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punkman: mircea_popescu: about that simulation, there are 20 bots, they meet everyone else 5 times and play for N rounds each time they meet, after each round there's a 0.995 probability they will stop.
mircea_popescu: so make 400 bots, 20 of each type, meet everyone 500 times and play for n where the probability is .95
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: forgot the '(yet)'.
mircea_popescu: 0.995 is bullshit, 200 rounds average ? wtf.
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, give them ego.
punkman: if anyone wants to describe a bot, I'll code it
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307282 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1165 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 47 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16351547351.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.45924
mircea_popescu: let's.
punkman: examples: https://github.com/tscizzle/IPD_Morality/blob/master/the_bots.py
assbot: IPD_Morality/the_bots.py at master tscizzle/IPD_Morality GitHub
mircea_popescu: specifically : a) each bot has a 0 to 20% chance of knowing how their opponent played against each other bot. this is fixed for the respective bot.
mircea_popescu: b) each bot has a 0 to 20% chance of knowing how their opponent player against each bot of their type
mircea_popescu: c) each bot has idem 0 to 20 of their type and also 0 to 5 of all types.
mircea_popescu: all bots know the adversary's hitory with themselves
mircea_popescu: now, on this information, each both has an ego, defined as the balance between the weight they give their own history vs the collected world history
mircea_popescu: a bot that takes a betrayal against itself as badly as a betrayal against the world has average ego.
mircea_popescu: the bot that only cares of its own history has max, and the bot that ignores its own has min.
mircea_popescu: these are also per-bot factors
mircea_popescu: then let them play.
asciilifeform: just one thing missing here
asciilifeform: what's a tourney without... a prize.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the prize is their life.
asciilifeform: lol
Mats_cd03: lol.
punkman: they get bigger number when they win
punkman: they like number
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: and srlsly, ditch the dumbass "total wot score" model they use
mircea_popescu: just count betrayals.
mircea_popescu: how people pretending to be in math and philosophy can be this fucking dumb is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: next they're going to count the holes in the mains socket to get the voltage.
punkman: the bots only know past moves during the current round as it is
mircea_popescu: yes but from what i've seen, as a sum
mircea_popescu: not as the all-crucial "he y'd you you n'd him"
punkman: no it's a list of all previous moves
mircea_popescu: a is it ?
mircea_popescu: that's ok then
punkman: (in the current round)
punkman: no knowledge about world/environment
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a bad thing, unless im having a brain fart
mircea_popescu: you run a bunch of worlds instead of just one
mircea_popescu: After seven years of the new regime, I had the opportunity to compare the class of 1999 with the class of 1992. In 1992 I set an course in Artificial Intelligence requiring students to solve six exercises, including building a Prolog interpreter. In 1999, six exercises had shrunk to one; which was a 12 line Prolog program for which eight weeks were allotted for students to write it. A special class was laid on for stu ☟︎
mircea_popescu: dents to learn this and many attended, including students who had attended a course incorporating logic programming the previous term. It was a battle to get the students to do this, not least because two senior lecturers criticised the exercise as presenting too much of a challenge to the students.
punkman: " should use only static initialization variables, randomness, and past moves in order to make a decision. No other state should be updated/saved/taken into account."
punkman: "TODO: Is that 'no other state' thing valid? What if a bot wants to do some behavior only once, but when exactly it does so is randomly determined? I believe this could require some saved information besides the history of moves, but this seems like a valid strategy."
mircea_popescu: moves can be used as a ticker
mircea_popescu: todo seems spurious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other screeds by tarver: http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog
assbot: Popular Essays
mircea_popescu: If a 12 year-old were to write 'I fink that Enid Blyton iz bettern than that Emily Bronte bint cos she has written loads more books' then one could reasonably excuse the spelling as reflective of the stupidity of the mind that produced the content.
mircea_popescu: i actually read this before.
punkman: I'm gonna call the form Iterated Closed-Bag Exchange, more relevant
punkman: *fork
asciilifeform: ^ tarver does not shit gold, not all necessarily worth reading
mircea_popescu: punkman not bad. ICBE
mircea_popescu: soon you'll get investors.
punkman: from Hofstadter: "Two people meet and exchange closed bags, with the understanding that one of them contains money, and the other contains a purchase. Either player can choose to honor the deal by putting into his or her bag what he or she agreed, or he or she can defect by handing over an empty bag."
mircea_popescu: punkman actually, this could have a direct application. let people back the bots, buy shares.
punkman: yeah it's not that hard to come up with a simple bot and enter the tournament
mircea_popescu: punkman for that matter, let people handpick lol
mircea_popescu: human bot impersonators, that's epic
mircea_popescu: hat we now have in academia is a situation where intelligent men and women prostitute themselves to an ideal which no intelligent person could believe. In short they are living a lie. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this, quite very much.
mircea_popescu: western women aspire to the respect of men, while living their western lives ?! lolk.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather respect indian hajira.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.05201126 = 1.9764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05201145 = 0.5201 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: from the loltraps: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2014/02/a-reader-writes-of-his-experience-among-the-dark-enlightenment-types.html
assbot: A Reader Writes of his Experience Among the Dark Enlightenment Types
mircea_popescu: "et in arcadia ego" dumbass.
asciilifeform: shoddy troll is shoddy, 'longcat is long,' news at 11
mircea_popescu: no dude. legolas, definiely legit.
mircea_popescu: - I never met any of the higher Eldars, but I did once meet an Eldar in Training. I don’t know his real name but people called him Legolas. He had long blond hair, was dressed like a 19th century count, and wore a pendant that had both a Christian Cross and Thor’s Hammer on it.
mircea_popescu: should be on reddit.
asciilifeform: (some weirdo actually sent me the link)
mircea_popescu: " The Dark Enlightenment allegedly has millions of dollars of money to play with."
mircea_popescu: orly.
mircea_popescu: what, like almost 1k btc ?
asciilifeform: i think that was meant to imply mr. thiel
mircea_popescu: Different forms of formal attire were required for each day (tuxedos, 3-piece suits, etc)
mircea_popescu: dude!
mircea_popescu: ah this is great lol
asciilifeform: ('island' - obvious tipoff)
mircea_popescu: "For the initial oath taking, everyone must swear on a copy of Darwin’s Origin of Species, just to show their fidelity to HBD"
asciilifeform: (thiel actually exists, is said to hang out with 'moldbuggerers')
mircea_popescu: ahgagaga wait, wait what
punkman: I put on my robe and wizard hat
mircea_popescu: i keep waiting for the biscuit already
mircea_popescu: they're doing the sweaing on the ilyad and drinking out of specially made pornoi cups
mircea_popescu: - They also have all their own secret handshakes, and their own terminology [like the Cathedral ("political correctness"), thedening ("re-establishing ethnic group identity"), genophilia ("love of one's own race"), NRx ("neoreaction"), etc.].
mircea_popescu: well i guess we gotta ipo it now
mircea_popescu: "But of course, cannibalism is not PC either and embracing something simply and solely on the basis that it is a “reaction” is one of the stupidest things humans can do. You can’t build a life on protest and reaction." <<< ahahaha
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking left is built on reaction, from the 60s onwards.
mircea_popescu: i would guess that yeah, you can't.
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 177 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 2k High: 235 Low: 222 VWAP: 222
BingoBoingo: %bok
BingoBoingo: %b
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160
moiety: i sensed biscuits. i should have an IPO of bear biscuits
mircea_popescu: moiety you can't possibly be privy to what i meant by biscuits ?!
moiety: i don't think i am at all
moiety: hence my leaps to shortbread in bear form
mircea_popescu: ah yeah.
mircea_popescu: ;;google cum biscuit
gribble: Soggy biscuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soggy_biscuit>; Urban Dictionary: cum biscuit: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cum%20biscuit>; Urban Dictionary: soggy biscuit: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soggy%20biscuit>
moiety: oh!
moiety: well then, i'll be shutting up now
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy this thing. guy builds a nice strawman, knocks it down, thanks god for disqus nobody's gonna bother him that way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.0008496 = 4.5454 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307288 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1159 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16357998925.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.50716
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.0008431 = 34.82 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.05037493 = 2.1157 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.04647775 = 2.9281 BTC [-] {14}
moiety: !up chax
moiety: hello
chax: Howdy!
moiety: :] what brings you here?
moiety: lol kbai
benkay: chax is working on a bitcoin-api-as-a-service thinger
moiety: !up chax thought i scared you there XD
moiety: thanks benkay
benkay: hey chax
benkay: slow sunday?
Mats_cd03: :(
benkay: such connection issues...
benkay: and from a SaaS vendor rep...
Mats_cd03: that title seems premature
Mats_cd03: is this the guy whos bsaas project was on hn front page today
benkay: wallet api?
benkay: nah
benkay: don't think so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04105652 = 0.9443 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04056994 = 0.6085 BTC [-]
moiety: i feel chax's pain, this mobile broadband life is irritating the hell out of me. mbb and gribble dont get along
moiety: have to release my nick and re-auth every other hour
benkay: miserable.
kakobrekla: bnc
Mats_cd03: use a bouncer.
Mats_cd03: or , if you are lazy like me , pay for the privilege -> irccloud
kakobrekla: yeah, you also get a nice free nsa backups with that
mircea_popescu: !up Yoko__
moiety: i thoughti had a bouncer built in with this and thats why i didnt timeout, will investigate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.035793 = 1.7897 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.035 = 1.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00082942 = 8.0039 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 155 @ 0.033 = 5.115 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.03283 = 3.283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00082811 = 20.6199 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.02200002 = 0.836 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.022 = 1.122 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.02131429 = 0.746 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ud cray
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cray | No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets people going.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 28 @ 0.02775205 = 0.7771 BTC [-] {9}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when I see OIX on mpex website still, makes me hope the options market comes back one day :(
mircea_popescu: maybe.
thestringpuller: maybe is better than never lol
benkay: gotta have a price signal first
thestringpuller: should just open up an exchange in antarctica
thestringpuller: or on the moon
moiety: i just saw a gribble for the first time! quite cute actually
Mats_cd03: http://newenergyandfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/The-Gribble-aka-Limnoria-quadripunctata.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00081766 = 13.0826 BTC [-]
benkay: tardigrade, but close
benkay: tardi gribble
benkay: late bots
moiety: ergh! Mats_cd03! ok so maybe not that one, he looks angry! imeant this one http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01247/gribble_1247958c.jpg
moiety: !up extra
moiety: !up pennies
moiety: !up Lycerion
extra: thanks
pennies: thank you
moiety: you're welcome :]
Lycerion: thanks
moiety: np :] welcome to -assets?
moiety: assets*
moiety: what do you do?
extra: mostly lose money trading
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09JVD4A.txt )
benkay: !b 2 ✂︎
benkay: ;;gettrust extra
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user extra: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=extra | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=extra | Rated since: never
pennies: so what is this place?
benkay: a house of ill repute
pennies: i want to be apart of this lovely place
pennies: i am a seeker of lovely places
benkay: ;;ident pennies
gribble: Nick 'pennies', with hostmask 'pennies!423790bb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.', is not identified.
benkay: i don't think apart means what you think it means, pennies
pennies: why?
benkay: well if one is apart from a thing one is not a part of it
benkay: ;;google define apart
gribble: Apart | Define Apart at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apart>; Apart - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apart>; Apart from - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apart%20from>
benkay: to or at one side, with respect to place, purpose, or function: to put money apart for education; to keep apart from the group out of pride.
benkay: but if you want to hang around, you both need to get into the web of trust
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust
gribble: #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>
pennies: i feel unwanted
Mats_cd03: benkay is a semantic asshole, don't take it personally
benkay: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mashed-potato-spillage-closes-yorkshire-road-for-five-hours-9554812.html
assbot: Mashed potato spillage closes Yorkshire road for five hours - Home News - UK - The Independent
benkay: well pennies why would anyone want you?
benkay: gotta d that h v
Mats_cd03: moiety: heh
moiety: lol extra
extra: sup moiety
benkay: semantic asshole
moiety: how do people find here without knowing what it is
moiety: or looking at topics
extra: who says I didn't read the topic
moiety: not you extra, i meant pennies
moiety: !up chax
extra: pennies is just a retard
extra: but we love him
moiety: welcome back chax
moiety: oh you all know each other? how so?
extra: random btc trading channels
Mats_cd03: what do i look like? a poet? shit
moiety: lmao at the mashed potato benkay, reminds me of the overflowing pizza dough
benkay: Mats_cd03: wouldja put that in my rating pplease? "semantic asshole"
benkay: i thought you'd appreciate that moiety
Mats_cd03: as it is in heaven
moiety: well extra this is the most useful channel in bitcoinland, the logs are a good place to begin :]
moiety: i did benkay :D
moiety: also updated guide is in the wiki
moiety: hi peterl
peterl: hi moiety and everybody
benkay: how've you been sir
benkay: !up extra
moiety: kakobrekla, Mats_cd03 .. is psyBNC ok enough to use?
moiety: !up Lycerion
nubbins`: pbbt
thestringpuller: nubbins`: what's da stats on dat shirt
benkay: oh holy hell logsearch is great
thestringpuller: no rush
thestringpuller: is it still too late to get trackign added?
mthreat: benkay: thanks!
thestringpuller: yea mthreat gangsta shit
benkay: mthreat: mostly 'cause you put my name on the front
mthreat: oldest trick in the book
benkay: ;;rate mthreat 1 knows who to pay off
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mthreat has changed from 1 to 1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4289 @ 0.0008182 = 3.5093 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: got bored, thought I'd read last year's logs from this day
Mats_cd03: bitcoin935:voorhees can pay me for my shares im even considering flying out to panama where violence is a way of life
Mats_cd03: bitcoin935:voorhees is going to get whats coming to him
Mats_cd03: where is your god now
thestringpuller: HOLY SHIT
thestringpuller: that's funny as fuck
mthreat: benkay: I'm noticing from the log - it looks like "from: username" isn't being parsed right, remove the space to make it work right
mthreat: (from the http log, i mean)
mthreat: or really just searching for 'username' with no field specifier will work because I put the irc nick in the default search field
benkay: yeah that's weird
benkay: glad that shit's not my problem :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
thestringpuller: lol bitcoin-assets will develop irc tools that will give irccloud a run for their money...
thestringpuller: lol
Mats_cd03: moiety: ya i have heard good things about it
thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2013#97671 << dayyumn ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
dub: didn't it hit close to 5?
benkay: no but don't get me wrong mthreat - it's awesome and i'm quite thrilled to have it
thestringpuller: lol...history...fuck...gettin' old
benkay: but from's behavior is totally weird
Mats_cd03: meanwhile goat brags about 4M in fiat to random
Mats_cd03: cute
mthreat: benkay: you mean the fact that "from: username" doesn't parse right?
thestringpuller: whatever happened to goat? Do I have to just read or can someone give me tl;dr ?
nubbins`: not sure
Namworld: He's living the good life in thailand I think
nubbins`: still on the forums
Mats_cd03: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
thestringpuller: i'd always call him the king of thailand and he would always say not to joke about that because they'd kill him if they caught someone calling him that...
Namworld: Pops around ever other month
Mats_cd03: lol.
thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2013#196389 << LOL! ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2013#96976 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Mats_cd03: what kind of gullible fuck pays to bang a virgin?
xmj: this channel is publicly logged, right?
joecool: do you really have to ask
Mats_cd03: bet the guy spends his time bragging about how famous he is in the bitcoin community
Mats_cd03: to naked minors in some whorehouse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.04132944 = 1.8598 BTC [-] {9}
xmj: joecool: the answer determines my answer to Mats_cd03's question.
xmj: :-)
thestringpuller: nubbins`: what do you mean by still on the forums?
nubbins`: still active there
thestringpuller: as for the stats of the shirts?
thestringpuller: is the forums?
Mats_cd03: Chaang-Noi:we are not 1005 sure what pirate did was fruad
thestringpuller: lol i iz confused...
Mats_cd03: Chaang-Noi:some claim it to be a ponzi
nubbins`: sorry, i was talking about goat
Mats_cd03: Chaang-Noi:but no proff
thestringpuller: Oh hah I'm reading my logs non linearly in time
nubbins`: too late to add express shipping, shirt's in the mail ;(
thestringpuller: kk
thestringpuller: how long does it usually take to ship into america?
Mats_cd03: Chaang-Noi:and he is not in jai
nubbins`: i added an extra in yours and danielpbarron's packages
nubbins`: 5-6 business days
thestringpuller: extra shirt?
nubbins`: you might get it friday
nubbins`: extra surprise :D
thestringpuller: OH BOI!
thestringpuller: I like surprises.
thestringpuller: whatever happened to Diablo-D3? Didn't he have some million dollar datacenter idea he would always talk about?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: ;;seen Diablo-D3
gribble: Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> like those hilariously large faux horse dildos
nubbins`: the things people say right before they stop saying things
thestringpuller: 2 weeks ain't that long ago
thestringpuller: ;;seen Nefario
gribble: Nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 38 weeks, 5 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nefario
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nefario: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nefario | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nefario | Rated since: Tue Jul 12 22:55:49 2011
nubbins`: i gotta sleep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04154292 = 0.5816 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04089371 = 0.6543 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: xmj: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: Assets Assimilated
xmj: benkay: yeah, it was more of a rhethorical question to make a point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00080148 = 30.1757 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <moiety> how do people find here without knowing what it is << personally, i blame you!
moiety: mircea_popescu: good blame though right?! lol it's the manuls, not me! >.>
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04001012 = 3.2008 BTC [-] {3}
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/062214-halfway-difficulty/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00080082 = 2.4025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.027 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04 = 0.84 BTC [+] {4}
Namworld: Hmm, I sent an email out. Got a few replies. Still a lot of people who don't answer.
Namworld: Some people just don't want to be repaid,
assbot: extra +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
moiety: ;; rate extra 2 #bitcoin-assets voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user extra has been recorded.
moiety: don't make me regret that extra :]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04556999 = 0.5468 BTC [+] {3}
extra: thanks bb
moiety: theres only one BB here XD but np, you obviously read the guides, logs are next. lots to soak in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04904967 = 0.9319 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: Namworld: at least you tried :]
cazalla: little to contribute, much to learn - how does that sit with others who have come to that realisation here? ☟︎
moiety: you can learn to contribute the more information you are armed with
moiety: unless epically retarded - those cant be helped
dub: heh, -assets doxxes NSA two weeks before snowden
moiety: ratings aren't set in stone
dub: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013#18961 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
dub: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013#19577 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
cazalla: i learn something new here every day moiety but little point parroting it back, a little humbling if anything, just an interesting self observation after being here a while now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.05479963 = 1.6988 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32359 @ 0.00079998 = 25.8866 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: i learn a lot i wasn't expecting to cazalla :D youre right it is humbling. i just try to make it up be being useful in whatever way i can be (manuls aside)
moiety: !up darlidada
moiety: hello
Namworld: I only need to repay 9.04 BTC to people who haven't replied, fortunately.
Namworld: I also owe 178 BTC to large holders but those replied.
Namworld: Getting there slowly.
moiety: you're not giving up which is the main thing Namworld :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9280 @ 0.00079998 = 7.4238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00080082 = 3.7238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00080126 = 11.6984 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !up Diablo-D3
thestringpuller: !up Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: [12:13:01] <thestringpuller> whatever happened to Diablo-D3? Didn't he have some million dollar datacenter idea he would always talk about?
Diablo-D3: Ive been working on it actually
thestringpuller: shouldn't you start by gpg authing to get voice :P
Diablo-D3: I dont feel like being hassled with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18768 @ 0.00080137 = 15.0401 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.0008029 = 32.9992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6409 @ 0.00080657 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: fucking phone spammers man
punkman: they just called 3 times to sell me a new ISP
punkman: ninjashogun at least uses IRC http://i.imgur.com/oPHttO0.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18286 @ 0.00080747 = 14.7654 BTC [+]
punkman: !up Ignatius-otc
moiety: punkman: lolololol "go die" "ok just so you know, the terms are..." classic ninjashogun
moiety: not unlike the cambots i keep getting on skype
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26722 @ 0.00081084 = 21.6673 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet created: "LeBron James to take his talents elsewhere" http://bitbet.us/bet/960/
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmc4vhaI8-I
assbot: Peter Tevis & Ennio Morricone - A Gringo Like Me - YouTube
[]bot: Bet created: "Magnus Carlsen Chess World Champion 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/961/
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_6djrXQuQ
assbot: ENNIO MORRICONE LIVE IN ZRICH - The Ecstasy of Gold - 13.2.2014 - YouTube
cazalla: thought that name looked familiar
cazalla: here's to you, only one i know though
[]bot: Bet created: "Obama Approval Rating over 45% in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/962/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00081295 = 15.0396 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/10916470/Canadian-woman-who-stopped-car-to-help-ducks-faces-life-in-jail-after-causing-fatal-crash.html
assbot: Canadian woman who stopped car to help ducks faces life in jail after causing fatal crash - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00081084 = 14.9932 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10918321/Football-match-fixing-deal-casts-cloud-over-World-Cup.html
assbot: Football match-fixing deal casts cloud over World Cup - Telegraph
pankkake: oh, "to help ducks". I was reading it as "to help duck faces"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8659 @ 0.00081295 = 7.0393 BTC [+]
moiety: nothing can help duck faces pankkake it's a terminal disease
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05499993 = 0.715 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.0008205 = 34.7072 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00081998 = 7.6668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00081998 = 2.5009 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05499992 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00081969 = 13.3609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00081587 = 21.7021 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0541 = 1.082 BTC [-]
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.0
assbot: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL)
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=653207.msg7444672#msg7444672
assbot: Cryptsy - Time for Paul Vernon To Come Clean | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18042 @ 0.0008156 = 14.7151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19321806 = 1.1593 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.msg7428899#msg7428899 << OMG Great post!!!
assbot: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL)
pankkake: if that is true, yet another forum vip scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.msg7429617#msg7429617
assbot: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL)
pankkake: and of course Goat is on every bitcoin scam apparently
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.msg7444427#msg7444427
assbot: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.05499992 = 1.485 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/bitbetus/internet/bitbetus-Is-something-you-should-really-AVOID-1155798
assbot: Ripoff Report | bitbet.us Complaint Review Internet: 1155798
kakobrekla: ok lol, bitbet.us will scam you playing blackjack, did you know?
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1882B7N.txt
kakobrekla: idiots
kakobrekla: what they are doing is extortion, and being bad at it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.05499983 = 1.485 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: "Aribitrate"
punkman: kakobrekla: bitbet.com does blackjack
kakobrekla: aha
kakobrekla: well whatever.
kakobrekla: it sez .us on the first link
dub: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00081441 = 14.5372 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hi
Mats_cd03: hi qt
nubbins`: :0
Mats_cd03: whats new
nubbins`: nm, just bought a new printer
Mats_cd03: what for
nubbins`: we have a book printing job and the old one broke last night :(
Mats_cd03: bummer
nubbins`: we got a lot of use out of it, at least
Mats_cd03: good for scrap, at least?
nubbins`: still ok for casual use
nubbins`: probably just needs a new drum
nubbins`: well. another new drum
nubbins`: but you can't give clients pages with toner speckled all over 'em
nubbins`: but! on the bright side, this new one is color. and does wifi.
BingoBoingo imagines when nubbins says his new printer is color that it is pink
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: r u located in us?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 583.0, Best ask: 584.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 584.0, 24 hour volume: 4049.70046702, 24 hour low: 580.46, 24 hour high: 602.0, 24 hour vwap: 589.903384868
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Prolly
BingoBoingo: In the hat region
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: id like to print a few (4) tech manuals n things that r ~1000 pages ea. interested?
Mats_cd03: im a sucker for dead trees
Mats_cd03: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/23/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0EY0Q120140623 countdown to caliphate
assbot: Kerry presses Maliki as Iraq loses control of Syrian, Jordanian borders| Reuters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05258336 = 1.5775 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05010324 = 1.0021 BTC [-] {4}
TomServo: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/bitcoin-crypto-justice.pdf
TomServo attempts to retain the contents of his stomach.
TomServo: Great crypto justice!
Mats_cd03: lol anon authors with names of characters from hbo silicon valley
dignork: Mats_cd03: "The presented work has been conducted by"
dignork: five anonymous students guided by prof. Johan
dignork: Pouwelse at the Delft University of Technology
Mats_cd03: yes
dignork: Illuminate the path to crypto-justice - priceless
Mats_cd03: redundant. crypto is justice.
thestringpuller: ;;seen jborkl
gribble: jborkl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <jborkl> haha :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14958 @ 0.00081466 = 12.1857 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza" http://bitbet.us/bet/951/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 36(Y):64(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.19821016 BTC. Current weight: 38,070.
fluffypony: HELLO FRIENDS
fluffypony: plane boarding in 2 hours
Blazedout419: what plane would that be
fluffypony: Blazedout419: going to Estonia
Blazedout419: O_o
Naphex: what's up in estonia?
fluffypony: Naphex: going to a conference at Malla
jurov: fluffypony and where are you atm?
fluffypony: and hanging out with xmj
fluffypony: jurov: Johannesburg
jurov: oh... i thought you're already somewhere in eu changing planes
fluffypony: there are 3 different business lounges I have access to, so I'm on my second one
fluffypony: jurov: no, I came up to Jhb on Friday so I could see friends and visit my 84 year old grandmother
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15658 @ 0.00081512 = 12.7631 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The tortilla conference?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yes
fluffypony: it'll either be fun, or batshit insane
BingoBoingo: Is refried beans and queso also showing up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32850 @ 0.00081229 = 26.6837 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: What about Al Pastor?
mthreat: maybe Menudo will play
fluffypony: lol
Mats_cd03: mmm i think ill get chipotle today
fluffypony: BingoBoingo started a trend
Mats_cd03: ever had a quesarito?
mthreat: damn i miss chipotle
fluffypony: no
fluffypony: I've only had Mexican food two or three times
fluffypony: there is a decent enough Mexican restaurant in Cape Town
Mats_cd03: a quesarito is a burrito with the shell of a quesadilla, melted cheese between two tortillas
fluffypony: but we mostly went for the margaritas
fluffypony: oh nice
Mats_cd03: fattening as fuck
Mats_cd03: bet its like ~1100 cals har har
fluffypony: moving to next lounge, bbiab
jurov: orly, flying to eu to meet tortilla of all people?
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2FJDGBF.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 7 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: There's two tortillas?
assbot: rithm +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Apocalyptic: !up rithm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00080741 = 23.6571 BTC [-] {4}
Apocalyptic: !up rithm
Apocalyptic: damn
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 177 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
rithm: fu assbot
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: might be a hard shell on the inside, its been a while
Apocalyptic: !up rithm
rithm: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is not identified.
Blazedout419: oh no who let rithm in here
rithm kicks and stabs assbot
Blazedout419: rithm I got tracking on our coins today!
rithm: whew that was a lot of hacking just to talk
rithm: i'm tired now
rithm: this 2 factor voice just makes me want to stalk and watch everyone
rithm: mp asked about logs and i realized i wasn't even here
rithm: that's the result of your assbot
Apocalyptic: the question is do you have them ?
Apocalyptic: oh you mean you weren't here back in 2011/2012 ?
rithm: nope
rithm: yes
rithm: i request was made for inception to present
rithm: which i cannot fulfill
Apocalyptic: sounds about right
rithm: something private, maybe
rithm: a whole channel log, no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.04936878 = 1.1849 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.048 = 0.768 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04601997 = 1.3346 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot rithm
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user rithm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=rithm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rithm | Rated since: Tue May 6 14:03:45 2014
rithm: ~/.xchat2$ cat scrollback/jcph.am-Freenode/#bitcoin-assets
rithm: whoops
rithm: raise the roof
rithm: stop nick highlighting me i'm trying to work over here
Apocalyptic: dat jcpham
rithm: don't hack me
benkay: i don't know what to make of all this
benkay: why the new nick, rithm/jcpham?
fluffypony: dat fake gpg keyz
fluffypony: rithm knows what I'm talking aboooooot
Apocalyptic: benkay, I asked the same a while ago, got a not so serious answer
rithm: i'm not sure new is a proper adjective
benkay: adjectives aside, why?
rithm: to describe what is taking place
fluffypony: the last time rithm was serious Clinton was still in office
rithm: ok let's look at benkay I assume that's some amalgamation of your real world name
rithm: 100 assumption
benkay: i don't have time for socratic crap this morning.
benkay: are you distancing your afk name from your irc handle?
rithm: ok wel jcpham goes back along fucking ways i decided to no longer use it anymore
rithm: fuck the internet i'll do whatever i want
Mats_cd03: what a baller
benkay: what's the story with those -10's?
rithm: i pissed off the wrong scammer one day?
bitcoinpete: heya
rithm: all the supakilla accounts are mine too
benkay: oh, all scammer shit
rithm: do i need to confess to anything else
Mats_cd03: do you own altcoins
Apocalyptic: heh
Apocalyptic: he missed the doge boat
rithm: some doge and litecoin and abazillion XRP
rithm: next question
benkay: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=supa // now that's p funny
assbot: Rating Details for User 'supa'
rithm: that guy sucks and tried to ruin a lot of ratings for no reasons
rithm: he still scams
bitcoinpete: wondering who did the admin for http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/ … kakobrekla ?
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 13 hours ago
rithm: he's one of the "top 4 scammers"
Apocalyptic: yeah he does...
benkay: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:supa&start=120
assbot: from:supa
bitcoinpete: benkay: that's an insane number of -10s!
rithm: those -10's a re merit badges in my mind
rithm: also i named all my kids with the same initials
rithm: so jcpham making a comeback in 10 years
rithm: once jcpham learns to computer again
Mats_cd03: get your wife to change her name
rithm: she already did!
rithm: wham and i'm out
Mats_cd03: same initials?
Mats_cd03: reminds me of lyndon b johnson: wife is ladybird, daughters are lynda bird and luci baines
Mats_cd03: bunch of weirdos.
rithm: +1 rithm is weirdo
fluffypony: I thought rithm is a dancer?
Apocalyptic: rithm is all the things
rithm: rithm is the real fluffypony
fluffypony: rithm: as your GPG signed message proved :-P
rithm: all other ponies are immatators
fluffypony: so won't the real fluffypony please stand up
fluffypony: please stand up
fluffypony: please stand up
rithm: obv i knew how to use freeshell long before the kids
rithm: didn't try to hide very well though
rithm: so i usually find myself jealous of "fluffypony" "Apocalyptic"
rithm: many many many moons ago when tones still did stuff on phones
fluffypony: lol
rithm: there was a kid named rithm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00080566 = 13.0114 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: and BO2k was the shit
rithm: rithm_phreak
rithm: but this was so long ago
rithm: it seems like another reality
rithm: so you know, i was like /nickserv info rithm
rithm: woohoo new nick done.
rithm: then i went to #freenode and got me cloak changed
bitcoinpete: benkay: the startle was from my intoxicating confidence. those poor girls hadn't the faintest clue where they went wrong.
rithm: the rest is history.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate rithm 1 weirdo
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user rithm has been recorded.
rithm: ty ty ty
rithm: it was a pain getting the allow mask changed on all the secret channels
rithm: are any of the mining based assets not "turds"
fluffypony: like #rithm ?
rithm: or is the mining turd still prevalent
fluffypony: rithm: no, the mining assets are all turds - many are outright scams, the rest are USD profitable and not BTC profitable
fluffypony: a few have managed to get lucky
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell kakobrekla on the costa rica bet, http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/#b11 was made around 55' mark of the game. the team clinched after the final whistle was blown at 90+4'. Granted, this is close. But how close is too close in world cup betting? ☟︎
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 14 hours ago
gribble: The operation succeeded.
rithm: #bitcoin-rithm is where we spin-the-bottle and decide if Willy trends up or down
rithm: BTC profitable usually involves arbitration and a lot of liquidity
rithm: asicminer you used to be able to play in
rithm: USD profitable is a joke.
fluffypony: exactly
fluffypony: might as well just sit on your Bitcoin
rithm: mmmhmmm
rithm: or dollar cst average and buy it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32657 @ 0.00079973 = 26.1168 BTC [-] {3}
xmj: fluffypony: did you get my sms?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78533443 BTC to 9`559 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
benkay: bitcoinpete: i'm looking forward to my 10year
bitcoinpete: this was basically mine
bitcoinpete: though highly impromptu
bitcoinpete: it was better for it
bitcoinpete: less pretense, less expectation
bitcoinpete: more impact
benkay: gonna rent a trabamborghini
mircea_popescu: !up _flow_
benkay: and a roflcopter
bitcoinpete: is the roflcopter big enough to carry the trambo to the party?
mircea_popescu: could be a lolbambo
mircea_popescu: mix everything
asciilifeform: lulzerati
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: WE ARE TEH LULZERATI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15061 @ 0.00079972 = 12.0446 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: as long as it's hilariously italian lol
mircea_popescu: we control the derpitudinal and the herpiginal
mircea_popescu: or wahs it herpical
benkay: hm maybe i'll duct tape the trabamborghini to the roflcopter and float to the con
benkay: although there *is* a dock, i could always take the derpmarine
bitcoinpete: the lulz that bind should obviate the need for tape
mircea_popescu: btw i just got a message from the high council of the darkerati legolas of the something or the other, i forget (it was properly inside a dildo impaled in the cloaca of a messenger crow tho, so there's no doubt as to authenticity)
mircea_popescu: apparently we have to pick our colors for bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: so what we do, pink-and-yellow ?
benkay: silver and red for maximum migrane factor
mircea_popescu: i think that's purple and purple
ThickAsThieves: i just logged in to say purple
mircea_popescu: AHAHA
mircea_popescu: epic beaten
ThickAsThieves: we are royalty after all
BingoBoingo: http://paulford.kinja.com/wait-we-didnt-have-a-cms-team-1593914473
assbot: FOR THE LOVE OF CONTENT MANAGEMENT I AM GOING TO LEARN ABOUT KINJA which apparently has headline limits in length no actually it just has a counter regarding headline length and it's unclear exactly how long headlines can be and if they can be really long or not, but one thing is clear and that is that headlines can't have italics anyway this headline [oh no according to Twitter, which is apparently where you go for Kinja documentation, you can h
mircea_popescu: speak for yourself. i'm self made.
ThickAsThieves: gotta be that shade that doesnt exist anymore too
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves beetlejuice purple ?
ThickAsThieves: made from the winds of extinct dragonflies or whatever
ThickAsThieves: wings*
mircea_popescu: dude, if it were made from the winds...
mircea_popescu: either farts or wing turbulence.
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: what are your colors? oh, nothing unusual, wind
mircea_popescu: we sound pretty wicca.
BingoBoingo: Eh, why not just use a couple thousand shades of purple arranged such that no two splotches have a delta greater than 3
mircea_popescu: our colors are wind and that shot of pain urmom felt that one time.
BingoBoingo: Picking colors I think the priority should be, what would be the biggest pain in nubbins` ass...
ThickAsThieves: deep blues are the hardest
mircea_popescu: Mr. Brown: Lemme tell you what 'Like a Virgin' is about. It's all about this cooze who's a regular fuck machine, I'm talking morning, day, night, afternoon, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick. Then one day she meets this John Holmes motherfucker and it's like, whoa baby, I mean this cat is like Charles Bronson in the 'Great Escape', he's digging tunnels. Now, she's gettin' the serious dick action and
mircea_popescu: she's feeling something she ain't felt since forever. Pain. Pain. It hurts her. It shouldn't hurt her, you know, her pussy should be Bubble Yum by now, but when this cat fucks her it hurts. It hurts just like it did the first time. You see the pain is reminding a fuck machine what it once was like to be a virgin. Hence, 'Like a Virgin'.
ThickAsThieves: to get them blue without being purple is hard
mircea_popescu: cymk process sucks huh.
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: solvent ink has higher gamut
ThickAsThieves: and if he screenprints it, any color is easy
ThickAsThieves: i dont think he does offset
ThickAsThieves: otherwise
ThickAsThieves: what's getting printed anyway?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: is it still too late to get trackign added? <<< ahahaha no dude, it was too late before, but we've been doing -t for a while so now it's too early
mircea_popescu: o.O
HeySteve: hi mircea_popescu, I'd like to talk about F.DERP now if that's convenient
mircea_popescu: shoot.
HeySteve: ok the companies concerned are BitPay and BitGo?
mircea_popescu: so far, yes.
mircea_popescu: mthreat http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tits+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue << ok that shit's epic.
assbot: tits from:mircea haslink:true
HeySteve: ok from the original post (checking for new ones) I take it the reasoning is that they're overvalued?
mircea_popescu: well, more properly put, the reasoning is that they will never make in the course of their business enough money to pay back that round of investment.
mircea_popescu: so someone with 30mn looking to invest in bitcoin would have been better served by buying bitcoin than participating in the series a.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is a very old story : with the exception of mpex listed corps, it is universally true of any other exchange or broad group.
mircea_popescu: be it glbse or us based vc investments.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00080808 = 11.0707 BTC [+]
HeySteve: I don't know much about BitGo honestly, but it seems the success of BitPay is very closely linked with Bitcoin's success. doesn't that make this something of a bet against Bitcoin's continued merchant adoption?
mircea_popescu: the success of bitpay has exactly zero to do with the success of bitcoin, is the problem.
mircea_popescu: they're trying to leech it, which only works for so long. what's worse, their burn rate is killing them.
thestringpuller: hahahaha
HeySteve: ok it sounds like you've taken a very close look into their financials. could you explain what you mean by burn rate?
asciilifeform: 'bitpay' is to btc use is as 'wine' (winblows emulation gizmo) is to the use of linux.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: lol bitcoin-assets will develop irc tools that will give irccloud a run for their money... << will ? seriously ? show me irc tools that can compare.
ThickAsThieves: bitpay also has to worry about someone like PayPal coming in "Thanks for warming our seat!"
mircea_popescu: HeySteve burn rate is a common concept in start-ups
mircea_popescu: the rate at which they spend money.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what if I change will to is?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aptly put, i would say.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller deal.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves precisely. no barrier to entry
mircea_popescu: coinbase is already moving into that, with no difficulty.
mircea_popescu: of course, coinbase is a piece of shit, but there';s no requirement that next competitor is also a piece of shit
HeySteve: any plans to add further companies?
ThickAsThieves: bitpay/coinbase only chance is landing exclusive contracts with poor terms for the merchant (still a leech job)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: what kind of gullible fuck pays to bang a virgin? << if you pay to fuck in general, why not.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve yes, as mentioned in the article. any corps that make bold claims in the future will go in there.
Mats_cd03: it'd be boring, thats why.
ThickAsThieves: this is why they brag and compete over new notable merchants, it's all they have - those contract terms
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Bitpay is sponsoring a fucking bowl game. They probably spent ~10% of their last round on a notoriously poor form of advertising.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the guy's own money! he can spend it any old way he wants!
Mats_cd03: indeed
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a business model based on tricking people isn't a good match for ipo anyway
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo forced mistakes.
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, yeah I saw that... will it at least be seen on national TV?
ThickAsThieves: i dont mind BitPay though, they are taking one for the team
ThickAsThieves: go ahead an advertise the shit outta bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: their loss, our gain
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't mind them either, honestly, but a) people found out about gallippi's past, and generally, the thing's coming apart. gotta cut them loose.
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: It will be on ESPN with the fifty or so other bowl games that happen in december
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.05003824 = 0.9007 BTC [-] {3}
HeySteve: so is to correct to F.DERP as a hedge fund?
mircea_popescu: dub:heh, -assets doxxes NSA two weeks before snowden << ain't history a wunderbar thing :D
mircea_popescu: HeySteve yeah, i suppose it would be.
HeySteve: right, and BitGo, what is the reasoning behind including them?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, it's kinda a sad hedge, being that those companies are relying on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: bitcoin shit is weird by nature, but hedge fund generally means "this pool of money doing exotic shit"
mircea_popescu: HeySteve that they announced a 10mn round. from the article :
mircea_popescu: For everyi Series A / seed funding announced by the circlejerk that is either in excess of 1 million USD or for a company valued through such funding over 100 million USD, I will create a synthetic asset on MPEx.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/
assbot: Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
HeySteve: ah ha
HeySteve: so it's decided purely on their funding?
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Here's last year's line up of bowl games. http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
assbot: College Bowl Games - 2013-14 College Bowl Game Scores and Schedules - ESPN
mircea_popescu: cazalla: little to contribute, much to learn - how does that sit with others who have come to that realisation here? << i just try to pretend it's philosophy :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00080808 = 3.2323 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: someone needs to make sure these VCs know about your offer, they can haz MOAR BitPay
mircea_popescu: HeySteve on their alleged funding, yes.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves by the set of lawsuit threats i would guess they know.
ThickAsThieves: nice
ThickAsThieves: on what grounds?
ThickAsThieves: you said our name in a thing!
mircea_popescu: uh... believe it or not, mostly sec regulation
ThickAsThieves: i see
mircea_popescu: funny how blinders work, you know ? these people have... finance lawyers. who went to school and lived in a pond
mircea_popescu: what do you mean this guy could not care less ? that is not possible ?
HeySteve: well... it seems many startups are raking in king's ransoms just because there's a lot of enthusiasm around Bitcoin... so by shorting, you are risking exposure to these kind of bubbles?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2560 @ 0.00080902 = 2.0711 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yes. can you name people that got rich in the dot com bubble ?
mircea_popescu: name a dozen, then see what % did it by shorting it.
HeySteve: hmm many got rich then poor in quick succession
HeySteve: few were wise enough to sell or short at the top
mircea_popescu: (and i don't mean "were briefly rich during the bubble". i mean "are rich today and were not before that")
ThickAsThieves: sounds like these bitcoin company CEOs
mircea_popescu: Namworld: Getting there slowly. << what's your horizon, next year like ?
HeySteve: I think mostly the guys who sold their companies during the mania made out like bandits
HeySteve: investors not so much
mircea_popescu: so the guys who... SHORTED IT
ThickAsThieves: i dont think the btc startup bubble will be nearly as bad
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves bet ?
ThickAsThieves: in dollars
mircea_popescu: fu :D
HeySteve: I hear what you're saying, the art is in the timing
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: what i mean is,
mircea_popescu: HeySteve no timing involved. if you sell your corp in the bubble and walk away you shorted the bubble.
ThickAsThieves: i think the need to buy bitocin in addition to any VC investment related to a bitcoin co is obvious
ThickAsThieves: and thus theyll all do it
ThickAsThieves: and save some skin
mircea_popescu: obvious, to whom.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu yes in a sense, I know a guy who was offered a fortune for his finance site but held on
ThickAsThieves: tony
ThickAsThieves: barry
ThickAsThieves: etc
mircea_popescu: stuff like f.derp is MAKING it obvious
mircea_popescu: but no, it's not obvious.
ThickAsThieves: maybe youre right
mircea_popescu: HeySteve is he rich ?
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt always obvious to me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves never estimate just how lemming-like finance types are/.
mircea_popescu: it can't be done.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, he's very comfortable I'd say, retired now, but he could have been loaded
mircea_popescu: that's the one profession that most selects for lemming qualities. more so than military even
mircea_popescu: HeySteve mkay.
HeySteve: yeah moneyweb.co.za if you're interested
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, any similar products to F.DERP which you're aware of?
ThickAsThieves: cuz all the accountibility leads to all these illusions of predicting things
mircea_popescu: punkman: they just called 3 times to sell me a new ISP << they call my phone here too. to sell me... comcast and shit.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not really. i don't think the world has spawned yet such an asshole so as to be able to match with me.
asciilifeform: comcast in Ar ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no fucking idea.
ThickAsThieves: mp can you use your power to break comcast?
HeySteve: mircea_popescu heh some people probably won't appreciate this fund, but it expands an investor's options so I don't see the downside
mircea_popescu: but daily call logs have at the end : "spam - comcast, netflix, pizzahut" etc
ThickAsThieves: thx
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the downside is that it sinks the hype, which is a very major problem.
asciilifeform: u.s. phone extension ?
mircea_popescu: the entire vc circuit lives out of hype.
mircea_popescu: so in their perspective, this is a disaster of commons sort of situation : a bunch of people work to inflate bubbles, all it takes to ruin theireffort is one guy with a pin
mircea_popescu: 11-6542-5529
rithm: yeah lemming-like
mircea_popescu: o hay josh
rithm: there's a certain judge and we just (not i) a suborndinate installed his new computer
rithm: ira balances laying out
rithm: checking out balances laying about
rithm: no personal security
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, why not just create futures or some other instruments over these companies, which could be traded long or short?
rithm: howdy mircea
mircea_popescu: punkman1 lol who's popeofdope ?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve too much hassle with future chains. if you want them short you buy f.derp, if you want them long you just get to select d.whatever
mircea_popescu: this because logically nobody who wants them short cares which
mircea_popescu: whereas people wanting them long prolly want to stock pick
ThickAsThieves: btw ive been sending some traders to check out bitbet, hopefully some stick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00080902 = 18.8502 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the SR auction is the talk of the town
HeySteve: mircea_popescu ok and you say these are synthetic instruments... this means you don't own or have borrowed any shares in the companies?
mircea_popescu: any by sent you mean referral ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
ThickAsThieves: but also verbal chatting up
mircea_popescu: HeySteve not directly.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nice.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Canadian woman who stopped car to help ducks faces life in jail after causing fatal crash - Telegraph << hallellujah.
ThickAsThieves: commenters saying i stole the bet wording! slander
mircea_popescu: pankkake: and of course Goat is on every bitcoin scam apparently << he just pumps them.
mircea_popescu: i was wondering where's pankkake
HeySteve: ok thanks, I think that covers it. I have written up some pre-amble then will add these lines verbatim apart from adding capitalisation and punctuation. will ask if any further questions come up.
mircea_popescu: no problem.
asciilifeform: http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Moneytoilet_2ecom
assbot: Halfbakery: Moneytoilet.com
rithm: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/tally-of-cyber-extortion-attacks-on-tech-companies-grows/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&
rithm: what a long url
mircea_popescu: ?_php=true
mircea_popescu: now that's epic.
mthreat: and twice
mthreat: in case the first one didn't work
rithm: hey i just copied and pasted it
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it be ?___php====true ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00080808 = 20.606 BTC [-]
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0B8VQ7Q.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 7 ✂︎
HeySteve: Dogecoin getting copyright trolled - "Ultra Pro International, a case and sleeve company, announced plans to trademark the word “Doge.”"
mircea_popescu: they never tm'd it ?
mircea_popescu: not possible.
HeySteve: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-users-outraged-trademark/2014/06/23
assbot: Dogecoin Users Outraged Over Trademark
mircea_popescu: awww lol
rithm: it _was_ a ripoff of another alt, so they might have overlooked that purposefully
rithm: or still is
mircea_popescu: HeySteve o wait, were you with the one crypto news site i kinda liked ?
mthreat: there are "Caffe del Doge" in buenos aires
rithm: kaynecoin sued though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00080808 = 9.697 BTC [-]
HeySteve: yeah mircea_popescu, the one I linked to above
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust HeySteve
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask HeySteve!HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HeySteve: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=HeySteve | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=HeySteve | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 02:49:55 2014
rithm: yeah i stumbled on someone from this channel's blog last night accidentally
mircea_popescu: ;;rate HeySteve 1 cryptocoinsnews reporter.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
HeySteve: cool I should rate you also, plus quite a few others
mircea_popescu: who's the admin there ?
HeySteve: David Parker (alias)
mircea_popescu: well tell him to drop by sometime, maybe we make an advertising deal ?
mike_c: i broke it. http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea+*derp
HeySteve: cool mircea_popescu, I'll let him know
mircea_popescu: mike_c blank page ?
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: o o i thought you meant you broke som,e story
mircea_popescu: had press language space loaded
mike_c: hehe
mthreat: mircea_popescu: suffix searches ("*derp") don't work
mthreat: oops, that was meant for mike_c
mike_c: well, i was trying to search for "f.derp", but seems it didn't like the period
HeySteve: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 runs MPEx, involved in Bitcoin for ages
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: can do, but shipping would be the killer. better to get it done locally
mthreat: mike_c: f.derp matches 3 results
mike_c: that feels unlikely. mircea never said f.derp?
mircea_popescu: i must've
mthreat: mike_c: can be verified by clicking the result link to the log
mike_c: maybe he didn't! is assbot not indexed?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/bitbetus/internet/bitbetus-Is-something-you-should-really-AVOID-1155798 << do you want to bother and CD them ?
assbot: Ripoff Report | bitbet.us Complaint Review Internet: 1155798
mircea_popescu: im kinda inclined to ignore
thestringpuller: mike_c: are you gonna charge for btc-alpha one day?
Apocalyptic: "I made a deposit and started to play. The games were a little glitch, especially Blackjack" // huh
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ransom site.
mthreat: mike_c: assbot is indexed. add "isbot:true" or "isbot:false" to include only bots, or remove them, respectively.
nubbins`: http://www.duhaimelaw.com/2014/06/22/canada-implements-worlds-first-national-bitcoin-law/
assbot: » Canada implements world’s first national Bitcoin law Duhaime Law
Apocalyptic: mircea, I don't get it
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you knopw what revenge pornsites are ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` does it say anything interesting ?
Apocalyptic: yeah
mircea_popescu: same principle.
nubbins`: dealing in "virtual currencies" subject to AML regs, must register with FINTRAC, banks are prohibited from opening accounts for dealers who aren't registered
mike_c: mthreat: got it. thanks. very cool page.
mike_c: thestringpuller: i'm more likely to pay people to read it than to charge :)
mike_c: but no, i don't really expect to ever charge.
nubbins`: essentially what cavirtex ceo suggested in senate heatings :D
nubbins`: hearings, even
mircea_popescu: mike_c srlsy ?!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sucks for canada.
mike_c: srlsy no charge? yeah. it's a loss leader.
mike_c: what's the point of charging? if i ever want to make some pennies i'll toss up a BB affiliate ad.
mike_c: not like i have all of romania reading it or anything.
mircea_popescu: i c.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: you see my comment the other day about altcoin-seeder?
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: not entirely unexpected regs
bitcoinpete: really just focusing on >$10k transactions
jurov: nubbins` ThickAsThieves pankkake etc... you're to cease and desist using mpex/coinbr before the PCMLTFA takes comes into effect
mircea_popescu: wait what
jurov: >:D
jurov: oh TAT is not canadian sry... but hes hould have stopped long ago anyway
jurov: and nubs too...
BingoBoingo: Wait pankkake is canadian nao too?
mike_c: candian, french, not much difference
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307400 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1047 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16247789840.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.68853
benkay: <BingoBoingo> http://paulford.kinja.com/wait-we-didnt-have-a-cms-team-1593914473 // i'm dying over here
assbot: FOR THE LOVE OF CONTENT MANAGEMENT I AM GOING TO LEARN ABOUT KINJA which apparently has headline limits in length no actually it just has a counter regarding headline length and it's unclear exactly how long headlines can be and if they can be really long or not, but one thing is clear and that is that headlines can't have italics anyway this headline [oh no according to Twitter, which is apparently where you go for Kinja documentation, you can h
BingoBoingo: benkay: Wait till you get to the comments
jurov saves http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lfD7I_3I--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/776348485761937325.jpg
benkay: " but as we formalize our road map, we're formalizing the teams working on those buckets."
benkay: yeah that one's great, eh jurov ?
benkay: "product vision"
benkay: sent that to a guy i know over at ebay mobile whose "vision quest to set the visual style fo ebay mobile" has been relegated to the...ipad app.
mike_c: lol. jurov, that image will definitely be useful in the future.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 56 @ 0.04613001 = 2.5833 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19180002 = 1.918 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.18900001 = 1.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 156 @ 0.04498717 = 7.018 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.044 = 1.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.188 = 3.76 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 149 @ 0.04144478 = 6.1753 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.186 = 0.558 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: sweet!
fluffypony: in-flight wifi ftw
fluffypony: lol @ upload speed - http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3581385036
assbot: Speedtest.net by Ookla - My Results
mircea_popescu: wd.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ransomware/ ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19987652 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up jaycutler6969
asciilifeform: re: link: mircea_popescu and i must be the last people alive using 'squirrelmail'
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: it'll either be fun, or batshit insane << ahaha srsly, going to the tortilla conference ?!
mircea_popescu: please to liveblog.
fluffypony: oh I will ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ? it works just fine
asciilifeform: aye, it does
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It has electrolytes, it's what plants crave.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqvoRETCQAEr9-L.jpg << somebody's got plans.
fluffypony: I love that movie
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd love to see how these folks intend to paint india without triggering nuke 'test'
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: bet its like ~1100 cals har har << i once had 1800 calories in a single sundae. whatever, it's my hot body and i do what i want!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nazis took over pappen's govt right ?
mircea_popescu: "without a single pane of glass being broken"
mircea_popescu: as a certain short ignoramus was fond of pointing out
mircea_popescu: rithm: this 2 factor voice just makes me want to stalk and watch everyone << kinda the point
rithm: do you know when i close my irc chat window
rithm: i feel watched
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: benkay: are you distancing your afk name from your irc handle? << he didn';t scam anyone afaik.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: wondering who did the admin for http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/ << why ?
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 16 hours ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04510001 = 0.6314 BTC [-]
rithm: did i scam anyone? no.
rithm: the only person to successfully scam me has perjured himself in court and is fighting the SEC
mircea_popescu: who's this ?
mircea_popescu: pirate ?
rithm: blow me.
rithm: yes
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.0451 = 1.4432 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if search finds the more than a car thing lessee
rithm: the jimmy buffet dude
mircea_popescu: rithm was that convo here or in onepercent ?
rithm: perspective is everything
rithm: i think more than car, less than a house was here
rithm: or pm maybe
mircea_popescu: nah i don't do pm with dubious characters
rithm: i can send you copies of your if you'd like
rithm: pm's i have
rithm: not full channels
mircea_popescu: me too.
mircea_popescu: i log when logged.
rithm: sneaky bastard
rithm: i hope you didn't log that sonic dematerializer conversation
rithm: i was so drunk
mircea_popescu: so maliki is going to end up hanged ?
rithm: i'm not sure who maliki is but it sounds vaguely religious so i'll just ignore it
TomServo: Iraqi PM
TomServo: Soon to be former, evidently
mircea_popescu: no cause kerry is violently supporting him :D
kakobrekla: ;;later tell bitcoinpete did you get the answer?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu hm? compact disc them?
mircea_popescu: cease and dessist
kakobrekla: meh
mircea_popescu: myeah.
kakobrekla: there will be plenty of those irrelevant of what we do
mircea_popescu: i just wrote a good and serious article
FabianB: $trades
mircea_popescu: as pankkake observed
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
Mats_cd03: maliki is going to end up living in london
mircea_popescu: bet ?
Mats_cd03: sending his kids to oxford and the like
Mats_cd03: ok, terms? whether he lives out the year?
mircea_popescu: what year.
Mats_cd03: 23jun2015
mircea_popescu: if by august 15h maliki has been hanged in the middle east, bet resolves as yes. if he's living in lonon, bet resolves as no. otherwise, bet cancels.
asciilifeform: isn't this 'badbet'?
asciilifeform: or can we bet on any hanging now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what assasin ever hangs anyone ?
mircea_popescu: it'd be a penal proceeding
mircea_popescu: not likely that someone sneaks into baghdad and surrepitiously hangs the pm
asciilifeform: didn't they hang that btc exchange chick in Sg ?
mircea_popescu: what ?!
asciilifeform: the one found in apartment lobby with rope marks
mircea_popescu: ok, publicly hanged
asciilifeform: ah ok
rithm: iraq is shitshow
rithm: a big hole some moron threw money into
asciilifeform: it's +EV for the folks in charge of the show
Mats_cd03: 300M morons.
asciilifeform: (u.s. firms who get to churn inventory)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 moar like 1-2 bn
Mats_cd03: hows that
rithm: not sure why i tried to some singular entity but it feels nice to do
rithm: *blame
rithm: i accidentally a word
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 maybe we're talking at xpurposes, was your 300mn the total money thrown in the hole ?
asciilifeform dreamt last night that he was to be hanged, but couldn't afford to pay for the roap and the grease - so was sent home to save up.
Mats_cd03: nah us population
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i was sentenced to hang but i ated it"
kakobrekla: grease?
mike_c: tar and feather before hanging
kakobrekla: a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42769 @ 0.00080389 = 34.3816 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: mircea_popescu: when do we get 2year bitbets?
Mats_cd03: proposal submitted, waiting on jurov to clear funds
mircea_popescu: benkay the day you're ready to zerconf 1k btc for a 2 year bet.
jurov: Mats_cd03: which proposal? maybe i can add onto it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04527103 = 0.5433 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: Maliki is hanged
benkay: mircea_popescu: what do zeroconfs have to do with anything?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8212 @ 0.00080261 = 6.591 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu: "oppinion" on ransomware
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: no, didn't get the answer
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: because http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729957 ... ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
bitcoinpete: curious what the cut-off is on bitbets for future reference
bitcoinpete: 1 hr before they can possibly by resolved? 6 hrs?
bitcoinpete: i completely understand that betting after an event has occurred, even if the bet is still "open" warrants a simple refund less admin fee
bitcoinpete: but there's an undefined (to me) grey area prior to that point
bitcoinpete: i've little doubt that this has arisen before
bitcoinpete: i'm just not familiar with the sop
mike_c: ^ this is also applicable to the "in-game betting" conversation from the other day
bitcoinpete: right
bitcoinpete: that's the scenario here
bitcoinpete: i don't recall, was there a consensus following that conversation?
mike_c: well, the consensus was to do it and all the world cup expiration dates were moved out.
mike_c: you can probably dig it up with the fancy new search tool.
bitcoinpete: thanks be to mthreat
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/FxQz6tB.gif
kakobrekla: bitcoinpete i dun think theres any hardcoded rule, mods call it and then you can bitch about it here
mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu: what do zeroconfs have to do with anything? << bitbet is a business, eh ? ran for profit.
mircea_popescu: &ty
gribble: Error: "ty" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: lolk
thestringpuller: free chily!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.1999 = 1.3993 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ud stack cheddar
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stack%20cheddar | Nov 9, 2007 ... Download the Free App! 1. stack cheddar. To make lots of money. Hustlin. "Get on your grind son. Stack cheddar." by Mooner November 09, ...
benkay: isn't PKI a nsa plant?
thestringpuller: Or "Mircea Popescu be stackin' cheddar"
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: they arent even french.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: "o no, we know better than mp, let's use scam sites"
mircea_popescu: "o shit we got robbed by a scamsite HURRRRR"
kakobrekla: mhm
davout: kakobrekla: the owner is!
bitcoinpete: sorry, was just having a bite on the patio here at the mac
kakobrekla: oh? i thought it was asians.
mircea_popescu: some idiot frenchman was involvedat some time
bitcoinpete: so nao i'm curious who moderated that costa rica bet if not kakobrekla ? mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: but who knows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04532308 = 0.5439 BTC [+] {3}
davout: i rkn he still is
mircea_popescu: it's zhou and his collector friend just as well
kakobrekla: bitcoinpete neither of the said. :(
davout: raphael nicolle
davout: never met the dude
bitcoinpete: blargh!
mircea_popescu: davout you see my point.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete you'll never know.
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: can either of your adjudicate?
kakobrekla: if mp sez so
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: that's fine as long as my case can be plead
mircea_popescu: in principle eithger of us can, historically we never have.
mircea_popescu: go ahead
bitcoinpete: ty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...know better than to get involved with the armed retinue of a lord...' << see interesting example - the private army of gazprom (said to contain own tank corps, aviation, etc.) - nobody fucks with it, scarcely anyone even mentions it.
mircea_popescu: pleas are to the gods anyway, rather than specific people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
bitcoinpete: as previously mentioned, costa rica was playing its second world cup game on friday
bitcoinpete: there are 3 games in the opening round, though it's possible to advance after only two games
bitcoinpete: in the 55th minute, give or take a few, a bet was placed that costa rica would win the match and therefore advance
bitcoinpete: the bet was confirmed
bitcoinpete: with >30' of play remaining in the game
bitcoinpete: costa rica won the game
bitcoinpete: and advanced
bitcoinpete: this in-game bet was rejected
bitcoinpete: http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/#b11
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 17 hours ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...bright young men that hadn’t gone though the compiler and complexity modules of their CS programme' << i actually watched the beginnings of this change at my uni. various things were made optional, and the audiences became 'pocket sized'
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/921/costa-rica-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/#b11 this one you mean ?
assbot: BitBet - Costa Rica will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.41 B (35%) on Yes, 0.75 B (65%) on No | closed 2 days 17 hours ago
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: precisement
mircea_popescu: game was at 20 June 2014 13:00 gmt ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5238 @ 0.00080226 = 4.2022 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: just confirming...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'operating systems' and 'compilers' (traditionally considered the gnarliest subjects in the department, outside of the required maths) were already optional and barely attended.
mircea_popescu: sucks, you know, to go to a place of learning for the purpose of not learning
bitcoinpete: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=255931/match=300186500/index.html#nosticky
assbot: 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil: Italy-Costa Rica - Overview - FIFA.com
bitcoinpete: 13:00 local time
mircea_popescu: like going to work in a brothel as a rpude
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete so 16:00 gmt ?
asciilifeform: ;;ud rpude
gribble: Google found nothing.
mircea_popescu: prude
asciilifeform: Aha
bitcoinpete: recife is utc - 03:00
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete even if there's some sort of daylight savings time stuff, its 17;00 gmt at the latest, the bet is half hour or so after close
mircea_popescu: this may be because it took a while to confirm, but anyhow
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: that doesn't add up
bitcoinpete: game starts at 1600
bitcoinpete: half time at 1645
mircea_popescu: aha
bitcoinpete: restart game at 1700
bitcoinpete: bet confirmed at 1732
bitcoinpete: game concludes no later than 1750
mircea_popescu: wow check that out, it just HAILED in BA.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete hm.
punkman: http://just-dice.blogspot.com/2014/06/betting-and-depositing-disabled-on-jd.html
assbot: Just-News @ Just-Dice: Betting and Depositing Disabled on JD and DD
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: my thoughts exactly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...enforce their superiority over the popular guards' << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014&bots=true#511301
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: wow jd just closed ?
mircea_popescu: dooglus you selling it ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: so where do we go from here?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete well, i see your point, ima have to argue nao.
asciilifeform: seems like it was banned ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy lives in canada
asciilifeform: right - banned there
FabianB: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
punkman: !jd --mpif
punkman: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 172.25671059 BTC; -0.14834219 BTC (-0.0860%) since last check 1d 4h 17m 52s ago.
bitcoinpete: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html
assbot: German Gold Stays in New York in Rebuff to Euro Doubters - Bloomberg
bitcoinpete: “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.”
bitcoinpete: such lulz
bitcoinpete: "“The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. "
jurov: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27973473 kinda related :D
assbot: BBC News - Poland leak: Radek Sikorski scorns 'worthless' US ties
jurov: "the Polish-US alliance isn't worth anything"
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at // Having trouble finding where to do this in Namecheap... bear with me
Blazedout419: bitcoinpete you ever sell off those Lealana coins?
bitcoinpete: Blazedout419: nope
Blazedout419: My offer still stands anytime :)
mircea_popescu: !up ArsKisS
FabianB: dooglus is canadian? i thought australian
mircea_popescu: nah
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/SNrVRty.jpg
fluffypony: I am completely fascinated by my ability to sit on IRC on a plane
fluffypony: modern teknologiez
mircea_popescu: cool huh
mircea_popescu: business class + irc = no loner matters how long the flight is
fluffypony: exactly
mircea_popescu: is blondy bored ?
rithm: ah the bag o nuts
fluffypony: she's at home with the 6 dogs
fluffypony: so she's plenty busy
mircea_popescu: oh.
rithm: it's been a few years now since the 'ol bag of nuts and i were together
fluffypony: rithm: so you're saying you lost your nuts?
rithm: yep
mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcds7oq5uN1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is up
FabianB: hm. there was no bitbet for jd closure
mircea_popescu: indeed
ThickAsThieves: mike_c seeds.therealaltcoin.org is now set up as CNAME - I don't think it's propagated yet tho
fluffypony: good job, ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: for mpif holders : dooglus paid, j.dice mpif investment withdrawn safely, https://blockchain.info/tx/c2236225dc87abbd2babcf99078976fc6b50d6819b41ed786049bbca1cb0a17f
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction c2236225dc87abbd2babcf99078976fc6b50d6819b41ed786049bbca1cb0a17f
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: like the whole investment withdrawn?
fluffypony: did I miss a blog post
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's in the logs ya
mircea_popescu: (debb's post, not mine)
fluffypony: kk
mircea_popescu: and also, slut training footage : http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8a78xrXV1ra163eo8_r1_250.gif
FabianB: hopefully no-one has bots trading on basis of http://www.btcalpha.com/mpif-tracker/ :)
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
mircea_popescu: mike_c 0E-8 srsly ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i'm off for today and i look forward to hearing from you on the costa rica bet. it would make a lovely birthday present!
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: turning 29 again?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: getting there ;)
fluffypony: heh heh
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: have fun in estonia
fluffypony: I shall live blog it
bitcoinpete: make sure to include restaurant recommendations
bitcoinpete: cheers!
mircea_popescu: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/162822/us-dollar-opens-steady-at-815-pesos-all-eyes-on-blue-dollar
mircea_popescu: heh
pankkake: http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA
assbot: Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube
pankkake: btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (56%) on Yes, 5.94 B (44%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 39`983 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0445 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04667441 = 0.7001 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0008043 = 13.4318 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33873 @ 0.00080304 = 27.2014 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 3000 @ 0.0002151 = 0.6453 BTC [-]
mike_c: 0e-8 is more zero than 0
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/481122040217616384
assbot: I just ran into a fellow /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets user at /hashtag/porcfest?src=hash! That's worth a +2 in the /hashtag/WoT?src=hash. http://t.co/oI2PHHgK6u
fluffypony: dat /hashtag/
fluffypony: right, going to try sleep a bit, cheers
danielpbarron: kyuupichan, you can voice yourself now :D
TheNewDeal: wtf is porcfest
danielpbarron: libertarian tent-city
TheNewDeal: ahhhh not bad
TheNewDeal: not a porcupine freedom festival?
danielpbarron: ya that's it
TheNewDeal: looks kinda like a hippy fest
danielpbarron: hippies with guns
TheNewDeal: ooooh
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: gotta go scout the hotel happy hour
TheNewDeal: hydrate with some free light beer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14954 @ 0.00080025 = 11.9669 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves it needs to be a NS record, not a CNAME
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: scratch that, bringing the laptop and making this a party
jborkl: finished up the "block found by" and I will be putting that online tomorrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 70 @ 0.02162138 = 1.5135 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.04698667 = 2.8192 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up l337
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04699966 = 1.692 BTC [+] {3}
l337: thanks. any plans on purchasing JD if doog is up for selling it mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: maybe.
l337: would be awesome
TheNewDeal: how does JD continue to exist? Don't stupid people go broke?
mthreat: ya, then take loans
mike_c: on the one hand, casinos have been around since.. forever. on the other, JD volume has been dropping.
mike_c: but who knows why
TheNewDeal: true about casinos
pankkake: more gambling venues?
mike_c: like who? its dropped a lot. set new all-time-lows 3 out of 6 months this year.
mike_c: could be player-fatigue (rolling dice is only so much fun). could be competition, but i don't know who.
mike_c: still though, 60k in wager volume a month is a nice business.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete teh court finds your arguments persuasive.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that "a month" kinda impleis it's stable. it's not that stable it seems.
mike_c: hm. a return to 6 digit wager volume would surprise me. but it's quite possible new management could make it happen.
mike_c: first 8 months were all > 100k, last 4 months were all well below.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00079488 = 18.8784 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04799999 = 0.96 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: certainly still has some value. i'm sure he will get multiple offers.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 5,498.
TheNewDeal: Return is still to high not to attract bets...
TheNewDeal: 5.4% over 8 days
mircea_popescu: provided he even wants to sell.
mike_c: this seems like a pretext to get out, no? but maybe he just wants to walk away.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he could just keep it on play money for a month or w/e while he moves to argentina.
mike_c: hehe. true.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.047 = 4.7 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04547644 = 0.955 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: who runs JD?
mike_c: dooglus
TheNewDeal: he's joining the MP crowd in LaArgentina?
mthreat: wow that rumor didn't take long
mircea_popescu: lol
TheNewDeal: didn't take mp to be a rumorist
TheNewDeal: my bad
mircea_popescu: honestly, him selling out'd be a net negative for btc
mircea_popescu: how many competen managers do you know of ?
jborkl: 2
mircea_popescu: jborkl winkleloss #1 and #2 right ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what did I do!
jborkl: hahahahaha, oh man
jborkl: I sharted
TheNewDeal: starting rumors about your posse in argentina of course
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you know mthreat is in argentina right ?
TheNewDeal: if you need a grease monkey to work on your machines, give me a call
TheNewDeal: CNC *
l337: mircea_popescu: is doog moving to argentina because of this?
mircea_popescu: lol how would i know!
mircea_popescu: i merely pointed out extemporaneously that he doesnm't have to necessarily sell or close down
mircea_popescu: he could just get out of fucktardlandia too
l337: got it, I took it literally what you said
jborkl: nm got the "found by" online now just have to fill in a few blanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.04342691 = 2.0845 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: www.coindesk.com/mp-says-dooglus-moving-to-argentina/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/betting-just-dice-halted-due-regulation/
mircea_popescu: this is trollage!
benkay: <mircea_popescu> jborkl winkleloss #1 and #2 right ? // they actually *hire* managers, if you'd believe it.
mircea_popescu: benkay im sure they do, because with their great reputation there's a bunch of smart, qualified people wanting to work for them.
mircea_popescu: brb while i get my snark refilled
mircea_popescu: that sentence taped me out.
benkay: well they still have to work their asses off to hire both the managers and those who toil under the managers.
mircea_popescu: they could just post on reddit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0430001 = 0.559 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.04205659 = 2.229 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: betcha plenty of folks would move to Ar, but... are waiting for mircea_popescu to terraform it.
TheNewDeal: lol
TheNewDeal: with cocaine ecoli?
mircea_popescu: no they just don't like tight cona
asciilifeform: build the radiation dome, fill with breathable air, impale the capital controls idiots, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2048 = 0.6144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00079322 = 18.0854 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform found out that japan still makes hardware 'word processors.' mindfuck of the day.
benkay: link or gtfo
mircea_popescu: coincidentally, i saw one today
asciilifeform: ;;google pomera word processor
gribble: Pomera DM 100 Distraction free Word processor - Japanese product ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipTkrdFeJ7A>; Digital Memo Pomera : DigInfo - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqXnknebD0s>; King Jim Pomera DM10 – the pocket friendly word-processor | The ...: <http://www.redferret.net/?p=12249>
asciilifeform: ^ actual electrical appliance where you key in and save plain ascii.
asciilifeform: (my position on the subject: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861&cpage=1#comment-2909)
assbot: Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin
asciilifeform: 'I would dearly love a dedicated word processor... runs for months on one battery charge, never crashes, presents no distractions, and, shortly, isn’t a PC. Not being a PC (or, more specifically, not running a PC operating system) is a truly under-rated and beautiful feature in any gadget.'
asciilifeform: i always found it interesting how much functionality one... loses by rolling a 'general purpose' computer into a product. not even concerning security and the like.
asciilifeform: i've seen actual novelists confess to owning '80s laptops which... boot into 'wordstar.' but try using one away from mains current.
jurov: kindle variant with physical keyboard isn't far actually
asciilifeform: jurov: you must mean something other than the keyboard already found on that machine ?
asciilifeform: because it's quite unusable
jurov: yes it needs better keyboard, and hinge
asciilifeform: and an os that doesn't bomb
jurov: would such device ever pay for itself?
asciilifeform: perhaps in japan. where they seem to remember the appeal of 'machine that does one thing well.'
Mats_cd03: best burrito i ever had was in .jp
Mats_cd03: and ive lived in socal and mexico.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00078845 = 10.7229 BTC [-]