BingoBoingo: Just can't use cast iron to make anything with tomatoes
RooK314: Sort of I guess. I just like that it is easy to clean and lasts a lifetime if properly cared for.
assbot: Katy Perry - Roar (Official) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Well, the acids in tomatoes incteract poorly with the seasoning.
xanthyos: huff po is a blogging site, not real journalism
RetroUpriser: Yeah acidic foods will make the pan give run-off into your food
BingoBoingo: 04-02-2014 16:08:51 <mircea_popescu> there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu I imagine it must be. You could never run away to Antartica because of your pickle hunger.
mircea_popescu: i doubt i could have the girls walk around naked in antartica.
mthreat: everyone in the channel is probably top 5% of the world in wealth
RetroUpriser: I guess i didnt take into account all those poor bastards
mircea_popescu: youre aware average wealth per capita is less than an ounce of gold.
mircea_popescu: you don't need to spend much time here to become wealthy.
RetroUpriser: well, if i had the same %/total of dollars that i do of % of bitcoin that can exist, id be ridiculously rich
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com how to be a millionaire
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i continue to be amazed at what goog picks.
mircea_popescu: "You’re in the top 0.0001% richest people in the world. That makes you the 151st richest person on earth."
RetroUpriser: it says it cant be displayed, and the people who are the top ten richest, are definitely not letting that info out
RetroUpriser: hows it feel to be rich enough to never have to work a day in your life man?
RetroUpriser: i have an open wallet if you wanna spice things up ;)
mircea_popescu: mthreat lol love how they keep trying to sell me on making donations. neat idea for a site.
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser did you come up with that idea on your own or read it somewhere ?
RetroUpriser: I think carnagie said it in some history class in middle school
mircea_popescu: see midnightmagic, there's like five of us by now. at least.
RetroUpriser: why dont you just fly over here and ill get you some tang
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser you got some weird internet censorship thing going ?
RetroUpriser: nah man i was on trilema earlier, but the links assbot gives me arent working
assbot: fu gribble is doing that.
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RetroUpriser: maybe we can work something out in a bulk transaction?
mike_c: sure, go scrape some pron site and get paid.
mike_c: because that's what he's paying for, someone to go find him pron.
RetroUpriser: i can probably get a bunch of chicks to send me their tits for a fee, and ill keep the extra
RetroUpriser: is there any other way to authenticate the titties? so you know im not google searching them
xanthyos: so what about tit video, at 24 frames per second. does that go for 2.4 btc/s?
mike_c: do you honestly think he's paying for the fking pic..
xanthyos: those titties have to eauth with gribble to get paid
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'RetroUpriser', with hostmask 'RetroUpriser!a2e354cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.227.84.203', is identified as user 'birdman', with GPG key id 43C14A4124F48195, key fingerprint 2B2DC64A8C3DBD14024A610343C14A4124F48195, and bitcoin address None
mike_c: ;;gettrust assbot RetroUpriser
xanthyos: RetroUpriser's gribble nick is "birdman"
mike_c: kako.. help me out here before i pop a valve.
mike_c: ;;gettrust assbot birdman
mike_c: danielpbarron, your judgement is questionable :)
RetroUpriser: which really isnt much less than the btc your holding, right now at least
mike_c: and yet you are in here begging for pennies
RetroUpriser: Mircea_popescu i'd like to hear more about your offer
xanthyos: i only have 0.030712 BTC to my name and i haven't even dropped an address to beg donations into hehe
kakobrekla: RetroUpriser you know this is not 'id like' game.
RetroUpriser: Am i supposed to roll over when this kid tries to push my buttons?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user birdman has been recorded.
RetroUpriser: Still not getting where any problem started from
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for birdman.
BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it.
mike_c: it's a good thing though. if it doesn't need maintaining and refining that's because no one is using it.
kakobrekla: or just means i did a terrible job the first time.
dub: sorry -assets, my lunch > yours
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mike_c: why is the yolk orange? looks good though.
dub: quinoa salad, thats what yolks are supposed to look like
dub: when your hens are not boosting meth and antibiotic speedballs
benkay: >> quinoa // stopped reading
BingoBoingo: dub> when your hens are not boosting meth and antibiotic speedballs << But mething up the hens is how you let them defends themselves from foxes
mike_c: aw benkay, you're just jealous his lunch > your breakfast
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user birdman has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It will work next time, * RetroUpriser (a2e354cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.227.84.203) has left #bitcoin-assets
mike_c: ;;gettrust assbot birdman
dub: kakobrekla: egg from the store
HeySteve: hey assets, I just had an idea for a bitcoin choose your own adventure game
HeySteve: eg. you are conan and a dragon is attacking you (and here is a drawing art of that). to throw your sword at the dragon, send btc to [address]. to run away, send btc to [different address]. etc.
HeySteve: fluffypony it might, and riddles!
HeySteve: yeah I should put some words and doodles on the forum and see what happens
dub: do a historically accurate one to teach noobs... Turn to page 42 to invest in pirate or page 69 to IPO your PMB
HeySteve: maybe a cyberpunk one to bring in bitcoin elements
HeySteve: love games but can't code, so this could be a fun thing to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00080529 = 19.8907 BTC [-] {2}
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RebeccaBitcoin: Do I really need to do this gribble decrypt pgp shit every time I log in?
benkay: is it really that hard?
mike_c: i does force you to optimize your toolchain
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4649c416224d088b2bc0f4358750640032629be7bbb6084621bf6be9
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
xanthyos: ;;eauthlings: take me to your leader
gribble: Error: "eauthlings:" is not a valid command.
mike_c: you sound like you are in as good a mood as i am.
mike_c: the forum is probably rubbing off on me already.
mike_c: hah! now you'll be grumpy.
RebeccaBitcoin: thats what I get for sitting in the bath, with a glass of wine, and my laptop on a chair
RebeccaBitcoin: I've come here two nights in a row, gone through the ridiculous gribble nonsense, verified my GPG key, and he's still not here.
gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 50 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> alright. off to dream of domain names. adios!
benkay: RebeccaBitcoin: you could always send him your email via ;;later
xanthyos: leave a keybase tab open and authing takes no time
benkay: ;;later tell RebeccaBitcoin butts
benkay: keybase lol f'reel xanthyos ?
xanthyos: what other than keybase would i use?
xanthyos: danielpbarron set it up for me, i assumed it was everyone's gribblling procedure
mike_c: tell us about you rebecca. how did you encounter pete.
xanthyos: i know danielpbarron and birdman irl and trust them explicitly regardless of what you think of their irc personas
benkay: danielpbarron: you're responsible for this heresy?
RebeccaBitcoin: I read his blog, thought it was good, noticed its like 48% copy and paste from here, and figured I would cut out the middle man and visit it myself
benkay: keybase suggests you give them your private key.
danielpbarron: benkay, believe me I've tried to get them to use proper crypto
benkay: they also suggest you encrypt it with javascript.
mike_c: RebeccaBitcoin: well, this is it. are you dazzled yet?
benkay: this will end with their heads on pikes w'out the gulag.
RebeccaBitcoin: Little did I know that I would have to spend precious minutes figuring out gribble's GPG stuff just to talk to you nerds lol
benkay: danielpbarron: they have to have gpg anyways, right?
RebeccaBitcoin: I was literally here for 2 hours last night, albeit while watching suits at the same time.
mike_c: what do you do around btc?
benkay: make them memorize the commands, and beat them if they fuck up.
RebeccaBitcoin: I was moderately dazzled by Mircea's comments about my nipples and so fourth, but other than that, there wasn't much noteworthy.
benkay: da fuq is so hard about that
mike_c: it even works in windows.
benkay: but seriously danielpbarron xanthyos if you can type "keybase" at the command line you can type "gpg -d" at the command line too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00080839 = 17.2591 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: benkay, idk what to say; you're right, and I already do use gnupg
benkay: xanthyos: and your defense?
danielpbarron: i set it up for him; keybase was the quickest way to get him in the WoT :/
xanthyos: i'm gonna vaporize some cannabis
benkay: ;;gettrust RebeccaBitcoin
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot RebeccaBitcoin
RebeccaBitcoin: followup question: If I get enough trust in the web, will you send me all your bitcoins?
benkay: looky that, you already are
benkay: "/msg assbot !up" in another freenode channel.
benkay: you won't be able to send from this one.
danielpbarron: channel needs to be +z for !up to work in the channel from devoiced users (i think)
benkay: danielpbarron: you can't !up yourself, but you can /msg assbot !up from #bitcoin-assets.
danielpbarron: +z makes it so ops can see devoiced user's messages, but i don't think assbot would cooperate
mike_c: zillow bought trulia for $3.5 billion. here's the important line from the announcement: "At some point, the CEO will also have to turn the companies into moneymaking operations, since both are unprofitable."
benkay: well /msg just sends the message to the recipient, doesn't broadcast to channel
danielpbarron: benkay, what I mean is, it should be possible for devoiced users to simply type !up in the channel and assbot would be able to see it even though everyone else would not
mod6: that's not how it works
benkay: i've advocated things like this before as well. mircea_popescu and kakobrekla prefer the join/part spam, and having people ask other people in the wot for voice.
benkay: !up vs /msg assbot !up
benkay: i don't see it, i tell ya
danielpbarron: it's not that important really; I just think the +z mode on channels is interesting
benkay: RebeccaBitcoin: did you get your own !up sorted?
benkay: okay copy this string: /msg assbot !up
benkay: oh hey yeah, you totally got it
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RebeccaBitcoin: hey so when do you guys start sharing all the top secret bitcoin stuff
RebeccaBitcoin: like where should i invest, who's satoshi, how can i break the encryption on bitcoin casinos
Duffer1: rebecca it's all in the chan description
benkay: satoshi is ancient aliens
Duffer1: the knowledge drop time is pretty random, but the blogs are pretty quick
decimation: the answers (and/or speculation thereof) to these questions can be gleaned from the wisdom in the logs of the channel
benkay: it's almost as grueling a read as deuteronomy
Duffer1: wow the monarch is still in development
benkay: RebeccaBitcoin: the logs are my morning newspaper.
RebeccaBitcoin: I prefer coindesk. It's like the national enquirer with more plagiarism.
benkay: candy's bad for your brain.
RebeccaBitcoin: Also, I'm not one to usually post private things publicly, but wtf type of convo did i just have in a PM
RebeccaBitcoin: Thanks. I was wondering if you are the girl from reddit?
RebeccaBitcoin: There was a girl here from reddit last night who was ... open minded but I missed most of the convo
RebeccaBitcoin: Oh ok sorry if I bothered you. As my name suggests I am a sub and was looking
mike_c: RebeccaBitcoin: learn pastebin.com :)
kakobrekla: yeah you are suppose to spray it around.
assbot: States Debate Regulating Digital Currency
decimation: "Transfer of cryptocurrency by itself is not money transmission. Because cryptocurrencyis not money or monetary value, the receipt of it in exchange for a promise to make it available at a later time or different location is not money transmission. This includes intermediaries who receive cryptocurrency for transfer to a third party, and entities who akin to depositories, hold cryptocurrency on behalf of customers."
decimation: This kind of "law" is exactly what makes new york's rules unreasonable - business will just move to other states
Duffer1: lol transfer of money is not money transmission
decimation: eh, it's all word-games anyway. the main point is that at least texas (and to some degree the IRS) recognize that they can't regulate bitcoin, but they can regulate usd, which is more-or-less the truth
TheNewDeal: if only supernintendo lawsky would realize the same
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0008087 = 15.1227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57717 @ 0.00080981 = 46.7398 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell nanotube wondering if i might procure your assistance in registering 165749929F9A6BDD to this new handle. was formerly registered with bitcoinpete :)
mike_c: aw, bitcoinpete had a nice ring to it
assbot: WarOfLife.com - Cellular Automata - Gambling - On Chain Parimutuel or Off Chain
mike_c: servers have not yet melted under the load.
mike_c: ;;ident pete_dushenski
gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@50.97.94.57-static.reverse.softlayer.com', is not identified.
mike_c: i'm convinced. i'm trying to get WoL out there a bit. if you were so inclined, you do seem to have quite the social reach. any offhand mention would be appreciated.
pete_dushenski: mike_c: i'd be happy to once i finish this little transition, actually play wol, then i can do a blog or something :)
mike_c: oh oh, i get it. dog the bounty hunter.
bitcoinpete: i read up on the logs yesterday. looks like we just missed each other
bitcoinpete: glad to see you made your way over the fence ;)
bitcoinpete: or, more likely, we have different definitions of "good"
bitcoinpete: perceived social/community good vs. financial good
bitcoinpete: RebeccaBitcoin: so what made you pull the trigger on eth?
Duffer1: with alt coins i've seen there's usually a way out with your skin if you exit early
jborkl: I saw the 19 year old kid here in Austin, they propped him up to speak
Duffer1: anything beyond that and it's a guaranteed loss of 50-95%
jborkl: Did not inspire confidence
RebeccaBitcoin: my logic was that on opening day, which will probably be in 2015, ether will spike in value
Duffer1: there's no reason for it to though, everyone who wants will have more than enough time to buy in before
RebeccaBitcoin: While Anthony and his cronies are all like "omg ethereum will change the world" yada yada yada, I'll sell
Duffer1: and probably most of them are hoping to exit on day one
Duffer1: price crashes, history repeats itself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00081652 = 14.4932 BTC [+]
RebeccaBitcoin: with all the coins that Vitalik has he's probably having some nerd orgy in switzerlan
RebeccaBitcoin: Regardless of when it happens, Anthony will tell all his lemmings in Toronto to invest
bitcoinpete: vitalik and co raised, maybe, 500-1000 legit coins so far
cazalla: RebeccaBitcoin, i'm sure you're not the only one with buyers remorse
bitcoinpete: RebeccaBitcoin: pretty much pure conjecture with a sprinkling of hunch
bitcoinpete: and it's fucking bitcoin, of course there's no way to prove that
RebeccaBitcoin: Anyway, my hypothesized timeline goes: Initial Sale -> we wait -> we wait some more -> anthony builds hype -> vitalik talks at conferences -> we wait some more -> some random technical issue happens to delay things further -> It launches -> Anthony's lemmings go omgthisizamazing! -> price jumps briefly -> Rebecca sells -> Price crashes and Vitalik
Duffer1: buys mom million dollar mantion in tropican paradise
RebeccaBitcoin: and since I paid with bitcoin, I can't call my credit card company and claim my card was stolen like I usually do
Duffer1: i wouldn't worry about it at all
Duffer1: even if y ou eat a 100% loss on this, that's a VERY inexpensive lesson learned
RebeccaBitcoin: if I believed in it I would have tossed way more at it
bitcoinpete: RebeccaBitcoin: so what part of the country are you in?
bitcoinpete: and speaking of anthony di iorio, he left me (another!) voicemail last night
bitcoinpete: so i sent him an email and invited him here
bitcoinpete: for those who don't know, anthony is one of the spokesman/financiers/doods behind ethereum
bitcoinpete: pretty sure he controls vitalik's leg strings
RebeccaBitcoin: Someone posted somewhere that anthony has a shady past
bitcoinpete: "please to call, read your blog, didn't know you felt that way…"
bitcoinpete: RebeccaBitcoin: nao he's learnt i gotz a blog
bitcoinpete: only thing i know of was satoshi circle iirc
RebeccaBitcoin: ya, which is kinda illegal gambling but that's hardly sahdy
bitcoinpete: i'm sure mircea_popescu could recommend a private eye if you really must know ;)
bitcoinpete: mike_c: bitcoinpete is a pretty good bitcoin-assets marketer. << well don't mind if i do :D
RebeccaBitcoin: make a username, choose a password, GPG gribble nonsense
RebeccaBitcoin: and then to make it worse, I have to do gribble every time I log on
Duffer1: i thought i was too, till i got attacked a couple weeks ago, read the logs
BingoBoingo: <bitcoinpete> Duffer1: but weren't you using windows ? << People can screw the pooch on Linux too
bitcoinpete: it's easier to skin your knees on a skateboard than in a car
Duffer1: they didn't get anything except a piece of pride :P
RebeccaBitcoin: because you had no coins or because you have them well secured
RebeccaBitcoin: That must be depressing for hackers. Hack into someone's computer, and they have no bitcoins.
Duffer1: offline purpose built laptop
Duffer1: i don't believe my comp was infilitrated, they attacked my services
RebeccaBitcoin: If someone makes a bot that steals coins from brain wallets
Duffer1: to try to gain access to coinbase, which did have access to my bank account
Duffer1: but the attacker knew my cell number / provider and tried to set up call forwarding for the coinbase 2fa token
Duffer1: anyways the point is, i learned a security mindset from b-a, gpg reinforced the habit
Duffer1: and the attacker is empty handed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5959 @ 0.00081738 = 4.8708 BTC [+]
RebeccaBitcoin: Duffer taught me that if I use windows, I have to regularly use GPG to protect myself
Duffer1: lol if you use any system you can still get owned if they know enough about you and get some tier one wanker to change an email pw
RebeccaBitcoin: Its always a good idea to have an email to yourself with the subject passwords
RebeccaBitcoin: and make sure your passwords have some $ signs in them
RebeccaBitcoin: that makes them safer, especiailly if money is involved
dub: changing e to 3 makes passwords secure
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. << lol
RebeccaBitcoin: also, one other pro tip: If you use google authenticator 2 factor, its always a good idea to save the QR code pic in your gmail with your passwords
RebeccaBitcoin: that way if you lose your phone when out clubbing or whatever, you can re-scan it
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nanotube has been recorded.
RebeccaBitcoin: Pete gave into Miracea's peer pressure from last night?
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
cazalla: can't believe bitcoinpete gave in :\
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: i blame benkay and his crap typing skills
assbot: ClubOrlov: Saving Face
pete_dushenski: benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am swiftly coming to the conclusion that the only undisputable fact is that Malaysia Airlines should probably be uninsurable by now.
RebeccaBitcoin: the ukranian one doesn't appear to be entirely malaysian's fault
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who knows, perhaps insurers now believe, as some ww1 soldiers did, that 'shell doesn't ever drop into the old crater' << Old crater is perfect target to shell if you can't see enemies outside of it.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform like israelis who, during the intifada in the early 2000s, would pack the bar that was previously suicide bombed the second it re-opened
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: omg popescu and rescue don't rhyme. << says mur-see-uhh
Duffer1: shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :((
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 552418.63 in 749 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -19.61
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11101 @ 0.00081467 = 9.0437 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: …all day long. ether ether ether while i sing this song
benkay: pete_dushenski's feelings...
benkay: <RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // it's to be expected
benkay: <RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // brainwallets must have adequate entropy, and no JS doth not provide.
benkay: <asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. // ding ding ding
benkay: <pete_dushenski> benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time. << last week was big black dicks in the ass, this week is moose dick, next week is she-dick.
benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards
benkay: the os x one only has one slot as apparently a giant "fuck you" to anyone who's not a retard
benkay: oh also i was told today that calling things "stupid" is bad because some people identify as stupid and using stupid as a negative word makes them feel bad
benkay: so we started saying "poorly engineered" to which i object because i'm a crap engineer
benkay: came to the conclusion that until people start identifying as piles of feces, the only acceptable bad word is "shitty" and then i remembered this one girl...
benkay: also someone pointed out that shit is healthy and good and helps you diagnose your internal gut flora state
benkay: that's all the log i get?
benkay: ;;ud "white girl wasted"
pete_dushenski: benkay: some people identify as stupid << hardly. pretty sure everyone in north america think they're hawkings' able-bodied offspring
benkay: "some" people might get offended
pete_dushenski: ofc, which is why you have to talk extra loud to make sure that no one misses your golden eggs
benkay: mocking the youth for their idiocy is a core tenet of my educational philosophy
benkay: aight well i'm too tired to code, so i'm going to knock off and get up early tomorrow.
benkay: aw that's so pleasant! i type pete and it tabcompletes!
benkay: ;;rated pete_dushenski
gribble: You rated user pete_dushenski on Sun Apr 13 13:08:25 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: None.
gribble: You rated user jurov on Sun Apr 13 13:06:17 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: great to work with.
benkay: ;;rate jurov 3 keeps his word.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 2 to 3.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00081715 = 18.3042 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: nanotube: i'm signing off for the night, but dig this:
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dea5a830caed3972cae01f44b360cd50298595fea0ebe6c6a5872ba0
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: so what about tit video, at 24 frames per second. does that go for 2.4 btc/s? << lol nope.
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser: but they wouldnt be coming into assests << then they wouldn't be getting paid.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway, he seems to be authed << you srsly brokt it, this isn't how it's supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the forum is probably rubbing off on me already. << was the valve ready to pop earlier from that ?
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Right, so he's been sleeping for like 19 hours << side effects of a good bj.
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Oh ok sorry if I bothered you. As my name suggests I am a sub and was looking << is this the russian bride scam being marketed to women now ?
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <mike_c> !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know. << of course
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: coolpete would have promoted the scam << little miss wry sarcasm's kinda fun to read huh. except when she fucks up the pasting.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :(( << it was just a sly lead-in for the next line
mircea_popescu: benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ?
cazalla: damn, new ISIS video is more brutal than the last
cazalla: videos are 30m video effects, 2m of GTA style, not sure if they want to show off the killing or video editing skills more
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 980 @ 0.00282983 = 2.7732 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: The stolen 600+ Bitcoin Lesson, Identity Theft, Nothing is 100% Safe, but youll Survive : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Ukrainians excell at robbing, selling out, dismantling and destroying their own country; but achieving a specific, precise result as part of a highly coordinated mission? Not so much."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18632 @ 0.00081311 = 15.1499 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 2160 @ 0.0008 = 1.728 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.18620797 = 3.3517 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18889989 = 1.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.000809 = 15.1485 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.93, Best ask: 586.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 586.43, 24 hour volume: 8636.32621492, 24 hour low: 570.5, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 582.088195257
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.1888999 = 1.3223 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 250 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 12k High: 270 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18889999 = 0.9445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.189 = 1.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.189048 = 4.7262 BTC [+] {2}
coinboy: long on ether brought me here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1897 = 0.7588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18995 = 1.1397 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 7372 @ 0.0008 = 5.8976 BTC [+]
pankkake: no, when I went on it it was there
pankkake: however I always delete the cache before updating, so if the feed has an error, it will temporarily disappear I suppose
mircea_popescu: ah i see it. maybe it didn't answer timely something like that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18999 = 0.95 BTC [-]
pankkake: perhaps. I keep the last update log but not the previous ones. that's why there's a cache but it can't update properly because of the delay of posts appearing in the feed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18999833 = 1.14 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [+] {5}
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.19230146 = 13.0765 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19925 @ 0.00081199 = 16.1789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.20048694 = 4.6112 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.205 = 1.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.205 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00080972 = 22.3888 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 258 @ 0.00196206 = 0.5062 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.21387198 = 5.3468 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: Steel mill worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of Nagasaki atomic bombing -
punkman: and for that day the gasenwagen comes: "A dry powder fire extinguisher is said to be a good improvised system for production of aerosol effective even in far infrared."
assbot: How to take over the computer of any Java (or Clojure or Scala) developer - Ontoillogical
pankkake: many language-specific package managers don't check anything either
jurov: what kind of fire extinguisher? not CO2, imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.22664704 = 3.853 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Your Craft Whiskey Is Probably From a Factory Distillery in Indiana - The Daily Beast
punkman: heh "whiskey aged longer than a distillery has been in business is one of the telltale signs that the “distiller” is actually just bottling someone else’s product."
BingoBoingo: I'm actually wondering now about how one just bulk purchase's that rye for personal consumption
punkman: family of friend buys 1000L of wine every year and it just about lasts until the next time
BingoBoingo: Lulz -> The prize for the most upfront bottler has to go to Blaum Bros. of Galena, Illinois, which market Knotter—read “not our”—Bourbon with the transparent admission “We didn’t distill this bourbon. Nope, not a drop.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.23352499 = 2.8023 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.23999655 = 6.9599 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: 1mn to "share and collaborate" without needing to email excel anymore ?
dub: with scotch its not uncommon for old stock to be sold with a distillery
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. later assetteers/
dub: assetteers sounds like part of a porno name
punkman: dub, if you have old stock you probably don't need to come up with shit like "al capone's favourite hooch"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0008065 = 26.2113 BTC [-] {2}
dub: yes well, what you are talking about is not even whisky
BingoBoingo: dub: Well, with scotch selling whisky from distillery to distillery (or simply to blenders) is rather standard
punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't?
BingoBoingo: punkman: It's hard to say. It seems the article mentioned one case where the switched to outsourcing it.
dub: depends what they buy it for, vast majority of single malt ends up in blends
punkman: well say Lagavulin, I wonder, was it better before Diageo bought it?
pankkake: "Their freakish messages seem almost tailored to demand attention in our outrage-driven world of social media signaling." eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier
dub: probably the same or better, they would look to preserve the distinctive brand but have a lot more stock to choose from
dub: well no, in that case it wont have changed
pogakuofie: i can get a thing the article what is it abt??
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.24439392 = 8.065 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00409999 = 0.615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will | Business | WIRED
punkman: "Anyone Googling Serbian Crown, or plugging it into Google Maps, was told incorrectly that the restaurant was closed on the weekends"
punkman: I guess if that's all it takes to run you out of business, you were out of business already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 346 @ 0.00281501 = 0.974 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00280089 = 1.5769 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25983333 = 2.3385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: How a Hacker Intercepted FBI and Secret Service Calls With Google Maps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.263 = 1.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.26613124 = 4.2581 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0027438 = 1.2347 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27289999 = 0.5458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.0027 = 0.7533 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0026219 = 5.2438 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0026164 = 1.1774 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.29389454 = 11.7558 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00253704 = 0.8702 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13849 @ 0.00080661 = 11.1707 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I can never remember whether it's ! or ,, or ;; for a particular command
fluffypony: nope - for some commands gribble *only* responds to ,,
fluffypony: if you try ;;bg in -otc it won't work, but ,,bg will
chetty: odd I get error pages for google.com.ar
chetty: ah its back now, that was wierd dont think I ever saw google down before
fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky"
chetty: indeed, you never know who wrote the program that runs that robot
kakobrekla: how do you know its those sources that run gribble
kakobrekla: speaking of robots n shit, anyone saw transcendence, this new flick?
chetty: dang I lost my own voice when I wasnt looking :P
pogakuofie: anyone can help with run the gnupg on windows
chetty: pogakuofie, needs some help with gen keys on windows
kakobrekla: why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00080459 = 18.5056 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 9897 @ 0.0008 = 7.9176 BTC [+]
assbot: With new default looming, Argentina urges calm - Yahoo News
punkman: reading is hard, let's go shopping
punkman: I mean, moiety should make a video tutorial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin-OTC Setup Guide for Windows - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00286068 = 0.8582 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.34248108 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas"
http://bitbet.us/bet/990/ Odds: 30(Y):70(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.7332013 BTC. Current weight: 83,345.
eregister: after the decryption where did he get the information he pasted to get verified
pankkake: you should send the line to gribble, in private or in a public chan
pankkake: but I'm not sure it's your question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
eregister: i did but dont know were to get the key to send back to get auth
pankkake: you have to decrypt it using GPG
pankkake: then you only have to paste it back to gribble
eregister: then were do i get what i have to send back to get verified
eregister: but some how in the video he got some info and pasted back
pankkake: what did you get? you can paste it publicly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
pankkake: I think you tried the wrong feature; you should decrypt, not verify
chetty: be sure you copy all including the dashes to decrypt
kakobrekla: or just paste the private key and someone here will do it for you.
eregister: is there anyother gpg add i can use
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2899375 = 2.3195 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I don't understand the question, but you should use pool.sks-keyservers.net
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0008038 = 10.3288 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September"
http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.00588622 BTC. Current weight: 30,547.
eregister: i decryted and got this freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2ec9bdb25df6b89034d729720b12c05bb386c69f46338b41b8538c6b
pankkake: great, now you say ;;gpg everify <yourstring>
pankkake: either here or in private to gribble
kakobrekla thinks that by now pankkake earned all eregisters btc
pankkake: perhaps because you took too much time or changed your nick
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
jurov: imo miety could make video for cunt generation how to do the registration and gpg stuff under windows
jurov: or maybe there is one already
trixisowned: “Purchaser understands, that while the Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.”
trixisowned: “We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development. We may or may not take this option depending on community response; if done at all it will be done transparently.”
jurov: !s "cunt generation"
jurov: !s cunt generation
pankkake: I suppose the ToS was never signed?
kakobrekla: sign the tos? its not like it means anything!
jurov: kakobrekla: why the search failed? does it have profanity filter?
jurov: oh it actually worked
jurov: my brain is somehow too jumpy lately :/
kakobrekla: yeah, get one of those asciilifeform wave modulator phaser laser ion electrifying brain fixer
ThickAsThieves: <+trixisowned> this is removed //// it was a pretty retarded line to have in there
ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck
assbot: ethereum blog | Launching the Ether Sale
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00080459 = 3.7816 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: to give out the impression someone is overlooking
ThickAsThieves: “People can’t really afford to hold bitcoin for very long. You’ve got to pay rent at the end of the month in euros or dollars, you may even at this time convince your landlord to pay rent using the bitcoin network, but at at the same time, you may have market action that happens during those 15 days that means you can’t cover that anymore.”
kakobrekla: for people who cant handle buy and sell button ?
ThickAsThieves: for people-who-only-have-enuf-btc-to-pay-1-month-of-rent-yet-want-to-live-on-btc
assbot: CryptoKids: Altcoins, Apps And Authors Aim To Bring Bitcoin To Children - Forbes
ThickAsThieves: 'Describing themselves somewhat tweely as “tech tweenpreneurs”, JuJu, GiGi and JoJo have already authored more than 20 technology-related books aimed at children their own age. Now they have turned their focus on cryptocurrency through their Bitkidz website – the first ever bitcoin social media site for children'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00080619 = 20.1548 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.298 = 0.596 BTC [+]
mike_c: should businesses be in the wot?
mike_c: !s from:ThickAsThieves "new wot"
mike_c: why new wot? what's wrong with the existing one?
mike_c: ok, but that's separate from having a business account
chetty: businesses are in the end people, the people that run them
rithm: ;;rate tat -1 mutiny
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
ThickAsThieves: the issue i dont like about adding businesses is the yelp phenomenon
mike_c: WoT is all about gettrust, not getrating
Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly a topic that could use more discourse and work \
Blazedout419: for example in OTC some scammers will make new accts over and over just to crush someones wot score
danielpbarron: if your "business" is harmed by the ratings of trolls, your business was probably going poorly anyway
ThickAsThieves: i was about to say, but how does a business claim it's listing?
assbot: Rating Details for User 'tim-tams'
Blazedout419: danielpbarron true, but many only look at L1 and ratings
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number.
chetty: failure to do your DD is no excuse
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, most are idiots; why should they be the rule instead of the exception?
nanotube: mike_c: grandfathered in from the early days. :)
Blazedout419: not me BigBitz talking about rtings abuse and the WOT
mike_c: there is weighted points. it's gettrust
BigBitz: Blazedout419 look at my ratings.
BigBitz: I have about 8-10 negative 10s.
Blazedout419: how 1 mad person can wreck a total score...and most are too dumb to notice it
BigBitz: sucks... but not many look at it.
ThickAsThieves: well 10 points from mp is not the same as from ninjashogun
danielpbarron: ThickAsThieves, the points already *are* weighted; a user in your L1 can only pass along as much rating to someone's L2 score as you have given them
BigBitz: 10 points from ninjashogun is a gift.
mike_c: it is quantified! gettrust uses your edge weights as weighting.
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, the total score is practically meaningless
BigBitz: ;;ratingsystem getrating BigBitz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User BigBitz, rated since Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013. Cumulative rating 430, from 213 total ratings. Received ratings: 202 positive, 11 negative. Sent ratings: 186 positive, 59 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz BigBitz: 11 negative all from scammers.
Blazedout419: I just think for a business the scores matter more
danielpbarron: if you rate someone +5, and they rate someone else +10, only up to +5 will get passed along to the L2
ThickAsThieves: one problem i have for my vision of a decentralized wot, is when i simulate it in my end, it turns into a sort of international passport system over time and could totally remove anonymity from so many areas of life, and well, is that what we really want?
danielpbarron: the one potential problem I see happening with nanotube's WoT, is that a small majority can prevent a user from even giving ratings..
danielpbarron: but that's something he can easily remove without changing how the WoT works
danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
Blazedout419: nano is very fair though so it has not been an issue from what I have seen
rithm: <danielpbarron> +i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
danielpbarron: i'm on the verge of not being able to rate anymore because of idiots like you ( Blazedout419 ) in -otc
mike_c: ;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 21 positive, 7 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 18 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron rithm: where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?
Blazedout419: well danielpbarron not going to beat the dead horse here, but your ratings are a joke
chetty: <rithm> where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?//equality notions
mike_c: you did let those two idiots talk in here yesterday daniel..
rithm: not every person, bot, or program gets to leave some ratings trail
rithm: i can walk into the NYSE and call people idiots
danielpbarron: mike_c, yeh; that was my bad; I know them IRL; lesson learned there..
rithm: no one will document that and take it seriously
rithm: why would you want to initiate it here
danielpbarron: anyway; the WoT isn't harmed by scammers or trolls; it harms nothing to let anyone give a rating
rithm: that's stupidiest thing i've ever heard come from this channel
rithm: and i've heard a lot of stupid shit
rithm: but letting joe schmoe leave ratings for people who've been around the block for x years is moronic
danielpbarron: scammers aren't in my L1; I don't care what ratings they give..
danielpbarron: rithm, joe schmoe isn't in my L1.. what's the problem??
mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others.
rithm: so this is a L1/L2 difference of opinions
rithm: so in theory i agree with you because it's already happened to me and no fucks were given
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq
assbot: Elementary School Flop - YouTube
rithm: lots of joe schmoes tagged me
rithm: ;;ratingsystem getrating jcpham
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. User jcpham, rated since Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011. Cumulative rating 147, from 101 total ratings. Received ratings: 95 positive, 6 negative. Sent ratings: 101 positive, 21 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham rithm: so my cumulative is -70 because of bullshit joe schmoes with sand in their vagina
rithm: but your point is valid, it makes no difference
danielpbarron: well, it sorta does make a difference at the moment, because nanotube won't let you even give a rating if your score goes negative (i think)
rithm: yes and it's -70 because of 7 shill accounts
rithm: and if that person made 7 more shill accounts
danielpbarron: well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does
jurov: ThickAsThieves> one problem i have... etc..<< you seem to dream about some opaque oracle that will issue trustable rating info for anonymous identities
mike_c: danielpbarron: it is. l2 to nanotube
rithm: one entity can complete ruin a cumulative rating in your "free for all" system
rithm: i myself may or maynot have 14 shill accounts for ratings offsets
rithm: checks and balances
punkman: rithm, so how would you stop the shills?
rithm: idenitity verification, not allow multiple accounts of some sort is the only solution i know of
rithm: but how do you implement that
ThickAsThieves: jurov i dont understand what you said, probably because you misunderstood what i said
danielpbarron: it's already solved; none of your shills are in my L1 (i think)
rithm: ;;gettrust solves it at L2
jurov: ThickAsThieves i understood it as you dislike the need not to be anonymous for web of trust to work
artifexd: rithm: not allowing multiple accounts is not possible
ThickAsThieves: i dislike the extreme which becomes possible with a "better" wot
rithm: i do not have a solution but i think entry into the wot should be guarded
rithm: i hate to be exclusionary but
rithm: some people can't behave
danielpbarron: rithm, it already is gaurded; you need to be in nanotube's L2 to be able to give a rating apparently
ThickAsThieves: Say the WoT is decentralized, supports more fields of data, has full API for integration for things like logging in to facebook or visiting Italy. The stronger and more prevelant the WoT gets, the more likely it is to become a requirement
ThickAsThieves: now, suppose that requirement come at request of governments
artifexd: <rithm> some people can't behave << Especially when they are on the internet and feel like there are no repercussions
danielpbarron: bump me from a -2 to a -3 and i can't rate anymore :<
rithm: right artifexd. i sortof behave here because my peers are watching and i'd hate for someone to think I'm not a person of my word
rithm: but some people do not have this moral compass
punkman: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #b-a regular
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: this already happens as rap sheet and various no-fly blacklists, etc.
rithm: this whole WoT thing has gotten complex over time and usage. but I basically am on the mpoe side of the fence and i think these "bitcoin wot's" need to be pay-to-pay
rithm: initially i was not
rithm: pay a fee to enter
rithm: a token of some sort
danielpbarron: maybe require that all WoT users have a Bitcoin address associated that has a balance of X amount
punkman: rithm, not enough people for that I think
punkman: unless you are into circlejerks
jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything
ThickAsThieves: i'd donate money to a proper effort to make such things
rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class
kakobrekla: but when bitcoin started, there werent enough people for that as well, just a circlejerk
rithm: i don't have a solution sorry
punkman: kakobrekla, so what if you had to pay $500 to download bitcoin.exe then?
rithm: no one downloads bitcoin.exe
kakobrekla: punkman 30 btc mpex entry fee was pocket change at some point.
ThickAsThieves: the only way to make it have a cost is to do it like namecoin
danielpbarron: you don't have to charge for entry to make it cost prohibitive for scammers; just require they associate with a Bitcoin address that has a positive balance; kinda like a proof-of-stake
rithm: making it cost prohibitive to shill ratings is the key i think
rithm: back to identity verification
punkman: rithm, takes a lot of time to build up shill accounts as it is
artifexd: There was an anti-sockpuppet scheme that revolved around committing bitcoin for a certain amount of time. I'm having trouble finding the details right now.
rithm: does it punkman? because you used to be able to rate one with another
rithm: then i created 12 more with btc addresses
rithm: and rated all those
rithm: maybe i've just seen it done so much and all the exploits and loopholes are closed now
punkman: still need to get first account in nanotube's L2, then if you rate a dozen, you are kinda obvious
danielpbarron: well each account would need to have a unique address associated with it; you can't share an address between acounts.. that would defeat the purpose
rithm: this being in nano's L2 is new
rithm: or it is news to me
punkman: it's still perfectly possible, but scammers don't usually have long attention spans
Blazedout419: new users can not rate now unless they have a rating
artifexd: nanotube: Can you confirm that one has to be in your L2 in order to rate others?
BigBitz: You don't /have/ to be in nano L2 to rate.
BigBitz: You can STOP people by negrating if nano is in your L1 though.
rithm: if you are smart you can build your own shill rating army
rithm: idk i'm just a poor pawn.
rithm: let the ops figure it out
danielpbarron: in order to build up such an army, you'd have to convince other users to rate them; otherwise they all get cut off with your main account
rithm: so if nanotube burns you
punkman: right "Only people who already have a trust rating in the system can rate other users. "
rithm: your rating privileges are revoked
rithm: good solution to a problem
rithm: his L1 is pretty tight tho iirc
rithm: those would be good "decision makers"
nanotube: if you have l1+l2 from me that is <0, you cannot rate.
nanotube: this is not new, it's been in effect for at least a year now
mike_c: ;;gettrust nanotube mike_c
rithm: i need to get in on that op channel with the special topic
rithm: where this stuff is written down
rithm: heh /me runs off to github
chetty: Dolar Paralelo: $12,90// looks like market here is leaning towards argentina default
assbot: PSA: Don't change the new Blockchain iOS wallet denomination to "Bits". When you click Bitpay/Coinbase payment links it will send the wrong amount of BTC to the payment address. : Bitcoin
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ? << you're not familiar with the dickwolves incident?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69615380 BTC to 12`639 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.28383008 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1416 satoshi per share
mike_c: underscores are the new rage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 43 @ 0.022 = 0.946 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 50 @ 0.022 = 1.1 BTC
assbot: Stocks get no search love on Google - Jul. 29, 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 58 @ 0.022 = 1.276 BTC {3}
pankkake: re iOS blockchain wallet, it's just a feature, it's the Apple price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 370 @ 0.00272864 = 1.0096 BTC [-] {9}
kakobrekla: >In fact, there are more searches now for crowdfunding platform Kickstarter than "buy a stock," according to the Google Trends data researched by ConvergEx.
assbot: 4 Houston residents charged with employing illegal aliens
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00270026 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00080301 = 21.7214 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] [PAID] 4.55446000 BTC to 455`446 shares, 1000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ROCK] 1D: 0.00075002 / 0.0008005 / 0.00085104 (30834 shares, 24.68248696 BTC), 7D: 0.00069600 / 0.00080344 / 0.00085104 (33170 shares, 26.65020681 BTC), 30D: 0.00049994 / 0.00073211 / 0.00099999 (49376 shares, 36.14869395 BTC)
mike_c: ;;calc 1000 * 12 / (100000000 * 0.00075)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 556 @ 0.00267264 = 1.486 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 101 @ 0.01516446 = 1.5316 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01519773 = 0.7295 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.02, Best ask: 582.13, Bid-ask spread: 2.11000, Last trade: 580.01, 24 hour volume: 6002.33350681, 24 hour low: 578.0, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 585.523552373
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00264961 = 2.1197 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: basically coindesk is about to go out of business i take it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1324 @ 0.00264 = 3.4954 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: i will send aplologies to the phisher.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 223 @ 0.00283007 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.0153 = 0.612 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it ain't no phishing, it routes straight to their servers.
kakobrekla: a follow up: >So I take that back and just give you a plain fuck you.
BigBitz: the broken english is bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00080081 = 21.8621 BTC [-]
BigBitz: and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol
mike_c: you actually got them to call you a faggot?
kakobrekla: i was still in bed when lampelina came in yelling "lmao coindesk called you a fagot!"
mike_c: lol. well good trolling.
mike_c: i'm surprised they had the balls for that.
kakobrekla: it is indeed possible i was talking to phisher now that BigBitz pointed it out
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: so in that case, i guess not that amazing.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00080301 = 20.3563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.00285898 = 0.6004 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> reply-to: coindesk.com@gmail.com
mircea_popescu: Received: from [190.115.24.198] (port=40176 helo=coindesk.com)
mircea_popescu: by zed.gendns.com with esmtps (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
mircea_popescu: for office@polimedia.us; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:39:58 -0400
mircea_popescu: Received: from coindesk by mail.coindesk.com with local (Exim 4.82)
mircea_popescu: for office@polimedia.us; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:39:49 +0400
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol << obviously they use gmail.com.
BigBitz: Looks phishy also mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: idiots consider having "theirname"@twitter, gmail etc a business move.
mircea_popescu: it does not. it reads exactly at the level where coindesk articles read.
BigBitz: That 190.115.24.198 is nothing to do with CoinDesk or CloudFlare.
assbot: Alert: Phishing Attempts Targeting CoinDesk
mike_c: Top one is exact copy kako got. i think it's phishers.
mike_c: well, "phishing". they will ask for btc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have a lot of experience with wanna-be spammer kids. this is simply "plausible denial", as they understand it.
mircea_popescu: "let's spam and if anyone claims say we didn't do it, but if anyone buys all the better". this passes for business strategy, there.
mircea_popescu: not like coindesk actually asking for money to publish is new or anything.
kakobrekla: option c: start phishing and then publish warning about attack on your site. this does not remove most potential victims but does remove guilt.
mike_c: someone should string them along a bit. that should make it obvious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00080081 = 2.6443 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ow shit, no, actulaly, i linked the logs in my response
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> that is... insane. << spamworld isn't known for sanity. if the people involved could think clearly they'd do something else with their time.
BigBitz: Yeah but you're saying CoinDesk are doing it on purpose.
BigBitz: but that other email is clearly phishing.
kakobrekla: anyway i think we jumped the gun on this, fortunate no harm done in either case.
mircea_popescu: i wish there was some way to make a bitbet about this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that this is exactly coindesk.
los_pantalones: The Facebook URL was also pretty convincing – why would someone be stating a Facebook page that wasn’t their own ?
mike_c: "Should BitPay make dilutive issuances after June 19, 2014, D.BPAY will be diluted proportionally." << these terms usually aren't public. how are you going to orchestrate this?
mircea_popescu: mike_c they become public when they ipo cause they have to file.
mike_c: of course, but how do you handle dilutive private issuances?
mircea_popescu: it's there so people can correctly evaluate the risks involved. this is one.
mike_c: misunderstood, i get it.
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1mn worth of their 10mn total, then they issue another 90 and make it senior, then they ipo for 115mn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33375 @ 0.00080301 = 26.8005 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: course one'd hope teh sec would prosecute that sorta fraud, but hey.
mike_c: pro rata is almost universally baked into early stage investments.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00080251 = 9.7104 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: dub: assetteers sounds like part of a porno name << Alanis Assetteers ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't? << you're new, right ?
mircea_popescu: they make sure it doesn't change while it obviously does.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 462 @ 0.00267822 = 1.2373 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: pankkake: eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier << i like the girl, she's got word propriety. this is a rare skill, as it requires a lot more in depth knowledge than your average internet tard can possibly muster.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky" << srsly. most shit in spanish sounds poetic.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay? << that's like -ev neh ?
mircea_popescu: totally their occuring in separate geographic locations has ntohing to do with the fact that well, so did myths, pre-internet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because consumer fucktard would really rather wait than do anything else
mircea_popescu: you never want to take away consumer fucktard's excuse. he gets pannicky and all the injured vanity yields rage.
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5523835736bf628e470dfc837212c83012c47e2c1b1d9b932ed66b3b
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
kakobrekla: you still think there is a risk of that eh
mircea_popescu: but please OH PLEASE do me a favour, and if you have a girl
mircea_popescu: it's like the best girl name anyway, but like this... omfg, i'll pay.
ben_vulpes: how much? doesn't come with access lol
mircea_popescu: the horror of the interwebs you know, imagine you're 40, just got divorced, and while going through some old websites find a convo where your parents decided your name 2 years prior to birth in an irc chat.
ben_vulpes: lady v's already pretty set on tallulah for a female name
mike_c: (hello to my children from the past)
mircea_popescu: trixisowned: they removed this line <<< somehow one's unsurprised.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenki hey get in touch when you have a moment
gribble: I have not seen pete_dushenki.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hey get in touch when you have a moment
gribble: pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <pete_dushenski> thanks be to nanotube !
fluffypony: it's going to take me weeks to get used to this
fluffypony: kakobrekla: change yours to kako_brekla
unseen: mircea_popescu: been lurking here for some time.
mike_c: bingo is the bash master. he must have hotkeys.
unseen: General interest in MPEX, also you blog is fun to read
mircea_popescu: dude we'll be like, in an airport with some russian doods one day, to watch how obama's plane is being shot down
mircea_popescu: and i'll be like... hey this here is ben vulpes, master of the vulpes. and this is pete d from canada
fluffypony: nobody calls me fluffypony in real life
mircea_popescu: anyway, i readily grant fluffypony's much better than bitcoinpete.
mircea_popescu: since im doing a cleanning here, anyone want bitcoin-financials.com/net/org ?
mike_c: speaking of dashes in urls. feels wrong that some squatter has bitcoinassets.com
unseen: so it is still 30BTC to join MPEX? used to be the same when BTC value was a lower?
kakobrekla: mike_c iirc someone tried to sell it that to me
mike_c: unseen: yup. coinbr lowered its pricing though
unseen: (noob prepares to get flamed)
mike_c: kakobrekla: no interest? just for 301?
fluffypony: if the fee was set in USD but BTC was accepted as payment it would fluctuate (in BTC terms), but if it's set in BTC it stays in BTC
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how many people call you a faggot in the averagde week ?
mike_c: hell, i would take it for $200 for trolling :)
unseen: mircea_popescu i still convert BTC to fiat in my head before spending, bad habit I guess. ..
mircea_popescu: unseen well you can do whatever you want, but imagine i wrote to the new york times to ask them to revalue their subscripton costs because the "value" of the dolar in argentine pesos has changed.
mircea_popescu: which it has btw, 12.9 by now, this baby's gonna default.
kakobrekla: whoever doesnt take my 13 bucks offer is an idiot
mircea_popescu: you could offer 13 + 0.1 btc if they write the domain on their tits...
mircea_popescu: fucking trolls these people. Subject: IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION required ; Body : [blablabla] You have a 15 day window from the time of the original registration to verify the email address.
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unseen: 13.5k € just to open an account, dang.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck << well it looked funny cycling it 5k at a time.
mircea_popescu: unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really << because children, essentially.
unseen: mircea_popescu true that.
mike_c: the mistake is the "just"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: my result is we need a new wot <<< what nonsense is this ?!
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "a business account". businesses exist as declarations from people in the wot. sovereignity in business is invested with the principals, the business is just a wrapper.
mircea_popescu: much like irl sovereignity is invested in the king, personally.
mike_c: unseen: if you think mpex is going to continue to be relevant and an account would be useful to you, then it's not expensive.
mircea_popescu: it's really a bad idea to get involved in bitcoin investment if 30 btc is a major hit to your holdings.
mike_c: unseen: may I ask, any reason you don't use coinbr?
mircea_popescu: maybe buy a safe vehicle build with you in mind, like mpif, through a broker
mircea_popescu: but essentially, the barriers are there to help you not to hinder you. like railings on mountain roads.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: (i know you think you know how it works, but srsly, read that thing)
unseen: mike_c counter-party risk. I like the PGP signed order system.
mike_c: ;;gettrust unseen jurov
mike_c: fwiw, i've never heard a complaint about coinbr.
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mircea_popescu: would you be interested in working out a consumer insurance scheme ?
mike_c: or, maybe he needs an interface like mpex. might be a bigger market for that than one would think.
jurov: mike_c whole setup makes api unfeasible. unless i limit it to 1 call/user/ 5 seconds
mike_c: jurov: that might not be prohibitive. can't do hft anyway.
unseen: mike_c any company may run off with your BTC. Even if they looked legit for some time.
mike_c: well of course. mpex could too.
mike_c: mpex just ran off with everyone's btc a few weeks ago. luckily it got lonely and came back.
mircea_popescu: how the heck does one structure a depositor insurance thing in btc ;/
unseen: mike_c I decided to trust MPEX.
unseen: mike_c seems to have a different quality than anything else in the bitcoin sphere. kinda like it.
godovo: fluffypony just as important as the dude part
mike_c: depositor insurance: the insurer publishes a list like this: coinbr insured accounts - sha256(act_id): amount, sha256(act_id): amount
mike_c: that way you can verify your account_id is on the list without it being public
mike_c: and account_id is a pgp public key
mircea_popescu: jurov this could work. you publish the list once a month on your blog, as mike describes, then i verify the totals.
godovo: they also used #bitcoin-otc logs
mike_c: looks like the localbitcoins florida case?
jurov: most of btc is in open bids
godovo: they used gribble auth to prove the nick really was him
mike_c: oh, sry. more SR stuff
jurov: mircea so you have no problem to compare stuff in past point of time?
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mircea_popescu: jurov what's the concern, that a bid gets hit just as you post ?
jurov: and it can change substantially in the course of month, maybe it should be published more often
mthreat: nope.. just saw it on the news
mthreat: I think it was on HN, oddly enough
mircea_popescu: jurov the point is not to give a n accurate list of accounts. the point is to have checkpoints showing you're not spending it on booze.
jurov: not a concern, just thinking loud
jurov: unseen, would above report signed by mpex help you?
mike_c: my understanding is the cp risk is that jurov will run off to antartica with their assets.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: the ROI numbers sound good, on the surface anyway
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I'd be an excellent taxi driver
jurov: still, users shouldn't keep large btc balances on coinbr. place bids, get mpex receipt
jurov: and watch the orderbook for nefarious activity
mircea_popescu: what is needed is perhaps more in depth explaining of how great the system is, as it is.
unseen: jurov thinking about it.
mike_c: more in-depth won't get read. slapping a "insured by mpex" seal on the homepage will be seen.
jurov: can i make the seal with the duble cherry truck?
mike_c: yes, but no smoky dragons
mike_c: there you go. btcalpha should start consulting.
assbot: [14:27] <Rallye> dude youre scamming me! [14:27] <dynamite`> how so? [14:27] < - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: well this particular texan cali girl will probably be happier in the pen than on the street anyway.
mircea_popescu: On October 9, 2013, I made contact with CALIGIRL utilizing the Bitmessage program and the 'trusted' Bitmessage address CALIGIRL provided. << nice use of airquotes there lol
mthreat: i used to pay $10/month for someone to do my laundry in 'da pen'
godovo: they really went above and beyond to catch this guy, impressive
mircea_popescu: ahahah not really above and beyond to catch him, just probing the shit out of it.
godovo: I bet he didn't see it coming, lol
mircea_popescu: the part where they degrade the arrangement to the point they talk to the guy on the phone, and then send direct dollars to his bank acct...
mircea_popescu: o bro. so why was this guy connected to bitcoin anyway ? seems like an ordinary two bit crook with a beanie baby on the coffee table
mircea_popescu: The records turther detailed that the application was installed on an Apple iPhone that was titled 'Matthew Jones iphone. << secure minded fellow, he didn't use the carrier phone #, he got a special app.
mircea_popescu: THIS WAS BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP WITH SECURITY IN MIND!!!11
mircea_popescu: According to the records, the first and only outgoing call that was ever placed utilizing the account was to my undercover telephone number. This caff was pfaced on March 17, 2014 at 4:31 p.m. and went unanswered. Jones received three incoming calls that were answered. One call was from me and is detailed in this affidavit. The additjonal answered incoming telephone calls appear to have been from telemarketers.
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user << this is widely held but empirically disproven. consider the muchly discussed case of bitbet.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number. << it's not entirely meaningless. it reflects the probability of a user being in your network.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers << it's not really a good idea, because spamming.
mircea_popescu: one could keep a machine on non stop to just bloat nanotube's db, making accts, rating everyone, rewash
mircea_popescu: it is GOOD that existent users can make new users unable to become users. this is the bitcoin implementation of slavery.
mircea_popescu: and slavery is right and proper. if you're not into the wot, that is at your peril, and at great cost to you.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not optional, bitcoin is mandatory. failure to get in line is punished, not tolerated.
mircea_popescu: hopefully within not so very long having to pay someone already in the wot to be able to get in the wot will be common practice, and then all will be well.
gribble: You have not yet rated user danielpbarron
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell genericpersona are you looking to get negrated or what exactly is it ?
mike_c: " it reflects the probability of a user being in your network." << who needs probabilities? gettrust works.
artifexd: fluffypony: Sometimes I wonder if you are actually a small script that looks like "echo reddit.com"
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I don't disagree with genericpersona, those ratings are far from the biggest threat to the WoT
mircea_popescu: mike_c srsly, think about it. if his score implies a 40% probability people you know know him and yet nobody does.. isn;'t that informative ?
fluffypony: and even though the WoT itself isn't quantitative, it doesn't mean that ratings can't have quantitatively reflect the value of dealings
mircea_popescu: "how did you manage a total score of 5000 while nobody of the 300 people i know ever dealt with you ?"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the new orthodoxy being that ratings reflect the quality of your knowledge of the person. not the deal.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: my knowledge of a person could be limited to a single trade
fluffypony: I "know" nothing about them beyond that
mircea_popescu: maybe i know everything i need to know about a girl from seeing her tits online. that's a solid 10.
mircea_popescu: maybe i trade 5k btc a week with someone and i can't go past 1.
fluffypony: I'd expect that someone that wants to deal with them will come talk to me and say "I see you did a $100 trade with rg...is he trustworthy?"
mircea_popescu: but of a meta-question. you're basically scoring yourself. "hopw likely am i to be able to answer someones' q's about this guyu"
fluffypony: and I'll be like "he was fine at the time, but he's gone south since then."
mircea_popescu: that's the big point there. your rating quantity is not about them at all. it's about you. you're describing yourself, as a repository of knowledge.
mircea_popescu: so it's at least in principle and often practically difficult for a third party to dispute your ratings as appropriate or inappropriate.
fluffypony: so a much bigger threat to the WoT than a rating that reflects the trade is that few of us actually go and talk to the people raters to get a feel for the person we're about to deal with
mircea_popescu: rithm: no one will document that and take it seriously << a) no you can't and b) i seem to recall footage of hruschev with his shoe.
artifexd: And the positive or negative of the rating is an indication of whether you have negative or positive information?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony some of us are supposedly very good at reading people.
artifexd: Kinda like reading the negative reviews on Amazon first
mircea_popescu: the wot would really work just as good as a balnced ternary sistem really.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others. <<< if the wot db ends up larger than ten blockchains it may become a problem to host.
rithm: right but i still won't rate someone who i've not a) traded with or b) stalked because i have no knowledge of that person
rithm: rating someone because they look cool or seems smart is fruitless
mircea_popescu: well, how the fuck would i know ? maybe that's hoiw your magic works.
mircea_popescu: i won't presume to interfere in experts manner and expertise.
rithm: why can't i have a 5 for luke-jr
mircea_popescu: in general tho, the wot benefits from fostering variety of approach. centralising a "set of rating practices" is actualy a valid attack
rithm: he's apeshit crazy, true
rithm: but i trust him with bitcoins
mircea_popescu: you can. which is why i didn't bitch at you when i finally beheaded him.
mircea_popescu: people wanting to figure him out can ask mp and find out he's a total tool, and ask you and find he's trustworthy with btc
rithm: apeshit crazy on one hand. moral compass and won't steal on the other
mircea_popescu: from this profile it becomes clear why he's dangerous : superficially trustworthy tool = mole.
rithm: i get to see a lot of ratings for stupid things like abortion
rithm: i know for a fact i saw someone rate someone because of their abortion views
rithm: within the last 90 days
mircea_popescu: i thought it was more. anyway, for a long time kako had usagi + even if the consensus in the chan is -.
rithm: when i see kids negrate flamewar each other for political views, i tend to stick to the 1:1 trade mentality
mircea_popescu: political views are just as valid as economical views. the distinction is not nearly as clear cut as you'd like it to imagine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00080517 = 8.6854 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does <<< it already is. in order to be able to rate you need to be linked to google.
mircea_popescu: it's not enough to have high ratings from disconnected subgraphs.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system << this is exactly true.
mircea_popescu: jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: however you implement it, the situation in fact is that you have one global wot for everything.
mircea_popescu: just like there's one global currency for everything, that's the nature of currencies whether they measure trust or capital or whatever form of that same underlying.
mircea_popescu: rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class << this is not properly called "devolve". this is improvement.
rithm: i added that "d" on the front
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now. << also, don't blow your btc stack on a seat.
mircea_popescu: the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music.
ben_vulpes: insurance! i was just thinking about putting 1 btc on no for "MPEx defaults by sept 2015"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu << no he's copying pete.
ben_vulpes: hey assholes i know a good idea when i see one
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jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it. << there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information
unseen: mircea_popescu:the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music. << so basically stack of 600BTC recommended for a seat at the table
unseen: will try the coinbr thing, though
midnightmagic: the statement of a trust factor is the person making the judgement. if the WoT is dual, then the person would conceivably be forced to make more than one update, so the win would be externalizing the cost in terms of time onto the end-users. a second WoT would be useful in the event that the trust statements were of non-overlapping domains, such as trading confidence vs. (say) physics capability. "I trust this guy to correctly
midnightmagic: work out awesome physics problems." "I don't trust this guy to trade bitcoins with, he keeps stealing meat off my BBQ when I'm not looking." Or better yet, more narrowly, "I trust this guy, but I don't trust his ability to evaluate other peoples' trust."
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unseen: danielpbarron will use it ;-)
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jurov: ben_vulpes they introduced t2.micro, should be better
jurov: but i suspect you just can't upgrade by restarting
mike_c: hey look, panacea made some pips today.
mike_c: generally you can change instance types by shutting down and switching.
jurov: found it: T2 instances require HVM AMIs. if you have non-HVM, must rebuild it.
ben_vulpes: luckily, my deploys are entirely scripted.
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moiety: my ears were burning form the logs XD
moiety: i saved my flat!!!!!! \o/
moiety: thank you! been really scared cus i only just got the thing
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jurov: moiety what do you think about doing video tutorial for gpg auth?
☟︎ jurov: it'd need to be extra for mac and extra for windows
moiety: can i please say "present" instead of "current" if it comes up?!
jurov: nope. say "contemporary"
moiety: lol XD as long as it doesn't sound like i'm saying cunt!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, it won't sound like that to other scots at least
moiety: i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better
moiety: ;; later tell mike_c happy to re-record your videos when better mic arrives if you would like
jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff
moiety: totally! just give me a script and i can tweak any bits once you hear it
jurov: just film yourself doing it.. or you're using linux, too?
jurov: anyone'd like to help with wondows/mac script then?
jurov: or if you don't have the hardware, someone other will do and you'll only voiceover
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jurov: okay, so we'll figure mac later
jurov: the script would be you installing gpg4win, first time registering with gribble and authentication
jurov: yes, would be good
jurov: all clear? and it can wait for better mic.
jurov: when done, we'll do the same for ios
dub: thats a lot of work for .5 you miser
jurov: well, you can throw something in the pot if you think it will be useful
jurov: moiety, dub thinks you're cheap :)
moiety: perhaps someone else would be better placed doing this actually
moiety: dub: i said yes when i didn't realise it was all the recording as well
jurov: well, now you realise. you can name the price
dub: make him do the screengrab for you to voice
BigBitz: there is a video for otc auth i think...
BigBitz: is that what you're planning to create?
BigBitz: if so I can also help out if necessary. I can show you how to do it on Mac with GPG command line. Really simple little script.
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moiety: I'd be happy to do the voice over
jurov: moiety, would it be so hard to recreate your own setup?
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moiety: I didn't say it would be hard
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moiety: i don't know when i'm going to get time to do this, is what i'm saying
thick_as_thieves: <+moiety> i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better // which?
moiety: unsure as yet thick_as_thieves all i know is i need a pop filter?
moiety: I have some other voice things to do
moiety: christ i didn't know they would be that much
moiety: i have no idea what it is, so i doubt it
moiety: sorry, theres a lot more to this than i initially thought
moiety: the advice is much appreciated, thank you thick_as_thieves
kakobrekla: re mic, you can get philips wm61a capsules for a few bucks each
kakobrekla: dunno i used it for spl measuring and stuff
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i had the same doubts and for response i got underscores thrown in my head.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'thick_as_thieves', with hostmask 'thick_as_thieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
mike_c: much better, cooler socks
moiety: thanks for the advice guys :] i think it will be a while before i can get set up withthat properly
moiety: o i like that... i like it all in together, less for me to break
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moiety: omg at that album thick_as_thieves :'D lolol
BingoBoingo: parellel construction seems likely for anything police in the US do these days
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah. 'anonymous tip' prolly belongs in scare quotes from now on.
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