asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this one's not entirely rotten. see logs.

asciilifeform: (not the specific paper, aha, but the concept)

asciilifeform: !s nonoutsourceable

asciilifeform: !s non-outsourceable

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: as for why this general thing, see mr mold: 'The CS-research bureaucrat's main difficulty is that no one wants to fund bureaucrats. Therefore, he must pretend to be either a creative programmer or a mathematician, preferably both. Since this task is critical to his survival, he is extremely good at it. The bureaucrat has many strategies. But probably his best is to take an area of creative programming and devour it like a locu

asciilifeform: st, by turning it into a form of mathematics. Math outcompetes creative programming in the funding process, simply because it appears to be more rigorous. It is more rigorous, and it generates a longer, deeper river of more impressive publications. And, because its area is nominally applied, it doesn't have to compete with the real mathematicians over in "algorithms," who would clean the bureaucrats' clocks in five minutes.'

asciilifeform: (from the mega-classic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: '... Whatever their tactics, what CS bureaucrats always sacrifice is relevance. Of course everyone has a conscience, and everyone would like to be actually relevant. But, especially when the only people checking up are your own godfathers in the funding agencies, it's much easier to pretend to be relevant. Actual relevance is extremely difficult to achieve, and hardly rewarding at all. In fact it's embarrassing, because everyo

asciilifeform: ne who isn't relevant and knows it has an automatic grudge against you. Since CS research is quite competitive, evolution has its way, and relevance goes the way of the snake's legs.'

asciilifeform recommends whole thing

asciilifeform: didja key that in on a telegraph or what

asciilifeform: ;;seen artifexd

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280000 << win ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut

asciilifeform: l0l, ulbricht

asciilifeform: 'the history you didn't know' (tm)

asciilifeform: hey it sure beats seeing them from inside !

asciilifeform: (inside the firebrick, with the gas on, where else)

asciilifeform: 'I saw a huge steam roller, / It blotted out the sun. / The people all lay down, lay down; / They did not try to run. / ... ...' - k. vonnegut

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: comment on the relative merits of -10 vs 'unrate'

asciilifeform: as in, what is the logic above

asciilifeform: (when does it make sense to unrate a fuckwit, vs keep -10)

asciilifeform: as i understood, a negrate is a kind of radioactive tomb, a warning to others

asciilifeform: but is he cured in any sense, or just removed from the opportunity to commit atrocities at the given moment ?

asciilifeform: but do we know whether this was the lion's share of his pocket, or just pocket lint ?

asciilifeform: but isn't this because a sandwich cost 100,000 btc at the time?

asciilifeform: ah hm.

asciilifeform given that we had the thread re: 'market depths' today, cannot help but wonder whether a fella with, e.g., 10,000 btc in those times did ~not~ actually see himself as in possession of 40,000 usd

asciilifeform: possibly this sounds batshit, but it could explain why the 'early adopt' folks were so eager to part with their coin in return for a song and a promise

asciilifeform: but whenever someone seems willing to mass-sell, it tanks ?

asciilifeform: my current understanding is that treating price as a scalar is loony

asciilifeform: it isn't a scalar.

asciilifeform: more of a tensor.

asciilifeform: unrelated but spiffy, http://www.adapower.com/index.php?Command=classes&Title=Source+Treasury

asciilifeform: (sorta like the old 'swag' for pascal !)

asciilifeform: TomServo: bullet whistled by, took off your hat ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'll be something like the film 'memento'

asciilifeform: i can picture it.

asciilifeform: TomServo: for all we know, it just split into parcels

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nein

asciilifeform: 375290 and running

asciilifeform: how long have you sat there ?

asciilifeform realized that this question is auto-answerable

asciilifeform: hm does gribble have a block-->epochaltime function ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who are you pulling from ?

asciilifeform: ahahahahaha

asciilifeform: yes, nominally the thing is a p2p gadget, this oughta work, no? but in reality, yer cooking with gutter oil

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any blackholing observed ?

asciilifeform: naturally

asciilifeform: how else.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most dire flaw, per my current understanding, is that the thing is loathe to discard a peer ☟︎

asciilifeform: and when it does, ends up selecting a new peer more or less wildly

asciilifeform: (and so simply ends up wasting time spent on reconnecting)

asciilifeform: realize that nobody but us (and the quasi-mythical 'smart miners') are running full nodes now.

asciilifeform: (phoundation's header-first-sync thing is not a node...!)

asciilifeform: rewinding to, ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-08-2015#1234821 ☝︎

asciilifeform: pogo is pending on two undone things:

asciilifeform: 1) hard-limited, value-weighted tx mempool

asciilifeform: 2) http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/rss_d1746f76523316edcdc82326213f8953bf6f0d09.png

asciilifeform: ('2' shows the behaviour of a deterministically-syncing (from disk: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html -- (!!!) node. the block index grows linearly, ~300 byte per block.) this is entirely undigestible on a pogo.

asciilifeform: we can't have the thing occupying the entirety of ram.

asciilifeform: (and then some)

asciilifeform: JUST FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING BLKINDEX

asciilifeform: i put an obscene and prolly unjustifiable amount of sweat into narrowing down the causes of the misery to 1 and 2.

asciilifeform: at one time there was a '3' - glibc-free, static, rom-burnable bitcoind. but we have it now.

asciilifeform: for all the good it did, re: pogo...

asciilifeform: btw there are misleading figures circulating re: 'size of the mempool today is 5MB' etc.

asciilifeform: useless, garbage number, anyone who claims to have a calculated value for it is lying or utterly illiterate

asciilifeform: punkman: it appears to come from liberated ram no longer needed for disk cache

asciilifeform: punkman: later i created a mechanism to measure only consumption from within the process proper, but i did not have time to turn this into a plot.

asciilifeform: punkman: what i ended up doing was manually combing the code for 'what gets eaten but never shat', and found the block index to be the obvious culprit.

asciilifeform: i must also remind people that, sadly, these days i do not have anything close to the amount of time and energy needed to properly nail this thing.

asciilifeform: unless i somehow stumble across buried treasure, etc., it will have to be nailed by someone who is not me.

asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu ought to get busy teaching his pets cpp

asciilifeform: (either that, or tell me where the buries treazurez are!)

asciilifeform: this is called fragging.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am curious as to the logic of this inference.

asciilifeform: tx-en are verified serially.

asciilifeform: the scratch space used for the verification is allocated on the stack ☟︎

asciilifeform: and freed after each script ver.

asciilifeform: let's actually do this one

asciilifeform: it is.

asciilifeform: i have the thing on screen as we speak.

asciilifeform: they will program in ada, in hell

asciilifeform: this is btw a beautiful pun, often exploited, in ru: язык ада == 'the language of hell'

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 'lxr' is 1001 times more useful than doxygen. can haz both plz ?

asciilifeform: doxygen is RETARDED, it takes actual sweat to so much as link to a specific line of src

asciilifeform: and the file browser, always visible, is mega-annoying

asciilifeform: the thing is graphically spiffy but entirely worthless in practice.

asciilifeform: other than for the flow graphs.

asciilifeform: hence i am stuck using jurov's original. here goes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0941 << we start verifying block

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/script.cpp#1188 << verifying a tx sig

asciilifeform: laterz.

asciilifeform: mod6: the lxr thing is indispensible

asciilifeform: i use it every time i look at the thing at all.

asciilifeform: but seeing rel1 in it gets old, fast.

asciilifeform: i prolly ought to set the thing up on local disk

asciilifeform: editor doesn't give concordance

asciilifeform: (emacs will tell me where a string occurs, sure, but this is pointedly NOT what i want)

asciilifeform: it doesn't hurt to have it. for the call graphs.

asciilifeform: esp. since nobody ever did the chore, yet, of making a usable wall-sized call graph like i asked for

asciilifeform: (yes, someone did half of it, a btc's worth, but the result is not yet something i can send off to the print house and get a wall poster) ☟︎

asciilifeform: this very thing.

asciilifeform: he wrote some code which could, theoretically, be used to make this.

asciilifeform: 'Recently, however, Brar has fallen out of love with Facebook. He discovered — as Business Insider reported recently — that his Facebook fanbase was becoming polluted with thousands of fake likes from bogus accounts. He can no longer tell the difference between his real fans and the fake ones. Many appear fake because the users have so few friends, are based in developing countries, or have generic profile pictures.' << oh

asciilifeform: noez, he wanted genuine dead souls, not synthetic dead souls !!111111 ☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6: same

asciilifeform: mod6: my box is not wedged.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280374 << recall how everything is 'oversold' in the cable modem sense ? where actually ~using~ all of what you paid for, will break it or use it up in record time? well, this. ☝︎

asciilifeform has been recently carrying out a kind of survey of programming systems ~built for adults~. so far, nominees: common lisp, ada, standard ml. and that's ~it~

asciilifeform: rough and non-exhaustive summary of what 'for adults' means:

asciilifeform: 1) type safety 2) MULTIPLE independent implementations 3) at least two NATIVE compilers exist 4) written international standard, preferably published on dead tree

asciilifeform: under (1) i also include bounds checking and sane error handling

asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.

asciilifeform: under (3) i also include that native compiler must support unix threading

asciilifeform: (or it is not properly speaking 'native')

asciilifeform: whips and cuffs come with ada

asciilifeform: if your book didn't come with then, get yer money back

asciilifeform: *them

asciilifeform: i'd include forth, but it has the 'safety' of a frag grenade.

asciilifeform: (a frag is not a useless thing, has its place where nothing else will do. but only there.)

asciilifeform: i recall there was a thread where mircea_popescu unzipped and pissed on standards, but they are pretty much the only way you get to have (2) and (3)

asciilifeform: !up analmaster

asciilifeform: analmaster: a bit. about to do moar.

asciilifeform: analmaster: and you, for some reason, are rowing the galley today ?

asciilifeform: !up analmaster

asciilifeform: tr0l0l0l

asciilifeform: 'We know that millions of transactions per second can be scary to some, especially banks who still call their customers and require them to fax in documents. In myBlockchain, you can limit the rate of transactions per second by requiring verification by a shamefully underpaid human being in your "back office" in the third world, just like you are used to.' << mega-win

asciilifeform: 'Chances are that your bank already forked C++ because they didn't like its open nature, and you now have to pay millions every year to the one guy who knows where all the libraries are.' << ahahahaha this is a thing of beauty

asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/09/ulbricht-280-283.pdf << sr trial censored bits will stay censored.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^