mircea_popescu: the fact that someone would spend the time to type in a 12 paragraph, 500 word reply made out of pure banal WITHOUT BOTHERING TO READ THE ARTICLE
mircea_popescu: or to understand specifically what's being said or anything whatsoever... people must be real lonely.
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mircea_popescu: he quotes "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA.". the full quote is "Note that it is not said nor implied here that there's any sort of theoretical vulnerability related to using 65537 as an exponent for RSA. The point is that you don't know what exact implementation flaws the NSA is or may be relying on, and for this
mircea_popescu: reason giving as little quarter as possible is the correct policy."
jurov: yes, i meant the graph mostly
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:12:46; ascii_field: trinque: i dare say that -no one- can make money doing -this-
mike_c: I'll put on the list: "make 1-1 trust graph look better" :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c incidentally it could just be a xckd-ish cartoon/joke
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:16:30; jurov: can one go to mars by carefully cultivating their mind?
mircea_popescu: and by the way, have any of the young eager minds here a la pete_d actually read dali's LIFE ? orwell reminds us it is certainly on the list.
BingoBoingo: The problem of how many of the marketed moving parts work as advertised and only as advertised.
BingoBoingo: No need to imagine if there were a dozen different versions of 'cat' because that's our situation
mircea_popescu: problem is deeper than that, and scales exponentially.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to make sure your salt is salt, spectrometric assay is cheap and purity is a matter of weighing.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to verify an -usually unstable- 28k molecule compound, spectrometric assay is impractical and purity can in principle not even be established.
Hasimir: wow, I never thought I'd discover paypal's kryptonite so quickly ...
BingoBoingo: Indeed. All of a sudden you've got to put the stuff in a controlled solution and break out the X-Rays and magnification
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and by the time you're done... you know it WOULD HAVE BEEN USEFUL. but you used it up.
mircea_popescu: like the little girl that got sent to buy matches and make sure threy burn! so she came home with no matches
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assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:38:05; ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough.
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 10:15:46; justJanne: The largest issue is that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.
mircea_popescu: jurov sweet. but could the repeated string Author be replaced with the nick ?
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that reddit suggests to me we shall soon have reddit/hn/twitter/facebook/everything accounts, each and every last one of us. and we won't even have to man them :D
mircea_popescu: AsciilifeformOfficial sez : plox use enigmail kthx bai
mircea_popescu: "nsa's pgp keyservers not responsible for fraud - there is a history of cosmic rays having done this before"
jurov: yes, there are atempts to use an AI to continue online activity of the deceased
jurov: when done, will be surely extended to living
mircea_popescu: i think the point here is more along the lines of AD not AI
mircea_popescu: you see chitlin, cosmic rays don't often interfere with digital computers. but when they do, they always stamp in 281479271743489.
mircea_popescu: cosmic rays come from Social Justice not from god you heathen
mircea_popescu: eagerly awaiting the kerrys of this world going "the atrocities in ukraine are due to russia!!1 the ukr govt clearly said they would break geneva convention unless russia buys them a popsicle and russia didn't!!11"
jurov: ;;merkel already did
gribble: Error: "merkel" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;google 281479271743489
jurov: that numer appears in many places
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 20:40:55; ascii_field: betcha - no one.
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't often cosmic ray, but when i cosmic ray i always every fourth bit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, we have now experimentally found the wavelength of cosmic rays.
mircea_popescu: see, the way this works is, if the ray is going across the wire, then nothing happens. but if the ray goes through the wire, as it can happen rarely (random rotational positioning), then it hits every 4th bit.
mircea_popescu: A Method To Insulate Aircraft From Cosmic Rays Digitally. "just carry a large bunch of e's in a pile outside hte ship"
BingoBoingo should have done law school, or at least more Science classes so could at least become "patent agent"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Because the PGP Global Directory allows users to manage lost keys, it cannot use cryptographic mechanisms for verification. Instead, like mailing list servers and other public Internet services, the PGP Global Directory verifies a key by requiring a response to a verification email sent to each email address specified on the key. It also requires periodic re-confirmation for each advertised email address
BingoBoingo thinks asciilifeform would make excellent motivational speaker
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:22:14; *: ascii_field found this by looking at The List, of course
jurov: is the former public?
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mircea_popescu: Endnotes [1] It's since been pointed out to me that renewals don't trigger WAPs. Renewals were in the original specification but the Registrars Stakeholder Group managed to get it taken out.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess we'll be moving to our own internet sooner than anyone anticipated.
mircea_popescu: "One of the commenters on your other linked post (from when the policy was announced last year) mentioned having to create a Gmail account just to resolve the problem. Sure, that's a hardship after the fact, but there's little harm in proactively creating a Gmail account solely for the purpose of WHOIS contact."
mircea_popescu: "you can not have an independent domain without a facebook account! internet OF THINGS, bitch!"
mircea_popescu: it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them...
mircea_popescu: (you recall, she used her own set-up in her own office, the nsa couldn't get her emails aha)
mircea_popescu: so now a contrived icann policy that, no doubt atr some point in the retarded comissions, had "it'll prevent private webservers" as a +
mircea_popescu: Hasimir you should probably look into gossipd while at it, to understand why we think very little indeed of all these "solutions" or w/e they are, colored sugar beads.
mircea_popescu: first 1000 primes as a factor." <<< aha. somebody's not really done their reading
mircea_popescu: seeing how 10 digit factors and more keys are actually on display in published fucking articles.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a plain "don't use your own server/domain for your email" thing. which is not the only thing that's wrong with this, but in light of the recent humiliation clinton delivered upon them... << She used exchange, prolly pissed they had to risk a zero day
BingoBoingo: gavmatic: I saw you've done some bitcoin news sort of posts on your blog
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how composite ? i clearly recall there being primes longer
gavmatic: it's more a hobby at the moment, writing i think is over valued in our culture :)
mircea_popescu: now, 7 digit thing is prime. eminently not in the first 1k
BingoBoingo: gavmatic: Seriously consider submitting some pieces to qntra
BingoBoingo: gavmatic: It's a way for you to write and accumulate shares which may have value eventually. Also qntra can always use moar text
gavmatic: I understand, thank you very much for the offer, I will keep this in mind.
BingoBoingo: !rate gavmatic 1 prospect in textfarm system
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 20:54:58; Apocalyptic: I multiply then the modulus N by 3 (or any other small prime, the value doesn't matter)
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.gavmatic.1:0bae20ad25ba58bc558f2be25839dd89ce2b9d14a02fc037319734fe92bbf8e9
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for gavmatic with note: prospect in textfarm system
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex queue. and there's a lulzy bug, CANCEL|1 responds the order is mangled despite i do have this order
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:53; ascii_field: LinuxCon and he told me that some folks complained that they can't encrypt to him. For other this was no problem, though.' << this part should surprise no one. the boobytrap works on -someone-.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and the implication i read was "a small prime AND ONLY THAT SMALL PRIME"
mircea_popescu: otherwise i have nfi why what the guy said is worth saying
mircea_popescu: (the guy = on the email list linked above we're discussing)
BingoBoingo may or may not be putting it on a certain que
BingoBoingo has watched 'Milliona Dollar Baby' too many times this month
BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en
BingoBoingo: To be fair odd idea people find their way here and he wants a Lispy Unix. You tried to break Opterons into Lisp-Machiners.
BingoBoingo: Sometimes one needs to ride the rail before finding a train
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't get the impression his expectation is being directly paid.
BingoBoingo: My impression is he want's those support contracts Redhat failed and was cannabilized upon
BingoBoingo still works on polishing his portfolio yards polishing his mexican credentials
mod6: <+jurov> mod6, ben_vulpes, everyone:
http://bluesky/ml/test/patches.html needs to manually fill data for "Released in/Based on" columns - just version strings for every patch, help appreciated << this is 404 for me.
mircea_popescu: you forgot to click the confirm link in your icann email ? :D
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142238 << dude check out the retarded children of today. "hi would you talk to me privately seeing how i'm too autistic to engage in the proper channels, of which i have a bevy at my disposal from www to irc ?" "no. and get your head out of your ass." "oh you know what ? I AM GOING TO PUBLISH YOUR EMAIL NAO BECAUSE MY HEAD WORKS FINE INSIDE MY ASS"
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:56:03; Hasimir: but has since said he's not interested (the follow up by DKG has that)
mircea_popescu: what exactly is happening in the us ? is it a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland where children are brought up mostly by wolves and weevils ?
mircea_popescu: have you people no families, no fathers, do you not spend any time with your parents, is there no school, are there no books, nothing ?
mircea_popescu: in what world is this sort of behaviour tolerated even of seven year olds, in their first year of schooling ?
decimation: lul > " one count of "operating as an airman without an airman's certificate"" < so if he did not practice and prepare for his flight, and rampantly disregarded safety, would he not have 'operated as an airman'
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 baby what happened there ? << not sure. anyway, even if I add in ".com" or w/e to that link jurov posted, still nada.
mod6: not sure what jurov was referring to.
decimation: "premeditated disregard for usg's rules"
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:00:35; Hasimir: didn't spare all the boring folks
mircea_popescu: what sort of argument is this supposed to be even, "it didn't spare all the boring folks".
mircea_popescu: i came here for an argument! this is just contradiction, an automated gainsaying of everything the op says!
BingoBoingo: So in case of Illinois vs. Bingo... Evidentiary hearing which was finally scheduled... continued again because St Clair County's State's Attourney has more asses than heads
Hasimir: well, I'm not here for argument, I'm here to try and find out what the cause is
Hasimir: even if it is not directed by a malevolent actor
Hasimir: obviously if it is it'll be more interesting, but that's not enough to make it so ...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know there is redress for it taking too long, but i dun think iut's taken too long enough yet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And I object to calling the case It's proper title because as and Illinois people I reject consensus on the people of Illinois vs. me title
mircea_popescu: Hasimir i dun see how it'd make it more interesting, but ok.
Hasimir: it'd be more interesting because then you get to pursue them to find out what they're up to, like in any good detective story
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:04:45; Hasimir: proving or disproving it would require merging multiple keys across a broad range of openpgp implementations and operating systems
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That redress is if they wait too long to file in the first place. But if hearing that takes 2 years to schedule has to be blown off because prosecutor whales aren't ready... Maybe I have a disposition by $5000/BTC
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:06:44; Hasimir: no one on that list has said, "this is the answer" - they're discussing theories and you're attacking them for doing so, it seems a bit odd
mircea_popescu: b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product"
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, I'm happy to test on the systems I've got here or have access to, but that's not a broad range
mircea_popescu: and THEY are the ones who are NOT at liberty to make claims other than humbly and with a lot of proof.
Hasimir: for example, there's no windows boxes here
mircea_popescu: because THEY are the inferiors in this social encounter.
mircea_popescu: none of this having anything whatsoever to do with the actual math involved.
mod6: jurov: ahh, ok, so let's talk about the best way to do this when we get a chance.
Hasimir: so you want peer review, fine, who do you consider your peers?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I enthralled by assertions that "you can't get whole key package from factoring subkey" and yet... niggers.txt
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's what some derps quoted seems to suggest. Factoring dat subkey doesn't really give priv key
mircea_popescu: but on its face, the notion that someone would even be vaguely relevant for crypto and NOT be in the wot at all is so ridiculous as to defy the mind.
BingoBoingo: Suggestion: For every broken moduli Phuctor signs a message "lol, I suck cocks" from factored keys
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the thing is, some keys consist entirely of two moduli, both of which were factored.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which is the value of Phuctor signing a sucks cocks message
mircea_popescu: and the problem with that suggestion is that well, much more interesting to spend computational resources to enlarge the breach atm, than to go in depth.
mircea_popescu: time enough to do that once the whole keyset's been combed
Hasimir: depends on which wot really, I can think of one or two that would know the math well enough, but are not involved in bitcoin at all (the pgp wot, however, is another matter)
Hasimir: oh, not counting people on any of the gpg mailing lists
mircea_popescu: of course, any of these twerps peanut-gallery-ing around COULD use their time to do any of the useful things obviously allowed by phuctor having, generously and very uncharacteristically for THEIR FIELD published a lot of raw results
mircea_popescu: Hasimir if it can't interoperate with assbot's it doesn't matter.
BingoBoingo: Well with factors message signing shouldn't be too much CPU mathing, but I guess if at this rate ~98 keys sign "lol I suck cocks" at the end of sks dump processing makes better Trilema post
mircea_popescu: "My go-to guy for LR-to-BTC conversions at non-exorbitant rates!"
Hasimir: yeah, that didn't last ...
Hasimir: apparently non-exorbitant was anything between 5 and 10% over spot
Hasimir: I'd found some site that let me turn the lrusd into mtgox coupon code things, so I just churned through it
Hasimir: I can't complain, my initial stake came from a one night coding effort and then I traded on that and built it a little bit
Hasimir: given my laptop was bought with btc on -otc, I'm *way* ahead :)
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assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:09:57; ascii_field: suggests to me - BND.
mircea_popescu: but the density of german ppls on that list is, as janna observed, significant enough to raise an eyebrow.
mod6: danielpbarron: might be a good time to quick retest your key before the next batch
mod6: i threw mine in there again, it's 2nd in line or something "(queued, 2 moduli remaining...)"
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:13:28; Hasimir: oh, did I forget to mention, I'm the treasurer of pirate party australia
mod6: is see what you're saying, i did it about ~5 mins ago. no worries.
Hasimir: pretty sure it got published on piratetimes.net already
Hasimir: there's a few links, I'll dig them out
mod6: this new vaporizer tank i got is blowing my mind.
mod6: just thought i'd share that :]
mircea_popescu: !rate Hasimir 1 Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia
mod6: it's so much better than old one. i'll find a link...
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:b81063ad8ebbe75386e6515c03fc2fa43965115006ee19ce8462d99372379307
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Hasimir with note: Rodney Serkowski, Pirate Party Australia
mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer
☟︎ mod6: mircea_popescu: hahah
trinque: mod6: damn that thing looks nice
mircea_popescu: Hasimir apparently you do, seeing how he's the treasurer ?
mod6: BingoBoingo: 15mg nic
Hasimir: now he's backpacking through europe
Hasimir: last I heard, somewhere near russia
mod6: the airflow on this thing is beatutiful
Hasimir: well, I became treasurer in 2013, when he decided not to run again
mod6: asciilifeform: that's just the tank, there is a 30W battery that it screws into from the bottom.
mod6: mine is like: eleafworld.com/product/detail.php/eleaf-istick.html -- the one with the digital display i had with me in b-a.
Hasimir: everyone else seemed afraid of the job, but it's not hard
mod6: didn't i see Ben McGinnes just post something to the thread about MP & the keys on the gnupg list or w/e?
Hasimir: just like it says on my gpg key ;)
mircea_popescu: !rate Hasimir 1 Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Hasimir.1:bf7f710965a166083dd04a45ca06e05d82edae78c00b64c6adc73075db7ee508
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Hasimir from 1 to 1 with note: Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia
Hasimir: mod6, yep the silly question about the keyserver
Hasimir: and a certain someone didn't twig ...
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, my other hats include co-founding cryptoparty, also in 2012, and writing the bulk of the ppau submission to the national security inquiry
Hasimir: well of course it got ignored, we were in favour of a logical response
Hasimir: and they cried, "Because Terrorism!"
mod6: asciilifeform: hahhah i never knew!
cazalla: Hasimir, did you run that with asherwolf?
Vexual: Hasimir, any thought on the suggested shipping reforms?
mod6: i used to smoke a pipe a long time ago.. not sure if I could get used to e-pipe. pipe tobacco has a nice smell, etc.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i hope you're all weirded out and inception-ed to fuck seeing how all your friends keep showing up in here.
cazalla: Hasimir, can't say i'm a fan.. and look it's Vexual! lol
Hasimir: cazalla, I do tend to describe that thing as my crypto problem child ... but, probably worth it
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what friends? i know Vexual from here!
cazalla: and given Hasimir is from Melbourne, odds are he's a lefty and i'm hitler to those sorts down here
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:18:20; ascii_field: and why would a 'bug' affect ONLY (!!!) 1) moduli 2) m^d mod n 3) exponent, which is ALWAYS 281479271743489 after the transformation, regardless of what it originally was 3) ALL FIELDS ARE CORRECTLY SIZED
Hasimir: cazalla, it, not her and I'm more libertarian, but not the crazy american kind
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:21:33; Hasimir: I never claimed to have answers, but you guys are locked into the "it must be a conspiracy" mindset and assuming any criticism is part of the conspiracy
cazalla: mircea_popescu, seen enough of it to know the place serves as a magnet for sjw types
trinque: mircea_popescu: probably me
Hasimir: guns above all else, absolutely zero taxes, involvement in society, even if social security is what stops revolutions and blood in the streets, etc.
trinque: Hasimir: how bout yes to 1, voluntary 2, fuck 3
cazalla: Hasimir, not a fan of packing heat?
Hasimir: viewing foreign aid as a handout (instead of the bribery it is)
mircea_popescu: Hasimir the difference between handout and bribery appears as you switch context.
Vexual: ill bet he can make a hot espresso
Hasimir: cazalla, I probably would if I could, but it seems to almost be a religion for some and I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place
Hasimir: it is a little cold, but the coffee is good
Vexual: 2 days on the train to melb, i don't sleep untill i get home
trinque: easy to grant that *any* political group in the states is packed with morons
trinque: the benefits of being armed stand on their own
Hasimir: Vexual, sleep is for the weak, during the week
mircea_popescu: being armed is like carrying a large 1980s laptop everywhere that can't be turned on
trinque: mircea_popescu: what would better protect my property or own life?
Hasimir: mind you, I live in a place where it's illegal to carry something as relatively tame as pepper spray
trinque: mircea_popescu: though you and I have vastly different contexts within which to consider those problems
mircea_popescu: you know, just because there isn't a better solution of the same strength doesn't mean it's terribru good.
cazalla: Hasimir, not much point calling the cops or ambos if a couple Refugee australis of the somalian kind rock up to your place, i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cazalla what, you're impugning a whole city now ? << Not like I don't indict whole cities for eventual Bingo Justice
mircea_popescu: trinque mind, i have lived like that, and for extended periods. contrary to what the outsiders think, nobody inside is really all that keen about having to drag the damned things around everywhere.
mircea_popescu: and everyone that does eventually settles for equipment much exactly opposite of what the arms fans favour.
cazalla: Hasimir, what's the pirate party position on weaponry btw?
trinque: a humble handgun and a rifle for sport
Hasimir: cazalla, we don't have a formal position on firearms, but we generally favour individual freedom
mircea_popescu: so the "nuts with guns" angle does have some merit to it fo sho.
Hasimir: have a look at the bill of rights policy and draw your own conclusions ...
Hasimir: I suspect that if it came to a party vote I'd be in the minority and voting in favour
Hasimir: but we have more important policies to complete first
cazalla: yeah, it's a shame Australians are so fearful of guns
Hasimir: blame that fuckwit in tasmania
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me knows but what shall i say of it anymore, it's an opaque topic on the basis of erryday experience.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: some of the 'crazy shit stick' thing is a result of u.s. folks -forbidden- to carry. the stick grows 'tumours' from being kept in safe anyway << Fading fast, apparently even I with paper work could carry "crazy shit stick"
Vexual: when i read carry i imagine a kei truck
BingoBoingo: <trinque> a humble handgun and a rifle for sport << FLip that Rifle for carry and pistol for sport
cazalla: Hasimir, not convinced it was him or that he at least acted alone.. what sort of guy autistic retard like him could kill 35 people with such precision
mircea_popescu: cazalla> i'd much rather put 2 in their chest and compost em << why ? you're supposed to shoot out the knees/shoulders, and why wouldn't you ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really only holds when locales in question are california and "New York"
Hasimir: remember that those ppl weren't used to a world where guns were common enough to worry about
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how would i know what to put what where when we can't have weapons here to begin with :\
Hasimir: and I imagine it's much like the more recent massacre in Norway
Vexual: guns were very much more common here before howards decree
Hasimir: with that other retard ... what was his name?
Hasimir: the one who shot all those kids
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:26:00; Hasimir: alright, assume you're right then, what do they gain by doing this in a way that can be found by regular(-ish) geeks?
mircea_popescu: that's one theory (published as such in an article iirc). another theory hanbot came up with earlier in log, and i've been thinking about.
BingoBoingo: So the Celosia already challenging the yellow heirloom rose for fastest boner in the front garden.
Hasimir: Breivik, Anders Breivik, that fuckwit
mircea_popescu: indeed, for all we know these keys were used in some sort of process, and a few accidentally leaked.
Hasimir: that we definitely agree on ...
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's not even terribly clear HOW to correctly classify these keys.
BingoBoingo: <Hasimir> that we definitely agree on ... << Is punative sodomy
mircea_popescu: there seem to be 2-3 different categories but they can be reconstructed in multiple approaches with different elements.
mircea_popescu: which is why running the whole shebang is important - we need more members to attempt a classification
Hasimir: has anyone tried deliberately making/breaking a key like this?
Vexual: yep, the cops went and took every registered repeater
Hasimir: if they're encryption subkey bits then maybe it's from backfired attempts to segregate the cert key from the subkeys ...
mircea_popescu: so far the only seriously excluded hypothesis is "bit rot".
mircea_popescu: for all we know this is a not yet documented numeric field breakthrough
mircea_popescu: Hasimir bitrot = "changes in data due to the substrate rather than activity"
Hasimir: I know, I was being facetious
BingoBoingo: Math breakthrough/phd thesis seems most likely atm
Hasimir: been awake for a while ...
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, no, they'd've published by now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looking at there being a pattern at all... Moar shockers!!!
mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Hasimir: Nah, some poor motherfucker could be Dr. Motherfucker if only they didn't sign with an "Intelligence" agency
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow << Yes
BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru
☟︎ decimation: 281479271743489 (the common exponent) = 65537*641*6700417
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:32; Hasimir: BingoBoingo, somewhere I have a log of a PM with that guy who we later learned was the undercover agent going after silk road v1
BingoBoingo puclished front yart encounter with two sweaty feds
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. and notice 641 was a factor in the modulus i quoited above
Hasimir: having trouble with deedbot atm
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 22:38:46; ascii_field: mod6: they are so accustomed to the illiteracy of the general public, that they are entirely unprepared for folks with half a clue.
Hasimir: does it only work in channel or via pm too?
decimation: The WA-agreed definition for ?intrusion software? is proposed to be added to § 772.1 of the EAR. The definition also includes a Note that describes some items not included as ?intrusion software,?e.g., hypervisors, debuggers or Software Reverse Engineering (SRE).
trinque: Hasimir: doing it here is nice for the logs, but it works both places.
BingoBoingo: Someone understand wassenar to do a qntra piece?
Hasimir: wassenar, god, I still want to bury that fucking thing
decimation: ^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software'
decimation: (unless you get a license and permission from usg of course)
Hasimir: decimation, they've been at it through wassenar for nearly 2 decades now
Hasimir: I first wrote about it in '97 or '98
mircea_popescu: eh, who cares about the us anymore, not like they have the edge in crypto
mircea_popescu: decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, but individuals aren't
decimation: it all comes down to "get a note from stalin"
Hasimir: some are, hopefully enough
mircea_popescu: Hasimir you see how your position here contradicts your earlier stated position re guns ? :)
BingoBoingo seriously wants some fresh wassenar news for the qntra
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone holds the same beliefs when it comes to things they care about, and the other set for everything else.
decimation: wanna build an aircraft? fly an r/c plane? put 'intrusion software' on your website? get a note from stalin.
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Hasimir: ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever
Hasimir: they're a tool, like any other
Hasimir: unfortunately often wielded by tools too
Hasimir: with a high percentage of said tools also having badges
Hasimir: case in point, that url posted here earlier of the cops who lobbed a flash-bang at a baby
decimation: mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment
BingoBoingo: WHatever all *nix are US legal by 2nd amendment
decimation: and note this is a regulation, not a law
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument
decimation: Hasimir: yes and it was successful as I recall
Hasimir: I thought it settled before it got far enough to set precedent
decimation: right, which is why usg isn't going to test it again
decimation: eh those defcad guys are just attention whores
Hasimir: true, but the case might be interesting
decimation: "Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR."
mircea_popescu: <Hasimir> ah, but I'm not against guns, just against them being the prime motivator for whatever << not the point. earlier when guns were being discussed you said " I've never seen any religion avoid going to a bad place", which yes is a valid point. but when it comes to something you actually know/care about, suddenly it';s not nearly as appealing, as good a point as it may be.
mircea_popescu: decimation moreover, you can just pgp me the code and i'll publish it.
decimation: they are trying the same argument as bernstein
decimation: "Defendants? censorship of Plaintiffs?speech, and the ad hoc, informal and arbitrary manner in which that scheme is applied, violate theFirst, Second, and Fifth Amendments to the United States Constitution."
Hasimir: decimation, yeah, I thought that was what you were talking about ...
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, it's always a fine line to walk between being passionate and religiously devoted ...
mircea_popescu: and the line a lot more visible in topics you care about enough to study in detail..
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, but that would give ground for usg to attempt to throw you in jail
mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema.
☟︎ Hasimir: well, yes, because you're looking more closely
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decimation: it will be interesting to see what the court rules on this
mircea_popescu: jurov: heh seems there will be leaks.b-a.link soon << nb, nb
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decimation: I suspect usg will withdraw because they don't want the court to rule that thier little export regulation house of cards is unconstitutional
decimation: yeah but that's because obama would have personally lost face
decimation: obama can pretend he doesn't even know what these people are talking about
mircea_popescu: Hasimir: cool, will do << for the record, this non-readable dump of text stuff is annoying.
decimation: at any rate, the pro-gun lobby in the us is quite strong and well funded, it generally levels political opposition
mircea_popescu: if you must include blobs, include them apart from whatever it is you're deed-ing
BingoBoingo: Also in USia Nagant, SKS, and other curios with bayonets already mounted ++
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 23:31:13; cazalla: trinque, at least you have the option not to vote.. i usually find myself rediscovering my religious roots on election day which exempts me from wasting my time.. why Hasimir would volunteer to waste even more of his time though, i can't figure that one
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, yeah, aus has mandatory enrolment for voting and fines if you don't show up to vote (or postal vote)
mircea_popescu: o check me out, i have the day's first line in log. yay.
Hasimir: anyway, no doubt you can giggle at the content of the paste and at least the first submission is included for future reference
Hasimir: does anyone remember which LEA he was with?
mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
☟︎ trinque: Hasimir: weird, your last one went in
cazalla: Hasimir, is the enrollment actually mandatory? i know of people that never enrolled so they never actually had to vote or become religious on the day of it
trinque: Hasimir: python needs its tits kicked in regards to eating a u2026
Hasimir: cazalla, it's supposed to be, but if you avoid it then there's nothing they can do
Hasimir: trinque, it does handle utf-8 much better then 2 ever could
Hasimir: but if you're sticking with 2.7, use: from __future__ import unicode_literals
trinque: Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg though.
Hasimir: decimation, I like to print people's names correctly, to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude
mircea_popescu: they should be thankful the names don't get translated!
decimation: do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ... to be polite?
decimation: and if someone has a name that can't be romanized? fuck'em - they can romanize or have no identity
Hasimir: decimation, I prefer to view it as a new (event) horizon
BingoBoingo: So watching 'Mean Girls' (2004) seems asciilifeform likes authentic Maoism in his films
mircea_popescu: decimation we're not enforcing that policy re irc handles tho
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu: they don't even know whom to jail for the most recent leak on trilema.
mircea_popescu: (pretty much exactly same story, separated by two decades and a gender gap_
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode takes.
decimation: irc handles aren't an identity, gpg keys are
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur to his mind.
mircea_popescu: so your deedbot is going to break over someone citing a nick ?
mircea_popescu: "I walked out of the back office in a state of absolute shock. I’d just become a twenty–first century sharecropper. I couldn’t find outside work without winding up homeless — and I couldn’t leave the state because three bucks of gas money won’t get you past Walnut Creek — and I couldn’t get paid because there was no money to pay anyone with."
trinque: mircea_popescu: over non-latin1 characters, for now
trinque: though that's something I'll fix.
trinque: will involve dropping a dependency and writing something in its place
mircea_popescu: what you mean by deep in gpg py bowels ? is it exploitable even ?
trinque: nah, the python thing diddling gpg is just trying to
decimation: just turn 8-bit ascii characters into tildes
trinque: trying to encode some bits as latin1, and there are characters in this outside that set
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trinque: decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8; the sqlite db it munches on is
Hasimir: trinque, oh, is this the python-gnupg gpg.encoding thing?
Hasimir: yeah, setting that to latin-1 just works with everything ...
Hasimir: I think I might've submitted the bug report on that one ...
trinque: found the mention of it in the docs
trinque: ah I see how you can set it
trinque: decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii too; what's the argument behind that?
decimation: I don't trust 8-bit character handling code
trinque: ah, well at least with this thing the output's able to be checked, neh?
Hasimir: that's one of the reasons I started looking at pyme ...
trinque: if there are messages out there that are interesting to deedbot in other encodings, they'd otherwise be excluded
Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
☟︎ Hasimir: it's in one of the bitbucket t=issues
Hasimir: I believe that falls into the category of enlightened self-interest ;)
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Vexual: seven spanish angles. a rap verse. vexual
Vexual: bb is right tho, where swedish is the swhahili of western europe
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
Vexual: maryland kinda close to dc no?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i take it] that someone was doing research which involved these keys. he was responding to me saying that for all we know, this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
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assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I think someone stuck their dick in numbers and made this pattern possibru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we were idly discussing the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out that so far it could be a lotta things
mircea_popescu: all the way up to an afore-unknown property of the mathematical structures involved.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wtf was difference b/w 'imac' and 'emacs' << Generally eMac was previous year's "iMac"
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
BingoBoingo: Surprisingly educational film, do reccomend
BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older than Cady!!!
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated thing and noticed something, it won't give you the answer, but it might help narrow the search - read through the code and code comments in g10/import.c of the current master repo, it goes through the specific key error types and subkey fragment types that gpg won't import (which also happens to be most of the keys on The List)
BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance tonight. WOrks for endrunkening
Hasimir: also, see if you can test this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED (another one missing a UID, but in this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...)
Hasimir: the other way to find that one, even without the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au
BingoBoingo: WTF is wrong with pissing in the freezer and then quitting
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, if it's too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking the ice would not be a good thing then
BingoBoingo: Hasimir: As much as I drink, not sure my piss would freeze at zero
mircea_popescu: Hasimir minus the fact that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import the diddled exponent keys yeah
Hasimir: and it usually gives different errors for those it rejects, which you can match to specific symptoms in the code
mircea_popescu: much more interesting would be an assay of the various windows and perhaps mac implementations
Hasimir: and I'm running 1.4.19 and 2.1.4
Hasimir: though 1.4.19 has been adjusted to generate large keys
Hasimir: I can always recompile an older version ...
Hasimir: now 2.1.4 is modded to make stupidly large keys too ...
BingoBoingo threw in a bunch of fucking 1990's 512 an 76X keys...
BingoBoingo: Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a targeted manner... stronger than turd keys
Hasimir: v2 keys are pretty simple, though
Hasimir: and 512-bit, are you surprised?
BingoBoingo: Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest
Hasimir: though chances are No Such Agency have already broken the old ones out of habit
Hasimir: no doubt they've also trawled archives of alt.anon.messages
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of tactical nukes in a Disney movie
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin
gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi
gabriel_laddel: re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed to suffer hetrogyny
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,
BingoBoingo is horribru with money x-cept when I am awesome
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12; trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not this kind of pragmatic first step towards future hardware production?
gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t
gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests
gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi
gabriel_laddel: ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I
gabriel_laddel: DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.
gabriel_laddel: To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel portage already exists. not only would i not pay for it, i'd pay to have whoever packages gentoo atm whipped.
mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
☟︎☟︎ gabriel_laddel: "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i was replying to " you wouldn't shell over $100 for it?" strictly.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe that's the only approach, nor did i think it actually was yours, before encountering that line.
gabriel_laddel: how is buying an actually working package manager any different?
gabriel_laddel: "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"
mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Reagents have mass... *nix lax mass
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically, if it's any good it does lack it. if it actually sells then it has it, which is what windows is, basically.
mircea_popescu: this would be in the category of ipad jackpot simulators i guess.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the mass Windows sell for is its scleroisis
BingoBoingo: Seriously A/UX, Solaris 8/9, FreeBSD(ANY) all massless and free
gabriel_laddel: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite
mircea_popescu: yes, they buy classes, and no hyperchem lite is not Chemistry.
mircea_popescu: but if your thing needs classes you conceivably failed by your own criteria.
BingoBoingo: H2F, H2S04, and Urushiol are all very different very dangerous problems
gabriel_laddel: I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?
mircea_popescu: among other things, i am saying that people only move to america if it's free. if it's not free they stay home.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Nah, because people do pay for chemistry. Just the paid parts f chemistry have no portage analogues
mircea_popescu: not saying that money can't be made out of america, obviously.
BingoBoingo: So, local missouri/illinois wines... not so bad if they are white
mircea_popescu: the first railroad company didn't make money, tho railroad was a money maker eventually.
mircea_popescu: the spanish invented the new world mostly to make the dutch (and their later english colony) richer for it. etc.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that is a game for much older and richer folk than you, to create a new world.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the full blown version of my original doubts.
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BingoBoingo: So, Illinois moscato... WOuld make great salad dressing
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cazalla: BingoBoingo drinking wine? never!
mircea_popescu: and at some point not so long ago this was supposedly a big fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: now that they buried the world under their xml crapolade, they can just go away. nobody's going to go "hey, the shit sucked!111" NOW.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Purging all the local shit from the premises
mircea_popescu: and back then it was all "nowai it rocks!111 time will show!!1"
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Vexual: I'll be your mision to the end of the line
BingoBoingo: There is nothing more whorifying than 'Murica
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Present teen movie in binge is "bring it on"
BingoBoingo: Any volunteer who can put the mass in ass???
BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform has me watching all the teen movies
BingoBoingo: Ah asciilifeform films, Missy is the poo so take a big wiff
Vexual: if you're tlking about the kid on the honda, he hit the redline eraly
BingoBoingo: Eliza Dushku, the Jews, and the hard problems
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform here's a thought : we had 15 broken keys when phuctor had seen 159k keys ; and we have 19 now, it's just a shade under 200k. curious if the 1 in 10k thing keeps throughout the 4mn
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "bring it on" not bad ascii knows his subject and its tropes
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual We throw people in the air and...
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Eliza Dushku is a teen, that storie concerns a nigger
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cazalla: not so sure i'm a fan (not that we have any black women down under)
cazalla: not many around and even fewer full bloods
cazalla: most of em are 1/8 abo at this point
BingoBoingo: Massah if you got dem abbos you can get werk dun
cazalla: pink pussy contrasted with the black skin doesn't really do it for me either
cazalla: not that i'd pass up the opportunity to try
BingoBoingo: I dun see why not. Black girls got the best smell on their pinks.
cazalla: i'll have to take your word for it at this point
cazalla: i think i've met.. 3 african women down under
cazalla: all 3 were hambeasts no less
cazalla: it can.. on the plus side, it's far the fuck away from the rest of hte world and their shit
BingoBoingo: I CHALLENGE THE WELTERWeight NIGGER OF THE WORLD FLOYD MAYWEAther for a bit of freindly sparring
BingoBoingo: As posessor of a GPG signature in L2 of Assbot's web of trust...I challenge anyone in my L3 trust to contest my in face punching for the real world welterweight championship of face punching
BingoBoingo: ^ ;;later tell gabriel_ladell That is how you break a cartell
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I started with normall cheapo vodka. Watched an alf movie and drank missouri wine over "Mean Girls". Was in a mood drank Illinois white over "Bring it on"
BingoBoingo not disappoint because Eliza Dushku makes Pete Dushenski countable people
cazalla: can't say i've seen mean girls before
cazalla: i think the last all girl movie i watched was something like the craft
cazalla: buttfinex supposedly got ganked for 500 btc
kakobrekla: btw i dunno how i got that 1 year reddit in my ircs
davout: "buttfuckex" <<< kekobrekla
kakobrekla: also, you weirdos, if anyone has a 'usaf 596' tube laying around per chance, wtb.
jurov: mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 07:25:43; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Name some free *nix you may have paid for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00028751 = 18.8607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11035 @ 0.00028425 = 3.1367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53043 @ 0.00028097 = 14.9035 BTC [-]
jurov: the day of reckoning...buttfinex haxed, trolltalk haxed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7000 @ 0.00043275 = 3.0293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65500 @ 0.00028023 = 18.3551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 02:31:08; mod6: it's "sub ohm" 0.5ohm / Range 15-30W kangeronline.com/products/kanger-subtank-plus-clearomizer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73916 @ 0.00027815 = 20.5597 BTC [-]
Naphex: so.. bitfinex hacked. just as they switched to AlphaPoint and Microsoft servers
davout: Naphex: "microsoft servers" <<< ???
Naphex: davout: didn't they switch to AlphaPoint Trading Engine?
Naphex: davout: as far as I know its written in c# and runs on wind0s
Adlai: ... which is a giant blob of .net
Adlai: "We are looking for an individual who can take a leadership role in architecting and developing our core C# platform."
Adlai: in their defense, they request "Strong capabilities in: C#, .NET; Xamarin, Mono" so maybe they run production trading engines on emulators
Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
☟︎ Adlai is glad that he no longer runs scalpl on buttfixen
Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
☟︎ Adlai: the decreasing returns were not worth the increasing derpage
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:21:37; Hasimir: well, that and having to explain to the python-gnupg dev why people might want to sign something with 2 keys
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 sorry, that disadvantage of having staging evironment, posting dev links right and left...shoulda abolish that << no worries :]
mod6: <+kakobrekla> lol buttfuckex << haha
jurov: yo mod6. so either you'll work with the /srv/mailman/.../turds.sqlite directly or supply me at least partial list
jurov: what went into -RELEASE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74950 @ 0.00028215 = 21.1471 BTC [+]
mod6: Ok, I can certainly manage coming up with a list of everything that went into -RELEASE. And probably a handfull of others that didn't.
mod6: for instance, 'auto' is in there a bunch of times, but only one version obv. made it in.
jurov: well, you can post it right to the list
mod6: Anyway, np. I'll work on it.
mod6: so with "based on" ... am i undstanding that correctly that column is a link (pointer) to it's previous version?
mike_c: "Excitement!!! Excellence! Launching ahead to better humanity! Ethereum!!! Congratulations!
mike_c: EXCITING :-)" speaking of cults..
jurov: mod6 i was thinking just a version name for both columns
jurov: links can be generated but imo they are not needed
jurov: do we have a link for '0.5.3-chicken' anyway?
jurov: that's what most of the patches would be based on
jurov: or to the lxr source browser
mod6: oh, now... no we don't have a link to that thing. what is it anyway, i can't recall.
jurov: lol the phoundation released 5 versions (incl. rc) since feb?
jurov: inb4 next major version "Bitcoin Core 10"
mod6: nothing seems to come up at that link?
mod6: oh maybe i didn't wait long enough re redirect
jurov: you can use the latter link
jurov: should be always our newest release
mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00028754 = 7.8642 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ok cool. i'll add a link up there in just a bit.
mod6: think i'll just add a "links" section
mod6: asciilifeform: haha, yeha, mine is now queued with 5419 in front of it. haha, oh well. :]
mod6: jurov: ok added link to that under "Links". That ok with you?
jurov: you haven't used the hyperadvanced lisp runtime that can be snapshottet and restarted?
jurov: if they cycle you once in a week
jurov: dunno where i got the notion from
jurov: i'm not talking about immunity. only restartability
decimation: part of the problem is as ascii has identified - you really want every part to be inspectible by the end user
decimation: the only other method I can think that is reasonably acceptable in this way is radiactive decay
decimation: asciilifeform: your earlier analogy of the deer kneeling before the hunter is apt
decimation: tubes just don't do well with gaseous filling
decimation: no my understanding is that folks are 'recycling' old soviet tubes mainly
decimation: which probably have some variation themselves
Apocalyptic: "Similarly, the modulus of Peter Anvin's key is also divisible by 19 and 7704959, in addition to 3, 7 and 11 as" // I have found these two additional primes as well, and only those 2
decimation: yeah I suspect that most nuclear facilities have golden toilet budgets for fancier stuff
Apocalyptic: "2) The public exponent is changed to 281479271743489" for which key ?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, If I get some time I will, it requires a more carefull analysis that it may seem
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, even the HPA's invalid subkey ? I thought pgpdump showed me e = 65537
Apocalyptic: "RSA e(17 bits) - 01 00 01" on the last two Public Subkey Packet
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, by the way do you have any explanation as to why pgpdump skips the KeyID field on invalid subkeys ?
Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
☟︎ chetty: someone getting ideas from fetlife :D
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62246 @ 0.00028103 = 17.493 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes:
http://dpaste.com/1SJBXB5.txt << previous experience lead me to expect `make install` to, well, install all of the relevant things. trinque, asciilifeform: any obvious mistakes or bad thoughts on my part you'd care to rectify?
trinque: ben_vulpes: I bet process_rpower_integration(order,
trinque: if method and method.processor == 'rpower'
trinque: ben_vulpes: I BET LD_LIBRARY_PATH IS WEIRD ON OS X
trinque: ALSO HAVE SOME PYTHON CODE
trinque: now everybody knows lisp has weirded up the way I do my parenthesis
trinque: ben_vulpes: lemme fix a thing and then I'll see how that compares to my build of dieharder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22604 @ 0.00027831 = 6.2909 BTC [-]
jurov: ben_vulpes: check if you have /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
jurov: any time libraries are installed, ldconfig should be ran
ben_vulpes: <jurov> and run ldconfig << that was it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23646 @ 0.00028474 = 6.733 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "use libtool" << so as to speak "just type libtool at the prompt"
ben_vulpes: `curl log.bitcoin-assets.com | sudo sh`
jurov: how did you hook up the rng in the end?
jurov: since i have rpi, i'd have just used gpio pin.. you have no hw with gpio?
ben_vulpes: no hw with gpio, but now that you mention rpi mebbe i should try that
ben_vulpes: was going to wire it up to a microphone
jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i was anticipating some really lame dsp-by-hand
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jurov: or maybe it's just slow, is there some attack?
jurov: it did not fetch the title
kakobrekla: thats cause mp/cp fucked up one of his servers
☟︎ kakobrekla: anyway someone else can run proxy title parser and ill use that
jurov: glad to be helpful
jurov: you can always !down yourself
kakobrekla: cant, still have my lower pair of ribs
jurov: lampelina can !down you then
jurov: quite an arrangement, this
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00028573 = 7.2155 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ba comes with all sorts of implications
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49147 @ 0.00028975 = 14.2403 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Hello, what brings you around?
Kalki: Not much just seeing if anything interesting is being discussed
jurov: yes, check out our logs
Kalki: Pretty newb around these parts but find it quite refreshing as I have been swimming in the shallow btc waters looking for honesty
assbot: Kalki is not registered in WoT.
jurov: um.. i wanted the "first steps"
jurov: anyway it's linked from there
kakobrekla: somebody actually fixed that so it does not include gribble anymore
Kalki: Kakobrekla - do you mean get it together with a wot setup? Or what does !gettrust mean?
jurov: yes, set up the wot
Kalki: Yeah been meaning to... Still reading and catching up -
jurov: better sooner than later... before the new account fee rises again
Kalki: Wait - it's not the same as the fee for mpex is it?
Kalki: Nm I will look later
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how plenty of the conjectures that are still open problems are around a century old.
ben_vulpes: is gabriel_laddel's business model really that bad?
ben_vulpes: professional services and licenses for the custom ware the software so produced run on?
trinque: ben_vulpes: he's apparently going to help me install his masamune this weekend
trinque: I found his repo, built it and bitched that it didn't work :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00029268 = 17.7657 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: and no, I personally don't think anyone will ever pay for such a thing enough to sustain its development
trinque: gotta bolt it to some service he'd provide with the thing that's desirable on its own
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival.
mircea_popescu: the notion that one'll make money from "licenses" in the future... heh. not such a great plan.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I take that as "we'll figure out the business model later" when I hear it
mircea_popescu: he did seem of the "i feel like hacking on this so fu" persuasion.
trinque: "people pay for me; I have value"
trinque: yeah my mother has no problem with me living on her couch either; doesn't mean I do it
trinque: also the selection thing is scrolling to the paragraph involved, but not selecting
trinque: Chrome 42.0.2311.152 (64-bit) Gentoo
mircea_popescu: if any of you ever getting unexpected behaviour feel for some unknown reason a compulsion to debug the whys and wherefores, i would certainly listen
mircea_popescu: but i can't be sending people on this snipe expedition because i am a poorfag.
mircea_popescu: hiring interview "mr X we will need you to debug all the browsers." "that's fine, but i will need all the moneys" "we only have a fraction of the moneys" "then i can debug a fraction of the browsers" "well... that isn't useful is it now."
trinque: heh, I was just mentioning elsewhere that the only right way to write browser JS is in the mode of a schizoid paranoiac, suspecting all but the most basic features of it of trying to steal your precious bodily fluids
trinque: mircea_popescu: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 419 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
trinque: the line which is 623 on trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/
trinque: Uncaught IndexSizeError: Failed to execute 'setEnd' on 'Range': The offset 118 is larger than or equal to the node's length (0).
trinque: that JS does have the human hair, glue and googly eyes look to it
trinque: mircea_popescu: if I call scrollToHash in the console myself, it works
trinque: smells like a race condition
jurov: any such stuff must be done delayed, not immediately
jurov: in onLoad/onDOMReady handler
jurov: (maybe it is i haven't looked)
jurov: i'd expect such problems still
jurov: one of these "schizoid paranoiac" things i rather always follow
trinque: jurov: he's got a delay in there of 500ms
jurov: ah. just my 2 satoshi
trinque: all this checking for null shit... beatings
trinque: when you JS, you must resist the temptation to think like JS, haha
trinque: no prototype chains, no "new", no nothing
jurov: different kinds of
trinque: "are your really, really, really ready browser?"
mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i adding 50 lines of code to deal with chrome's speshul.
trinque: window.onload = initScrollToHash;
trinque: setTimeout(initScrollToHash, 500);
trinque: ^ looks like hax trying to deal with it
trinque: he's saying run it at whatever the browser thinks load is, and also 500ms later because reasons
trinque: and also, it works for me on certain pages, not others
trinque: so 500ms is likely not enough... sometimes
trinque: mircea_popescu: jquery literally spin-checks to work around this
jurov: a clue: i get delayed errors for avatars in chrome console. maybe it's related
trinque: mircea_popescu: no, does not work on the original page in question
jurov: if it won't work till all avatars load, that would explain why it works on some pages
mircea_popescu: so what, doesn't make dom available until the missing linked images timeout ?
jurov: yeah that's sooo derpy
trinque: yeah, looks to be "page with comments == borken"
trinque: that holds after a bit of spot checking
trinque: yup, I thought at first it was "long page", but newp, works fine on long pages long as there aren't comments
jurov pours himself some wine
mircea_popescu: jurov better hurry up with that wine, bingo's asleep and cazalla not up yet.
mircea_popescu: b-a is trying to keep one guy drunk at all times, a sort of olympic... flame.
trinque: this browser thing needs a look someday, has to go
jurov: obsolete all browsers!
trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done
jurov: trinque: are you aware what was ecmascript inspired by?
trinque: jurov: eich even said it shoulda been a scheme later
trinque: but forget the whole dom braindamage; that probably would've remained if he had
trinque: just gimme drawing in a rectangle, and let people write higher level widgetry things atop that
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:41:19; Naphex: Adlai: that'd be probably more dumb :P
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 13:42:24; Adlai: twas sometime between the seventh and eleventh book crossing that we screamed fuckit and drained the account
Adlai currently has negative net bitcoin debt
jurov: bitcoinica forever
mircea_popescu: then "everyone" (of the idiots) is simply copying their "price" and then the world derps abouit how "capitalism creates economic cycles"
mircea_popescu: no dude. capitalism is not involved. stop being a herd of idiots wtf.
mircea_popescu: this is like "decentralization doesn't work becasue we all used the same copy of decentralized software and got ownered"
Adlai: who's copying what price?
Adlai: last i checked 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE
mircea_popescu: Adlai isn't buttfinex the one of the web exchanges with the largest random number published under "volume" ?
Adlai: they at least charge their customers for helping them boost that number
Adlai: either way, their order book has been crossing at an increasingly frequent rate
Adlai: screenshots all over the reddits, for the curious
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:24:52; mod6: heheh, redirect works fine with lynx, seems to not work well with FF.
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's actually in my reports, too. the part i hadn't read thereof.
mircea_popescu has been skipping the web exchanges header for... months, now.
Adlai has brought scalpl for some drydock, next voyage planned for the cross-chain seas
jurov: any stats how much it made?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:29:20; asciilifeform: incidentally, now more than ever is the time to set up an sks server under our control. because sks is our ultimate 'backup'
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 14:57:39; jurov: "Internal Whitening" ftw
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:03:03; asciilifeform: tube also wears out very quickly
mircea_popescu: it's not only that it wears off quickly, it wears off as a function of... HOW MUCH IT DETECTED
Adlai: jurov: there's lots of data, but motivation to do anything scalpl-related is currently at all-time lows
jurov: where were we with S.MPOE?
jurov: it was not feasible or?
Adlai wanted to build a simulator to check feasibility
mircea_popescu: tandem arrangements can to some degree help, but it gets rapidly iffy (tandem arrangements of radiation detectors are fundamentally looking at the same event, at least some of the time - not so with electronic noise like cardano measures, where tandem detectors are actually looking at distinct events)
jurov: ohno... this mpex simulator stuff again
Adlai: it's not necessary, but the alternative is to not simulate, which requires an account
jurov: i can give you access to mpexagent
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:23:45; Apocalyptic: quite amusing that 281479271743489 has 65537 as one of its 3 prime factors, those cosmic rays have a sense of humour
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows what exactly multiplying the exponent by a factor in the key does.
mircea_popescu: mp does fetlife, weev does aff. i guess i lose out huh.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 17:49:51; jurov: yes i'm curious what will be the best sampling method.. timing the pulses with some fast counter?
jurov: so ben_vulpes will then use camera to get the random bits off osciloscope?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 18:19:06; jurov: quite an arrangement, this
mircea_popescu: incidentally, asciilifeform & all : is b-a pgp going to use vsh for hashing ?
Adlai: (... but this requires customized JSON parser at the receiving side, that isn't always practical.) << pffffff (setf json:*real-handler* (lambda (string) (parse-float string :type 'rational)))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49941 @ 0.00027815 = 13.8911 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, jurov's wine is safe, i prefer a half dozen cup of teas in the morning, not wine
ascii_modem: vsh << good but we want it in tandem with, e.g., whirlpool
ascii_modem: rng sampling << shift register , external clock, optocouplers
trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune." be careful, you're underestimating the colossal difficulty of this and there are old skeletons on old battlefields that thought the same. *do you have the connections to make these sales to big businesses, militaries, private schools, and so on?*
☟︎ trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol << ftr this is exactly why I said this
trinque: "yeah I could see people buying this" is not a sales strategy
trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do
trinque: and try to land the client first, don't just assume it'll happen when you're ready
trinque: I've had deals that took two years to close
trinque: then you set up your contract with them such that they're paying for the specific tool, and establish with them that the license for that is distinct from the one for Masamune
trinque: and the above is by no means saying that'd be easy
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 15:29:17; asciilifeform: l0l! that thing actually existed as something other than spam ads ?!
cazalla: was sorta like tinder for people like me in their 20's 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: seriously, you "can't spy on military" because magic ? srsly, "time is his for the asking" for being FAMOUS ? gtfo.
trinque: right alongside a bunch of competitors that are going to get brutalized by hackers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, all the nontrivial factors found have very interesting binary symmetries.
mircea_popescu: key 4.1 : 17742509903907 = 1000000100011 0000000000000000000 1000000100011
mircea_popescu: key 4.2 : 4294967297 = 100000000000000000000000000000001
mircea_popescu: key 5.1 : 7301444404 = 1101100 11001100 11001100 1100110100
mircea_popescu: key 5.2 : 270582939711 = 111111 00000000000000000000000000 111111
mircea_popescu: key 7.1 : 98784247831 = 1011100000000000000000000000000010111
mircea_popescu: key 7.2 : 30064771079 = 11100000000000000000000000000000111
mircea_popescu: key 8.1 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
mircea_popescu: key 8.2 : 21474836485 = 10100000000000000000000000000000101
mircea_popescu: key 10.2 : 12884901891 = 1100000000000000000000000000000011
mircea_popescu: let's try and count the types. first, there's two types with key 4.2. type T1.1 like 4.x and 10.x, which include a central symmetry factor 2nd key ; type T1.2 like 6.x and 9.x which does not
mircea_popescu: then there's central symmetry like in 7.1 or 4.2, but there's also simple repeating like in 4.1
mircea_popescu: and some keys are made of modules with two central symmetry factors, whereas some other keys only include one
hanbot: 5.1 and 7.1 better example of repeating, 101 could be just like 100000100011. 11/101/111 are all symmetric to so you don't know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58697 @ 0.0002805 = 16.4645 BTC [+] {2}
hanbot: looks like a good heuristic of what factors to try first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53561 @ 0.00028575 = 15.3051 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: big congrats go out to phuctor team from dwarven contingency
funkenstein_: is there a story to go with the triangle on the middle finger?
jurov: can you tell where/when?
jurov: looks like you haven't used the patch IDs
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupidly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like downloading phuctor's P and trying all these types of divisors on it see if we already contain one
ben_vulpes: else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts