⏐︎ 8857
mircea_popescu: !up Pilate
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> benkay: Wait till you get to the comments
thestringpuller: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04773875 = 0.9548 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078845 / 0.00080967 / 0.0008496 (918961 shares, 744.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00078845 / 0.00081687 / 0.00087778 (4595649 shares, 3,754.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00078845 / 0.0008462 / 0.00093337 (23860305 shares, 20,190.70 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.0002151 / 0.0002151 / 0.0002151 (4000 shares, 0.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0002151 / 0.00021534 / 0.00021726 (4500 shares, 0.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0002151 / 0.00021632 / 0.00021726 (30680 shares, 6.64 BTC)
TheNewDeal: Pilate, like Pontius?
mircea_popescu: !up tjader
thestringpuller: ;;calc .45 * 2
gribble: 0.9
thestringpuller: ;;calc .45 * 0.007
gribble: 0.00315
TheNewDeal: I was gonna say, .45*2, relaly?
thestringpuller: i was distracted
TheNewDeal: I could be marginally comatose and still get away with that
TheNewDeal: just having some fun. I've been lazy with calculators before as well
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b755cd262494d8bad72f34f0d1d9741/tumblr_mjais3vdoN1qij4o1o1_500.jpg
TheNewDeal: gotta stay away from these links on the work laptop...
mircea_popescu: defo
TheNewDeal: I'll just blame it on assbot for not giving me a description
mircea_popescu: it's an ass bot, what do you want from it
TheNewDeal: tell me what type of ass is featured in the webpage
TheNewDeal: 0 being no ass, 1 being ass
mircea_popescu: !up cfused__
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/ec4c4ed0fcf83793b5bf16a6841e5718/tumblr_n2pr89VWnK1r09wbpo1_400.gif << money!
TheNewDeal: monopoly money
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't do links off work lappy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.0451 = 1.804 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: I said I SHOULDN"T
TheNewDeal: that's like the exact opposite of "didn't"
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/a4d84c288cd8b25771b067c683a6f682/tumblr_n1qm9sBhgH1t1ja2oo1_400.gif have a prize then
TheNewDeal: gracias
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 91(Y):9(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.99 BTC. Current weight: 98,378.
TheNewDeal: jeez its already at 237
Mats_cd03: i thought it was a little low
Mats_cd03: no accounting for musk mania
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wow check that out, it just HAILED in BA << Is hail not a familiar mode of weather for you?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: on the one hand, casinos have been around since.. forever. on the other, JD volume has been dropping. << I imagine this is another natural part of having harder money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20481145 = 0.6144 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 446874.29 in 13 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.53
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/nsa-spook-turned-twitter-pundit-goes-dark-after-dick-pi-1594848048
assbot: NSA Spook-Turned-Twitter-Pundit Goes Dark After Dick Pic Surfaces
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SPavcCPR--/781452780514729000.jpg
BingoBoingo: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/what-the-biggest-companies-are-from-each-state-in-the-u-1595079772/+caseychan
assbot: What the biggest companies are from each state in the US
BingoBoingo: Points got to West Virgina where "West Virginia University Hospitals, Inc." is the largest company based there by revenue
BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10918321/Football-match-fixing-deal-casts-cloud-over-World-Cup.html
assbot: Football match-fixing deal casts cloud over World Cup - Telegraph
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you usually build with on ancient mac os ?
benkay: ugh u guise i got a nasty virus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hypercard usually. There's bound to be better tools, but... It tends to work for ancient Mac things
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i meant - traditional C
benkay: haskell invaded my computer
BingoBoingo: That's a good question. I actually don't know if there are any good tools for it.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: I've look at Mac OS 6-7.5.1 dev tools, but... That route tends to lead to shitty implementations of pascal or resedit and 68k assembly
BingoBoingo: Any interesting C programming generally is going to mean moving from mac os to A/UX which... means finding a suitable Mac (68030 based generally) and a hard drive of sufficent capacity
BingoBoingo: I've never really done much with C though, haven't done anything with C on an ancient Mac. Problems that tend to push me to finally string together some code tend to be further up the stack.
BingoBoingo: One dilema I ponder on sometimes is whether the beauty of the ancient macs was due to the talent of the developers, or due to the beauty of 68k assembly.
asciilifeform: constraints.
asciilifeform: no space for a multi-GB turd.
BingoBoingo: Comments from the loper blog now make me think of http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Accts/TS/Wb2/TempleOS.html when I think of successors to the ancient Mac OS legacy
assbot: The Temple Operating System
moiety: mew
asciilifeform: moiety: latest cat count on street == 17.
moiety: o.O
moiety: make it 16 asciilifeform .. go on, you know you want to
moiety: i just heard about this doge TMing business, and i can't stop laughing
BingoBoingo: With a sufficient monetary surplus I think an interesting project would be, introducing feral cats to obesity
moiety volunteers as a feeder
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: doesn't work - they multiply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's the interesting problem
moiety: win-win? multiple barrel-cats
moiety: what if they got too fat to mate?
BingoBoingo: The less interesting challenge is they migrate.
moiety: and the only ones that could migrate were those uphill that could roll
BingoBoingo: moiety: But the challenge it introduces is soon you have ALL the feral cats to feed
moiety: all teh kittehs - challenge accepted
moiety: someone in the extended family has a pregnant cat.. i may be forced to rehome a small being shortly
BingoBoingo: Of course you the decreases the value of feral cats. Useful ferals like useful farm cats need to catch vermin
BingoBoingo: moiety: From your ghetto "BingoB you you need meet chi so the two of you can talk about mauls for days"
moiety: christ, who's been bothering you? obviously don't know us that well lol
BingoBoingo: moiety: I just popped on, was I think you should just unilaterally switch the site to altcoin and change the mascots to Manuls
asciilifeform: moiety: a question that's been bugging me for years: are there actually distinct species (in the biologist's sense) of cat.
asciilifeform: afaik every hybrid that's ever been attempted in earnest - worked.
moiety: i miss btc .. this crowd is making me lose sanity/... oh was that the beep i heard?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the very interesting question. I dunno if cats meaningfully have "species"
moiety: asciilifeform: yes, i believe so. like the bobcat we were discussing. or manuls. they are fundementally different from others.. eg manuls have round pupils
BingoBoingo: Except maybe the cheetah with it's canid features. Might not hybridize well.
asciilifeform: moiety: sure, they look quite different. but normally 'species' is defined as a set of individuals which can interbreed.
asciilifeform: pretty much every 'felis' hybrid has been tried, afaik, and worked
asciilifeform: likewise panthera
asciilifeform: (tiglon, jiger, etc)
asciilifeform: leopon.
asciilifeform: examples of felis - 'savannah cat' (domesticus + african serval)
moiety: ah.. then yeah, not that i know of either
asciilifeform: search, youtube is full of hybrid felis
asciilifeform: then the '$64k question' - can we bridge felis and panthera?
asciilifeform: i.e. does there exist 'bridge cat'
asciilifeform: a felis that can breed with some panthera
moiety: asciilifeform: your opinion on word sound.... for my site (eventually) felidae or felinae sound better to you?
moiety: i think with felis and panthera we come into a size issue?
asciilifeform: afaik felidae is standard
asciilifeform: size issue << this is for the 'farmer' to solve via the usual means (artificial insemination)
BingoBoingo: Headline "Tomcat behind highway rest stop knocks up Zoo lioness"
moiety: BingoBoingo: ah yes thats the mid-sex-change dramatis lilyius. a testing pillar of "my ghetto"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04599644 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform can't seem to find his copy of 'felid hybrids' (great 1970s monograph)
asciilifeform: ^ claimed a successful 'house lynx'
moiety: when they do hybrid, they do seem to turn out just smaller versions of the bigger species
BingoBoingo: moiety: Not always smaller... The main coon is no longer the largest "domestic" cat
asciilifeform: who holds the record?
asciilifeform almost expects to hear 'longcat'
moiety: i do believe it is main coons for the record. they /are/ gigantic
moiety: no longer?
moiety: what is now
BingoBoingo: ;;google savannah cat
gribble: Savannah cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_cat>; Savannahs For Sale Savannah Cats For Sale - A1 Savannahs: <http://www.a1savannahs.com/savannahs.htm>; A Beautiful Relationship - Savannah Cat MAGIC and Andreas Stucki ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuiKbnA3w0Q>
moiety: so my dream of a giant manul is not unthinkable?
moiety: i shall ride the shops on it
moiety: to the *
BingoBoingo: Not all savannah cats are huge, but in the later generations they get Big
asciilifeform: some years ago, a savannah cat escaped in my town, and caused idiots to panic
asciilifeform: (they thought it was man-eating)
moiety: i'd be camping outside with a camera
BingoBoingo: It probably should have been if they paniced like that
asciilifeform: (as i recall, savannah cat is bred in only a few places, and sells for ~$20k each)
BingoBoingo: moiety: You first challenge probably is "manul with robust immune system"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: give it another two decades, and you'll find them among the other ferals
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not so sure about this. ferals tend to be small - probably adaptive, considering the food supply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People don't have small dogs in your neighborhood?
asciilifeform: lol
moiety: true they are so fragile D;
BingoBoingo: So a friend adopted a kitten, looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png hasn't stopped growing yet. I'm wondering when to break the news...
assbot: File:Cat-MaineCoon-Cookie.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
moiety: just at any point before they need both arms to pick it up BB
BingoBoingo: He worries that it is getting "fat" but... It grows in every direction.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 394 @ 0.04213652 = 16.6018 BTC [-] {25}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00078709 = 7.3986 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Including "mouth span"
moiety: cats don't seem to grow like dogs either. as in reaching a certain size at a certain age and stopping. mine have kept growing (albeit slowly) until mid-age
BingoBoingo: Despite Barricelli’s pioneering experiments, barely anyone remembers him. “I have not heard of him to tell you the truth,” says Mark Bedau, professor of humanities and philosophy at Reed College and editor of the journal Artificial Life. “I probably know more about the history than most in the field and I’m not aware of him.” http://nautil.us/issue/14/mutation/meet-the-father-of-digital-life
assbot: Meet the Father of Digital Life - Issue 14: Mutation - Nautilus
moiety: !up cowloon
BingoBoingo: moiety: That's true
moiety: BingoBoingo: i can see your friend sitting looking at this giant wondering if it will ever stop lol
moiety: hello cowloon
benkay: http://sysmagazine.com/posts/217799/ "fleshstore"
assbot: How to reduce costs by the virtual data-processing center by means of flesh-store USB IT daily blog, news, magazine, technologies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20485992 = 2.0486 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.03995847 = 1.9979 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.03954732 = 1.1864 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03637586 = 0.7275 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.03501923 = 1.821 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160
BingoBoingo: So... GNU Gnash seems to have improved quite a bit these past couple weeks.
moiety: i didn't even know there was such a thing, was just reading about it. how has it improved?
BingoBoingo: moiety: It now works with Hulu
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not that familiar, no. besides, it shoul;dn't really be seaside weather.
BingoBoingo: Ah, hail's the thing that happens here at least annually and depresses motor vehicle prices
moiety: BingoBoingo: you get the weirdest weather i have ever heard of
mircea_popescu: shithole of the world :D
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though this was just standard for not living on an Island
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was born in a place where wind over 50mph was newsworthy
moiety: i thought that was uk mircea_popescu? or can't we even excel at that now?!
mircea_popescu: moiety world can have mu;tiple assholes i guess
BingoBoingo: sub 100mph doesn't really make the news unless it spins
moiety: i have been searching for the least windy place to live
BingoBoingo: Wind isn't so bad, it is cleasing.
BingoBoingo: Gives the trees character!
BingoBoingo: Now flooding, that never happpens without making a mess.
fluffypony: morning frendz
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: penguirker better light up!
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: at Frankfurt, only flying to Estonia in an hour
fluffypony: the conference only starts on Thursday
fluffypony: runs till Sunday
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 33k@177 750k@175 216k@160
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 445034.21 in 9 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.79
moiety: they are giving us all these different little bins for different recycling here.. in scotland.. they will just blow about ... into things... causing damage... unsure i can take the stress
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1M@199 33k@177 750k@175
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18160 @ 0.00078668 = 14.2861 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Next ATC statement already more interesting than last, how interesting can it get?
BingoBoingo: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 18.4k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Bad JD response.
BingoBoingo: !Bad JD
fluffypony: lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlA_YXDm9bg
assbot: Things you're doing wrong every day: everything. - YouTube
xmj: fluffypony: do you have wifi on the plane?
fluffypony: xmj: I had on the flight here, but from FRA to TLN I don't think so
xmj: yeah, improbable - they usually fly A319 or 320 -without WiFi
BingoBoingo: Moore's Law http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/supercomputer-slowdown-worlds-fastest-system-sees-no-new-challengers/
assbot: Supercomputer slowdown: Worlds fastest system sees no new challengers | Ars Technica
Apocalyptic: hum, strong bids on x-bt
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looks like it
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 444380.80 in 8 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -37.88
BingoBoingo: Might explain why
Apocalyptic: indeed, everyone expecting the hoppers' selloff most likely
BingoBoingo: I've notice it has been a while since anyone sold into a bid
punkman: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16487794874.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.47129
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.00099999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.16299681 BTC. Current weight: 5,080.
BingoBoingo: Hashpower is the worst
punkman: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/23/josie-cunningham-gets-6000-taxpayer-taxi-rides-_n_5520892.html
assbot: Josie Cunningham Gets 6,000 Of Taxpayer Funded Taxi Rides A Year
punkman: why don't they buy her a car
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04099999 = 0.943 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: punkman: Parking is a pain
punkman: http://www.economist.com/node/21603828
assbot: GOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLL! | The Economist
BingoBoingo: punkman: Are you sure they are giving her Botox and not MTPT?
BingoBoingo: Sorry, MPTP...
BingoBoingo imagines a version of Jason Statham movie crank aligned to resent clinical knowledge. Statham poisoned with MPTP and must combat parkinsons with Selegeline, Amphetamines, and action Movie situations
punkman: is it that good writers don't wanna go to hollywood, or is it that the guild beats them up and deports them when they do?
BingoBoingo: punkman: I really dunno. Occasionally it seems the random mix of writers hollywood gathers occasionally develops a concept well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04099937 = 1.64 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/23/student-gets-trapped-in-vagina_n_5522066.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
assbot: Student Gets Trapped In Vagina Sculpture (PHOTOS)
Apocalyptic: he does LvCunts too apparently
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to that aspiring reincarnation of Carl Sagan
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Lube is everything
punkman: from comments: "Should be sentenced to serve six months hard labia."
pankkake: this is an actual fetish btw
moiety: brb off to post office, will avoid any large vaginas
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: There is nothing wrong with a vagina that can create a large space.
BingoBoingo: All of them do that
pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/23/184252/the-bursting-social-media-advertising-bubble
assbot: The Bursting Social Media Advertising Bubble - Slashdot
pankkake: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/wikipedia_s_bureaucracy_problem_and_how_to_fix_it.html
assbot: Wikipedia’s bureaucracy problem and how to fix it.
punkman: https://nest.com/works-with-nest/
assbot: Works with Nest. | Nest
punkman: !up AlexWkz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.20507803 = 1.4355 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: mew anyone around for a bit of advice?
punkman: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/06/07/the-vanished-grandeur-accounting/3zcbRBoPDNIryWyNYNMvbO/story.html
assbot: The vanished grandeur of accounting - Ideas - The Boston Globe
BingoBoingo: moiety: Aroud, writing a blog post
punkman: I have all kinds of bad advice
moiety: post office is arguing with me. to send batteries internationally, they need to be attached to the device. an external mac battery is fine isn't it... because it IS the device, right?
punkman: just go to another post office and tell them it's an external disk
BingoBoingo: moiety: Wire it to a Blinkenlight and have it turned off.
moiety: punkman, only got one here. i think i'll just go shout at them a bit
punkman: why'd you tell them it's a battery?
moiety: BingoBoingo: cus of packaging, i cant attach it to anything. but the batteries are contained inside the thing, just like it would be if it were in a laptop already
moiety: because you have to declare it and its not my battery to get confiscated punkman
BingoBoingo: moiety: Use electrical tape.
BingoBoingo: Make it a single thing and ship it as an art piece
pankkake: this is why I hate to receive/send stuff internionally
pankkake: and so many things get "lost"
moiety: oh god don't say that pankkake
punkman: things being lost has been quite rare for me, broken in transit though...
BingoBoingo: I've never had trouble shipping anywhere.
moiety: im not worried about it breaking, its in the original packaging it was sent to me in
moiety: but i am right in telling them the actual batteries are attached to the device, right?
moiety: cus you can't remove them
punkman: moiety: yeah it's not a battery, it's a complete external power storage device
punkman: just ask for the manager or something, clerks got nothing to do but argue
moiety: the guys head is going to melt when i give him that sentence, i can feel it
moiety: right off to argue withthem again, thanks all, back in a wee bit - again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00077913 = 27.2875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 110 @ 0.040995 = 4.5095 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Upcoming post might be /. able
Namworld: So, PrimeDice still isn't provably fair... Should I bother calling Stunna on it until he fixes it?
Namworld: Or as a competitor, should I leave that to others? hmm...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35979 @ 0.00078249 = 28.1532 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Might as well, you have a vested interest. If not you, who?
punkman: is PrimeDice the biggest dice now?
pankkake: lol, people are betting on a non provably fair site?!
Namworld: Yes
pankkake: why are they so dumb?
pankkake: or maybe how
Namworld: because you can still change the client seed before each bet, making it provably fair. The problem is if you don't, you can be cheated and it's impossible to get caught.
Namworld: A true provably fair system doesn't need EVERYONE to check and doesn't allow any scenario where a cheated bet is impossible to notice.
Namworld: The thing is, they give a new server seed for each bet. Guess what they can do if you don't change your client seed before each bet?
pankkake: oh, so at least it isn't completely obscure
Namworld: There are ways to do it that you can just keep betting and even if the site cheated even only 1 out of 100 bets, there needs only a few people to track a few hundred bets to start discovering unfairness.
Namworld: Like provide new server seed only when asked for and reveal old one. Then change client seed.
Namworld: Like JD does. Then you can spam bet with the sticky server seed. No problem, no cheating.
punkman: was just trying PrimeDice, this happened twice already: I bet, balance updates, bet doesn't show in My Bets list
Namworld: or even better, like Coinroll, use predisclosed hash of daily secret for everyone. Not alterable. Then client seed is BTC deposit tx ID, so we don't provide a default seed for the client.
Namworld: Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets.
Namworld: I'm saying PrimeDice implementation is poor. They could be cheating right now, it would be impossible to notice, even if everyone verified and tracked all their bets.
punkman: the interface is horrible too
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/24/choosing-a-linux-desktop-environment-for-newbs-and-n00bs/
Namworld: That's left to opinion. Isn't bad as far as I care.
Namworld: It's more the implementation of their provably fair system.
Namworld: Anyway...
BingoBoingo remembers TradeFortress constantly advocating beautiful provably fair systems and just... Running with the money...
BingoBoingo: Spammity spam spam away! http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3649189
assbot: Xfce: Choice Desktop environment for new Linux Users - Slashdot
Namworld: Yeah, as I said, a properly done provably fair system doesn't prevent cheating/stealing. It just makes it impossible to do without the possibility of getting caught.
BingoBoingo: Provably fair ought to be the bare minimum. It is a shame people consider themselvesserious without it.
BingoBoingo: However...
BingoBoingo: Provably fair should be so far below the minimum.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/apbarros/status/481157619261116416
assbot: Wanna know the pwd for the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq
Namworld: Technically I think there's many smaller places that gives a new server seed before each bet... but that's a poor system.
BingoBoingo: Well, "provably fair" offers some room to choose particulars, but... Can have problems
Namworld: Yes, you can always alter betting parameters
Namworld: "Only way to cheat would be altering bet parameters after the fact to keep matching seeds and rolls, which is completly noticable if even a few users tracks their bets."
Namworld: But you can get caught for that.
Namworld: The way PrimeDice does it, they could cheat without any possibility of getting caught.
Namworld: With all parameters/seeds/rolls always matching and not changing, yet obtaining a house edge that is not 1%
Namworld: At least for players that don't change their client seed before each roll, which is going to be the majority of players.
Namworld: This is poor because the system needs to be so that a minority checking bets will catch the cheating for everyone.
Namworld: Provably fair should imply that any cheating possible under any scenario is possible to catch.
Apocalyptic: it's not
Apocalyptic: even in JD's case cheating by dooglus is impossible to catch
Namworld: How so?
Apocalyptic: he knows the server seed
Namworld: Oh, I mean for players. That's an issue but only for investors.
Apocalyptic: indeed
Namworld: But there's not much way around it.
Namworld: I'm talking strictly users side.
Namworld: In that case it's possible to have a system where any sort of cheating will be possible to catch.
Mats_cd03: doubtful this is a solvable problem
Namworld: the JD one for investors or the all cheating is possible to catch?
assbot: Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W47ZD7.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 19 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: The thing about "provably fair" is that like all other transactions it is an offer from one party to another.
BingoBoingo: One party is always by their nature going to be situated better to fuck the person across the table.
pankkake: this has been discussed some time ago; one solution can be to use future block hashes as part of the server seed, however it delays the result
BingoBoingo: "Provably fair" is a tool to mitigate the risk.
Mats_cd03: all cheating. what prevents a server side tweak for 1.1% being switched on and off irregularly to evade persistent monitoring for cheating in your scenario?
Mats_cd03: operator could claim, 'probability lol' when evaluating statistical claims by suspicious users
pankkake: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2014q2/000344.html
Namworld: Because then rolls wouldn't match?
Namworld: You can't change to 1.1% without changed the target number/giving the wrong number for the roll.
Mats_cd03: maybe I've misunderstood something here
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Well, a casino operator could "take a gamble" by offering a player a result to the player's detriment that is not provably fair
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Namworld: Yes, but then even if only a small portion checks their bets, it would get caught. Even if a site did it only 1% of the time, it would quickly be discovered.
Namworld: And it would barely provide any advantage. Unless you only do it for very large bets, but those are highly likely to be checked.
Namworld: It's possible to cheat, but it's noticable. Even if not everyone checks.
Namworld: With PrimeDice, if you don't change your client seed before each roll, you could verify every parameter after the bet, see if anything was changed or if seeds match with the roll. It will check out fine, even if PrimeDice cheats.
Namworld: Because they'd be cheating before the rolls with proper seeds provided. Which means they wouldn't need to alter bet parameters after the fact or provide a roll number that doesn't match the seeds.
Namworld: Aka, stealth cheating
Namworld: I'll admit a 100% flawless system is probably not possible... but the PrimeDice implementation is far from even being half-right.
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... -assets doesn't seem as capable of spamming 3rd party sites like it was earlier this year.
Namworld: What?
BingoBoingo: Right, Primedice's implementations suck in that it counts on implementator honesty too heavily
Namworld: It basically doesn't provide any verifiable results unless you change client seed manually before each bet. Which is incredibly poor practice. No user will want to manually change their secret before each bet and type a new random string.
pankkake: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/06/pr-will-be-first-up-against-wall-when.html
assbot: Errata Security: PR will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5280803&cid=47253005
assbot: Netflix Shutters Its Public API - Slashdot
Namworld: I think he mentioned at some point the provably fair system for PrimeDice would be modified for a 4th version of the website, but eh
BingoBoingo: OMG security is hard, Who knows who??? http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/06/24/facelock_an_alternative_password_system_are_potentially_better_than_hard.html
assbot: Facelock, an alternative password system, are potentially better than hard to remember passwords, study finds.
Namworld: Oh yeah, read that post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253144.msg6485263#msg6485263
assbot: Is PrimeDice really (provably)fair? Well, it isn't.
pankkake: I have a hard time rembemering faces
Namworld: He says wouldn't CR and JD be able to cheat by altering provided server seed, explaining exactly what PrimeDice does but CR and JD doesn't...
BingoBoingo: Essentially all provably fair schemes come down to an evaluation of the implementor's reliability.
Apocalyptic: "the point I want to make is his use of the phrase "powerful encryption". There is no such thing. There's only two types of encryption, that which works and that which doesn't" // a fact that still eludes some people
Namworld: it has nothing to do with implementor's reliability and it has all to do with hard maths and frequency of verification on the user's part.
Namworld: The scheme provided itself is the reliability of the site. It either is poor or is strong. Regardless if the owner is untrustworthy or trustworthy.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: You pick an implementation based on the choices the person who implemented it made. If you really want to roll dice you pick the most "fair" system.
Namworld: The owner being trustworthy only impacts risk of fleeing with users' balance.
BingoBoingo: Otherwiase you write off the implementor as a snake BECAUSE they chose poorly
Namworld: Yes, pretty much.
BingoBoingo: The right choice should only have to be Tradefartress vs. Dooglus. Not Dooglus vs. politically correct mathzors
BingoBoingo: Scammers rarely compete with hard targets though when they can spz. an advantage.
Namworld: Eh, anyway...
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/481412058152333314
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3
BingoBoingo: @binarybits http://Vox.com already seems to be racking up spam profiles fwiw #OMGSpamzors http://www.vox.com/users/motorshow-oman
assbot: Vox
assbot: motorshow-oman Profile, Activity and Communities
moiety: can you block numbers entirely on android or just filter the texts to some inbox you never go into?
BingoBoingo: moiety: No idea. I have a flip phone.
kakobrekla: calls you can block
moiety: mines not an android but rather than change my number i thought i would just get an android. i like my number but i cant get rid of this creep
asciilifeform: moiety: null ringtone. works even on ancient phone.
moiety: its texts that are the problem so far
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm telling sharpie in the pooper... blackmail... peace
moiety: asciilifeform: it's only one number though, i don't want to miss other messages
asciilifeform: moiety: most phones, even late '90s vintage, let you set ring tones by number
moiety is trying
kakobrekla: on android you can go step beyond that so the caller will get a dropped line
moiety: yeahthis wee thing can't do it asciilifeform
moiety: i can get a wee basic android no problem
kakobrekla: (i blocked my isp)
pankkake: my nokia dumbphone can do it
moiety: can't even block n umbers for calls on this
moiety: its a wee fb phone
pankkake: though my mobile operator also now has a blocking service
pankkake: facebook phone?
moiety: yeah mum picked it up when mine broke not knowing anything about phones. facebook for vodaphone thing
moiety: i can't do anything normal, but i can update my status.. sigh*
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KSUJ9Xtw9E
assbot: Noonee - The Chairolution - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.04099974 = 2.747 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.042 = 2.1 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: moiety re bnc: znc
punkman: http://bit.coin.je/
assbot: bit.coin.je - The Jersey Bitcoin Portal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.043 = 0.688 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo takes a smoke break, tired of inhaling strange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 29 @ 0.02219999 = 0.6438 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: kakobrekla: thank you. i got it but i have no idea how to install. i think i'm a lost cause
punkman: "We feel that Jersey is perfectly positioned to become a cryptocurrency-friendly jurisdiction. We’ve got a very highly-regarded finance industry with world class AML/KYC expertise."
moiety: scrap that think i got it
moiety: meh command not found a million times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2253 @ 0.00077913 = 1.7554 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo proposes an excelent exercise for anyone wanting to test their organic chemistry knowledge, cleaning another person's bathroom.
punkman: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/6/22/detroit-water-un.html
assbot: Detroit activists call for UN help as city shuts off water for thousands | Al Jazeera America
kakobrekla: http://www.mondaq.com/x/322078/data+protection/ECJ+Declares+Data+Retention+Directive+Invalid
assbot: ECJ Declares Data Retention Directive Invalid - Data Protection - European Union
kakobrekla: hm nevermind i got scrolled.
kakobrekla: dat thing is old
kakobrekla: http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736804
assbot: ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants to replace US computer chips with local processors
Mats_cd03: fending off the boys moiety?
pankkake: !up miaoux
pankkake: miaou !
moiety: just a creepy weirdo in the extended family i have never met Mats_cd03 rather just block it than cause problems
miaoux: lol
pankkake: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1228223/google-building-a-domain-registration-service The Internet soon to be renamed The Google
assbot: Google Building a Domain Registration Service - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 438899.48 in 5 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.65
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: 1 hour 42 minutes and 14 seconds
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/06/asa/
assbot: ASA Updates Algorithm to Account for Red-Heads | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
pankkake: Quoting numerous recent red head studies published in The Lancet, the ASA did confirm that red heads do in fact have souls, the carpet matches 90% of the time, most red heads hate when ‘red headed slut’ shots are ordered for them, and yes they truly are amazing in bed.
pankkake: looks scientific enough. I'd they less than 90% though
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2013/12/national-arthritic-society-lobbies-climate-change/
assbot: National Arthritic Society Lobbies for Climate Change | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Honestly there is only one way to investigate such claims
pankkake: yes - do you know how I could get this kind of Scientific Research funded?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I dunno, maybe find someone with experience writing grants?
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/SciencePorn/status/481301442737995776
assbot: X-ray of a 900 pound man. http://t.co/DWukhHvSuj
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/even-venture-backed-bitcoin-miner-startup-cant-deliver-on-time-gets-sued/
assbot: Even venture-backed Bitcoin miner startup cant deliver on time, gets sued | Ars Technica
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/28ykrp/comedy_silver_or_the_only_people_more_delusional/
assbot: Comedy silver, or: The only people more delusional than bitcoiners are litecoiners. : Buttcoin
mike_c: heh. just that title is hilarious.
BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1318236/florida-man-faces-48k-fine-for-jamming-drivers-cellphones
assbot: Florida Man Faces $48k Fine For Jamming Drivers' Cellphones - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: User generated content problems https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/481449050168770560
assbot: Great /DLind cardstack on the recent wave of child migrants coming to the US to escape violence in Central America. http://t.co/AHt2wdLXy3
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 437759.59 in 2 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.81
BingoBoingo: 2 Blocks to ATC diff change
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.73, Best ask: 586.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 586.99, 24 hour volume: 4255.87860255, 24 hour low: 582.0, 24 hour high: 591.92, 24 hour vwap: 586.544403643
jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 430.848545, Best ask: 431.775275, Bid-ask spread: 0.92673, Last trade: 431.775275, 24 hour volume: 4266.35277512, 24 hour low: 428.061, 24 hour high: 435.35716, 24 hour vwap: 431.403388611
BingoBoingo: OMG watch out the Lebron BitBet http://deadspin.com/lebronapocalypse-1595238462/+tcberman not much action so far... http://bitbet.us/bet/960/lebron-james-to-take-his-talents-elsewhere/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok
assbot: Agent: LeBron Will Opt Out Of Miami Contract, Become Free Agent
assbot: BitBet - LeBron James to take his talents elsewhere :: 0.03 B (25%) on Yes, 0.09 B (75%) on No | closing in 3 months 3 weeks | weight: 98`864 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: "At this point, we don't know anything about LeBron's plans other than the fact that he is opting out of his current contract. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is bolting Miami for another team. This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him, and it could even be the first step in the elaborate bring-Melo-to-Miami scheme that was reportedly bei
BingoBoingo: ng explored earlier this month."
mircea_popescu: "This could be LeBron positioning himself to re-sign with the Heat at a discounted rate so they can build a better team around him"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
mircea_popescu: "he's opting out to give us more money"
mircea_popescu: what do they put in the us water supply ? dumbherb ?
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mircea_popescu: also in the news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/99316fc4d80511b4d7ea955e66ff9874/tumblr_n19n9ml8KO1t3904qo1_500.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... in most of the US maintaining water delivery infrastructure is a low priority... Lead pipes are a menace not unlike aluminium mains wiring
mircea_popescu: i guess they must be
BingoBoingo: It isn't unheard of for athletes to take less money, but it always happens when the contract has expired or when they want to negotiate for more years at less money per year.
mike_c: well, salary isn't their total income. they can make more in aggregate by being on a winning team (endorsements, etc.)
BingoBoingo: Never though for the cause of "I want less to be the shiniest specialest person on the team"
jurov: btw lead pipes aren't the problem, water tends to deposit minerals to the sides that limit lead poisoning
jurov: but the fact that nobody knows where the pipes are at all
jurov: in NYC large part of water is not even paid for because of this
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're going to be on a winning team by moving to one that can pay,
mircea_popescu: not by subsidizing idiots.
mircea_popescu: jurov true.
mike_c: yeah, but national sports are monopolies. teams have salary caps.
asciilifeform: re: russian 'arm' cpu hype << same sad story as 'elbrus' company. the latter started out as a somewhat original superscalar design, ended up a cheap pentium clone. they succumbed to the temptation of the ussr starting in '70s - clone common cpu, run l33t w4r3z.
BingoBoingo: Is it sad that I find the HP "the machine" announcement more encouraging than the Russian arm one?
asciilifeform: neither is particularly interesting, imho. both intend to run the same idiot stack forever.
BingoBoingo: The HP stuff seems interesting at least for what can be done with used stuff 10 years after release.
BingoBoingo: 10-20 years out will be interesting in any scenario simply because of how will people react to bumping against Moore's law at the least.
BingoBoingo: Who knows maybe once fabs bottom out around 5nm people might start making "sea of gates" FPGAs again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 106 @ 0.04100211 = 4.3462 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: BingoBoingo: MSFT already does, have you seen?
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if it's a 'xilinx' or 'altera' - you're stuck with the vendor's closed turd.
jurov: oh that, will come naturally after sufficiently smart compilers
asciilifeform: both of the major (well, only ones worth mentioning) fpga vendors make most of their profit from renting out license to use their libraries (ethernet controller, soft cpu cores, etc.) and not from hardware. hence the tightly closed architectures.
asciilifeform: (reasoning being, were they to open the specs, anyone could cut open the libs and never pay the ransom)
BingoBoingo: At some point the price of fabbing "state of the art" will go down, simply because "state of the art" hits a wall.
asciilifeform: state of the art in, e.g. steel production, hasn't changed in decades
asciilifeform: own a backyard steel mill ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013&bots=true#432847
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: Well, I've reprocess aluminum there before.
BingoBoingo: *reprocessed
asciilifeform: it may very well be possible to produce 'backyard cpu,' but refinement of traditional fabrication methods won't get you there
asciilifeform: 'can't get to the moon by piling up chairs'
BingoBoingo: I'm not thinking backyard, I'm thinking whoever Avalon et al hired to do their baking.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> jurov: It's not just that there are FPGAs though, but a certain kind... << it's actually likely to see a proper war around this.
mircea_popescu: denying chips is pretty much the best way to keep people doing service "jobs".
moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/24/cheng-cheng-boy-2-addicted-to-alcohol-in-chinas-anhui-province-4773587/
assbot: Cheng Cheng: Boy, 2, addicted to alcohol in China's Anhui province | Metro News
asciilifeform remembers one of the less-discussed reasons for vietnam war - the buggers had the temerity to build semiconductor plants
jurov is sad nobody seemed to notice the "sufficiently spart compilers" snark
moiety: BingoBoingo: you didn't visit china a couple years back did you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78645505 BTC to 9`565 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: jurov we're just waking up over here lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their temerity runs in the fambly it seems. they now have the temerity to fight china over sea oil.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Nah
BingoBoingo: jurov: But pointing out that snark might highlight it too agressively for certain listeners...
mike_c: jurov: is this working? https://coinroll.it/stats bets counter is going up but nothing showing in table
assbot: Coinroll
jurov: use https://coinroll.com/stats
assbot: Coinroll
mike_c: ah
jurov: we migrated the domain
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: your x11 wm post: the funny thing is, i originally grew fond of 'ratpoison' wm precisely because, years ago, as student, i used an uncommonly small laptop.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (you mentioned wanting a traditional wm specifically for miniature computers, which i found odd)
mircea_popescu feels an urge to contribute, and so http://38.media.tumblr.com/43ddab4f04de339735f1450d7d8d5fff/tumblr_n1mx0hovad1qgp9ipo1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: lol!
benkay: http://www.iprofesional.com/notas/189965-Que-pasara-con-el-valor-del-dolar-si-la-Argentina-le-paga-a-los-fondos-buitre
assbot: Qu pasar con el valor del dlar si la Argentina le paga a los fondos buitre?
mircea_popescu: not much either way.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: example of this machine: http://www.notanon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gentoo_libretto.jpg << the circular object underneath 'intel' sticker is the mouse. two buttons on the back of lid.
mthreat: https://twitter.com/apbarros/status/481157619261116416
assbot: Wanna know the pwd for the Brasil world cup security center WiFi nw? It's on the whiteboard ;-) /hashtag/fail?src=hash http://t.co/XD6ujqk5nq
asciilifeform: ^ when this is your 'mouse,' mouseless wm is appealing.
BingoBoingo: It must be
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/6c8929d97e29476c98fe514cbd1c866d/tumblr_mj7ikq5jYs1ryigg2o1_500.jpg
jurov: https://dicesoft.net/projects/wildcard-code-execution-exploit.htm
assbot: Bash glob arbitrary code execution
benkay: haha
benkay: i thought a neighbor was leaving for the morning, and ran outside in my underoos to return a key
benkay: turns out it was another neighbor's girl, my ins broker
Mats_cd03: im in the same room as bruce schneier right now
Mats_cd03: his ponytail is scruffy.
benkay: amusingly, the one who won't ride his bike naked
pankkake: Mats_cd03: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/
assbot: Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Mats_cd03: i have read it
Mats_cd03: dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true
Mats_cd03: incompetent, maybe
Mats_cd03: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2014/06/gettys
assbot: [Today] (In)Security in Home Embedded Devices | Berkman Center
pankkake: I didn't picture him as a hippie (and certainly not incompetent)
davout: has -assets already discussed DigitalBTC (digitalbtc.com) ?
pankkake: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=digitalbtc
assbot: digitalbtc
mircea_popescu: benkay so did you return her key ?
pankkake: re http://38.media.tumblr.com/6c8929d97e29476c98fe514cbd1c866d/tumblr_mj7ikq5jYs1ryigg2o1_500.jpg - that's the only kind of panties that should be allowed
benkay: pf no wrong girl
mike_c: hah, look at that. search.b-a is so much better than google site:logs.b-a.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's been known for a while no ?
jurov: yes. but it never ceases to entertain me
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> dude is too much of a hippie fuck for that to be true << o.O
mircea_popescu: jurov actually if it ever gets "fixed" i guess asciilifeform's point about how linux goes to shit like everything goes to shit under the pressurte of popularity wil lbe quite breathtakingly proven
benkay: so the girl and i've been perverting the refrain to "rock me like a hurricane" all morning
benkay: particular winners:
benkay: "whorricane"
benkay: "dock me like a faggot king"
benkay: i had to dig up a demonstration of docking for that one to make sense to the lady
mircea_popescu: ...
TomServo: a...demonstration?
mircea_popescu: TomServo he prolly doesn't know the old meaning of the term
benkay: doesn't a whoreicane sound great?
benkay: what, docking or demonstrations?
benkay: ;;ud dock
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dock | Dock. to place the foreskin of your dick over someone else's penis head. Clay Aiken docked Lance Bass when he came out of the closet. by hitman912 ...
benkay: there is a whole internet of examples...
mircea_popescu: benkay "and if you don't, they dock ya"
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS42yIDQX6s
assbot: ... and they dock ya! - YouTube
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
benkay: what movie's that from?
benkay: hudsucker proxy...
mircea_popescu: hudsucker ya
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com docking
gribble: Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/have-you-played-elite-back-in-the-80s>; The theory behind the alternative EVE corporation pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/>; The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle- (1 more message)
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BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436273.12 in 1 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: 51 minutes and 22 seconds
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 50k@240 16k@235 | 1000k@199 33k@177 750k@175
davout: pankkake: thx!
Mats_cd03: sum of this talk: embedded devices r fucked, forever, but you can reduce the attack surface by installing openwrt.
Mats_cd03: imo, pr0j3k7 m4yh3m is how this gets triaged
mircea_popescu: or by using better embeded stuff
BingoBoingo: %tslb
atcbot: 21 minutes and 51 seconds
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 2016 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mircea_popescu: !up Menno
BingoBoingo: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 8.7k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered
mike_c: 40k divested so far. not bad.
Apocalyptic: wait, only 8.7k invested
Apocalyptic: what happened ?
mike_c: they shut down
rithm: wah wah wah
Apocalyptic: I see, missed the news
[]bot: Bet created: "Michelle Keegan to be FHM's 2015 Sexiest Woman" http://bitbet.us/bet/963/
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: You were right about my most recent article sucking in terms of prose. I'm going to fix that after I finish writing part 2.
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.041031 = 0.8206 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.041031 = 0.6975 BTC [-]
pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/24/1815200/china-starts-outsourcing-from--the-us
assbot: China Starts Outsourcing From ... the US - Slashdot
moiety: hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :]
mike_c: hm. bitcoind says that when you encrypt your wallet, previous backups of unencrypted wallet will no longer work. this seems.. impossible.
mike_c: either previous backup could send those coins or it couldn't. i dun get it.
mike_c: ah, because it lies. this makes sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 100 @ 0.0559801 = 5.598 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00350000 / 0.00361356 / 0.00399990 (185 shares, 0.66850777 BTC), 7D: 0.00350000 / 0.00420716 / 0.00452500 (2122 shares, 8.92760209 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00412542 / 0.00568031 (5652 shares, 23.31686459 BTC)
fluffypony: ;;rated xmj
gribble: You have not yet rated user xmj
fluffypony: ;;rate xmj 1 not only have we broken bread, but we have broken wild boar. Also, took me on a tour of Old Town, Tallinn, Estonia.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xmj has been recorded.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: goat was going to come to the conference?
fluffypony: "im sorry again i cant make it. i have two different personal things making this not doable. im very sorry."
rithm: chaaaaaaaang-nooooi
thestringpuller: fluffypony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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fluffypony: thestringpuller!!!!!!!1111oneoneoneonetyone
thestringpuller: hooray for internet!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.21974574 = 2.1975 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04101171 = 0.5742 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/quantifiably-unsane-vessyl
assbot: Quantifiably unsane: Vessyl | Locklin on science
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.26299681 BTC. Current weight: 4,512.
Mats_cd03: xmj and fluffypony sitting in a tree
jurov: xmj riding fluffypony
Mats_cd03: k-i-s-s-i-n-g
Mats_cd03: whoa thats explicit this is a PG channel
jurov: waitwhat k*ssing is explicit nao?
jurov: !up navhul-lacsup
jurov: !up justusranvier
jurov: !up ak__
jurov: !up CoalPowerGorilla
jurov: !up cedivad
jurov: !up kermit
jurov: speak up damnit :D
cedivad: so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value.
cedivad: I'm looking at the filing right now.
cedivad: they must have won something
cedivad: ct got something like 25M and are doing just fine
jurov: what did hashfast blow $$ on?
jurov: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-startup-hashfast-could-be-forced-to-liquidate-itself/ hehe
assbot: Bitcoin miner startup HashFast could be forced to liquidate | Ars Technica
jurov: The involuntary bankruptcy filing came days after HashFast’s CEO told Ars that his company was “as poor as church mice.” Prior to that, the company fired half of its staff and declared “we’re not scammers.”
cedivad: they basically decided to destroy the company in December when they saw that they would have had huge lawsuits against them due to their lies
cedivad: so they sinked the ship and got everything out via alternative means, imho
cedivad: what they spent 20M on... Good question, the filings are not answering to that for now
jurov: linked article mentions parnership with some PepperMining anon company, maybe that was it
cedivad: nah, that was the tip of the iceberg. And ars is good, but not good enought. it's difficult for us to understand what is really going on, a jurnalist cannot do miracles
jurov: you're from ars?
jborkl: peppermining is jsut two guys buying chips
cedivad: lol, no. I'm a poor guy that spent more than what should have lost pre-ordering from HashLabs
jborkl: they said "accounting is a wreck and can't find millions" <- probably is there
Mats_cd03: best case, it went into holding btc and the guys at the top are making out like princes.
Mats_cd03: worst case... poor house.
Mats_cd03: and american prisons.
cedivad: yes, there are many addresses we know of that holded our BTC payments since August/September
cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that.
jurov: !up cedivad
jurov: !up chax
jurov: !up Swadq
Swadq: Cheers
jurov: hello
jurov: !up bigtip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.20001187 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04265517 = 1.237 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.19804922 = 2.5746 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 256 @ 0.195 = 49.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00077799 = 0.778 BTC [-]
mthreat: search.bitcoin-assets.com updated - changes:
mthreat: - Now sorts by date by default (option to sort by relevance)
mthreat: - Add JSON output for IRC bot integration
mthreat: - Tried to improve line spacing
mthreat: - Better error messages, instead of blank pages
mthreat: - Better page <title>, for assbot benefit
mthreat: - Fixed UTF-8 for accented/non-Latin characters
benkay: SHIP IT
kakobrekla: good stuff mthreat!
mthreat: kakobrekla: add &output=json for json. I can change the JSON output if you like, for gribble (do you run gribble?)
kakobrekla: no i dun run gribble, assbot will take care of this - but, my thought was just to make assbot build the url query for you on the chan, no json needed
kakobrekla: like "blah!search blah" and it returns
kakobrekla: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blah
assbot: 68 results for 'blah' - #bitcoin-assets search
kakobrekla: no?
mthreat: cool
kakobrekla: but aside that, i can make you ?json to parse the stuff from logs if you want
kakobrekla: still daily , just w/o the html stuff
mthreat: it's not really necessary.. the parsing is pretty easy using JSoup
kakobrekla: as you wish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21987562 = 1.5391 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.03847462 = 0.5386 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * Ignatius-otc (~root@gateway/tor-sasl/ignatius-otc) << what could possibly go wrong
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <jurov> !up bigtip
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03:mircea_popescu: and the devices in existence? what about them? << burn them.
mircea_popescu: help gdp
mircea_popescu: moiety: hmm docking... my eyes get wider every day in here.... :] <<< i wouldn't worry while it's just the eyes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: ah, because it lies. this makes sense. << it flushes the 100 pre-generated addies.
mircea_popescu: so in that sense.
mircea_popescu: cedivad: so, hashfast got 20 millions in and they were able to destroy all of that value. << listing what, a d. ?