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mircea_popescu: yes, but
that
takes skill. waitressing
takes a pulse and not oversleeping
too often because you whored out / smoked yourself blank
the previous night.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what honest fucking
trades. like what, you open a lemonade stand, and
through
thrift and industry you end up owning all of
the east end lemonade
trade ?
mircea_popescu: it's either programming, "psychopathy" or else you go on
the dole. and no,
the sort of job parole officer gets for you ain't anything BUT
the sort of "job" "social worker" gets your sister, ie "sit home, be rapebait, here's your supplemental whatever card"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:35 asciilifeform is astonished
to regularly , as
today, encounter folx who are apparently posting from a
timewarp, maybe 1998-99 , where
they labour under
the delusion
that 'why not go into programming, it's a guaranteed and comfortable living'
mircea_popescu: which is even a welcome fucking idea, no more of
this "DANGEROUS CURVE AHEAD". bitch, i don't know your idea of "dangerous", say "curve
type W64" and be fucking done with it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:29 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774654 <-- from my experience, learning for a purpose can lead
to a personal place of misery. consider
http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ ; if anything, rather study computing *because* people who know computer systems are needed
today (hard
to believe
they won't be needed
tomorrow either)
than for any imagined fame and glory.
the romantic image of pentester belongs only
to "hacker" movies
mircea_popescu: can pick whosoever is
the mark
through
the
trivial process of
their all but screaming it.\
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 17:25 BingoBoingo: Nervous, carried self in manner
that screamed latina holding more cash
than accustomed
to.
ben_vulpes: live in
the ghetto, scrape pennies
to buy btc. zillion
times better
than investing in
the stock market bezzle or any of
the other mad 401k/roth lockup chumpatrons
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 16:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i
thought he was a student
ben_vulpes: but precisely
that with drop-in webforms and recurring payments and all sorts of
tools for people who can't make
their own
ben_vulpes: > Despite
this, we remain very optimistic about cryptocurrencies overall
☟︎ shinohai: (This was on a Gentoo, will
try later on African linux)
shinohai: Just
to make note in logs, I
tested phf's vdiff changes as outlined on his blog, and got satisfactory results. Old version of vdiff failed as expected.
shinohai: What a great log,
too much
to link
to but I learned
things same way -
took apart my
trash80,
then
the 8088's. My room was littered with such stuff.
lobbes: God help
this new generation
lobbes: Was only
there where I actually
took apart old 90's machines, saw and held motherboards, connected power supplied, and interfaced with DOS. if only for a short
time.
lobbes: If it weren't for
the (wholly optional) "pc repair" class I
took in high school (~2004) I never would have gone beyond
the "how
to MS Word" in
the mandatory "Computers" class.
phf: trinque:
the function used
to be performed by a
teacher with a ruler
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:36 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding
the matter cooly and with
the disinterest of old age, i can affirm
that
this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education
tool in my life. it's what feeds eg
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up
to
that :
the 6yo mp's discovery
that
there exists a numeric universe underneath, and
that it's
t a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 asciilifeform:
to revisit
the micros : it is interesting
that NOBODY
today makes a comp of any description
that presents
the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
trinque: gonna need a device someday
to sit 'em down in, makes
them
track a red dot on
the wall. if
they lose it, electric shocks
to
the bum and
the dot moves faster.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 20:10 phf: i guess
the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants
to hack, in which case it's going back
to commodore
thread. between esl education and ipad
there's no obvious direction of exploration,
that he can
take
the way we could
take it in
the 90s
trinque: aside
the marginal actual medical cases of malformed brain, or w/e
trinque: ftr "empathy" is not caring about anyone; it's being able
to model
them. not having it just means you were given ADD by
the blinkenlights as a child.
trinque: they're
trying
to
teach
them autism, so later
they mistake
their lack of capacity for attention as such.
ben_vulpes: "oh
they like
to cozy up
to it and pretend
to be business people. some even haul
the cash register over
too!"
ben_vulpes: "pardon me, but what on earth do you have
the
toddlers using /that/ for?"
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i discovered a computer in a 2.5y preschool classroom
this am
phf: i guess
the main differentiator is whether or not douchebag actually wants
to hack, in which case it's going back
to commodore
thread. between esl education and ipad
there's no obvious direction of exploration,
that he can
take
the way we could
take it in
the 90s
☟︎ phf: you'll laught but
that's how i learned about 127.0.0.1 :F
phf: right, sort of like how
they used
to ask "how do i learn hacking?" as an opener on kiddie channels
trinque: which, it's sorta appropriate for
the age. it's frankly someone else's fault
the strapping lads aren't being forced into productive activity.
☟︎ trinque: I
took it as more
the kind of self-marketing
they
teach kids
to "get into college"
lobbes: And
the new dawn of "babies watching youtubes" isn't gonna help
this learned helplessness. Just cement it
lobbes: Very much a cargo cultism, I would say. Cannot conceive of
the workings of physics
that even allow planes
that drop payloads. Never been shown, or explained, by -anyone-. "Assembly code for favorite vidya game? But all my phriends just use "Game Shark" for
their cheating levels"
lobbes: It appears such
to someone with actual skills such as phf. But for one for whom it is a "well, what else is
there?", it seems like
the rational move
☟︎ phf: i can see
the education angle, and how it fails
these people, but what i'm surprised about is
the lack of personal drive? it's some kind of learned helplessness
☟︎☟︎ lobbes: From
that, feeds into all
the socialist pandering
to folx who "hey, I did xyz like you said! Why no w yet!?"
lobbes: Well, very rarely, at least, did I encounter
that. Not enough
to make me
take my 'schooling' any more seriously
than 'find path of least resistance
to fiatola pile'
lobbes: Never once did I encounter "interested in something? Here's how you could keep following
that interest"
☟︎ lobbes: From
the very start. Do xyz, for purpose of "becoming w"
phf: well, what is
that
they say, americans learn
to market
themselves as
the main skill? "how do i optimize
the roi of my career
track please". whatever happened
to "i'm
trying
to make a sploit from
this bugtraq, but my return rail is
too short, and i can't get a jump going
to proper place"???
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what spits out
that "org-src-container" class ?
phf: oh man "how do i learn assembly", you learn assembly by reading
through
the assembly output of a pirated ida pro
that you have attached
to your favorite video game, because you
trying
to figure out where
the inventory count is, duh
phf: if you're in
the first category, you're going
to be paid peanuts
to do bitch work, if you're in
the later category
then by 19 (or whatever) "how
to pentest career!1" is going
to be ~the last fucking question~ you're going
to ask a channel full of autodidacts
☟︎ phf: the
traditional
track is
that you spend your
teen years cracking video games for infinite lives,
then you move on
to defacements and other script kiddie activities, and
then eventually you have so much practical knowledge
that you can start charging people for actual useful discovery work
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:19 douchebag: mircea_popescu: I want a career as a pentester, so far I feel I'm doing pretty good in
terms of getting experience and reputation in
the community. Do you have any suggestions for ways I
that could get further on my career path?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774643 << you've been
tricked,
there's
two kinds of pentesters: "modern" ones, which are basically a security equivalent of a coder,
they are
taught how
to use nessus and metasploit effectively so
that
their parent company can charge $x for a regulatory assurance "penntesting performed, following findings communicated and addressed"
☝︎ mod6: looking for a few others
to repeat
the same kinda
testing
that I did. when we get a few more "thumbsup",
then will deed & post
to foundation site.
mod6: thanks for
taking
the
time
to make
the fix & blog about how
to repeat &
test.
mod6: phf: aha. good deal. agreed
that most machines i've ever seen have a /bin/sh, not all have a /bin/bash.
phf: afair
though,
the subset of commands
that we have in vdiff can be reduced
to portable awk (i had it working on mac os x), but i don't remember what
the necessary changes are. someone mentioned
that busybox awk fails..
☟︎ phf: well,
there's another non-portable part
there: awk i
think is really gawk, but i don't know if linux consistently provides gawk command, so on unix it ought
to be | gawk ..., but
that might (?) fail in linux
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 04:39 mod6: A last question
that I had:
The original uses /bin/bash,
the new changes include changing
the shell
to /bin/sh, is
this intended, if so, why?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774622 <<
this was left non-deliberately, but it's a safe change. safer
than having /bin/bash
there. /bin/sh is posix, so any unix is going
to have ~something~
there. on
this freebsd machine /bin/sh is a pure posix shell, while bash lives in /usr/local/bin/bash
☝︎ spyked should
take some photos next
time he goes
to
the faculty; maybe grab some docs for
the archaeologists
☟︎ spyked: yes, very! funny enough, one of
the people who worked on
that (while a student himself) became my PhD advisor. he recently showed me a contraption
that ran Basic, CP/M *and* had extensions for apple ii compatibility. (with an extra memory module? was it? I dun remember; anyway, it was soldered
to
the motherboard using a pair of wires, because no place
to stick it in. communism was harsh, but people made
the best of it)
spyked: asciilifeform, hm. I'm not familiar with
that syntax. what does ,8,1 mean?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:08 asciilifeform:
the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely
technically (
that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically.
spyked: re naggum article, "programming is both similar and different. whether you are a user or a programmer
these days is often hard
to
tell (this has good qualities
to it,
too)" <--
this user/programmer dichotomy being a direct consequence of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774116 maybe? ftr, /me started with a microcomputer and first
thing he could do with it, by nature, was program it. even if
the "program" consisted merely of LOAD ""
☝︎☟︎ lobbes: This all hinges on v, and for a n00b like me
that article is worth its weight in gold.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774737 << btw,
ty ben_vulpes for writing
this article. After I get archive .zip delivery up and running I will be
taking
time
to get my castle in order.
This will include: 1) learning 'v' 2) get a working
trb 3)
testing my damn fgs already 4) ffa chapter 1 (at least)
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2014-01-21 19:00 asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand
that needs
to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower.
that happened
to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe
two. first,
the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and
they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 douchebag: Oh yes I understand
that, I'm not really looking
to sell 0day exploits, I mean starting a security company
to provide penetration
testing services
to companies. A lot of places are required
to hire a pentester or
team of pentesters
BingoBoingo: Nervous, carried self in manner
that screamed latina holding more cash
than accustomed
to.
☟︎