shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.BingoBoingo.2:224302a371012a7e132efb7105dc1ccb57a0e4c9a250ee792ac66b5243bdf4a8
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92750 @ 0.00056829 = 52.7089 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: werd up
shinohai: how goes it
mod6: *whew* busy.
mod6: gonna grind on this stuff tonight
mod6: you?
ben_vulpes: i have been poking holes in poor mod6's v implementation for days now
mircea_popescu: dun stress him out now, ye hear ?
mod6: he's doing good work.
mod6: just trying to get everything back into sync
ben_vulpes: to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs
BingoBoingo: alf submission update: "reject: low quality" https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )
mircea_popescu: loller.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00056481 = 30.4433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 38450 @ 0.0004795 = 18.4368 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the hn post appears to have been zapped entirely.
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: gotta love the old sack of shit, never disappoints.
mircea_popescu: LOW QUALITY!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter"
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: hahaha what
asciilifeform: !up so
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forgot?
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun is the hn forum janitor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i never saw any reason to believe anything from the mouth of mr spam
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His being mr spam is why he was cheap hire for that
hanbot: i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket?
BingoBoingo: I thought they did
BingoBoingo: They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.00056351 = 11.2065 BTC [-]
hanbot: i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop
BingoBoingo: They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza
mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.
mircea_popescu: so... win-win, as they say in loserland.
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Y3YdnVu.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmY8xa )
BingoBoingo: In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973
assbot: Slashdot Poll | Regarding videos on Slashdot, should we: ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyhnA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46513 @ 0.00055669 = 25.8933 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up itkin
BingoBoingo: !up joshbuddy
mircea_popescu: http://49.media.tumblr.com/852f722c238d3065f474c5815f3e5c1c/tumblr_niycb0wlKg1qlne6uo1_400.gif << in other-other news, well trained girls exist.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyqYb )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqytTC )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting.
BingoBoingo: But will look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131400 @ 0.00055978 = 73.5551 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24095 @ 0.00055978 = 13.4879 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mega-blackhole-action today, incidentally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24505 @ 0.00055828 = 13.6807 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform qntra stayed online, note.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31327 @ 0.00056412 = 17.6722 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field
mircea_popescu: oh, that's what it is.
asciilifeform: for the lack of other hypothesis ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056735 = 12.0846 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: !s http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701
assbot: Judge Forces Apple to Help Unlock San Bernardino Shooter iPhone - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkwNq8 )
assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fstoryline%2Fsan-bernardino-shooting%2Fjudge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701
mircea_popescu: !up eamonnw
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.
mircea_popescu: and in more of the same news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/accfa02eea100e7bade52a5e8a944564/tumblr_niwamsdgFX1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qkxwrn )
shinohai: !rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/07321b80b5df9fd1
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.danielpbarron.2:ff63c3e961a9d1a3201f60e625a4ffc7ed3ed811136a77d2a9ee7d9ba7805cb4
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
shinohai: ^ did not want to scan
asciilifeform: sooooo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68686 @ 0.00056886 = 39.0727 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs
asciilifeform: tcpdump -nnXSs 0 port 8333
asciilifeform: on zoolag, to be specific
asciilifeform: which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66114 @ 0.00056956 = 37.6559 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: curiously enough, it turns out that,
asciilifeform: a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc)
asciilifeform: just, not accepting new connections, nor processing tx.
mircea_popescu: right.
phf: re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ?
mircea_popescu: there's no v-marriage is there ?
phf: topic needs a debate thread
mircea_popescu: preferably on hackereddit.
mircea_popescu: or wait what was that myspace called... twitterbook ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.'
mircea_popescu: is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?
asciilifeform: ('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD_(%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8F) << src
assbot: Чёрный ворон (песня) — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkzwjB )
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, old s0ng, of a soldier to a raven who is picking at his still-living flesh)
danielpbarron: i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father
danielpbarron: wife doesn't need a key
mircea_popescu: as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ?
asciilifeform: keyless wife is liable to get switcheroo'd, also
mircea_popescu: i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.
mircea_popescu: let the ravens do it.
danielpbarron: well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her
mircea_popescu: why not let her do it for him ?
danielpbarron: that too
danielpbarron: but the point is they are as one key, one flesh
mircea_popescu: it\s a slippery problem.
danielpbarron: it's like the penny auction collsion problem
mircea_popescu: in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key
mod6: how do i know who im talking to
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how do you issue an order, or take a dispatch, from a keyless animal ?
danielpbarron: well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose
danielpbarron: but that's not the same as an assbot registered key
mircea_popescu: what is this "unpublished key" ?
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: srsly
danielpbarron: a key that only you and her know
mircea_popescu: P stands for protocol, not for promise.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and after you wed the bayonet on the field ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp
asciilifeform: how does wife relay ?
danielpbarron: so use otp then
mircea_popescu: but otp can't sign.
danielpbarron: why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go?
mircea_popescu: how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow.
asciilifeform: yes, one can marry cow.
asciilifeform: but this has distinct down-sides.
mircea_popescu: can one ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure i'd recognize cow marriage. heck, im doubtful about same gender marriage.
asciilifeform: in a strictly psychiatric sense.
danielpbarron: wives are not that much unlike cattle are they?
mircea_popescu: i thought phf was trolling us with tmsr sense.
asciilifeform: the way people 'marry' bricks, forks, the color purple.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron depends on the wife.
danielpbarron: aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something?
mircea_popescu: computers aren't much unlike shoe boxes, either.
mircea_popescu: but this is not something anyone relishes.
phf cackles
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron plox to link me!
mod6: part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-14.log.html#t03:51:36
assbot: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-02-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6Pjbu )
danielpbarron: >> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor.
mircea_popescu: that's in eulora!
danielpbarron: so?
mircea_popescu: well it's a game, set in a fantasy medieval-ish setting!
mircea_popescu: it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.
danielpbarron: it's the most realistic game i ever played
mircea_popescu: this it may well be.
mircea_popescu: this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.
mircea_popescu: (trade does not need a market to happen, note)
danielpbarron: true i wouldn't call it any sort of market
danielpbarron: or it's more of a decentralized trade
danielpbarron: prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife
mircea_popescu: more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.
danielpbarron: or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry
mircea_popescu: it's not entirely clear father has much say.
danielpbarron: king has say
mircea_popescu: mmm.
mircea_popescu: how do kings work in a republic ?
danielpbarron: they get killed
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing someone should get killed because dude stumbled over nude girlie ?
danielpbarron: wait who should be killed in that situation?
mircea_popescu: a little death. let's not exaggerate.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here.
danielpbarron: i meant in a republic the king gets killed
mircea_popescu: well then he can't have much say can he ?
mod6: for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't see why he couldn't be.
mod6: just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating
mod6: so, no problem.
danielpbarron: i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king
mircea_popescu: well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.
mod6: but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.
mod6: further, some make it, most don't.
mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkBeS1 )
mod6: and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.
mod6: Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.
mod6: This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.
mod6: Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.
mod6: :]
phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403569 << http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 14:13:21; polarbeard: works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig
assbot: polarbeard_rm_unused_functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6QcAU )
phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
mod6: Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00056016 = 14.172 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pretty cooo mod6
mircea_popescu: but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on.
mod6: oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing.
phf: maybe press a new genesis with skull&crossbones in comments of header of every file. patch file contents will be identical, but hashes all different
mircea_popescu: aha.
mod6: i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and
mod6: then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow
mod6: heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while.
mod6: that maybe a horrible idea. lol.
mod6: anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing.
mircea_popescu: why not use the current comment symbol ?
mircea_popescu: b ut no, you do not wish to introduce state.
mod6: yah, see. not well thought out mod6.
mircea_popescu: different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.
mod6: ima think about it though, probably try some different things.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ben Carson will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85350 @ 0.00056981 = 48.6333 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 398779 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 388 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: Node Height: 317516 (79.6%)
mod6: how's that rollin along for ya?
shinohai: good so far, got stuck a bit earlier, restarted node unclogged.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57165 @ 0.00057025 = 32.5983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76150 @ 0.00055961 = 42.6143 BTC [-] {4}
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )
shinohai: ^ will do first thing in the a.m.
mod6: np, gonna give an additional step here in a sec.
mod6: so what would be great here, is if you apply the patch, or use the v.pl attached to the email (check the sigs ofc), then start clean, do a fresh `./v.pl i http://thebitcoin.foundation`, and then press out the entire tree, `./v.pl p v v054 asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch`, then `cd v054` and run that find command at the top of this pastehttp://dpaste.com/2SQ1VZ7.txt
mod6: You should end up with the exact same sha512 hashes as listed in the paste. Let me know, either way.
mod6: Thanks in advance everyone. Salud!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ? << I'd need more context on the details motivating the dismissal
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqytTC )
phf: pocorgtfo http://btcbase.org/patches/experimental-genesis
phf: mod6 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^
phf: source patched with http://paste.lisp.org/display/307448, run with a folder as argument and it'll prepend a header based on some conditions (rtfs) to all files
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnj3QK )
mircea_popescu: nb.
asciilifeform: neato!
mircea_popescu: in celebratory news, bottoms up! http://41.media.tumblr.com/67c3aa7312c56f9a487262b68d9c2086/tumblr_nifno7D83G1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGvqdL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141200 @ 0.00055952 = 79.0042 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/699706718419345408
mod6: phf: cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.0005591 = 37.5715 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00057062 = 10.6706 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: In other news when I was at the store today acquired 1lb carbon zinc battery for great justice
BingoBoingo: Not sure if exactly one pound, but given it's heft that's what it feels like.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do these go ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for great justice
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, 6v "floating lantern" to toss into trunk of car and hopefully forget for 3 years until it needs replacement
asciilifeform: why not cranked lantern?
mircea_popescu: this fucking climate is beyond comprehension. IT GETS LOTS WARMER AFTER THE SUN SETS.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because if I need lantern light I'm probably going to need enough light to illuminate active worksite
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is 1 am 5 degrees above 1pm ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Welcome to my world. Several days last week high of the day was immediately before sunrise.
mircea_popescu: is it some weird like "during day air moves off river, but at night direction change, hot air moves from plain towards river" or somesuch ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Precise monster zinc carbon went into is "everready dolphin" which walmart had on clearance, for same price as blue pogo which has moved still further down.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here it's "so much plains air moves with impunity"
deedbot-: [Qntra] Western Constitutional Hero Denied 8th Amendment Right To Make Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/02/western-constitutional-hero-denied-8th-amendment-right-to-make-bail/
BingoBoingo: ^ Far more interesting that Barret Brown likely going stoolie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122017 @ 0.00055917 = 68.2282 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36633 @ 0.00055439 = 20.309 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whossat again ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Barret Brown was "Anonymous" namefag journalist.
punkman: still not sold on the dual genesis, but if the foundation moves forward with this model, I suggest the new genesis is the release/production/stable branch and the existing genesis the experimental one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45418 @ 0.00057106 = 25.9364 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: davout http://dpaste.com/0D9T5ZR
assbot: dpaste: 0D9T5ZR ... ( http://bit.ly/20YuNiE )
mircea_popescu: punkman you think ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: makes more sense, lots of experimentals in existing genesis
mircea_popescu: not afaik. like what ?
punkman: shiva for one, my patches, polarbeard's patches
mircea_popescu: shiva is not in.
punkman: in what?
mircea_popescu: in the tree.
mircea_popescu: or wait, did alf rebase it ?
mircea_popescu: i recall it had its own genesis.
punkman: the tinyscheme stands alone but there;s also 2-3 other patches related to it that touch trb
mircea_popescu: what do you mean by touch ?
punkman: like this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160128/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2.vpatch?sha1=abc9c21e3c86e7a540b20e49a6ebc86017758e48
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfF7pT )
mircea_popescu: now how do i go from that to phf's nice tree thing ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2
assbot: asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OfFe4G )
mircea_popescu: yeah he rebased it didn't he. i c.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407796 << this might seem odd to you because you never (presumably) cared about the signal that an honours degree sent to potential employers. ie. the type who sort resumes by "has degree, doesn't. has honours, doesn't." which'd mostly be gov, so... it depends. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 00:49:56; *: mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.
mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski much larger fish than usual in a very tiny pond. what employers. crony capitalism ftw.
mircea_popescu: i dun think there exists even today the romanian speaker who a) is competent in the sense contemplated here and b) actually applies for a job, any job.
pete_dushenski: right, so bring on the best of the best of the nastiest of the crudest of the shrewdest teachers :)
mircea_popescu: there's not even space for head hunters, people just know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a signed path through it.
BingoBoingo: Sure
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: was there not status in working for 'foreign' firm ? did these not have interview/application processes ?
mircea_popescu: these jobs sucked, because foreign firm without exception tried to pay local salaries and demand foreign work.
mircea_popescu: much better deal to actually work in their home location.
mircea_popescu: some people did that.
punkman: a sidenote that came to mind looking at phf's lisp snippet: adding comments to everything for release patches (and alt-genesis) doesn't work so great if you have non-plaintext files. not a problem for trb as it is, but perhaps something to keep in mind.
mircea_popescu: but no, by and large there was no status there. for middling derps, yes. but not otherwise.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok. so guy wants to improve his station by moving abroad to work for multinational. and he doesn't apply for this job by mailing a few pieces of paper with letters on them, but more importantly with ~numbers~ on them, lending clear incentive to find easy > great teacher in uni ?
mircea_popescu: the occasional exception being local lion backed by foreign capital, resulting in things like say protv. but very much exceptional, and only capable of existing in specific niches. also, temporary things.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ro schooling isn't going to impress anyway.
mircea_popescu: though arguably it should, but that's another discussion.
pete_dushenski: quite.
mircea_popescu: for instance, i took rhetorics with the worlds best rhetorics teacher, no doubt about it. she gave me an 80%, which was by far my lowest mark that year, but then again a good 20% over the next best in the 800 strong year.
punkman: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What truly is a release other than a particular V tree? << a release is a vpatch that adds a comment to every single file. or at least that was the plan.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... who the fuck exactly knows who elena dragos is.
pete_dushenski: now, the logs.
mircea_popescu: punkman the important point there is that mod6 signs it.
mircea_popescu: the girls especially loathed her.
pete_dushenski: because no special treatment ? no soft pandering to their fee-fees ?
mircea_popescu: eh who even knows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24505 @ 0.00056544 = 13.8561 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: prolly something like that.
phf: punkman: is comments in code still the plan? that seems to suffer from similar issues as experimental branch
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407940 << /me clicks excitedly! finds what appears to be toyota 'egg' van and two not particularly eager-looking sluts, which was a bit of a let down. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:36:58; mircea_popescu: speaking of the king of jordan and his mercedes, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fb142efbdc04ec9115a00b342da8e762/tumblr_nir0r5aLaw1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: but i guess there can't be ~that~ many pics of abdullah pounding white poon in the back of his open-air 600 landaulet
pete_dushenski: at least not on tumblr
mircea_popescu: lol
punkman: phf, seems so. my initial suggestion was releases as patch sequence files, but I don't think anyone liked this idea. My vtron does .seq files with "foo.vpatch \t sha512(foo.vpatch) \n" inside, which works for my blobby vtronized things.
pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-politics-tech-idUSKCN0VP2TJ << the x of y finally comes to bitcoin in 2016.
assbot: Flux Party seeks to be the bitcoin of Australian politics| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVHdQX )
pete_dushenski: "like the uber of toilet paper!"
pete_dushenski: "the facebook of buttsex!"
pete_dushenski: "the tesla of television!"
pete_dushenski: in related news, https://49.media.tumblr.com/aa87a865abcffd7bf9667a05c79bce78/tumblr_o2nlbskSfq1qg51mgo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qp8Z )
pete_dushenski: and unrelated news that i wish were related https://49.media.tumblr.com/dfeb8d3d74d56b42e20a03c0b18adc87/tumblr_o0pri49FVK1v0wc8oo2_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qqK7 )
punkman: "the Indiana Jones of exploring crotch", "the Shakespeare of enormous cock"
pete_dushenski: it's not polite to talk about how hung will s. was. it'd be like asking him how much he's paid.
BingoBoingo: http://epmonthly.com/article/hydroxocobalamin-turning-cyanide-into-vitamin-b12/
assbot: Hydroxocobalamin: Turning Cyanide into Vitamin B12 - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1R7qRE6 )
pete_dushenski: https://45.media.tumblr.com/5324017569c091d792f9dd15ae4451c0/tumblr_o2ioiyS3E31tyncywo1_500.gif << hurr durr
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVHQtZ )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35548 @ 0.00056946 = 20.2432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51822 @ 0.00057091 = 29.5857 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: http://www.tuxedocomputers.com/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/10-14-Zoll/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-13-3-matt-Full-HD-IPS-Aluminiumgehaeuse-Intel-Core-i7-Energiespar-CPU-zwei-HDD/SSD-bis-16GB-RAM-bis-15h-Akku-Slim-Book.geek
assbot: TUXEDO InfinityBook - 13,3 Zoll matt Full-HD IPS + Aluminiumgehäuse + Intel Core i7 Energiespar-CPU + zwei HDD/SSD + bis 16GB RAM + bis 15h Akku + Slim-Book ... ( http://bit.ly/1SRJsI9 )
punkman: pity it doesn't have a better screen
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16391 @ 0.0005676 = 9.3035 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00056544 = 5.2071 BTC [-]
phf: i added simple hash navigation to btcbase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50435 @ 0.00057139 = 28.8181 BTC [+] {4}
phf: can click on a hash from patch display and get a list of producers and consumers, like http://btcbase.org/hash/BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D
assbot: patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv )
phf: multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree
phf: which makes me wonder about some of the patches and how to do conflict resolution, for example http://btcbase.org/hash/BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D all patch wallet.cpp towards a divergent state
assbot: patches for hash BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVPTXv )
phf: erm, that was supposed to be two different urls..
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34645 @ 0.00056211 = 19.4743 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: phf: how to do conflict resolution << just let the user pick one of the conflicting branches
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00057144 = 22.0004 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/16/medical-marijuana-dispensaries-california-tax-cash-only
assbot: Cash-only marijuana dispensaries flood California tax office with paper | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpaMub )
punkman: https://claims.mtgox.com/assets/index.html
assbot: MTGOX 破産債権届出システム/MTGOX bankruptcy claims filing system ... ( http://bit.ly/1onXZ0Q )
punkman: "The trustee has approved part of the filed claims. At this time those who have filed "BTC-only claim" will know whether it is approved. Other approvals are still on hold.."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00055847 = 36.4122 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36879 @ 0.00055711 = 20.5457 BTC [-] {2}
davout: ohai
davout: looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69474 @ 0.0005562 = 38.6414 BTC [-]
davout: hrm, maybe it's just me missing some bits in my head
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00055421 = 11.9709 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbXbuGzUsAESSVf.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7j6kt )
davout: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0MQ96JH.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7jzTP )
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR February 17th 2016 statement - http://fr.anco.is/2016/x-eur-february-17th-2016-statement/
deedbot-: accepted: 1
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3284 @ 0.00056459 = 1.8541 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24873 @ 0.00055419 = 13.7844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00056528 = 20.8023 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00055981 = 38.7948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00055981 = 10.1606 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.00055846 = 31.8322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71803 @ 0.00055395 = 39.7753 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408030 << it had own genesis to establish pedigree with the historic tinyscheme. but shiva is a patch that bridges it into the trb tree. and yes i rebased it, it works with the current trb. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:16:04; mircea_popescu: i recall it had its own genesis.
asciilifeform: part1 is the bridge. part2 is the only place where trb per se is touched, where the hooks are inserted.
asciilifeform: the split was carefully deliberate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104400 @ 0.00055336 = 57.7708 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408095 << what is this crud - x86, and i7 no less, the one with the hidden nsa core, wtf, if i wanted this, could walk into any shop on the planet and buy. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 06:54:56; punkman: http://www.tuxedocomputers.com/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/10-14-Zoll/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-13-3-matt-Full-HD-IPS-Aluminiumgehaeuse-Intel-Core-i7-Energiespar-CPU-zwei-HDD/SSD-bis-16GB-RAM-bis-15h-Akku-Slim-Book.geek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00055559 = 1.1945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00055799 = 14.5914 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:21:16; mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2
asciilifeform: phf ^ ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00056701 = 17.6907 BTC [+]
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:57:41; BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
jurov: [Note] -barjavel.freenode.net- Server Terminating. Received SIGTERM << some heavy admining, huh
shinohai: been going on a few hours
PeterL: anybody interested in buying the longshot position of yes on carson? https://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b4
assbot: BitBet - Ben Carson will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.13 B (4%) on Yes, 3.39 B (96%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 27`086 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQuQ5F )
jurov: davout, nice statement but the bot is mia again. some people depend on x.eur to run their racket^W serious business!!!
jurov: Namely, my offer to exchange EUR->X.EUR with fixed 2% fee to wot members in good standing using sepa or transferwise stands.
jurov: Looking at you, USians who don't want to feed coinbase and their ilk.
jurov: !up Guest91786
jurov: hi guest
davout: jurov: fixxor'd
jurov: yup
jurov: davout actually transferwise should work for you fine, too. except that iirc you require funding from own accounts and twise sends sepa transfers from estonia instead
davout: jurov: re usians, our new fiat financial partner tells us we accept customers from pretty much all countries now
jurov: did they tell you how much usians pay to wire funds to you?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408105 << epic. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 08:15:17; phf: multiple producers indicate a conflict, multiple consumers - a divergent press tree
davout: s/we accept/we can accept/
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't think by now any usian is without eu banking.
mircea_popescu: there's simply no banking to be had in the us.
davout: jurov: no idea
mircea_popescu: (no i don't mean redditards, i mean people with jobs, jerry! and secretatries.)
jurov: i am not speaking of usians with own dirigibles here
mircea_popescu: davout bout $100
jurov: ^
davout: i'd guess more around 20~30 €, i'll ask around
mircea_popescu: and the monetary cost is nothing, us banks are incredibly parochially retarded, will pretend like they can send wires, but then don't.
mircea_popescu: it's a huge hassle for us people do do business.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408121 << which ?! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 09:43:18; davout: looks like log.b-a.com is missing some bits from yesterday
davout: twas just my client being derpy
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408126 << you know that's almost exactly what i mean by "built like a boy" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 10:07:57; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbXbuGzUsAESSVf.jpg:large
davout: not too often that i can say "a boy i'd fuck"
mircea_popescu: me either!
mircea_popescu: but apparently with age this comes also.
jurov: TIL
davout: so apparently fees on non-sepa wires are 'complicated' and may or may not depend on the the original fee setting request (OUR, SHA, BEN if memory serves), and on possible currency conversion fees on either end
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408153 << you know, i don't salt my food. i merely add chlorine and sprinkle some sodium on top. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 13:35:48; PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407557 << What is this lithium ion cell business? Real men just throw a hunk of lithium into their water with tea leaves.
mircea_popescu: davout aha.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you , advise us partners to either a) get an eu entity incorporated and use that or b) be less poor, as applicable.
mircea_popescu: the upfront cost of attempting to do business as a us subject far exceeds any possibility of gain no matter how fantasmagorically distant.
mircea_popescu: it's basically a soviet country, just like the russians were. unlike the other soviet union, however, it doesn't fucking know this, goes to bed every night collectively imagining that "start-ups" as implemented there are actual business ; and "stars" as implemented there are examples of successful people. it's really quite amusing.
davout: either way i'll ask the question a bit more formally, and ask about outgoing non-sepa wires too could be useful since i don't plan on ever becoming a victim of my own success
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you feel about arab girls, but a trip to bahrein is in order.
mircea_popescu: and in other banking news, here's an illustration of empowered, liberated us feminist getting herself a new credit card - http://40.media.tumblr.com/726408e24ac80c2ae491becd304a82e0/tumblr_nia2tnRBnB1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQxtEB )
jurov: davout try formulating the question for lulz "us clients complained about fees, what do you recommend to them"
davout: lulzier if it's just "can you give me an exhaustive list of your currently active fees?"
jurov: heh that won't really work (our fees are $x, add to that $random on the murican side)
davout: i'd be very happy with such an answer, i could simply display "Fees on our end are $x, see with your bank for fees on your side"
davout: kinda how bitcoin works
mircea_popescu: not what consumers have come to expect.
davout: bitcoin deposits are free + bring-your-own network fee
mircea_popescu: now this is true.
davout: "not what consumers have come to expect." <<< child pays for parent may one day be a thing
PeterL: isn't that why you have children, so they can support you when you are old?
mircea_popescu: depends where. in kandahar, maybe.
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously contemplate this applies in the us ?
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PeterL: what, you expect government to be able to support your retirement?
PeterL: one has to prepare for the future somehow
mircea_popescu: yes. by moving out of the us.
mircea_popescu: what else ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50645 @ 0.00056827 = 28.78 BTC [+] {3}
PeterL: I have decided to stay here, so I will just have to deal with that decision
mircea_popescu: consider this simple point : so i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave to us kid, for $sum. how can he pay ? he can't. he has no money, the usual way he pays for things (begs daddy-government's agent, called "bank" for absolutely no reason much like fast-food is unrelated to food, being a species of engine oil) does not work for this purpose. what's left ? we just discussed how he can not do
mircea_popescu: any business or in any way EARN any money.
mircea_popescu: now replace "i materialize out of the ethers and offer well trained young slave" with "any discretionary expense" and you've got a pretty accurate picture.
mircea_popescu: even if he WANTED to, your kid will not be able to support you ; chiefly because he can not have nor can he acquire any money or property.
mircea_popescu: and yes, this was EXACTLY the situation throughout the 2nd half of the 20th century in russia & friends.
PeterL: and it is different in other parts of the world?
mircea_popescu: this is an open question. specify some parts ?
PeterL: do you know any part which are different?
mircea_popescu: this is a complicated question. if your kid is smart, such that all he needs to make money is for bitcoin to exist, then most of the world fits the bill, because all he really needs is weak local government.
PeterL: I could go back to my ancestral homeland, but I hear England sucks more than US now
mircea_popescu: if your kid is not smart, but merely autistic, then some hope may exist - but probably in china
mircea_popescu: (for the record, most autistic children misrepresent themselves as smart, and actual smart children as some sort of chtonic horror/chtulhu)
mircea_popescu: yeah, england's not really on the map, unless you wish to join the arab footsoldiers and rape fat ugly chicks for the next decade.
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/PBnAnZw.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20Z8Tfc )
mircea_popescu: shinohai moslty manufactured by the us "embargo on russia". which so totally hurt putin o noes.
mircea_popescu: yet the canadians aren't swarming across the border to fucking burn down the dangerous rogue state next door.
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
PeterL: Who is going to be the first country that openly spurns the US?
mircea_popescu: so far, positive action produced pretty much the least competent us president to date, a few notches below even jefferson davies (and actually very similar in style, too!) who just happens to be a black man.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's ever so glorious being black and having these idiots for "supporters". with such help you really don't need any enemies.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you mean other than pretty much every one there ? from argentina to saudi arabia, take your pick ?
mircea_popescu: and even the retarded canadians... "us posturing precipitated a trade war that just ENDED canada as an industrial nation. wat do ?"
mircea_popescu: "obviously, pretend like nobody could have predicted" "a totally, solid plan mate!"
PeterL: The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything
mircea_popescu: retarded euros on the other hand... "us posturing precipitated an immigration influx that we reallty can't support. wat do ?" "i dunno, but try to not notice that the us-provided security costs a degree or two of magnitude more than the worst possible case would be without them around"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44434 @ 0.00056053 = 24.9066 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: obviously, europe enjoys getting fucked, after so many years of not getting any. but still... money is money. sending washington the bill for the 10mn arabs ?
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany only wanted 5k a head, so it should come out to maybe 50bn or so, not the end of the world
mircea_popescu: (plus wire fees, of course. OUR.)
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: davout laugh all you want, but you know zee germans are counting those bn against their eu contributions yes ?
mircea_popescu: french farmers that depend on eu money, which is to say french farmers, may not be so amused.
davout: would make sense
mircea_popescu: and to think that if only they had the fucking common sense to allow turkey in (like mp said, back in the day, but hey, why listen to mp when you got politicians et all) would have not only prevented this, but made the whole effort productive instread of merely defensive.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00056875 = 15.9819 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
mircea_popescu: most of what the komintern practically did was allow a ready way for people outside of russia to get rid of their inconvenient opponents.
PeterL: I guess my question is: will other countries actively attack the US?
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder to see it at work, too : consider the case of ross ulbricht. amply retarded kid, did pretty much every stupid thing in the book. yet because he was indicted by the us-komintern, he still has A LOT molre support than would be warranted on the face of things.
mircea_popescu: PeterL attacks are driven by value. if/when someone finds a way to explot it, it will be. so far, it's made relatively safe by its sheer uselessness. which measns that like africa, it will HAVE TO stay dumb to survive.
mircea_popescu: which is what i expect to see.
mircea_popescu: note that the few people who actually do atm derive value from it, the mexican narcos, do not bother to replace the federal government, just route around it.
mircea_popescu: because it is in fact cheaper to do this than undertake the expense to administer it.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the notion that the usg has any say in this is preposterous - if the mexican narcos decided to take over, they would take over, and no us president would even deign to EVEN NOTICE that "hey, at some point in the recent past the border was on the river".)
mircea_popescu: but, fortunately for it, the us has nothing to offer. it'd be an active safari grounds for live slaves, if the women weren't generally ugly and universally fat. it is being raided to shit by indian/chinese people for whatever shreds of prestige it may have left, tho from what i hear us diplomas are becoming 2nd rate in beijing these days.
mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
PeterL: lots of farm land, mineral resources, space in which to operate factories
mircea_popescu: and yes, i am aware that you're thinking you're decent people, and your friends idem, and you'll toil and labour and this can't all be to waste. the thing you're not aware of is that i have friends like that in say togo. ever heard of togo ? and had friends like that in lebanon years ago, and so on.
mircea_popescu: PeterL hey, sounds exactly like argentina! tough market.
PeterL: seems to me there is lots of resources here that other people may want to control?
mircea_popescu: maybe.
PeterL: pounds of lard (roughly $USPOP * 300)
mircea_popescu: tough market, you see.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck buys lard.
PeterL: well, the other stuff. lard was joke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.0005693 = 20.0963 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.000476 / 0.0004795 / 0.0004796 (38450 shares, 18.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00039598 / 0.00042659 / 0.0004796 (171352 shares, 73.10 BTC), 30D: 0.00024 / 0.00041828 / 0.0004796 (180994 shares, 75.71 BTC)
jurov: O.o
mircea_popescu: wowza.
mircea_popescu: !up Reydevkiwi
phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408149 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1407950 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 13:21:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408036 << this is the old, broken version, why is it here ?
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 02:44:08; phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
asciilifeform: phf: i see the rationale, but you keeping these on www right alongside the working versions, is quite certain to confuse folks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, for instance, appears to have mistook it for the current ver
mircea_popescu: i had, because i expected the thing to work in terms of straight url substitution.
mircea_popescu: ie, if patch on ml is X, patch on base is X
asciilifeform: v doesn't do substitutions.
asciilifeform: hand-cranked gardens like mod6's - might
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about this ever since then
phf: mircea_popescu: there's another patch there that's named differently that does same thing
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: the only thing v does without cranking is to accurately represent longest-chain-signed-by-these-here-folks
asciilifeform: this is not only deliberate but is implicit in the very idea.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408239 << ru getting up off its knees and spitting out the 1990s cock it swallowed during eltsin, would have happened anyway. simply happened to land on obamitler's desk ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 14:59:11; mircea_popescu: no but don't you think it's kind-of funny nobody goes "hey, bahamas-the-laureate said embargo will totally hurt russia - it decimated our allies instead. maybe bahamas is just fucking stupid ?"
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra!
assbot: S.QNTR last 37450@0.00047960 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQHz8r )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80911 @ 0.00055927 = 45.2511 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russia is a minor player.
mircea_popescu: better aligned than the us, tis true, but still a minor player.
asciilifeform: the brzezinski are not concerned with it because it is an economic giant (such as, e.g., cn)
Reydevkiwi: http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
assbot: Customer Letter - Apple ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQHKk9 )
asciilifeform: but because the most terrifying thing, to the rotten west, is a viable alternate civ.
asciilifeform: ^ l0l crapple playing 'good cop'
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely unsure if it can be called a civ or not.
asciilifeform: saw this in the fishwrap this morning and ignored.
mircea_popescu: care to argue it for me ?
Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's try an easier case, e.g., japan
asciilifeform: civ ?
phf: (so to wrap up previous thread, patches will remain, until clicking any patch in that graph produces a press, ideally clicking on one of the patches from mod6 release should produce press identical to mod6's press even in the presence of conflicting patches. i'll solve this problem sometime this week)
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then ru likewise. and with similar caveats.
mircea_popescu: sounds good phf. ftr i dun think there was anything wrong with your thing per se. broke an assumption i made that i still don't well understanbd, so... it counts as a positive.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh point is made.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50550 @ 0.00057065 = 28.8464 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: now, your earlier point notwithstanding, bahamas is still an ineptitude record-setting president, on the level of j. davis. tis not ~by~ the adversity he encounters that you know a man, but IN.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408258 << on the other hand, the only reason usa has any spending money at all is the international copyrasty treaty system. if it falls apart, game over. instantly. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:17:11; mircea_popescu: PeterL> The rest of the world starts ignoring the US, the US pretends they still control everything << incidentally, the soviets had a very similar delusion going, see komintern etc. it worked about as much as the us thing does, which is to say not at all unless you're either very enamoured with the delusion or otherwise see a ready way to profit from castigating it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would propose this is not so, nobody actually PAYS the us for ip. merely subsidiaries repatriate capital under that guise.
asciilifeform: cn is paying for motherfucking arm cpu license.
mircea_popescu: no, it's the tendency of people to abuse the usd as a temporary replacement for btc, until btc was devised.
mircea_popescu: that's what's propping the whole charade, and well...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform international trade is particularly complex and famously confusing.
asciilifeform: copyrasty is pretty simple to understand. all of the money flows into usa. tribute.
mircea_popescu: let me give you an example : when i was 16, i was paying rent for a place i practically never used, to a married mother of two. who took it in all the holes like a champ, twice a week.
mircea_popescu: for me, it was way the fuck cheaper than to pay the woman for her work. for her, it was an excellent alibi.
mircea_popescu: who's paying who and for what ?
mircea_popescu: tribute ? rly ?
asciilifeform: the answer, as far as i can see, is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball.
mircea_popescu: you should study histopathology more.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: actually i have nfi why it's not required study for syustems people.
asciilifeform: actually my first paying job involved gnarly particulars of immune response
asciilifeform: lulzily.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just... you have no ready model for this particular thing, in your head. it's showing. tissue decays and reacts to its decay in particular manners, which are pointedly not arbitrary.
asciilifeform: but how's this play in
asciilifeform: actually i have a very clear model of how orcs relate to humans
mircea_popescu: and there's sure as heck no "life power" behind it all, which amusingly is your go-to answer whenever complexity overwhelms.
asciilifeform: ~now~ i'm lost
asciilifeform: wtfwut?
mircea_popescu: " is that usg has the politburo in both cases by the balls, they all have swiss accounts 'which could have problems' if they don't play ball." << if we were discussing a tissue sample, this would directly map to "god's life force prevails"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is telling me that orc chieftains no longer send their children as hostages to the humans ?
mircea_popescu: let me quote for your benefit, a second.
asciilifeform: no longer plan their whole lives with an eye towards retiring in palo alto ?
mircea_popescu: http://en.yibada.com/articles/95731/20151217/british-court-clears-saudi-millionaire-who-claims-he-tripped-fell-on-teen-accusing-him-of-rape.htm
assbot: British Court Clears Saudi Millionaire Who Claims He Tripped & Fell On Teen Accusing Him Of Rape : News : Yibada ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQJycM )
mircea_popescu: does this sound like much of a hostage to you ?
asciilifeform: saudis had the west, within certain limits, by the balls since '70s
mircea_popescu: your theory doesn't stand.
mircea_popescu: and nobody i ever met retires to palo alto. have you EVEN SEEN the place ?
asciilifeform: how not ?
phf: (in other apple is dead not so news, i logged into a developer account in hopes of grabbing xcode dmg's direct instead of going through apple store, and oh boy. what used to be a rather spartan list of downloads, docs, resources has turned into "Click your iPhone app into Apple Store! Anyone can do it!" complete with giant banners of hip womens holding iphones. where's the docs? where's all the shit? literally the only thing you can do
phf: is renew your $99/yr dev license)
mircea_popescu: it's nothing but rats hoping to make it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rats orbiting $100M houses of the lottery winners aha
mircea_popescu: phf why the everloving fuck would you pay a license to develop.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1990s lottery winners.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple follows the nintendo model, your thing won't even be considered by the censors unless you hold an account
mircea_popescu: back when there was still hope.
mircea_popescu: by the who ?
asciilifeform: the censors.
asciilifeform: who, you know - sign the binary
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: oh oh this is about putting stuff in the apple store thing is it.
mircea_popescu: yeah i c.
asciilifeform: on ipnohe, the loader only loads signed bins. and the crapplestore only hosts same. i thought this was well known.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: i'm only very marginally following it.
PeterL: trying to get stuff into walled garden, has to go past gate guards
asciilifeform: when i say 'nintendo' this is what it means.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you develop for anything but rooted appleware unless apple was paying your salary+benefits is unclear to me.
asciilifeform: the model was pioneered by game console makers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lottery
asciilifeform: as per your 'hollywood waitress' article.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it finally nudged my coin so to speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i get that part, but i meant you as in phf not you as in look what i found on reddit, even has tits.
jurov: mircea_popescu thinks that extracting coins from the wot is easy?
asciilifeform: iirc ben_vulpes programs for ipnohe.
asciilifeform: all day, every day.
PeterL: if you expect to get rich off $1 sales, you need the garden market, not the few individuals outside it
mircea_popescu: jurov /me thinks that you don't have to pay anything to try.
mircea_popescu: PeterL in other news, eulora sold more game time and made more revenue per game time than pretty much everything in that walled garden. but then again...
jurov: heh eulora.. depends for whom.
mircea_popescu: is this factual btw ? are there more people with unrooted apple-things than rooted ?
mircea_popescu: because it occurs to me - if you really care about alf-considerations re kbd rf, use an ipad.
mats: heh... overheard in palo alto bar shortly after new years: 'so i'm trying to choose between Harvard Law, Stanford Law, and Palantir... what do you think i should do? ;)'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408268 << same thing as in su - anything from intact copper pipes, to the five specialists who still know how to make neutron tubes for fissile initiators ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:26:10; mircea_popescu: what else that anyone could conceivably want is found in the 50 states ?
PeterL: I assume so, most iphnoe owners are lazy, right?
jurov: hahahahaha of course majority leaves it unrooted
mircea_popescu: really ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?!
mats: palo alto sucks, can confirm
jurov: even i could not be arsed to mess with moms ipad
jurov: web works, email works, so why root
asciilifeform: mats: sucks for plebe. but have you tried having $1B there ?
PeterL: my grandparents lived in Palo Alto for a while, that is where my dad went to high school (back in the 60's)
mircea_popescu: i shall now be quiet while alf, who has never set foot in california, proceeds to explain to people who live there how the place is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rooting' ipnohe is complicated. not in the sense of 'how to do it', it is braindamagedly easy. BUT you have to run a multi-MB closed turd. which installs ???????.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform explain this have to ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless you want to discover your own pwnhole
mircea_popescu: iirc the whole thing was os.\
asciilifeform: which tends to take a while.
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Marshalls Join Student Debt Collection Racket - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-marshalls-join-student-debt-collection-racket/
jurov: and there's qntra. phf, say, if you write the why and how of V, you'll surely recoup the $99 several times.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta find exploit in the firmware (typically, the bootloader, if you want the 'rooting' to persist across power cycles)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i admittedly have no clue, but i'd have expected the golden route is to simply replace the blessed chip of blessings with normal item.
jurov: hahahahaha if the damned things could be even sanely opened
PeterL: and you think average joe is going to replace a chip on his expensive phone?
mircea_popescu: jurov it's traditionally hoiw rthis insanity is defeated, dunno
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not a 'normal item'
asciilifeform: there is a massive multi-GB bolus of shit
mircea_popescu: PeterL a) phone is free with carrier bill is it not ? huge incentive - get out of 3k in payments ; b) usually specialist shops do it.
asciilifeform: with metastasis throughout
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we are NOT speaking of 'unlocking'
asciilifeform: entirely separate matter
mircea_popescu: well, fwiw i find the conversation very instructive.
asciilifeform: (apple only sells unlocked phones, for some time now)
mircea_popescu: aha
jurov: hahahahaha apple specialists are trained to either replace device or exchange for coupons to newe shinier one
mircea_popescu: jurov not apple-specialist. independent-specialist.
mircea_popescu: speaking of nintendo, i recall a thriving mod chip industree just about the time the bulgarians were taking over cd pressing.
phf: there was a project for os replacements back in 3g days, back when you could still conceivably load your own blob as an os, and expect it to do ~something~
jurov: have you caught the recent update problems? get non-original part, get bricked on next update
mircea_popescu: jurov seems like a great incentive to take the crap out altogether.
asciilifeform: we were speaking of 'jailbreak'
mircea_popescu: what is this "update"
asciilifeform: entirely separate process
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you mean 'take the crap out'
jurov: ^
mircea_popescu: make it be the lousy pentium-2 it was born to be ?
jurov: even capbles have proprietary chips
jurov: *cables
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obtain and open an 'ipnohe'
asciilifeform: more instructive than 1,001 lines from me explaining.
jurov: ^
asciilifeform: you will find a SINGLE ic, and a good chunk of the crapolade is in mask rom.
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to.
trinque: at least in android's case there's something of a linux down there you can get to without back-alley surgery
asciilifeform: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213 << or this
assbot: iPhone 6 Teardown - iFixit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql5LFr )
mircea_popescu: next time babe goes into the bath with her phone in hand, ima look into the damned thing i guess.
asciilifeform: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/F5NPpFSfDkF5NfPW.huge << the fat one
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql5MsZ )
mircea_popescu clicks
mircea_popescu: is iphone 6 the current ?
asciilifeform: (there is also a nand flash on there, some power supply crud, and the baseband)
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: the teardown www has chip ids, links.
mircea_popescu: this thing looks basically like laptop ++
asciilifeform: also note that they are all bga
asciilifeform: i.e. not removable without ir oven and not remountable without xray.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: uneconomic to actually do anything at all with these.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be tho. space.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: also starting with, iirc, ipnohe 5, the cpu is custom crapple asic (licensed arm) and has the various 'seek00rity' crud in mask rom.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hdbuck You got published again!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: to 'jailbreak', you normally have to discover one of the handful of bugs planted for usg use.
asciilifeform: these are precious and hoarded.
mircea_popescu: "pentalobe"
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people already.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408301 << cool ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:55:21; mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/NXOlk << check out that qntra!
phf: also ftr i've never had a paid license. even without it developer.apple.com used to have all kinds of goodies. source code for all their opensource parts, legacy software, old version of xcode, various specialist tools for debugging, etc.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408314 << Newton, the actual apple pocketable or heretic iThing ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 15:57:31; Reydevkiwi: just saw a doc on all the backdoors in apple phone os, then this
PeterL: according to Forbes, roughtly 2% of ios are jailbroken (data vintage Feb 2013)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'newton' has been dead and buried since the re-enthronement of steve jobs
asciilifeform: surely you knew this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was Jobs to curate my Apple/Crapple filter?
mircea_popescu: "Apple A8 APL1011 SoC + SK Hynix RAM as denoted by the markings H9CKNNN8KTMRWR-NTH (we presume it is 1 GB LPDDR3 RAM, the same as in the iPhone 6 Plus) ; Qualcomm MDM9625M LTE Modem ; Skyworks 77802-23 Low Band LTE PAD ; Avago A8020 High Band PAD ; Avago A8010 Ultra High Band PA + FBARs ; Skyworks 77803-20 Mid Band LTE PAD ; InvenSense MP67B 6-axis Gyroscope and Accelerometer Combo"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00056711 = 24.726 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and a coupla dozen more. wut a soup.
jurov: not yer old pentium fo sho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they quit making carrier-specific version, so yes, it has ~every~ modem.
mircea_popescu: funny how space is not a consideration there lol.
asciilifeform: it ~is~ a consideration, in each new release they merge a few of the ic into one.
asciilifeform: the mainboard used to actually occupy the footprint of the phone
asciilifeform: now it is this matchbox thing
mircea_popescu: ic.
asciilifeform: i expect that at some point it will be fused with the lcd glass
asciilifeform: and the chips - be purchased die-only
asciilifeform: (you can get ~most~ ic in die-only package)
mircea_popescu: packaging even as bga is spurious in the constraints
asciilifeform: aha, only done because economics-of-scale, as in, samsung sells not only to crapple
asciilifeform: but when whole thing becomes 1 asic - no need for bga.
mircea_popescu: yea. hence "normal" chip.
asciilifeform: but the only 'normal chip' in there is the nand. and possibly the gyro.
asciilifeform: everything else is custom at least in the metallization layer sense
mircea_popescu: so in other words, the results of this discussion are - that apple isn't there yet, but it'd love to pretend like it is, and lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them.
asciilifeform: where there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if "samsung sells not only to crapple", thus therefore the normal chip can be had.
asciilifeform: and do what, exactly ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there. "you can't get in".
asciilifeform: thing is, you ~can~ break it, this is done by 1,000,001 folks.
asciilifeform: by running one of the heavily obfuscated auto-jailbreakatrons.
mircea_popescu: that is unrelated to our discussion, why do you keep reintroducing it "?
mircea_popescu: "saudi woman can drive a car - by driving a model car in the garage!!1"
asciilifeform: am i mistaken re: what the discussion even was ?
mircea_popescu: wut ?
asciilifeform: say i replace apple's cpu with samsung's hypothetical pin-compatible one. now what ?
asciilifeform: i run openbsd ?
mircea_popescu: to me it was "take apple out of the apple product".
mircea_popescu: well no, i'd expect you to run musl-os
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu understands that nobody buys the motherfucking phone for the hardware, right ?
asciilifeform: on touch screen ? who wants to write the gui ? mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: i don't care about apple products altogether.
asciilifeform: the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users
asciilifeform: much less touchatron.
mircea_popescu: " lazy general usian population / anti-entrepreneurial spirited usian elite will concede the point ot them."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point was that if you wanted to make own touchatronic os, it would be considerably cheaper to use a handset from another vendor.
asciilifeform: using crapple's would be masochism, plain and simple
mircea_popescu: this does not bode well for apple's market value, if true.
asciilifeform: the market value, such as it is, is 100% from the software.
mircea_popescu: not the apple store ?!
asciilifeform: 'app store'
asciilifeform: and os.
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: til apple worth ~= slashdot.
mircea_popescu: have you EVEN SEEN the appstore ?
asciilifeform: and believe or not, folks ~like~ the censorship. in the sense that there are no public infectors, in the usual sense, for crapple ipnohe.
mircea_popescu: i thought theres one a week.
asciilifeform: and yes, this is achieved at the cost of apps not having any access to the file system, etc.
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: not one. ever. (nsa aside)
asciilifeform: malicious app can only try to trick the user into revealing secret. it cannot, e.g., access the file system (you are not permitted fopen() ... )
mircea_popescu: http://www.abc.es/tecnologia/informatica-software/20150921/abci-apple-malware-appstore-201509211937.html
assbot: Apple confirma la existencia de «malware» en la Apple Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1WrJ9S9 )
mircea_popescu: must be because in spanish then.
asciilifeform: very loose notion of 'malware'
asciilifeform: for instance, one can write a proggy that tracks your location and uploads.
asciilifeform: or shows a trojanatronic 'gmail' login screen and waits for idiot to enter pw. etc
mircea_popescu: but not one that rowhammers the fuck out of it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not publicly.
mircea_popescu: pff.
asciilifeform: understand, this is largely a testament to the sheer nintendoism of the os
mircea_popescu: encapsulation is a dream. you know that. what exactly activates your memory hole to think that apple "done it" ? usg perfume ? what is it ?
asciilifeform: rather than any civilized concept of security
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact that jailbreaking is a thing reveals that apple has not 'done it'
mircea_popescu: i never heard of retardation being an effectual preemptor of infection.
asciilifeform: just that the 0days are few and carefully hoarded by aficionados.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yet you try and sit as if it had ?
mircea_popescu: purely aesthetic choice, this.
asciilifeform: when they leak out, are typically patched in a few days
asciilifeform: and then any jailbreak aficionado who has the misfortune to powercycle his box, is fucked
mircea_popescu: why don't you say "clearly nobody gives a shit about apple or its products - so few vulnerabilities they can almost chase them all down"
mircea_popescu: you DID say the exact this re qntra and ddos yest.
mircea_popescu: why the specific choice ?
asciilifeform: i admit that my crappleology is a few yrs out of date.
asciilifeform: perhaps something changed substantially in recent history.
mircea_popescu: could just as well be presented the other way around, you know ? if you're going to assign good/bad arbitrarily, might as well allign the needle backwards.
asciilifeform: will have to find out, what. when i can be arsed.
mircea_popescu: no, this has absolutely nothing to do with any finding out. it is not a matter of fact.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: when republican instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited lack of interest on the part of the enemies.
mircea_popescu: when imperial instrument succeeded in keeping enemies at bay, you credited the exquisite intrinsic superiority of imperial instrument.
mircea_popescu: you COULD, for the same money, put these in backwards.
mircea_popescu: it is a purely aesthetic choice. you realise this ?
asciilifeform: not precisely. re: qntra, i specifically think that the 'they don't exist, don't look there, nothing to see' field generator is operating so well, that they no longer see any need to draw attention with ddos.
mircea_popescu: going into detail does not change the above.
asciilifeform: well, i can identify who gives a fuck re: pwning crapple users - 1,000,001 orc carder monkeys, for instance
asciilifeform: there is actual monetization there.
asciilifeform: now orc monkeys are not the sharpest tools in the shed, true - have you ~seen~ a trojan of recent vintage? 19/20 are in vb
asciilifeform: and multi-MB. etc
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one neutral construction here would be that the larger the item under discussion, the more likely you are to credit ability and the less likely to credit happenstance, on the expectation that size and competency correlate.
mircea_popescu: still.. a useful judgement of "size" in this particular sense is very hard to come by.
mircea_popescu: for instance, my own sizeometer judges apple as relatively small.
asciilifeform: in the same sense as north kr is small.
asciilifeform: for the folks inside - it is very large indeed.
asciilifeform: whole world.
asciilifeform: (to them!)
mircea_popescu: world made of worlds made of worlds!
mircea_popescu: it's turworlds all the way down.
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_is_My_Motherland << oblig
assbot: Wide is My Motherland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1oJZpmU )
asciilifeform had no idea engl. pediwik existed for this
mircea_popescu: note in any case that while the logic is correct, " on the expectation that size and competency correlate", it is NOT the case that what is meant by size is what'd intuitively appear.
mircea_popescu: this is an important point
asciilifeform: i realized that i actually have nfi what mircea_popescu's size metric is here
mircea_popescu: much to my chagrin, neither do i. it is at best an experience-bound heuristic atm.
mircea_popescu: shall have to think on this.
asciilifeform: but yes, to perelman ~all of computing~ is 'tiny'
asciilifeform: because he doesn't own a computer.
asciilifeform: nor wants to.
mircea_popescu: not at all what's contemplated here.
asciilifeform: this is a hilarious reversal of the old classic thread between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu re: 'programming == webdev'
mircea_popescu: something intuitively comprehensible as more akin the german-pioneered "tank shadow" item. whereby a unit was represented as a blob function of both its strength/battle readiness and it's mobility.
mircea_popescu: so a small elite unit was capable of projecting a long shadow whereas a churned to death rifle unit from a siege emplacement was a mere dot.
asciilifeform: ^ the notion is well-known to city architects, as the concept of car space
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: (car occupies far more than the size of the parking spot)
mircea_popescu: sorta like "size in the mind of the strategist". clean, elite units loom large. complex, large elucubrations are barely noted.
asciilifeform: hence why i always said to mircea_popescu, 'webdev is insignificant worm and webdevers are not programmers'
mircea_popescu: i shall be off to eat a lot of cake and meditate.
asciilifeform: enjoy mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: i'ma off to drink motor oil coffee, eat shit, and crank out useless crud for money
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 418.94, vol: 10174.76136276 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.195, vol: 10046.97394 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 417.61, vol: 24588.7767113 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 2.09408999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 427.567497, vol: 45284.49820000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 416.61983, vol: 1147.12907435 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 422.19486, vol: 76.19484017 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 422.861605721
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00056657 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b32
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/iaSEu << lulz an anti-qntra writes glowing review of another anti-qntra
assbot: What's Next For CoinDesk? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1oK2O4U )
hanbot: "review". aka "say anonderp, i'm having trouble fitting my pretensions and emotional minutiae in a finite space. would you ask me how i feel about shit and host the results?"
hanbot: he's fucking "excited" about report "products" is he.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: That's actually a serious problem. Being excited about things for their "product" -ness and not that part where they are useful as things.
hanbot: i suspect the recognition that things can actually be useful rather than superficially ego-satisfying is a more and more rare occurrence. or by now, ability. which explains a lot of the stupidity, but doesn't excuse it.
phf: The satisfaction that no longer comes from using the commodities produced in abundance is now sought through recognition of their value as commodities. Consumers are filled with religious fervor for the sovereign freedom of commodities whose use has become an end in itself. Waves of enthusiasm for particular products are propagated by all the communications media. [...] Reified people proudly display the proofs of their intimacy with
phf: the commodity. Like the old religious fetishism, with its convulsionary raptures and miraculous cures, the fetishism of commodities generates its own moments of fervent arousal. All this is useful for only one purpose: producing habitual submission.
phf: debord wrote this in 67, he then wrote an update in the 80s, "everything has gotten even worse then i expected", promptly shooting himself
hanbot is off to read, apparently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160300 @ 0.0005717 = 91.6435 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: "Re: recent node drop, someone is using up connection slots with fake SPV nodes; node count sites may be reporting nodes as down incorrectly." https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/699919824416284672
asciilifeform: let ten thousand sybils bloom.
asciilifeform: and the heathens who never heard of malleus can talk to them to their heart's delight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00056978 = 24.2726 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this case SPV is being used to describe garden variety pseudonode
BingoBoingo: Not Hearnia blasphemy
BingoBoingo: Dumb repeater SPV, not blind follower SPV
BingoBoingo: AWS banhammer is far more relevant in this case
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Since July "SPV" in power ranger and other usage has gone from describing a specific class of idiocy to describing a more general class of turds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 299687 @ 0.00057281 = 171.6637 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00056765 = 30.3693 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Oh, no this was tradition bitcoinj SPV turd https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/467oat/sudden_appearance_of_bitcoinj_nodes/
assbot: Sudden appearance of /bitcoinj nodes? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1oKcWe8 )
asciilifeform: l0l, hearn's magnum opus
mircea_popescu: bingoBoingo> "Re: recent node drop, someone is using up connection slots with fake SPV nodes; node count sites may be << o look at that, derpland discovers blackholing.
BingoBoingo: Bunch of lite "wallets" all running in AWS
mircea_popescu: <phf> debord wrote this in 67 << aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how was the caek ?
mircea_popescu: the caek produced the conclusion that there is nothing useful here - the heuristic value of a concept of "size" in evaluating the matter wholly comes from the evaluation that had been already pre-baked in the "size".
asciilifeform suspected!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one way or another, folks will learn to respect the 'give nothing to stranger for showing up' theorem.
BingoBoingo: eventually
asciilifeform: whether in application to servers, or hordes of migrants, or wherever else.
mircea_popescu: i have no problem giving food and water to wandering females.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but not female rats.
asciilifeform: as for travellers, when the known world was a cold and empty place, and wolves outnumbered wanderers 9000 to 1, etc. - it was a different thing.
BingoBoingo: Or the female to mayo transgenders
asciilifeform: whereas today all vermin own teleporters and will appear directly at your front door, if you feed one.
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: one of the reasons i wrote 'g' (which remains unreleasable, ty mircea_popescu for the block cipher lulz, aha) is that the public node is not a sustainable thing.
asciilifeform: really not so long for this world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96700 @ 0.00057322 = 55.4304 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: in other news, my mint is blooming.
BingoBoingo: Cool. My daffodils survived last week's snows with leaves intact. Mininal brown on the tips.
mircea_popescu: win.
BingoBoingo: Hyacinths are more uncertain, but still lots of green. Tulip status unknown, likely many were consumed by squirrels.
ben_vulpes: ohai
BingoBoingo: hai thur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00057332 = 5.9625 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes looking forward to new and exciting bouncer failure modes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73400 @ 0.00057336 = 42.0846 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Auschwitz Releases Political Language Software - http://qntra.net/2016/02/auschwitz-releases-political-language-software/
asciilifeform: ahahaha the poles
asciilifeform: the folks who burned all the jews they could long before germany so much as asked
asciilifeform: (the baltics were even more prolific champs)
BingoBoingo: But POLITICS!!!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00056623 = 20.4409 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37365 @ 0.00057403 = 21.4486 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15743 @ 0.00056808 = 8.9433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24658 @ 0.00056223 = 13.8635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123239 @ 0.00056685 = 69.858 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://milandr.ru << can source any of this? or vapour, like elbrus ?
assbot: Home − Milandr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJB9rr )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.com/en/read/1645RT2U-milandr-radhard-antifuse-rom << die shot.
assbot: 1645RT2U - Milandr radhard antifuse ROM : weekend die-shot : ZeptoBars ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBb2G )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6792 @ 0.00057403 = 3.8988 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://adamsblog.aperturelabs.com/2013/01/fun-with-masked-roms.html << related.
assbot: Obviously a Major Malfunction...: Fun with Masked ROMs - Atmel MARC4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJBHgX )
asciilifeform: ^ much pr0n
asciilifeform: ^ proggy that reads mask rom ~optically~
jurov: only 250k chips needed to store blockchain
asciilifeform: jurov: these likes are from my recent attempt to locate a modern supplier of antifuse rom of reasonable density
asciilifeform: *these links
jurov: yep, spiffy pics
trinque: for cardano ROM?
asciilifeform: trinque: nope
asciilifeform: for blockchain.
asciilifeform: recent discovery is that nand flash slowly self-erases from ~reading~
asciilifeform: which opens up a rowhammer-like attack vector.
asciilifeform: (i can't recall if this was public, but IT IS NOW!111)
trinque: that's fun; meanwhile platters are practically unusable for it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems even more vapor.
mircea_popescu: if that were possible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possible, try it
asciilifeform: needs crafted seek pattern.
mircea_popescu: no i meant - if something being more vapor than elbrus were possible
asciilifeform: ah!
mircea_popescu: also - there's a reason ssd in raid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: raid doesn't help.
asciilifeform: in this case.
asciilifeform: (it could, conveivably, be made to)
mircea_popescu: which kind of raid doesn't help ?
asciilifeform: any of the off-the-shelf ones, as far as i can tell
asciilifeform: or rather, raid5 will prevent the machine from coughing up corrupted blocks, but enemy can still drive you into penury by inducing wear
asciilifeform: blocks really oughta live on storage that doesn't measurably wear. luckily this was invented in the '70s, and is called antifuse rom.
asciilifeform: but as far as i can tell, it is no longer manufactured in any serious quantity.
mircea_popescu: aha. well... blocks from 0 to n-1 at any rate.
asciilifeform: all blocks.
asciilifeform: remember, antifuse isn't mask rom
asciilifeform: doesn't need to be pre-baked at tapeout
mircea_popescu: yeah but you don't want to keep changing things either
asciilifeform: last thing i will say for now on subj is - expect many more 'rowhammer'-like effects as desperate wunderwaffen attempts to resuscitate 'moore's law' explore new depths of fuhrerbunker desperation.
asciilifeform: http://joshuawise.com/projects/ndfslave << for anyone who wondered how 'wear leveling' worked.
assbot: Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain ... ( http://bit.ly/1QJDjHI )
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: oh one other thing, blocks really ought to live on a storage device where connecting tx outputs is a constant-time operation.
asciilifeform: this is buildable.
asciilifeform: (left as an exercise for the reader, how.)
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna want ring buffers or who knows what heresy
asciilifeform: hey i specialize in uselessly predicting crapocalypses years before they happen.
asciilifeform: (the folks who laughed when i said 'no curl on trb build box' - still laughing ?)
asciilifeform: !s parachute
assbot: 120 results for 'parachute' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=parachute
mircea_popescu: you can take curl from my cold dead hands or how was it
asciilifeform: i thought that was perl
mircea_popescu: no, it was symbolic notation.
asciilifeform: ah l0l
mircea_popescu: same diff-erence.
asciilifeform falls down.
mircea_popescu: :D
asciilifeform made the mistake of looking at yesterday's reddit thread. barfalicious.
asciilifeform: apparently peanut gallery holds mircea_popescu responsible (somehow) for... gox
asciilifeform: and 1,001 like marvels.
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: it's not any sort of gallery. organised disinfo effort trying to take "mp said mtgox must die, bitcoin communitwerps opposed it, got beaten to shit over it" into its reverse.
asciilifeform: not sure what came after that, it was when i quit reading
mircea_popescu: this is plainly how you know who was behind upkeeping the scam,
mircea_popescu: and how badly the butt hurt once i fucked them raw.
asciilifeform: btw gox is one possible candidate for 'did they ever fire the glass cannon' ?
asciilifeform: the glibc one or otherwise
mircea_popescu: but, as any rapist knows, the best thing for that trade is a ready supply of victims who will deny the deed. "i was never raped!11"
asciilifeform: there was a spiffy mircea_popescu article where he discusses how victim with no recourse internally re-wires itself
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: afaik all literate folk know about, e.g., the auschwitz inmates who collected scraps of german uniforms, etc.
asciilifeform: the other lul from the thread was the people (?) vigorously denying that a unix box could run without ever invoking dns
asciilifeform: (perhaps only funny to me?)
trinque: how do you know who you are if nobody tells you?
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re ip.
mircea_popescu: it's a deeply telling thing. THEY don't know what the fuck they are by themselves. why would a box.
trinque: ^
mircea_popescu: surely computers can't be better than hoomans ?
mircea_popescu: can't even beat hoomans at go!
mircea_popescu: GOOOOO TEAM!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74532 @ 0.00057427 = 42.8015 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3368 @ 0.00057438 = 1.9345 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i think that a more elementary thing is at work - these folks literally can't imagine a box other than 'ubuntu', rathead, etc. with 'autoupdater' and the like
mircea_popescu: box gotta read the lolpics each morning.
asciilifeform: consider, for instance, the anon who 'who'll be laughing when peter todd changes hosting providers'
mircea_popescu: the who ?
asciilifeform: actually thought, or pretended to, that we hardcoded the idiot sipa seed thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some monkey in the reddit thread
mircea_popescu: sipa!=peter todd ?
mircea_popescu: sipa is the wuille derp
asciilifeform: yes (though this was not even the main lul)
mircea_popescu: iirc bluematt had some sort of stupid thing to help the network lie about how connected it is
mircea_popescu: you mean that ?
mircea_popescu: (he's neither of these two)
asciilifeform: nfi
mircea_popescu: iirc he also turned it off when he realised it's actually bad for bitcoin.
asciilifeform: but point was, i bet monkey cannot actually conceive of the 'no hardcoded seed thing'
mircea_popescu: like everything else -dev does, but that realisation hasn't mostly struck yet.
asciilifeform: because this is a technology that only makes sense in wot planet
mircea_popescu: well sure. we're agreeing with you there.
mircea_popescu: (we = me and trinque )
asciilifeform strongly suspects that the very notion of ~identity~ is Ur-terrifying to monkey man
mircea_popescu: quite the point.
mircea_popescu: humans are built upon identity. mooman's delusions of humanity are built on the perceived or constructed impossibility of identity.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the derpage around anonimity, as if it were a thing.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63261 @ 0.00057171 = 36.1669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.0005699 = 15.6438 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;google 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
gribble: Bitcoin address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ...: <https://bitcoinchain.com/block_explorer/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9>; Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/>; The Treasurer's Contract - The Bitcoin Foundation: <http://thebitcoin.foundation/treasurer_contract.html>
mircea_popescu: check it out - blockchain.info lost google spot.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's something very weird going on with deedbot.org ? can you help me locate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371189 for instance ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 15:27:59; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1JCZHZY.txt
trinque: mircea_popescu: know what that might've been? dpaste garbage collected it
trinque: I'll see if I can find what block happened near there
mircea_popescu: trinque it was the dividends for mpoe and bbet
mircea_popescu: which - i can't find any trace of any such thing on deedbot. which is ridoinculous wtf.
mircea_popescu: should be each month after 15th. for months nao.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGAGZp )
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: am i blind ?
trinque: eh, not like it's easy to search through
trinque: but the db has the info which will make its way to the surface at some point
mircea_popescu: you know i just searched the page source for deedbot.org, deedbot.org/bundle-393434.txt not in there
mircea_popescu: a href="/bundle-393434.txt ah found
mircea_popescu: 39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D911
mircea_popescu: 39343418YWgn8UHh5V4N9RvXR5bnCQtxiQRmewaV2A4A728F75668B50162D4F13EE2BDEF602DD2D912
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would it be listed under that ooooooohhh
mircea_popescu: sorry. all my fault.
trinque: no problemo
trinque: I'm happy to be human search while there isn't one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61887 @ 0.00057188 = 35.3919 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43549 @ 0.00056013 = 24.3931 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/17/technology/windows-10-pentagon/ "Secretary of Defense Ash Carter has ordered all 4 million of the Pentagon's PCs to be upgraded to Windows 10 within the next 12 months."
assbot: Pentagon orders Windows 10 to be installed on all 4 million of its PCs - Feb. 17, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PRsqnm )
jurov: on order from ft.meade?
mircea_popescu: da fuck are they doing with 4mn solitare statuions.
jurov: "I see this as a best proof point for Microsoft showing that Windows 10 is certainly more secure than its predecessor and stable enough to be rolled out to millions of people," said Pat Moorhead, analyst at Moor Insights & Strategy.
jurov: you need hands-on win10 experience to truly savor such claim
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same thing they were doing earlier with 10 million older solitaire stations !
asciilifeform: remember, this is how microshit eats.
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: (have you ever heard of a ~person~ paying for winblowz?!)
mircea_popescu: "best proof point windows maintains the favour of nazi hq"
asciilifeform: incidentally, i drove past it today, as every day, flags at half mast all week (herr scalia ?)
mircea_popescu: wait ... is pat moorhead married to a fellow named moorhead, who is the head of moor something or the other ?
asciilifeform: and speaking of, why has ussa not adopted the wonderful custom of playing 'swan lake' when politburo man dies ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe for herr scalia's pillow.
asciilifeform: mmmhmmmnnmm.
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