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mircea_popescu: for my sins i ended up with split log situation
mircea_popescu: river of meat fishin'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite, yeah.
mircea_popescu: so now back to the issue : we have some semblance of defense against what is in fact a universal problem ; they don't, and are in denial. as per the cannonical expression of this situation, http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-147.267-153.105
mircea_popescu: which brings us full circle to why exactly it is that universal butchery http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523317 : by making fewer people you DO make the problem "go away" ; but you resolve naught. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nobody in the time of voltaire had retina burns from laser watching.
mircea_popescu: historically, it was ensured by exactly the same process that ensures you can find your goat in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ - which is to say low pop density and the necessary orcishness therein produced will "protect" you in the sense not having lasers protects you from shining them in your eyes.
mircea_popescu: machine".
mircea_popescu: this point is valid, the only problem is that it mostly discusses THE STATE. yes, every fiat entity has the incentive to eventually pivot ; and they all do. the derps are currently insulated from this by the momentary happenstance that the thieves are in a compact, called "the state", and everyone left outside is well... not someone you'll hear about. because exactly of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523303 "entertainment ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523293 << by the way, i don't think the implication of that discussion can't possibly be understated. for instance, it is a common etatist criticism of "what they call bitcoin" so really, tmsr, that "everyone running a business has an incentive to eventually run so eventually will" sort of thing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523334 << the memory hole effect. un-fucking-washable, for some god forsaken reason. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: actually, this guy died sovereign, over a rather enlarged moldavia (took mostly from poles, lithuanians etc). he left testamentarily that "listen to your old shepherd, deal with the turks ; unlike the russians, the turks keep their word"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: >D
mircea_popescu: "bring my my brown pants" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: next year, my lord, the turks are coming ? "a lot ?" well... suleiman himself, 1mn infantry, more horse than previously known to exist in the world, etc
mircea_popescu: so they go, beat the turks back over danube, take trophies, build monastery, rape the nuns etc.
mircea_popescu: but why the red ones majesty ? well... if i get hurt, the troops won't see the blood and won't lose heart.
mircea_popescu: "get my my red pants"
mircea_popescu: so joke is, vornic comes to stephen, my lord, the turks are coming. "a lot ?" well... there's the vidin pasha with maybe 100k jannisary + etc
mircea_popescu: this guy, legendary ro leader, fought something like 50 encounters with the turks, won over 90%. including you know, crazy shit with 1.x mn men on opposing side.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523186 << btw speaking of this, you know about stephen the great's pants ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523262 << you mean eliza ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523127 << wasn't a star wars reference ; it was a concordat of worms reference. you know, with the guelphs ghibelines et all ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not that it's a novel, or worthy idea. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is how people end up with the notion of butchering most of the extant walkers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it is.
mircea_popescu: gets lulziest when they encounter people who do not want to exchange their life for a fetish, and then explode into "putin doesn't understand how the world works!!1"
mircea_popescu: ironically, people in the contemporary, anglo sense of that term WANT to be these empty identities. no idea why or how; but imo much more serious a threat to anarchism than any kind of authority.
mircea_popescu: more like, a good chunk of what this stable of uselessness tries to argue its usefulness from, is their utter failure to do anything about things like phuctor, misrepresented.
mircea_popescu: now, to be perfectly clear, i'm not either accusing or suspecting x guy of this, chiefly because i don't imagine he has the resources. nevertheless, phf's objection is much harder to reject than superficially appears.
mircea_popescu: which is all i mean by that.
mircea_popescu: so no sort of argument.
mircea_popescu: that works, EXCEPT you already tune things out because... IT IS TOO NOISY
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, it is unknowable. but the naive defense of the person first contemplating this issue is "oh, this is too noise, i'd hear about it"
mircea_popescu: this is ~half of the usg "national security" plan, except they suck at both modelling and implementation. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and this is just the first step. nothing forces your identities to keep playing ; you can retire them at any point you wish, and now you have a stable of "never wrong over n binary questions" respectables.
mircea_popescu: where's the difference from ? and if it were this, who'd know ?
mircea_popescu: what we ALSO know for a fact is that the count of people actually active on facebook last year (~10mn) is deeply dwarfed by the number of facebook accounts (>1bn).
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, there is nothing there.
mircea_popescu: for an observer, these being unlinked, there's "genius" identity 10111010001 which answered correctly to that many binary questions in a row.
mircea_popescu: consider the proper model for this : let there be an unknown endless list of binary questions. you create an endless list of identities, which you publish, 2^(n+1)-1 for the nth question. unknown to anyone but you, they are linked in a tree (ie, you know in advance identity 10111010101 will answer "yes" to q1 no to q2 yes to q 3-5 etc).
mircea_popescu: people generally misunderstand the extreme power of the fuzzing attack.
mircea_popescu: understgand that the a/b split-scam scheme there discussed can do this with ~identities~ too. just create a tree of them.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im just saying in general, i myself have nfi who he is.
mircea_popescu: on one hand there's the mfas, a number game, based on brute force. like say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-25#1509965 (showaround). on the othe rhand there's "authority blogs", like say gawker. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is a "business model", and in the shit the us is these days, it's actually a "premium" business model : establish "authority" of the purely wordy sort, then pivot.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: #trilema, will rape your mind into a new shape. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: copies work well for the past, but who can copy the future...
mircea_popescu: "i could be mp, i read all he wrote" "and if tomorrow mizdra lands with an alien submarine, what will you say as mp ? this hasn't happened in the past ALREADY, for you to life the quote"
mircea_popescu: phf point taken.
mircea_popescu: on one hand you have people with the fixed part "disagreeing", who dress it up as they dress it ; on the other, you have the people with the fixed dress, who call "their position" as they may call it. these are very different, and the latter's easily disqualified.
mircea_popescu: "everyone who disagrees is usg stooge" <<< this is not the criterion. everyone who dresses his "position", which they don't even call disagreeing, IN THE SAME COLORED PANTS, evidently shops at the same shop. you see ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reply isn't "this serves tmsr's purposes", but moreover, the reply is that he's in charge of his own household, and if he is making a mistake it'll hurt... him. and if the other made a mistake, evidently it'll hurt... the other.
mircea_popescu: "Il est à remarquer que l'once d'argent ne vaut pas cent de nos sous valeur intrinsèque, comme le dit l'Histoire de la Chine; car il n'y a point de valeur intrinsèque numéraire; mais à prendre le marc de notre argent à 50 de nos livres de compte, cette somme revient à 1250 millions de notre monnaie en 1740" <<< he knows. in 1700!
mircea_popescu: shall i quote voltaire to you ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ie, there is absolute value, IN words ?
mircea_popescu: damn. poor Framedragger , that "pure world, biaseless, untainted by rooting in authority" is crumbling so fast ;/
mircea_popescu: phf and if it were ?
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like mpoe-pr by now.
mircea_popescu: phf as long as he's not wrong...
mircea_popescu: alright.
mircea_popescu: oh oh they're the people with the crypto challenges ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "colorfully squandered", makes it go full circle.
mircea_popescu: phf in fairness, digging too deep into english space "authority" is never well advised. trump turns into "guy who ~squandered inheritance" for eg.
mircea_popescu: phf ic.
mircea_popescu: this disregard of the cockroach births register can't possibly be a criticism of me.
mircea_popescu: except from my pov i dun actually care to distinguish the cockroaches to the point of naming them
mircea_popescu: see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522801 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yes, we're adjusting the meaning of rsa-crypto to explicitly not care, as discussed yest. but this is novel.
mircea_popescu: would he truly care then ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger suppose i do that, and i get a message from a woman who thinks i'm him, and take her out to coffee and she brings me seven children over thirty years.
mircea_popescu: ok but can we be specifix plox!
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik it imports but warns, and you can run it in a context with warning supressed.
mircea_popescu: maybe alf's mp-generator dun work too well, but lo and behold - my phf-parser dun work half as much!
mircea_popescu: the... what ?!
mircea_popescu: who is this ? (excuse me, i'm new!)
mircea_popescu: the one true advantage of irc as we have it is that well... nobody's hanging on this thread.
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: "may have" is the contention ? or ?
mircea_popescu: because my recollection is, me/alf/phuctor made some very careful statements, pinoy restated them wronglyt and proceeded to win the war with the strawmen.
mircea_popescu: link to those reports then ?
mircea_popescu: (other than in a discussion with the sort of imbecile typified today by hasimir, i dunno either of us gives half a shit.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (on the sub-subject of "defending the power of phuctor's results" << it is entirely reactive. just as doctor defending the power of sanitation. in some contexts it's the only thing a doctor can say - and he can be rendered "ridiculous" by insisting on presenting him in that context, but really, the joke's on the unwashed.)
mircea_popescu: there's two classes composing the support there. one, the wider, is plain idiots, of the us business major sort. the other, however, hopes to be saved from some darkness within or i dunno wtf.
mircea_popescu: i perceive the following problem : in my (rightful) bashing of idiocies (allinged around "colored coins", "dao" etc, that jazz) i distinctly hear the crushed hopes of people who look at those as a refuge from something else, specifically. i suspect it's hwqat you call "anarchists" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i wouldn't mind discussing this.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely persuaded by this. i can't really say i had it all that bad in romania at any point.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to be in the same room as "hrc"'s dead cooch.
mircea_popescu: certainly liked it a shitload more than kruschev's su. which is the fucking point the idiot elides. the LEADER is ~the only concern.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only thing is, back then the us was run by reagan and i more or less liked it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was greek equiv, 1980s
mircea_popescu: so ... is it... wrong that some statements proceed from authority ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun care about all that ; i'm more interested about the philosophic angle to it.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, sure, the equivalent of vampyr, the junior high vampire cca 1990. problem is, junior high vampire doesn't actually believe there's 85,7 mn people going to his highschool, nor that the population on campus grounds exceeds that of guangzou
mircea_popescu: political speech is going to be political speech ; you aim to change that ? or what is your investment exactly ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger more importantly though, do you see some goal here ? or trying to accomplish something ?