asciilifeform: with opposable thumb (!) opens rubbish bins, even turns door knobs
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc we had thrd re 'trash panda' ; picture aggressive 20kg rat, eats e.g. cat, tunnels through drywall, w/out breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol
asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i seem to recall that BingoBoingo had 1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909179 << can't resist to bite into this : chicago also has '5star' w/out bathtub. seen with own eyes. as for bidet, iirc 1 time some hotel magnate had'em installed, and it caused puritanwank on front pages of the fishwrap, hastily removed. ( iirc was in fact chronicled in an ancient mircea_popescu piece ! )☝︎
asciilifeform believer in 'proggy may not be the spec' dictum. in the arithmetic chs, however, there is no spec beyond e.g. 'multiply these two numbers in constant spacetime', which has simple unambiguous meaning.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right. ( and in the peh-related later ch.s, the text is actually the 'official' spec , and not the proggy )
asciilifeform: will add, that readers are encouraged to write an' post own proofs, as e.g. spyked did.
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect that not only the diagrams, but the text, is optional : it aint a very complicated proggy, and patient reader could in principle grasp it w/out a cribsheet
asciilifeform: ( recall, is why e.g. mod6 wrote ~own~ vtron )
asciilifeform: possibly there's a deeper 'meta' point in this thread, i.e. that the final stage of fitting a mechanism in-head, is when you rewrite it with own hands, in the notation of ~your~ choice, so that the orig author's arbitrary conventions (and it is impossible to write anyffin nontrivial w/out ~some~ personal convention) dun rub the skin off yer feet.
asciilifeform: this is really about all i have to say on the subj.
asciilifeform: folx who do not like that the e.g. ch10 electrical diagram goes left-right , can a) draw own b) look strictly at the algebra , as asciilifeform did when wrote it to begin with , i do not have a year to spend on redrawing'em mirrored.
asciilifeform: ( i'll add : imho, an 'ffa graduate' oughta be able to write own correct arithmetron in his asm of choice, in coupla weeks , if feels like it. )☟︎
asciilifeform: folx who dun like that ada asks you to write arrays low ... high , can make own lang and write arithmetron for selves in it, it is not a priority for asciilifeform and i dun see an argument for making it one.
asciilifeform: there's no 'endianism' in the proggy, there is not a possibility that tape written on 1 box is interpreted differently on another, by design. this is the beginning and end imho of correct approach to the q.
asciilifeform: to sum up the thread, asciilifeform's 'official' position is that this entire subj is exactly naggum's 'tooth licking' -- it is problem only if someone fixates on thinking of it as problem.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'x and 1' gives you the 1s bit, dun matter what yer iron is made of
asciilifeform: cuz it doesn't use 'gimme n-th bit' instruction, nor 'gimme n-th byte', anywhere.
asciilifeform: i'll add, however, that ffa does not use byte-addressing or bit-addressing, if you were to build a machine where either is in whatever direction, and write a (standard-compliant) ada for it, ffa will work same way.
asciilifeform: bit 0 is the 'ones' bit , on errything built from 1958 or so to present day
asciilifeform: actually 'endianism' dun belong in the discussion at all, and it is serious mistake to include it -- it refers to how ~bytes~ are positioned in byte-addressable machines
asciilifeform: which is opposite of how one usually writes bit positions, and annoys some folx ( e.g. diana_coman )
asciilifeform: the q, if there even is a q, is re what convention of order to write array range in. ada forces the low-to-high left-to-right.
asciilifeform: often enuff the bits are stored interleaved via some satanic scheme, and aint even contiguous on a single die or ram stick etc
asciilifeform: there is not a physical left or right that actually corresponds to it.
asciilifeform: mod6: the 'left' and 'right' in array are imaginary.
asciilifeform: i gotta admit tho, that the 'oh noez, array isn't drawn with the junior bits at the right' thing never bothered me.
asciilifeform: but neither ada nor anyffin else, does this.
asciilifeform: mod6: ideally array syntax would allow the array range to be declared subtype Word_Count is Indices range Indices'Last .. 1; , and for the '1' to be 'first' pos. then would be consistent with the trad shl/shr 'geometry'.
asciilifeform: no hurry mod6 , it'll make sense once you eat diana_coman's piece
asciilifeform: no reason to, it oughta look same on errybody's display, that wasn't the q
asciilifeform: i'ma add this to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908374 file, btw : if there existed actual programmatic diagram tool, who wants mirrored could simply push button an' flip. ( as it is, thing is 100% laboriously -- as in months of fiddling -- hand-drawn )☝︎
asciilifeform: ( so far no one else mentioned it in the log, but i have nfi whether because wasn't headache-inducing, or no one read far enuff in other than diana_coman )
asciilifeform: mod6: outta curiosity, didja have same headache as diana_coman , with the left-right diagrams ?
asciilifeform: the historical meaning ( and iirc diana_coman pointed this out in the piece ) is simply from how european writes a number, left to right, e.g. 10, bin 1010 >> 1 is 101 (5) , the motion being to the right
asciilifeform: ( but at the same time 'shl' and 'shr' in same only ever refer to their conventional meaning, n*=2 and n/=2 respectively )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, i looked through my paper notes and found that often enuff i draw registers in both directions, depending on what was convenient to fit other things on the pg.
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible tho , to grasp the material w/out them ( diana_coman apparently did -- or used a mirror ? i do not know )
asciilifeform: drew the e.g. ch10 'electrical' illustrations 'in reverse' w/out even noticing ( and apparently diana_coman is 1st to notice )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly asciilifeform is odd in this respect, but can rotate things around axis of symmetry w/out really thinking about it, possibly this leads to the sort of thing that irritated diana_coman
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aaa you were speaking of the diagrams in 10, 12, 14 . yes they're 'mirrored'.☟︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this pt i'm not even convinced that there ~is~, or could be, a 'chinese strategy', or 'they want..' -- these folx have not developed a with-what to want , whole edifice reduces to individual party-appointed directors' desire for miami☟︎
asciilifeform: modern-day ru, with putin's 'we will have government without ideology'(tm)(r) is in practice very similar animal.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece re how 'the people w/out balls, they do not want Anything to Happen; they want to hum along.' that's china in 1 sentence.
asciilifeform: in asia they have blind 'cult of wealth', in the straight '10c cheaper litre of petrol' sense.
asciilifeform: i suspect that proprietor of 'gowin' et al is not thinking 'how do i vanquish the reich' but instead 'how do i chisel enuff revenue away from xilinx to build palace in miami for my 4 sons'. and i betcha already built.☟︎
asciilifeform: i suppose could even argue that the chinese chip folx suffer from a variant of this -- they drank enuff usg.coolaid to begin to think that they, too, could 'make money from intellectualproperty(tm) just like miami'☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. why would they want to turn golden toilet into sub-cent margin 'commoditized m3 screw'☟︎
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje has the spare cycles, asciilifeform is quite curious to learn how exactly the chinese chip folx are 'leaving money on table'
asciilifeform worked with chinese fella who spent multiple hr erry day on ~looking for 10c cheaper petrol~ . the english have perfect term, 'penny wise, pound foolish'
asciilifeform: mandatory, too ( do biz in kr ? say hello to ie ~6~ )
