain of command from whence sense and marching orders came, and everyone's utterly clear understanding of where
they stood
mircea_popescu: and so no...
there isn't anything
to
talk about ; over beer or over anything else. just look away with empty eyes.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform:
the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up
to
trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in
the
theory
mircea_popescu: something in
the cold, windy sky drying people out inside.
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with eg. il merlo maschio, same
topic but in
the olive oil lands of southern europe, and suddenly some kind of fundamental problem becomes more
than evident.
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental statement of
the problem, i'd say unavoidable. rich "software engineer" of
the 70s (ie, architect, like
those guys in
the swiss pornos always seemed
to be, recall?) goes off his rocker and kills a woman.
trinque cuts checks
to a dude
that does some basic software support
ben_vulpes: such a sad
thing,
the rejection of hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: most "couple
trouble" among college-educated esl readily reduce
to "two subbies
tired of
their bitter arguments over who has
to dom for
the evening".
mircea_popescu: amusingly, you'll be surprised how many MEN are in
the same position.
mircea_popescu: the resultant neurosis is ~80% of
the whole "liberal-progressive" ethos.
mircea_popescu: trinque well, many
things are wrong with it. for instance, plenty of girls never encountered a male centered enough
to be able
to manifest for.
trinque: what
the hell's wrong with it? girl's been glowing over getting
to do so.
trinque: on
the matter of women serving men, it's been real nice having
the one in household finding various delicious liquid foods
to serve up while my wisdom
tooth holes mend.
mircea_popescu: there's some fundamental alienation at work in
the german lands, of which england is a sad, marginal, forgotten island (of which colonies are ... all a sort of sadder wales). have you ever seen Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten ?
ben_vulpes: now if only
there were anything
to
talk about over beer but gay marriage
mircea_popescu: in a sense
taking
the garbage pouring out of pantsuit mouth as such and
trying
to engage it on merits is not unlike
the fool of old, looking at
the hand
that pointed at
the moon.
mircea_popescu: ~same with blacks,
they picked blacks over latinos simply because
there's fewer of
them, which isn't
to say
this is any kind of mental process, of course.
the moth didn't pick light "because", in any sort of moth-personal sense, it just got picked for it by
the workings of matters external.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:25 mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ?
that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ?
that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
mircea_popescu: able
to locate it easily, and exactly same for pantsuit.
they picked "gay"
to worship because it's relatively cheap and easy and ineffectual (as in it dundu nuffin, see also
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750998 re
this) -- because
there's virtually no gays as such.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: anyway,
that i record protest only should not be construed in a negative view of
the man. on
the contrary, he has many good points chief among which
the systematic deployment of
the view
that whatsoever
the pantsuit claim
to
think, believe, etcetera has absolutely no direct value, and is no more meaningful
than
the finch's call.
the finch doesn't MEAN something by
the noise it makes ; it merely intends for other finches
to be
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
the
tiny knolwedge afflicts he who should stfu and do a better job of world domination.
mircea_popescu: ikka does not want
to discipline NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE woman, let alone her sisters and offspring. he just wanted
to science!!
mircea_popescu: let's
try and understand
this : running a house without a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as
the role only,
to be filled by whichever of
the available persons according
to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in
the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use a fork. what has been saved ?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: market more "inefficient" compared
to central planning led by "smart" people. It is certainly amazing how
technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons
to be sold for
three cents apiece, well worth
the
time and convenience
they save me."
mircea_popescu: "An important role of prices in free markets is
to convey information about individual needs and preferences in a world of seven billion people who can each see only a very small part of it. A while ago, a poster elicited fawning oohs and aahs in
the progressive blogosphere by pointing out how absurd it is
to go
through all
the steps needed
to make a plastic fork instead of using a metal fork and washing it afterwards. Indeed
mircea_popescu: so no,
the male phalic supremacy opressing all others, especially stupid women and dumb ethnos isn't going away ; and it certainly won't permit
the leverage of
this "but we like
to fuck and disagree!!!"
tool
to unhinge it
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
there's nothing fundamentally scientific about retarded anglo-neoprotestantisms ; nor anything fundamentally retarded anglo-anything about science.
mircea_popescu: this happened because
the minimalistic religion of
the
time appealed
to people "who just wanted
to", and really didn't see why
they should pay court
to napoleon when
there were volumes
to measure say.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back
to
the upstack,
the "science
tries
to [...] silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it" nonsense is a sad misread of history by people who really should know better. yes it's
true
that for a while scientists were also puritans, as a religious inclination.
mircea_popescu: total waste of a fucking word.
that's wtf
the domain is
there for.
mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous"
to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function
that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants
to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite
the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous
theft from a safe
mircea_popescu: goedel directly says, "science is just one
text and necessarily no complete".
that
this is not equivalent with "irigaray is better
than average milkmaid" is
true, but also who
the fuck cares about irigaray enough
to put her name in
this.
mircea_popescu: but it bears repeating :
there stands, and well respected for good cause, an century old result of science
that shows
there can not be such a
thing as an explicitly consistent system.
mircea_popescu: (consider
the most scientific attempts
to make sewing machine
that failed for a century, and
the most unscientific eventual solution. also, evidently, airplanes.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform provided
there's a direction in
the first place. science is defenseless in front of category error
a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: but yes,
this provides on
the side an excellent explanation in
this context's
terminology of why man must learn languages : it is
the ONLY way
to have orthogonality in natural speech.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 16:05 mircea_popescu:
that's smooth noise. \
mircea_popescu: it's evidently not
true
that "all reads are equally valid" or in any way just as good ; but it's certainly not
the case
that science is sufficient per se.
this should be directly evident, but even without
that : science is, much like nature itself, a SMOOTH process (a valuable reference here being
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732986 ), and as such WILL get
trapped in local maxima. which is why heuristics is a
thing, and
☝︎ mircea_popescu: comedy in how
they now whine
that
those global warming deniers disrespect
the absolute authority of science, so all
those dissenters ought
to be silenced and
their hedonistic lifestyles curtailed... by force if necessary?"
mircea_popescu: o justify
the right of
the white male patriarchal capitalist phallogocentric power hegemony
to dictate its values and lifestyle choices on
the oppressed groups and silence all hedonistic and rebellious dissent against it. Fast forward
to
the present day, and now
the humanities and liberal arts are solidly left-wing in
the culture wars, for various reasons. Surely I can't possibly be
the only one
to laugh at
the unintentional
mircea_popescu: ciences
that get constantly
tested and have
to prove
their correspondence
to
the uncompromising objective reality every day, no wonder
they fell so hard for
the postmodernist mumbo-jumbo of Derrida, Latour and Lacan
that sweetly whispered in
their ears
that Western science is only one narrative and "text" among many
that are equally valid, and since it is an objective
truth
that no objective
truths exist, science only
tries
t mircea_popescu: "A few decades ago before all
this current silliness started,
the humanities and liberal arts departments in academia were badly losing
the science wars. After all, even astrology at least makes falsifiable predictions (to say nothing of
the fact
that stars actually exist), a hurdle far above
the abilities of most of
the humanities. Desperate
to prove
that
they are just as
true and valid systems of
thought as all
those hard s
mircea_popescu: o hey, only
took a dozen of
these
to run aground. here we go :
mircea_popescu: hurt a pantsuit
today,
the worse
the better and
the more lastingly
the more productive.
mircea_popescu: perfectly fine statement ;
though of course what you can do is... beat
them. doh.
mircea_popescu: doesn't understand
the enormous complexity and
the "root causes" of
this problem. What can you do, except perhaps escape
to one of
the few remaining islands of sanity, and hope
that
the madness doesn't follow you
there, at least for a while?"
mircea_popescu: easingly messy bureaucracy
that claims
to help headache sufferers even
though it only ever comes up with increasingly absurd "solutions"
to
the new problems
that its actions conjure up while its proponents do
their best
to explain away
these consistent failures. On
the other hand, if you
try
to help by suggesting
that
their heads would stop hurting if
they just stopped banging
them against
the wall, you are a "simpleton" who
mircea_popescu: "If I had
to describe using only a couple of sentences what it feels like
to be a conservative, I would probably compare it
to
the hypothetical but surreal experience of noticing how many people around you have headaches because
they keep banging
their heads against
the wall. If you don't do anything,
that makes you objectively a "part of
the problem", especially if you express any distaste
towards having
to pay for some incr
mircea_popescu: cribe in public, but certainly not in
their private actions,
to
the shibboleths of
this group."