BingoBoingo: skiddies or sophisticates wearing skiddie clothes for another round of probing?
ben_vulpes: now i have this image of mp sitting watching trilema logs scroll by on slow days in #b-a
BingoBoingo: I imagine MP reading these logs off of a projection onto a girl's back as she's bent over
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure gives new meaning to calling someone an asshole.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it'd be her butt and legs were she bent over
mircea_popescu: "“Expect the government to take action to bring this rate down – fast,” wrote Bianca Fernet, stilettos-on-the-ground American economist in Buenos Aires and contributor to Wolf Street. T"
mircea_popescu: On Friday, the peso recovered a smidgen, and the reported “blue dollar” rate dipped below 14 ARS/USD, after the central bank had reportedly blown $10 million of its foreign exchange reserves to prop it up. << to put this in perspective : the argentine natl bank foreign reserves went up 2.5 bn in the interval since i wrote im supporting them and the reporting cutoff for q2. (ie, early august)
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mircea_popescu: that reminds me BingoBoingo : i was gonna say i don't like curtis yarvin / mencius moldbug for the following very specific reason - he sounds exactly like a propaganda job for smart people.
mircea_popescu: ie, he admits some "outrageous" points, which gives him some credence in the eyes of the more naive intelligent folk, youngestrs mostly. he then turns around and uses this capital to consolidate the very monster he pretends to position himself against
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mircea_popescu: "This should be reason enough for anyone to avoid taking up cudgels on behalf of either."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the whole thing works, intentionally or no, as a fine work of mr o'brien. only a fucking imbecile would imagine that THAT is the book of the insurgency.
mircea_popescu: the insurgency is not derping with stupid books, the insurgency is the mob, amassing power at the bottom of the market fluxes in the utopian world.
mircea_popescu: this because back at reality ranch, the only way to win the game is to constantly attack all the way to the king. there's no prizes for having lost the game but "successfully sieged a rook".
mircea_popescu: which is the spirit behind that clause, and generally speaking the spirit behind everything that'll ever work.
dignork: mircea_popescu: he is consistent, moldbag is proposing a model of "better" government, when current one crashes, for whatever reason.
mircea_popescu: he is consistent in the sense that he doesn't want the current one to crash.
mircea_popescu: once that's on the table, the difference between yarvin and dutta is purely cosmetic.
dignork: more that he doesn't see how it can be crashed, so he stays passive
mircea_popescu: if this were the true case he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-killer-ap six weeks after it became obvious to him bitcoin is the killer ap.
dignork: He claims that democracy is self-stabilizing mud, and hence almost uncrashable
dignork: in any case, through his writings I was searching for a better model, but he forgot to provide one, so it was fun to read, but nothing more
diametric: i always love coming home to digikey boxes at my doorstep.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am astounded by that post, the structure and foundation of his argument, and his conclusions. Applying Subcontinental templates onto Us society with the readiness a programmer might call some javascript data structures to be used in python
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what i most took exception with was the inane proposition that the mob (w/.e he calls it, d something) had "no cultural insitutions"
mircea_popescu: fuck off, the only reason you can even have a decent meal in new york is the fucking mob.
mircea_popescu: as far as that lasts, if it even survived past the brahmin bloomberg.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, the relative success of b-a as compared to every other dickless-shithead run channel on freenode and beyond speaks directly to the superior cultural achievements and ability of the structured society.
BingoBoingo: Or that H and D are specifically "Blue" as though he has never been to this "Middle America"
mircea_popescu: so to come round circle, i guess he could be just incredibly fucking stupid, as dignork proposes. perhaps.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, he's a reasonably useful tool, and in a utilitarian world his idiocy does not define him as his utility does.
BingoBoingo: Maybe he works as a "convenient highlighter"
dignork: mircea_popescu: I never said he is stupid, but the proposed model is not thought through.
BingoBoingo: I've never really liked his argumentative style as he tries to put forth the grand societal argment relying on mush that seem reminiscent of Urbit "jets"
mircea_popescu: dignork de facto, in the "malicious or idiotic" dilemma you were proposing the latter.
dignork: that's an extrapolation, but a good one.
BingoBoingo: One can not build a banana republic by stacking deck chairs on the titanic.
mircea_popescu: dignork i don't consider idiocy to be any more all-encompassing than genius. one can be a chemistry genius and die of accidental exposure. one can similarly be a complete idiot in say politics and yet an accomplished farmer.
dignork: malicious vs. idiotic problem is an intersting one: when I see somebody smarter than myself, by say +3 points, i can assume that he didn't find a solution because it required +4
dignork: alternative: I assume that he is +6, because that's how smart he supposed to be to fool me...
mircea_popescu: this however is not supported by what we're discussing. when you see someone who displays the mental gymnastics required to comprehend the ffi, and then fails to resolve a problem which requires merely differential calculus
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:<asciilifeform> (what's it about in reality? real-time tracking of all meat inventory. and, with a little more magic - your car is own gasenwagen when time comes.) << they already had a pilot for this. amusingly, it was sold as an expensive ad on for luxury brands. northstar or something. << northstar was the name of a fairly awful gm v8, onstar was their tracking device
pete_dushenski: twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton
dignork: it also can be a mental barrier, for exmaple if he tries to maintain humanism, while rejecting democracy
mircea_popescu: dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion)
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> twas available on all gm vehicles and even some volkswagens, such as the phaeton << In undergrad our College's president had a phaeton as his College supplied vehicle.
dignork: for most, self preservation is above reasoning
mircea_popescu: most don't get to serve as cultural reference points. for this reason.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dignork functionally, this is idiocy (denying the fruits of reason lest they interfere with the desires of emotion) << Amazing how the Yarvins don't separate their reasoned arguments from their emotional rants
pete_dushenski: that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You write in a way that the elements of the emotional rants and reasoned arguments have clear seperations discernable to readers
mircea_popescu: i always thought the distinction is the job of the readership.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: May be because you didn't grow up on Ingles
BingoBoingo: Anyways, misdemeanor disordely case appears to have been continued. Have to get a hold of the lawyer to find out in which of the two ways, the beneficial way ot the optimally beneficial way this went.
mircea_popescu: no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output.
mircea_popescu: it's not that the us doesn';t have a great brahmin novel. it has NOTHING.
mircea_popescu: it contributed to the culture of the world less than fucking chad
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no but im seriously offended. the entire fucking pile of a century worth of chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output. << I blame Husserl and Derrida
mircea_popescu: and this schmuck has the unmitigated audacity to belittle other shit from atop of all that nonachievement ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The USian Brahmin emulate the French, for some god awful reason.
mircea_popescu: stupid ass us "brahmins" can't even take their clothes off.
mircea_popescu: they're emulating a 1844 postcard sent from paris, wisconsin.
mircea_popescu: and drawn by some out of work industrial sketcher dude.
BingoBoingo: The USian brahamin could have done great if they would have let James starve when the dumpsters ran out of food and instead elevated Peirce
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo even leaving that scandal aside, consider their treatment of buffett.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More their imagined sense of the french
mircea_popescu: guy comprehends more economy than the entire profession of academic economist in the history of the united states.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at least chadians dance and shit. << usians twerk
mircea_popescu: they're doing some pathetic recouping of old-and-senile buffett now, mostly predicated on denouncing as heresy his actually useful contributions, two decades prior.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking.
mircea_popescu: preferably one that doesn't look like a whale coming aground.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pete_dushenski no, that's still the chadians. show me one of these fucktarded, social sciences major chick twerking. << If I still used the Facebook thing this might be possible.
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski sadly i can't evaluate your contribution because youtube considers it dangerous for minors such as myself.
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mircea_popescu: 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.
pete_dushenski: though it's tough to know if they're white when most faces are obscured and light levels not conducive to determining skin tone
mircea_popescu: it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded,
mircea_popescu: suppose i ran for fucking congress in say south africa, on the internal conviction that upon the destruction of south africa lies my prosperity.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: he wouldn't have been out there trying to make a bitcoin-... << claims that he tried (and gave up, because 'can have problems') << lies. what is the urbit thing ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel?
pete_dushenski: also, if anyone has restaurant recommendations for latvia+estonia, apply within
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he has phobias. << Some people come to Bitcoin out of their technical knowledge. Some people like myself come because crazy. A Yarvin beats around the bushes because of an uncomfortable median?
mircea_popescu: so you smell... rotten cum, as a passing waft. you figure... whatever, my mind's brokt. then you smell it again. eventually you tear the whole house upside down, nothing nowhere. to eventually find it comes from.... an older avocado.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> chomskis and whatnot "brahmins" has produced exactly 0 cultural output >> does an arsonist contribute to a city ? << Oftentimes. StL Brick theives have contributed tremendously to Atlanta suburbs, and Florida.
mircea_popescu: and no, an arsonist isn't a contributor, nor chomski much of an arsonist at all.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> that convinced me they were too fragile and i ended up with a 350z for a few years << how was it? >? new subies?
mircea_popescu: where's the "we can't do this because buffett says it's stupid" policy discussion ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buffett's nobel prize >> might wanna check out what happened to nobel prize in past 50y or so << Maybe the point of fiat and inflation was to turn the Nobel reward into a "blue ribbon" at the science fair
BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed to his VAN pool, you know the /. traffic is big 24 hours tapers next 24 and returns to "normal" day 3 if previous experiences are informative
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the 350z was a better highway car by far. effortless 6th gear hauling. fit 2 sets of golf clubs.
BingoBoingo: I still miss my bright red Grand Am with the sound system
pete_dushenski: of course, in the winter, the subie is better at everything as the 350 is parked.
kakobrekla: dunno if xapo does much more than send out spam
BingoBoingo: Grand Am was great on the gravel roads and the freeway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't/didn't eat them in the states. but here they're pretty great
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, this was a late 90's one. Had exactly all the performance I could want or handle out of a car
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement
mircea_popescu: "brahmin" culture : how to be shockingly fucktarded for no apparent reason.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform see, why not go the whole distance, go live in a master's basement << Some homo spiens apparently idolize Procyon lotor lifestyle
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 50k in debt, social sciences degree and a history of opining in the press is the qualification.
ben_vulpes: that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school
mircea_popescu: people at the high end schools go into finance and consulting anyway.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it'd be a sad world if white chicks were all fucktarded, << we're all born so, and either have it beaten out of us or...
mircea_popescu: the average redditard dereping about women in videogames has a degree from middlesex community college.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> that's barely a single year at a nominally high-end school << It isn't any particular year, but the number of consecutive years you can stack together.
ben_vulpes: they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell vexual that's wonderful that you *can* now *may* you recommend some restaurants in syd/mel? << *would*
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> they bill the same for choose your own adventure degrees << I tried to do this and major in "reality studies" a combination of mathematics and philosophy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Through much of my childhood I though winning was getting a cabin in the woods and simply abiding.
BingoBoingo: But then you get a taste of fuck and shit ain't that simple no more
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was but a larva, I merely wanted to exist with a minimum of external human dependent inputs and persist to a natural end.
diametric: asciilifeform: a bunch of molex microfit 3 connectors
diametric: so i can connectorize all my things
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diametric: i try to wait until i have a ton of things i want.
diametric: but i ran out of connectors a while ago and i have a few 3d printers i want to throw connectors on the tool heads so I can switch out various hotends for testing.
diametric: yeah, i don't want those for these
diametric: that would be cool to do on my delta though.
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decimation: diametric: I use those overpriced 'anderson powerpole' connectors for high-current dc power
decimation: re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities
diametric: decimation: funny enough, i've been using traxxas connectors for high-current dc myself.
decimation: diametric: I bought the custom powerpole crimp tool, so I'm stuck
decimation: at any rate, I Yarvin's model of elite whites being allied with minorities/plebes against productive people is quite obvious. The problem is that the gig is up, the elite/underclass are the clear winners
BingoBoingo: How am I supposed to finance a walk through Mexico and build a war chest by picking a cartel and selling their enemy's heads to them. MOdern Role Playing Games are a lie.
mircea_popescu: cazalla thanks, a whole world of white girls twerking lays open to me now!
BingoBoingo: Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico even if the weapon is lawfully registered in your name in the United States (or any other country of residence) and even when the weapon falls under the types and calibers permitted for civilian ownership in Mexico. Unless the bearer has explicit authorization from the Secretariat of National Defense, it is illegal and punishable by law to enter Mexican territory with
BingoBoingo: any firearm as well as to keep and carry any firearm on your person or vehicle at any time, anywhere. These permits cannot be obtained at Mexican customs and immigration when entering Mexico. They must be obtained in advance and in possession of the bearer before any gun enters Mexico. Once entering Mexico with a gun without previous authorization from the Mexican government, a crime has been committed.[36]""
decimation: diametric: how much do those cost?? they look expensive
BingoBoingo: This just means an innocent backpacker must pick a cartel sooner to survive to guatemala
diametric: decimation: cheap when you but the chinese knockoffs that in my experience are the same quality.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ars has dealers outside the capitol city though
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mexico has exactly 1 retailer, equivalent of a red state ABV store
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Alcoholic Beverage Commision, red state relic in red states without viable businesses
diametric: most of my high amp stuff is RC related, and usually only burst up above 100 amps at any given time
decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap
diametric: though, I think my days of flying RC stuff are over. the only place i had time to do it at put up a massive fence that prevents me from retrieving my aircraft when it crashes over the field.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: have ye heard tell of the OLCC?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> re: yarvin's OV-BDH model: I'm not so sure the mob would count as Dalit, I was thinking more underclass non-black minorities << why not ?
mircea_popescu: power, money and a disinterest in "theory" as pencilnecks misrepresent it.
BingoBoingo: Imma trying to remember a lot of abreviations
decimation: mircea_popescu: Italians generally have become 'integrated' to the degree that they are no longer looked upon as minorities
ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon
diametric: asciilifeform: maybe if i was pro at flying.
decimation: no doubt actual mobsters have plenty of friends in the underclasses
decimation: USG isn't pleased with flying robots either
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. costa rica exit checks made an older french woman throw away her clearly rare & expensive cream. i put the thing right on top of the pile, explained to the guy it's got no clip. the guy was "a ok, if it has no clip..." waved me through. woman's
mircea_popescu: decimation i dun see this entire racialist angle. it either is one thing or the other.
mircea_popescu: now mind, i wouldn't recommend anyone try it just like that.
decimation: mircea_popescu: Here's my confusion. Yarvin would call a USG-funded professor a "brahmin", but said professor is a parasite on society, in a manner that is much more harmful than your average urban poor folk.
ben_vulpes: the rules for firearm handling at us airports are pretty cut-and-dried.
decimation: is professor a criminal or part of the overclass?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << wut ?!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: phun phact. in usa, the popular 'm16/ar' rifle is not legally 'arms' if it is missing the little aluminum part that holds the clip and trigger mechanism. << According to US definitions that part IS the rifle
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> is professor a criminal or part of the overclass? << to be a criminal he'd have to commit a crime. what's the crime here ?
decimation: robbing said urban poor folk to propagandize their children
mircea_popescu: um. you're playing too fast and kinda loose with the definitions.
mircea_popescu: what's next, capitalist profit = robbery of the workers ?
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cazalla: he'll step down if i request it lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The GAW thing smells so much of scam and marketing Y as X
decimation: mircea_popescu: I would ceratianly agree that whatever one wants to label "brahmin culture" in the us, it hasn't contributed much to global human capital
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BingoBoingo: Went from being promising to scamsite so fast that one did
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decimation: asciilifeform: no word on whether selling a cardboard cutout version would be similiarly banned
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ben_vulpes: hook from the latter "i guess that cunt gettin' eatin"
ben_vulpes: of fucking course bingo, the latter is black and makes better music
mircea_popescu: decimation that for one thing. for the other, the only way to read yarvin's definition outside of "the mob" would require absolute midwestern innocence of the mob
decimation: asciilifeform: it's amusing to what degree folks are willing to comply with plainly idiotic usg regulations
mircea_popescu: as an ~urban~ institution mind you. it has nothing to do with italians, other than in the sense italians were at the time the most urban ethnic group in the us
decimation is innocent of the mob, in a midwestern way
ben_vulpes: i got my first negrating this month guys
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's this fresh danielpbarron drama BigBitz ? << My best impression is he is trying to WoT up a bunch of local acquaintances and... old tensions and dramas come forth, but I lack context to interpret severity...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why stuff like 1984 are so good. the fuckwit hero actually believes that o'brien is the guy to go to for the secret book.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it is rarely the case that one walks around the city finding things labeled 'mob'
mircea_popescu: i would suspect it much depends on what you mean by "one".
mircea_popescu: it's not that when i ran into the local mobsters i immediately knew. it's that they ALSO figured it out within five minutes.
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mircea_popescu: the same argument could be made by a blonde twerking ditz going "it's not that she ever ran into anything labeled physics"
decimation: asciilifeform: I find it amusing that folks with retirement accounts work so hard to 'shelter' them from taxation under the latest rules, as if usg would allow one to accumulate wealth without taking it
decimation: the latest deal is 'roth' - the deal being that if you pay taxes now, usg promises never to tax your earnings on that money again
decimation: I find this to be as likely as darth vader abiding by his verbal contract
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : i find it amusing that folks in a quarrel with the government hire government agents to "defend" them at significant expense.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate
decimation: mircea_popescu: my experience is that most fleecing of the taxpayers takes place by former gov't employees
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell ognasty do stop in to the channel of record and explain how i'm abusing the WoT rating system.
decimation: USG doesn't allow gov't employees to have free meals or more than $20 per year in gifts from potential 'business' contacts
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decimation: it is well known that the way to 'game' this system is to provide very favorable business terms to a large company, who will hire you after you 'retire' for a very large salary
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mircea_popescu: decimation "scam" only inasmuch as boeing is tbtf anyway, so without this scam it'd have had to be a different scam.
mircea_popescu: but having someone to scapegoat is always the preferred avenue. poor abakumov.
mircea_popescu: "how dares this lowly individual give boeing money we'd have given it anyway"
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's how I read it. the taxpayers "needed" to give that money away, and plenty of 'legitimate' boeing execs will get golden parachutes, etc.
decimation: ben_vulpes: you mean how did they get her to talk?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm now playing The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill loud enough for the bums outside the warehouse to hear
ben_vulpes: landlord of record has 2? 3? kw of sound equipment for my pleasure.
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decimation: "According to her plea agreement, Druyun contacted Sears four years ago and asked if he could arrange a Boeing job for her daughter's then-boyfriend, Michael McKee. McKee was "immediately contracted" by Sears and began working at Boeing in September 2000, the document shows."
ben_vulpes: i can't wrap my head around how these people would give dryuns kids jobs and not see this coming ten miles away
ben_vulpes: i figure this is related to why i can't make any money scamming "nobody will ever fall for that!"
decimation: ben_vulpes: in the world of ex-gov't employees collecting their post-employment paychecks, this was a pretty stupid case
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever listened to the album in question?
ben_vulpes: do you understand black american music as sung/read/rapped?
ben_vulpes: the gypsy dubstep fusion is about as close as it gets right now
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mircea_popescu: yes, on a first listen. but i'm culturally rigid enough to generally regard the entire thing as you know... little more than children babbling.
mircea_popescu: "o look how cute, he could almost say compunction in spite of his oversized lips"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats antique is sort of in the genre of mention
decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years?
mircea_popescu: decimation the white hierarchy supporting society collapsed ?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << CIA corruption
mircea_popescu: how does the french underground go from rengaine to "Irreversible" ?
mircea_popescu: (if you've not seen that film btw... you might have to. possibly worst film ever made + 10 minutes of monica belucci being raped in the dirt)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but anyway, the point was that inasmuch as she's not published her cunt her education is quite appalingly poor.
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decimation: "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII
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BingoBoingo: <decimation> "white hierarchy collapsed" << seems legit. I blame complacency & wealth that came after the destruction of WWII << ALso the decades of persistent paranoia through the cold war
mircea_popescu: there's no strength to be had among people whose history isn't thus described.
decimation: re: cold war paranoia: in retrospect, I think the paranoia was for midwestern kulaks, the elites were all "anti-"communists, in the sense that they thought that the soviet union wasn't "real" communism. Those elites didn't mind sending said kulaks to die in various foreign adventures though.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The paranoia shapes the discourse though, as well as the range of possible public discourse. A the end of the Cold War the Soviet block got to purge that, but the "West" had to redirect it to prop their system up.
BingoBoingo: The US government won by persisting, Eastern Bloc People qon by quitting the conflict.
decimation: BingoBoingo: agreed. The same "anti-"communists now hate Putin because he represents everything they hated about Soviet fascism. This is why usg has such an irrational policy vis-a-vie Russia
BingoBoingo: It's also why the War on Drugs got all of the Military and Propaganda department support in 1992, and why the enshrinement of 9/11 so rapidly took little time.
BingoBoingo: Were there really that much of a backstock of American Flag Lapel pins just waiting for such a crisis?
decimation: absolutely, the cold war defense complex was aimlessly looking for a 'mission'
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "fascist" in this context?
ben_vulpes: decimation: now normalize it against m3 ;)
ben_vulpes: no gold's bullshit as an index due to its captivity in government vaults and its absurd inflation via notes
BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies
ben_vulpes: i'll let you know if i ever figure it out
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: best as i can tell, my business' sole selling point is "we're not fucking retarded and won't flake on you as soon as something more shiny comes along"
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'm approaching this problem though as someone dropping into a culture as a full time n00b
ben_vulpes: with a heavy dose of "also we can handle with a fair degree of politeness anyone in your business who feels compelled to comment on the quality of our work"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, socialism is the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the individual will be resolved by the group.
mircea_popescu: fascism is exactly the opposite : the misguided expectation/belief that the problems of the group will be resolved by an individual.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: for the poor student - what is a real economy? << One that doesn't resemble the dating environment in a prison
mircea_popescu: hint : the group doesn't actually exist, not in any way meaningful on the plane where the individuals do. consequently, both these come up with pretty contorted and quickly insane misrepresentations of the group
decimation: yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what distinguishes 'socialism' from 'communism'?
BingoBoingo: decimation> yes, it's useful anyway. By that definition, the usg 'anti-communists' I mentioned above are quite simply socialists with a beef against the soviets << I dunno any other explanation for Patton's political positions.
ben_vulpes: i mean i have no clue. perhaps communism is just a thing that the us progpagandacrats came up with to point at to distract the proles from that as what was going on on the daily at home
mircea_popescu: it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ?
ben_vulpes: in the "socialize the losses, privitize the gains"?
ben_vulpes: on a radically different topic (if nobody minds), when miscellaneous computerboxen tell me "falling back to teletype" is that a reference to the Teletype Corporation of the thirties?
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why union of SOCIALIST republics / chinese COMMUNIST party.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's like, what's the difference between phase 2 and phase 4 lymphoma ? << The chance of addessing the problem completely with a knife and some anti-folates?
decimation: heh, no teletype is an old-school method of transmitting ascii/baudot from a computer/remote station to your 'terminal'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work.
decimation: terminal being in this case a kind of typewriter that can be remotely controlled
ben_vulpes: is this one of those "tar" -> "tape archive" things?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah, i figured tty was involved but what does that first 't' stand for?
assbot: Teleprinter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: teletype, which...ancient transmission of text hardware?
ben_vulpes: lol decimation i have that precise url open right now already
ben_vulpes: there's like 80 years of decisions in this thing.
decimation: traditionally one uses frequency-shift keying over radio to send these characters, using a restricted character set
ben_vulpes: my mother once wrote her articles on a 4 line typewriter-cum-puter thing
ben_vulpes: there were 4 lines of lcd (or maybe only 2, i was a wee one at the time) and then transmitted them to the poo-snaper via fax iirc
decimation: this is what the german wwii enciphered RTTY machines looked like:
assbot: FISH and the Jellyfish Convoy - TICOM Archive
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo inasmuch as you know that there's a phase 4, you also know your addressing didn't work. << You know sometimes this works a la Dallas. Sometimes this doesn't like Dennis Rodman.
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decimation: 26 letters + 10 numbers = 36, which is 4 more than 2^5, unfortunately. so there were many schemes for attempting to 'squeeze' 36 (plus control chars) into 5 bits
ben_vulpes: i can't even imagine a world in which bits are expensive
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decimation: ben_vulpes: I can. see ascii's blockchain teleprinter
decimation: asciilifeform: it is amusing to watch Russia call the west's bluff on this matter
decimation: obviously Putin et.al. are convinced that any western opposition is going to be weak and divided. I suspect he even has tacit approval from Germany
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I skipped over ITA2
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assbot: Orgia studenteasca pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: asciilifeform: or try bouncing some bits off the moon
decimation: asciilifeform: as in machining a plate carrying said bits, or the bits required to control the machine?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea that there's more than one peoples reading romanian encourages me. im writing a large piece now and ima link a ton of good romanian material, all quite relevant and i imagine a lot moire instructive to teh english native than the romanian.
decimation: asciilifeform: Taleb would say that some bit redundancy is probably a good idea
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's how this international thing works in its actually useful incarnations.
BingoBoingo: To most Norte Americanos even UK English is as foreign to them as any Romance Language as the vocaulary on its own is an insurmountable barrier even before approaching grammar
assbot: VLF transmitter DHO38 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: decoding the enciphered stream is an exercise for the interested reader :)
assbot: Orgia studenteasca pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Multi-hop whistler-mode ELF/VLF signals and triggered emissions excited by the HAARP HF heater | Stanford VLF Group
assbot: HAARP Facility Shuts Down
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ was used at least as much for academwankage as for any military purpose. << Academewagen
decimation: "HAARP put the world on notice two years ago that it would be shutting down and did not submit a budget request for FY 15, Keeney said, “but no one paid any attention.” Now, he says, they’re complaining. “People came unglued,” Keeney said, noting that he’s already had inquiries from Congress. Universities that depended upon HAARP research grants also are upset, he said."
decimation: "we deserve free money in exchange for derp"
decimation: perhaps said Congressmen could find a few hundred welfare recipients of various kinds to give up their benefits for ionospheric research
decimation: of course I would rank haarp research far above most social science derpage, at least they are building stuff, trying ideas
decimation: like all gov't programs, nothing ever dies
decimation: the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day
decimation: the ionosphere is a worthy research target, I'm just not sure a giant HF transmitter will help much in unraveling its secrets
decimation: it's just too bad that batteries are so terrible
decimation: yeah it's hard to get much more 'nano' than ripping apart hydrocarbons for energy
decimation: I once spoke with an ee prof who explained that he had to justify his error correction/information theory research in terms of helping poor minorities
decimation: one wonders about the brain-damaged minions employed by usg to oversee such things
decimation: or take a well-paid sinecure in 'industry'
mircea_popescu: <decimation> the us is too poor to afford leeches who climatederp all day << they doin';t really cost as much as all that.
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the 'street beggar' sense?
mircea_popescu: decimation suppose you meet one of them, and you really like each other.
decimation: so their cost is well distributed among the population (group)
mircea_popescu: seems to me if she can't even afford to get fucked she must be pretty damned cheap.
mircea_popescu: self-projected pretense to the contrary notwithstanding
mircea_popescu: (and for a needed counterbalance in all the "onoes pesos" derpage : argentinian hipster chick - mostly can)
decimation: I suspect half of the 'occupy' protesters were either unpaid 'interns' or students living on mommy's stipend
decimation: usg does much to encourage this notion among the masses
ben_vulpes: quit wasting precious hydrocarbons ffs
decimation: definitely, it's easy to find 'car bums'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a transition in the lifecycle
decimation: there is something deeply weird about the average usian's compunction to get in a car to go 1/2 mile
decimation: like, the entire population is ready for some weird road warrior future maybe?
decimation: heh that was a terrible movie, vague remember that part.
decimation: I remember when that movie came out it was big news how terrible it was
decimation: somehow all the terrible movies today don't make the same news
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decimation: at least 80% of the movies on that list are turds. goes to show that money doesn't buy shit in hollywood
assbot: How Marvel Became the Envy (and Scourge) of Hollywood
decimation: "Then came one of the most spectacular eight-film runs in history, with a combined gross of $6.1 billion for Marvel Studios movies. But the 71-year-old Perlmutter hasn't mellowed. Under his tightfisted management, Marvel has become one of the most admired, envied and, in some quarters, resented entertainment companies. The 300-employee outfit has thrived despite insistence on ever-stricter creative controls and a reputation for
decimation: extreme cheapness that strikes many accustomed to old-school industry dealings as disrespectful."
decimation: asciilifeform: the purpose being to attract more bezzle funding?
decimation: which would partially explain why the midwestern kulaks flock to silicon valley to pay to work for google et. al.
decimation: "Perlmutter is not featured on Disney's website (conversely, the heads of its Pixar and Lucasfilm divisions are), but he has shown no sign of relaxing on fiscal control simply because Marvel has become part of a big conglomerate. "
assbot: Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church
decimation: Taleb would probably say that being cheap is antifragile, the less you spend the lower your risk and the more likely random events will pay off
decimation: asciilifeform: it's a good theory, but it pretty much goes along the lines of "you go to harvard so you can be roommates with the billionaires' son"
decimation: he was in some ways fortunate to end up in the hanoi hilton
decimation: unsurprising given his obviously random & hotheaded nature
decimation: "Their [VC's] ability to coast, and to fund suboptimal founders, rests on the fact that no one is paying attention to whether they do their jobs well, the assumption being that we (technologists) will stay on their manor, passively keeping our heads down and saying, “politics is someone else’s job; I just want to solve hard problems.”"
decimation: asciilifeform: I hadn't heard that one, hilarious
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decimation: groomers rake in bank over the hype and then move on...
decimation: oh I misread the wiki article, mccain's plane was the probable 'victim'
decimation: asciilifeform: so you are saying that the landed barons would 'ensure' that their eldest sons were worthy - or fail to inherit?
mircea_popescu: *BingoBoingo wonders as a lifelong USian what professions might exist in actual economies <<< here's one. while sitting idly after a dinner of delicious empanadas, i did the math with the girls. the profit selling them in the street (like people do)'d have been 5 to 10 pesos a pop. any one of them could have easily cleared 2-3-5k pesos a day, more than enough to live by.
mircea_popescu: there's no "profession" in the real world, just skill ability and utility.
decimation: asciilifeform: no, and all of the documentaries I've seen on the subject failed to mention his involvement
decimation: the thing is, Admiral McCain probably didn't have to issue any special instructions to 'finesse' the investigation, the investigators probably all thought it would be a brilliant plan
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's this sort of thing I've wondered about. The proverbial "hotdog stand" where a person serves good tacos al pastor or canitas in urbanity.
mircea_popescu: and the thing is, if police hassles you, which is unlikely in the first place, yo ucan just give them one
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:01:37; asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Alternate idea is rent some space and run a "business center" where the presence of a Gringo can radiate Norte Americano sitcoinness upon their internet browsing
decimation: working for the democratic police, democratic gov't, etc is always going to be a raw deal
decimation: if you actually have skills and are worth your wages, the lumpens will hate with envy. There's no one 'in charge' to decide who gets to be paid well and who gets to be fired
decimation: mircea_popescu: your point a few days ago: how much would you have to pay your enemy to help you in a time of need is apropos
decimation: asciilifeform: but microsoft only needed apple to save themselves from usg's monopoly busting agencies
decimation: I suspect much of the upper dod management are 'old sovietologists'
decimation: they were the least likely to find a 'job' in industry
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo doubt that'll work. << If anything seems like it has greater capitol requirements and a lesser return than slinging carnitas
decimation: like haarp, the ussr provided a ready excuse for all kinds of usg spending
decimation: yeah me too, but that's an interesting thought, and I think it is visible with this ukraine business
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 13:50:52; mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine
pete_dushenski: that card had been played before, and it had worked before
pete_dushenski: it's like i'm becoming a man or something. feels good.
pete_dushenski: decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << now it's all skinny jeans, flanel shirts, piercings, tats, and drinking from mason jars
decimation: pete_dushenski: which is interestingly close to 'redneck', generally the hipster's enemy
pete_dushenski: "now that mason jars are on top, now that my fellow executives and I are goddamn beverage conquistadors, we’re going to enjoy this cocaine-fueled rocket ride for as long as it lasts. I’m blasting off to fucking Mars, dicksuckers, and I’m headed straight through the belly of the goddamn sun!" - James E. Lillie, CEO, Ball Mason Jars
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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon << ontario, biggest province, has this as well. since gm and ford went to mexico this is the only thing keeping their head above water.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. << dayum. did they even check the chamber?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate << meh. i got the same shit from usagi. it's a badge of honour nao
pete_dushenski: decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << dad, is that you in there?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitcoin is a lot more fascist than stalin ever got... i guess prepare for a helluva lot o' love. << cuddles and hugs for everyone!
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danielpbarron: things and people who are useful or valuable to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates) << this is not a very good explanation.
mircea_popescu: the better explanation is that continental bureaucracy went from inept to able, and so the charles that once was content to just fuck the best whores in venice as a prize for his winnings
mircea_popescu: soon decided he wants to administer the place instead.
Beyond_Bitcoin: essentially it is a platform for low barrier to setting up/attending virtual event
pete_dushenski: Beyond_Bitcoin: the barrier to entry isn't as low as it used to be
pete_dushenski: #b-a now employs the +v model whereby you have to have a gpg registered identity and a rating from someone already in the club
TheNewDeal: that's fluffypony's email << priceless
Beyond_Bitcoin: we have a Mumble server setup so anyone can set up their own dev hangouts, meetups and other events...invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas? <<< maybe. who's to know.
Beyond_Bitcoin: actually not bad. i personally focus on bitshares but the server is open to others who like different tech
Beyond_Bitcoin: actually bitshares itself is far better than most people think
assbot: /hashtag/BitsharesX?src=hash is proof that cryptocurrency developers have no grasp of basic economics.I'm kinda embarrassed for Larimer.
BingoBoingo: Why all of this making logs when Imma trying to read Trilema?
Beyond_Bitcoin: with that said, if you look at cryptocurrencies as towns...bitcoin is one of the only ones with any semblance of infrastructure that accepts it.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a i do not. i only ask because de maistre came up in britannica's articles on fascism.
Beyond_Bitcoin: sure there are a few coins that have a few interesting ways of paying for stuff, but all altcoins are relatively "ghost towns"
Beyond_Bitcoin: reallly have no reason to be valuable because they cannot really be easily transferred for services of value.
mircea_popescu: <Beyond_Bitcoin> invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances <<< so was there an actual journalist ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i guess now ima have to fill this hole.
Beyond_Bitcoin: damn man...that is kind of tough. almost like diane feinstein saying "bloggers aren't journalists and shouldn't have 1st amendment protections"
mircea_popescu: i don't recall all the others. this chick stuck because she was uniquely sensible.
pete_dushenski: "Maistre, writing in The St. Petersburg Dialogues that 'all power, all subordination rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world, and the very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple, and society disappears.'"
pete_dushenski: "De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu he seems a bit on the religious and bloody side
mircea_popescu: Beyond_Bitcoin it pretty much is a bitcoin classic yeah.
Beyond_Bitcoin: you guys really should consider stopping by the mumble
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin rift guild had a mumble, nobody really used it.
Beyond_Bitcoin: We'll be bringing on the dev from the FollowmyVote DAC that is soon to be launched
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Remember the journalist that quit forbes and annoys congressmen nao? What was her nick? I remember her name was Boring.
pete_dushenski: she's speaking alongside krawisz at some upcoming disneyland "conference"
pete_dushenski: "In 1926 Taittinger declared that the primary goal of his Patriotic Youth was to “defeat the progress of communism by any means necessary,” adding that “We defend the hierarchy of classes.…Everyone knows that there will always be different social levels, the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, the governing and the governed.”"
pete_dushenski: in addition to his youth group, french pete also ran a little champagne bizniz
pete_dushenski: a champagne brand that lives to this day and was, get this, the "official champagne of the 2014 fifa world cup"
assbot: Taittinger - Official Champagne of the 2014 FIFA WORLD CUP
pete_dushenski: just found a bottle NV Taittinger Brut Reserve: 40% Chardonnay, 35% Pinot Noir, 25% Pinot Meunier by my place for $55
pete_dushenski: "Although circumstances sometimes made accommodation to political liberalism necessary, fascists condemned this doctrine for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state."
pete_dushenski: not sure that i see bitcoin following this bit of "fascist doctrine"
pete_dushenski: "Fascist propagandists also attacked cultural liberalism, claiming that it encouraged moral relativism, godless materialism, and selfish individualism and thereby undermined traditional morality."
pete_dushenski: that is, their label rather than their utility and ability
pete_dushenski: but maybe there's a flexible and subtle enough label out there for our little world eater
assbot: fascism (politics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica
pete_dushenski: ya i'm just getting into it but it's a big thing to lug to latvia and estonia so i'll have to put it down for a few weeks
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes Live From 504 is probably my all-time fave ;D
assbot: Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs : Bitcoin
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RagnarDanneskjol: yea, btcd is the shit. only real work being done in bitcoin. i forked the day they published last year - prompted me to learn golang, which is also the shit
assbot: Bitcoin might become money, says Tax Office
cazalla: unless zhou and tradefortress stole that many
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mircea_popescu: "Investment banks don't like people acting in ways that make them look bad. Image is everything when your customers are rich elites. The antagonism going on with the Conformal team is not maximizing the dollar value they are being paid to do work. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done.
mircea_popescu: Since Conformal doesn't act this way, either they have a like-minded funder who enjoys watching strife, or their funder doesn't know how badly they're behaving."
fluffypony: this whole thing has barrelled into such aggression and anger
fluffypony: and all because of Mike having a Hearn-ia
mircea_popescu: because gavin not listening to what i told him to do when i told him to do it.
mircea_popescu: people have this idiotic attide whereby "whatever, i do what i want"
fluffypony: Gavin is very busy dressing up like a mad scientist to accept awards on behalf of Satoshi Nakamoto
fluffypony: because that's funny, right guise? guise?
mircea_popescu: then six months down the road let's wonder why the asshole's stretched and there's no path back to innocence.
mircea_popescu: karpeles was too busy to obey too, there's a never ending string.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I can actually see you in a robe and wizard hat standing on a bridge going "YOU SHALL NOT PASS"
fluffypony: nubbins needs to make that into a t-shirt
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Core devs behaving badly does not preclude the Conformal team behaving badly. This is not a binary condition.
mircea_popescu: when in shit, much more important than finding saints, is steadily applying nooses to the worst behaved.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not a bitcoin core dev. Are you saying *I* specifically am behaving badly, or are you using me as a bitcoin core rep to make comments about them?
midnightmagic: 00:44 <+mircea_popescu> omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are.
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mircea_popescu: i had no idea it's yours, but at issue is the nonsensical "k. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done"
midnightmagic: It works. When teams can't work directly together, as in NetBSD and OpenBSD, the two teams can cooperate very effectively as separate teams.
mircea_popescu: it only works in environments other people maintain for your benefit.
mircea_popescu: it does not work in environments which have to self-maintain, especially not against significantly hostile pressure.
midnightmagic: And yet I just pointed out an counter-example to your assertion.
mircea_popescu: look at what exactly happened in openbsd once the teeth of the nsa stooges were felt.
mircea_popescu: de raadt kicked all the misbehaving doods to the curb.
midnightmagic: No, they excised themselves and left deRaadt holding the bag.
mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to continue livng in your imaginary blind kitten fantasyland. you're too old to be particularly useful in any political sense anyway.
mircea_popescu: just, don't be amazed that nobody with actual involvement cares for your nonsense.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you know that scammy site is in google news, such a joke
mircea_popescu: once we've hung dutta, hearn and so forth and the bitcoin republic is well established, if you're still alive, you can come back and teach at the university or w/e you can do.
cazalla: fluffypony, that too but i am referring to cryptocoinsnews
midnightmagic: Hush now, that silliness doesn't work on me tonight. What do you care what I say about Conformal?
mircea_popescu: i don't. i care enough about the perniciously castrated "o noes, don't argue boys, cocksuckers getr more done" to point out it doesn't belong in bitcoin, or generally among grown-ups.
midnightmagic: Really all you're telling me is when I mention an inconvenient truth it bothers you. You know I'm right. Regardless of whether you think I matter or not.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it's all the rage at the mahjongg club, but again, to exist that retirement house in florida needs a lot of externalities in place.
midnightmagic: ehh, don't feel like arguing anymore. Enough, enough.. I'll stop.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'm less concerned about the news site than the product they are shilling
cazalla: scammers gon' scam but it's easier with enablers like ccn
jurov: BingoBoingo wonders how long Coinroll contributed << it's set till september 1
BingoBoingo: jurov: Cool, I'll try to get something new up in the next 12 hours to try to lure more people.
mircea_popescu: interesting, who knew ads have a motivational function for the publisher.
pankkake: I suppose since the ads are per site, I can't have an account for a bunch of sites? it wouldn't make sense for advertisers anyway…
punkman: mircea_popescu: no idea, but I like that I trolled him twice with "o hey sent money to address I already had"
punkman: he wanted my BTC too, but told him both time I didn't have any
punkman: not enough lulz ROI in any case. next time I'm ignoring
pankkake: maybe create a blog "scamming scammers"?
pankkake: I know, I've read some hilarious ones
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punkman: I only gave him $100 so meh
punkman: but my new rule is to avoid anyone with reputation on btcjam
pankkake: ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
pankkake: ;;rate punkman 1 scams scammers
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
punkman: I totally failed at scamming them
punkman: ;;rate gawzirabaws -10 took my money and stopped responding. owes me 0.2 BTC. has 30 BTC outstanding on btcjam
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gawzirabaws has changed from -1 to -10.
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punkman: (dude's paypal led to that dominatrix)
punkman: or maybe he's just very commited to paying her bills
punkman: the worst is all the otc people going "gawzirabaws iz a scammer? no wai!"
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TomServo: I was recently asked if I had any examples of economists that have 'jumped ship' to bitcoin and didn't readily have any. Do you folks know some?
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danielpbarron: TomServo, Peter Schiff, perhaps.. but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "jumped ship to bitcoin"
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1986 @ 0.00063248 = 1.2561 BTC [-] {14}
pankkake: "I prefer test-to-fail instead of test-to-pass type development" :)
TomServo: danielpbarron: Not a bad example I suppose. Hard to relay the context in which it was asked..closest I can come to is: Was previously balls deep in the bezzel economy and rejecting of bitcoin and has since 'saw the light', as it were.
pankkake: I should read the great masters/elders
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TomServo: I was _not_ expecting those two MP comments to be approved.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, how come you order on amazon.com and not amazon.fr ?
pankkake: I don't, I just took the first google result
kakobrekla: sometimes its totally worth checking com/uk/de/fr
kakobrekla: but you need to go to the last step, each time.
pankkake: I have a browser extension that does that
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kakobrekla: btw does theat shop ASSistant take shipping into account
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pankkake: Apparently Calibre can convert it for my reader!
pankkake: I should read Knuth too, but I might not have enough of one life
pankkake: lol, that must be such fun to read. I think I'll buy the book ;)
pankkake: I have a rather standard e-ink device
pankkake: well that's why there's Calibre, it should convert it to another format
thestringpuller: okay I will be stashing paper wallets at dragon con in a scavenger hunt. you guys think 0.01 per paper wallet is cool?
pankkake: why not. just fill them early enough so the tx fee won't be too high
pankkake: oh, that's nice. I was expecting some blurry image as a result
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "it's going down it's going down like there's a whale in the boat"
ben_vulpes: ;;late tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"
gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"
ben_vulpes: i derped a feed together for cascadianhacker.com
assbot: missives from the post-megastate frontier
ben_vulpes: van is a flawless crystal of tests tho
pankkake: ok, I updated the URL + your nick
pankkake: you're not ashamed of that .php? :p
pankkake: I didn't think the links would change
kakobrekla: these book readers you keep talking about, which is the one to get atm
pankkake: the sony ones looked interesting, but they are stopping making them
pankkake: I have a Kobo, it's nice enough, and reads epub
ben_vulpes: <pankkake> you're not ashamed of that .php? :p << not my service
ben_vulpes: they also emailed me my password in plaintext
ben_vulpes: never mind pankkake. sorry to bother everyone.
pankkake: the /./ is rewritten as / by most software, but I'm not doing any special processing to the url
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: i use a kindle, would like a kindle dx.
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2014 20:28:18; asciilifeform: 1btc for the motherland.
kakobrekla: yeah i think ill have to cover for that in the end. :)
kakobrekla: ascii you have a kindle or like seven different readers?
thestringpuller: is this what old people feel like. "new tech!?!?!?" "no that's been out for a year" "oh."
ben_vulpes: world keeps moving forwards while you're playing at being a dragon, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: The world keeps moving forward while I hack in vi which is older than all of us except mircea_popescu
assbot: Pallas Cat Kittens -- 5 months old pt1 - YouTube
kakobrekla: ba failed to provide for the receptionist.
ben_vulpes: bitcoins now vs bitcoins later i guess
TomServo: danielpbarron: your drama is lulzy
danielpbarron: it's actually really boring; it just looks interesting from the few public fragments
TomServo: Ah - just got a chuckle out of that last rating.
assbot: where'd this come from. - Imgur
TomServo: The truth is finally revealed!
punkman: asciilifeform: is the cardano late because you can't figure out how to backdoor it?
kakobrekla: cardano backdoor? its that nsa pens fault.
punkman: did you check the pen for backdoors?
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: i have vi aliased to vim. but the underlying of vim (vi) is old
assbot: The “Worthless Currency Exchange” at Burning Man’s Camp Bitcoin | Re/code
BingoBoingo: Well, that's kind of the point of the horse head. Khartoum was a very expensive horse.
BingoBoingo: Wouldn't have the same impact if it were a glue horse.
punkman: "“The Bitcoin leader was arrested right before Burning Man ’cause he was maybe helping the FBI, and … Anyway, we’re the Dogecoin Camp now,” "
assbot: How Burning Man's Camp Bitcoin Became Camp Dogecoin
TomServo: Lachance’s web page about the camp lists only three rules, and one is: “Dogecoin must be pronounced ‘dogh-gee-coin’, not ‘dohj-coin’.”
TomServo: Well at least they got that going for them.
assbot: BTCTrip - One for All, All for One!
kakobrekla: taaki also does not fail to mention the word.
TomServo: "After coding Bitcoin, I fly with btctrip. -Satoshi" sad
TheNewDeal: Satoshi's position was labeled "cryptocurrency prophet"
TomServo wonders what the 3 musketeers saying has to do with anything.
devthedev: Is anyone in possession of a Trezor?
devthedev: I'm having trouble with the mytrezor site
gribble: User 'slush', with keyid 71D5C7F995DA2743, fingerprint 79BE846DC805C820FAD332CA71D5C7F995DA2743, and bitcoin address 1NQZT6jh3igPBME7T4ujejZGxdbjMub9DE, registered on Mon Apr 11 19:49:01 2011, last authed on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=slush . Currently not authenticated.
jurov: asciilifeform i have no idea how to pry it open.. maybe it'll go better with platic version
jurov: hmm, mytrezor site does not react to clicks
assbot: Hardware — TREZOR Technical Manual 1.0 documentation
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jurov: if i come around a scope, what am i to look for?
jurov: well, they will be like "of course don't use with untrusted cables"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00060947 = 0.6095 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00085271 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: actually I think a 5 year old could understand the wiki article
thestringpuller: so basically you're attempting to hack the trezor via DPA?
kakobrekla: ill donate you a trezor if you want to attack it
jurov: Last 6 lines unbashed.
ben_vulpes: so here's an interesting interpersonal situation
ben_vulpes: there's client a, hosting company b, and consultants c
ben_vulpes: client brings in consultants to look at their security, and consultants ask for shell access to the server on which client sites are running. hosting company b flat declines consultants access to hardware.
ben_vulpes: assume that client a has the most cash flowing through the box by 2 orders of magnitude. is hosting company b's behavior reasonable?
ben_vulpes: keep in mind this is a wp hosting company using plesk.
jurov: did the client buy shell access? no? case dismissed.
ben_vulpes: twist: wherever consultant suggests hosting move, that's where hosting will move.
ben_vulpes: but i see where you're coming from, jurov.
jurov: well.. that's fate of any company without admin capable to build stuff on bare metal
BingoBoingo: So my phone just got a bunch of MMS messages from phone numbers in Chicago which are registed as "landlines"
kakobrekla: (its what i use instead of 'nsa' for not to raise suspicion)
jurov: the messages were empty?
jurov: or you did not dare open?
BingoBoingo: Or to raise better kinds of suspicion. So you get a space ship instead of a phone
BingoBoingo: Even though I already treat the phone as tainted by design
BingoBoingo: So this is really odd. The messages are fucking pictures of text. It's like these fuckers are texting over van-ads. What the fuck.
BingoBoingo: It reads like some teachers gossiping about their students.
BingoBoingo: Already been deleted. If the FBI wants to investigate a FERPA violation they can check my phone records, like they probably already are doing and check out those 630 phone numbers
BingoBoingo: 630 being the area code and not the number of messages.
assbot: Citi: Miners and Merchants Are Keeping Bitcoin Prices Low
gribble: Error: "bc,halfreward" is not a valid command.
assbot: "A Man Of Many Perversions" Federal Cybersecurity Head Convicted Of Child Porn Charges | Zero Hedge
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Aug 6 05:47:51 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 48 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
BingoBoingo: Fucking 20% diff increases, going to make the halving cum early
jurov: 20% means max. 4 months earlier
jurov: it does not compund. it just means every period is 20% shorter.
jurov: obv they don't count with 20% increases
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 707*86400/((420000-318140)*600)
jurov: dunno why they don't extrapolate from sliding window or such
jurov: use average time for last 10000 blocks instead of 10 minutes
kakobrekla: but that would make time go backwards at times!
jurov: in bitcoin it does. get used to it.
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 26 seconds
jurov: actually i realized bitcoin is the only software project with milestones going sooner than expected
jurov: with caveat thet ETA for rigorous spec is Inf
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gribble: Nick 'x4nthyos', with hostmask 'x4nthyos!~xanthyos@c-174-63-38-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.
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kakobrekla: yeah they called themselfs fags back then iirc
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.22204 = 1.1102 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: i can now provision my app cannon onto arbitrary amazon accounts