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mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements. ☟︎
assbot: Indeed 中国 | 招聘信息搜索引擎 | 天下职位,一网搜尽 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DhUbPZ )
mthreat: and then use google translate to read them, unless you happen to read chinese
mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements ☟︎
mthreat: ah here's one: http://search.51job.com/job/70188621,c.html
mthreat: translation of requirements: 1, have a good image quality, height 162-168CM
mthreat: 2, bust 83-85CM, waist 59-62CM, hip 88-91CM, Shoulder 37-38CM
scoopbot_revived: US Seeks Extradition Of Irish Silk Road Administrator http://qntra.net/2015/07/us-seeks-extradition-of-irish-silk-road-administrator/
gernika: I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable.
asciilifeform: mats: write it up for qntra ?
asciilifeform: hilarious nyooz
asciilifeform: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth
assbot: Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5eCv )
scoopbot_revived: Tsinghua Unigroup Flirts With Acquisition of DRAM Maker Micron http://qntra.net/2015/07/tsinghua-unigroup-flirts-with-acquisition-of-dram-maker-micron/
asciilifeform: 'The charges announced today are part of a coordinated effort by a coalition of law enforcement authorities from 20 nations to charge, arrest or search 70 Darkode members and associates around the world. The nations comprising the coalition include Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Israel, Latvia, Macedonia, Nigeria, Romania, Serbia, Sweden, th
asciilifeform: e United Kingdom and the United States. Today’s actions represent the largest coordinated international law enforcement effort ever directed at an online cyber-criminal forum.' << mega-l0l
trinque: someone tell me again how this country that holds tons of our debt - and is buying up everything left of value in our country - is inferior to us
trinque: @ scoop
asciilifeform: (earlier link has links in turn to the indictments)
scoopbot_revived: Darkode Goes Dark: Members Charged as "Cybercriminals" http://qntra.net/2015/07/darkode-goes-dark-members-charged-as-cybercriminals/
BingoBoingo: Sorry DoS left Qntra a bit constipated, news bowels should be clearer for a bit
asciilifeform: from cursory reading of the indictments thus far, seems like these were all classic derps with atrociously retarded opsec
asciilifeform: kakobrekla will be stimulated to learn that they are requesting the rendition of a slovenian fella
asciilifeform: one mr skorjanc.
asciilifeform: and even another, one mr leniqi.
gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop. ☟︎
asciilifeform: skorjanc, usg claims, was ratted out by a stoolie
asciilifeform: vax?!
asciilifeform: '80s ?
gernika: 1999ish?
asciilifeform: l0l
gernika: AMD only did one drug test, so just extended my internship there instead.
asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol hello gribble. how are you today dear.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.
asciilifeform: which
mircea_popescu: very nice work. nevertheless, it's still empty.
mircea_popescu: the lot.
asciilifeform: not empty. full of nonstd crud a la 'darkwallet'
asciilifeform: or rather, speaking of the wedge block
mircea_popescu: it's still "1"
asciilifeform: the 3 linked - i have not yet cut open
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read the linked ml turd yet ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: (i had read it before, too)
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: my present understanding is that these are wedgebombz
asciilifeform: that have not yet gone off.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have.
mircea_popescu: what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network
mircea_popescu: which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work.
asciilifeform: my current hypothesis re: 364671.
mircea_popescu: something like http://i.imgur.com/vTifdh5.gifv
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb7QQP )
asciilifeform: this particular shit sandwich has multiple layers. for instance, how did that thing even become a block.
mircea_popescu: miner can mine it.
mircea_popescu: if other miners don't reject it...
asciilifeform: who the fuck relayed it? or was it shat straight into the mouth of a tame miner
mircea_popescu: exactly as recent fork happened.
mircea_popescu: nobody relayed it it is not relayable.
mircea_popescu: it was miner manufactured.
asciilifeform: seems pretty clear, this.
asciilifeform: though iirc hearniated client relays it.
asciilifeform: and there is also the oddity, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202695 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
mircea_popescu: i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe.,
mod6: guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, we for sure live in interesting times.
kakobrekla is stimulated
trinque: ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy
trinque: make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes
trinque: so the pass is a db exception
trinque: I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvMzriPA00
assbot: GULL - Fast Enough - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lba2rs )
trinque: damn, impressive
trinque: sounds good too
trinque: so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND"
trinque: haha
nubbins`: <+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk
nubbins`: <@asciilifeform> http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth <<< “Through this operation, we have dismantled a cyber hornets’ nest" :0
assbot: Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1vWyB )
mircea_popescu: give the man cyber milk & cookies.
nubbins`: right>
mircea_popescu: cyberright!
nubbins`: !!
nubbins`: hornets' cybernest sounds better
mats: asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already
asciilifeform: apparently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got a signed centos6.5 iso around perchance ?
mircea_popescu: mnope
mircea_popescu: and besides, i don't release centos wtf is this !?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't release bitcoin 0.1 either, l0l
asciilifeform: this kind of wankatronix is, sadly, the only known defence against history-diddlers
mircea_popescu: myeah. i dun have anythin' tho.
mircea_popescu: do you ?
asciilifeform: probably. but will have to dig, open old crates, read decaying disks. hence why asked..
mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened". ☟︎
assbot: United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbJoW )
mircea_popescu: why is stupidity so common.
asciilifeform: csv ?
nubbins`: XD
nubbins`: comma veparated salues
asciilifeform puzzled over above for a whole minute
nubbins`: content versioning system
mircea_popescu: csv csv.
mircea_popescu: sorry for my altenrative alibities.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202562 << admitting that the entire point of the usg is to prevent fun. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
mircea_popescu: this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202658 << the kludges and bugs are baked into anything humans do, for as long as they stick. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
mircea_popescu: what, you think calgary's perfectly laid out ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202663 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202656 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202970 these three are all exactly the same statement. ☝︎☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 01:11:58; mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202687 << never be surprised at any tests, they're always a good idea. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202725 << how won't it do ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
asciilifeform was also puzzled by that question
asciilifeform: i suspect that a number of readers presently believe that we are hosed
mircea_popescu: so, anyone checked solrodar's werk ?
trinque: maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported
asciilifeform: we are not hosed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed.
asciilifeform: well, ~my~ node worx.
asciilifeform: and i'm about to stand up another.
mircea_popescu: but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed.
scoopbot_revived: BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/
mircea_popescu: it's in the nature of things.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. "
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: !rated burtw
assbot: burtw is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: figgers.
asciilifeform: ' I can only assume it is a non-prosecution agreement since Burt has to forfeit cash and Bitcoins to have the case dismissed.'
asciilifeform: long live ze waterfall.
asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move ☟︎
mircea_popescu: afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said...
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/#comment-32151
assbot: BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDwH0X )
punkman: 0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202764 << he has a point, you know ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:30:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy.
mircea_popescu: punkman yes. now and forever.
mircea_popescu: just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin.
asciilifeform: 'no man, no...'
mircea_popescu: nah, not that one.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186543 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад
mircea_popescu: there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing.
asciilifeform: ^ not mythical, but the name of a 'papal bull' he issued
mircea_popescu: im still not convinced he wrotye his own stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << you probably misunderstand how attached men that made fortunes get to the fortunes in question. a year evaporated 90% of my billion net worth, i can assure you the only thing i pissed on were womenz. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants
asciilifeform: but didn't lose sleep-ad-libitum
asciilifeform: i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million.
decimation: asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make
decimation: other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had'
cazalla: i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform
asciilifeform: read what
asciilifeform: clearly did not read carefully.
asciilifeform astonished at the sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 <<< this part.. what is to envy? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
decimation: asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat
decimation: what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm?
asciilifeform: both
decimation: yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem'
mircea_popescu: sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly.
asciilifeform: 1) lvm exists 2) asinine 50/50 split of disk between 'root' and 'home'
asciilifeform: every time i ever used a binary dist of linux, ended up barfing from something like this
asciilifeform: i mean, 'what even' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: someone was dropped as a baby ?
mats: lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be?
decimation: one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home'
asciilifeform: there was a menu thingie, 'use all disk'
asciilifeform: the sane thing to do is to NOT LIE MOTHERFUCKERS
asciilifeform: and actually use whole disk
decimation: for what? /boot?
asciilifeform: /
decimation: aye, agreed
decimation: it has to insert itself into your business I guess
decimation: anyone serious does their own partition scheme
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: 50/50 root/home split forced ?!
mircea_popescu: this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned.
decimation: I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: thefaults are broken throughout nix world.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202806 < aye verily. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
asciilifeform: that is the one kind of thing for which the buggers have nothing up their sleeves
asciilifeform: (other than perhaps the long-awaited bullet in my head)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202873 << this i count in favour of the chinese. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202876 << this used to be the convention in the romania of the 90s : "90/60/90 or gtfo". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
mircea_popescu: suddenly makes implants a business expense.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202898 o.O ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202905 << obviously. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree"
asciilifeform: or does 'do' require daily indulgence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say wut ?
mircea_popescu: i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829508 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.
mod6: If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop.
mircea_popescu: so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint.
asciilifeform: this is not a 'do' ?
mircea_popescu: i guess it is.
mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot. ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: different things these or no ?
asciilifeform: 'do' is a variable thing. erdos, for instance, has to this day reputation of 'speed head' but the amount he is said to have taken, in a year, is quite possibly less than a typical addict eats in a week
mircea_popescu: ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc.
mircea_popescu: i just don't happen to care for it.
asciilifeform: probably the only folks who can really appreciate dope, hilariously, are those who don't care for it
mod6: also: http://thebicoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html
mircea_popescu: i guess that's a point
hanbot: mod6 is that an altcoin that swings both ways?
asciilifeform: mod6: that host doesn't resolve for me, interestingly
mod6: oh fuk
mod6: sorry
asciilifeform: (i'm still able to read the msg on therealbitcoin.org)
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] WARNING! Comparing Binaries for differences with & without OpenSSL configuration flag: no-shared ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dgu9 )
asciilifeform: l0l there.
mod6: missed the 't'
mod6: hanbot: haha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good!
BingoBoingo: It really is
punkman: https://archive.org/details/dnmarchives potential source for gpg keys not found on public keyservers
assbot: Dark Net Market archives, 2011-2015 : Gwern Branwen : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dt0B )
mircea_popescu: "Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat
mircea_popescu: ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity."
asciilifeform: punkman: neato. let me know if you found anything of interest therein
mircea_popescu: !up trixisowned
trixisowned: [22:55:27] <mircea_popescu> and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial.
trixisowned: oops
trixisowned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125214.0
assbot: The Golden Ratio Attack. Blocks more than half full lead to mining monopoly. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1DAcx )
trixisowned: sorry that was a accidental backcoppy
trixisowned: irc auto copy highlight :P
trixisowned: this sounds fairly legit
trixisowned: and a actuall problem.
mircea_popescu: yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ?
mircea_popescu: or what am i missing here.
mircea_popescu: again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ?
trixisowned: you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client
trixisowned: which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks
trixisowned: with their own transactions
trixisowned: and not relaying those transactions to other nodes
mircea_popescu: trixisowned have you been reading the log here ?
mircea_popescu: all this was discussed days ago.
trixisowned: nah i havent sorry
mircea_popescu: kay.
trinque: doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install
trinque: at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope
trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet
asciilifeform: or a copy of dd
asciilifeform: and 'foremost' or 1,001 other/better proggies
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere
trinque: and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun
asciilifeform: stow the originals, put in own.
trinque: yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right?
asciilifeform: nah, just to keep the old bits
asciilifeform: (i forget why you wanted'em)
trinque: ah ok
trinque: meh, no real reason, lol
trinque: I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/16/us-usa-obama-internet-idUSKCN0PP1JI20150716 " U.S. President Barack Obama announced a pilot project on Wednesday aimed at expanding broadband access for people who live in public housing, part of an effort to close what Obama called the "digital divide" between rich and poor."
assbot: Obama launches project for more broadband in public housing| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VmZH )
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/beac9a516b31a08bd0b2d76400e54306/tumblr_n83jbs1pqJ1rpyus3o1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VFnh )
decimation: Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech'
decimation: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-13/algorithms-had-themselves-a-treasury-flash-crash "Around 9:39 ET, the sudden visibility of certain sell limit orders in the futures market seemed to have coincided with the reversal in prices. Recall that only 10 levels of order prices above and below the best bid and ask price are visible to futures market participants. Around 9:39 ET, with prices still moving higher, a number of previ
assbot: Algorithms Had Themselves a Treasury Flash Crash - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VPuU )
decimation: " The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels.
decimation: ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)."
decimation: also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year"
mircea_popescu: managed to cross the wire ?
mircea_popescu: well done glbse!
mircea_popescu: !up TheRealJohnGalt
decimation: ^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners
decimation: " Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results."
decimation: so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact
mod6: aka wash trades
decimation: mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms
decimation: punkman posted this yesterday http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202259 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 09:06:29; punkman: ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy
mircea_popescu: decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future.
mircea_popescu: "The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik
mircea_popescu: e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ?
decimation: ^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage
decimation: the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you
mircea_popescu: " it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention)
decimation: that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt'
mircea_popescu: i had a pile.
decimation: as in actual stock ceritficates?
mircea_popescu: yes.
decimation: yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you
mircea_popescu: i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to participate.
decimation: you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently
decimation: or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same
mircea_popescu: how else would you do it ?
mircea_popescu: no, no "at least". have the cert or walk.
mircea_popescu: go ask your dad or w/e it is that has it.
decimation: well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying?
mircea_popescu: best ask him neh ?
decimation: indeed, it's an interesting question
mircea_popescu: again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy
decimation: actually in the us they kinda do sometimes
decimation: for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan
mircea_popescu: (yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd)
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203093 << didn't fail any tests, just didn't take any. I happened to have roommates that smoked pot every day, and for the brief period I lived with them, I partook. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: decimation how's this menu work ?
mircea_popescu: gernika they actually test ~for pot~ ?
mircea_popescu: even the nsa had to drop that one.
mircea_popescu: what, chinese are special?
decimation: very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money
gernika: mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them.
mircea_popescu: gernika sorry for some reason i thought it was china.
decimation: mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands.
mircea_popescu: people prefer not to own for all sorts of reasons.
gernika: mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed.
decimation: did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary?
mircea_popescu: how would they be lol.
mircea_popescu: think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ?
decimation: you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him
decimation: which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans
mircea_popescu: the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff.
mircea_popescu: so consequently...
decimation: yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too
mircea_popescu: people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it
mod6: joe kennedy
mircea_popescu: alright.
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi. ☟︎
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decimation: how did greenspun put it: http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya
assbot: Early Retirement: Investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6ZlFu )
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: "Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. "
mircea_popescu: harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture".
decimation: yeah, they buy timber land and private equity
decimation: also note that yale hardly buys bonds too
decimation: but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 3550 @ 0.00051 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: !up TheRealJohnGalt
BingoBoingo: !up GoonClooney
decimation: asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee
asciilifeform: l0lwat
decimation: I just saw about 20 people quit
decimation: maybe netsplit
asciilifeform: prolly
decimation: nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually
decimation: I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from
decimation: I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable
decimation: I can see the elegance of the stack-based design
decimation: where even function arguments are implict
decimation: also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc
asciilifeform: it is pretty neat, aha
decimation: asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want
asciilifeform: that kinda thing is more of a concern for wilderness folks (who have no wot)
mats: http://www.rc4nomore.com
assbot: RC4 NOMORE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K95Jg7 )
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202196 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
gabriel_laddel: ^ some people would like to have CLOS "models" http://web.archive.org/web/20140711171553/http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=2316 (see the section "An Interface/API Mechanism")
assbot: Things I Want in Common Lisp « Symbo1ics Ideas ... ( http://bit.ly/1K974Ua )
gabriel_laddel: Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it.
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202192 << You wouldn't use CLOS for this afaik? Write a (generic?) function that performs the necessary data munging and deal with these unnamed structures using `cons', `append', `car' etc. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
gabriel_laddel: !up artifexd
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202226 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl
gabriel_laddel: ^ wtf why
gabriel_laddel: CLIM!?
gabriel_laddel: Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done?
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al!
asciilifeform: gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (remember to always add by ip, stator does not support dns)
asciilifeform: (for now.)
asciilifeform: aaaand i think we might be ph0rk3d again just now.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool!
mod6: are you stuck on block 365`521?
asciilifeform: -20
asciilifeform: (the flagship node, interestingly, isn't)
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL ☟︎
trinque: however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: but iirc he quit, yes
trinque: double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days
mircea_popescu claps zoolag
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203280 << wtf why would you target "internet users". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ac85d1e67774ad97b370692cd87ca40/tumblr_n7fin8iqVA1t6sn51o1_400.gif << check out the sudden improvement in posture once the stick connects.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAB7Iq )
trinque: gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still
trinque: turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lordosis !
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 04:44:59; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol
trinque: mdma is a truly lovely drug.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i think there was a fourth where he appreciated hand-blown light bulbs. but under the influence of what, precisely - was not specified.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?".
gabriel_laddel: oh, and the liquid-acid restaurant.
asciilifeform: can't recall
gabriel_laddel: "less liquid, less acid"
asciilifeform: probably was a hypothetical
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers"
gribble: Shots from a voyage on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/shots-from-a-voyage/>; Proverb or expression for a situation with two choices, both leading ...: <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38243/proverb-or-expression-for-a-situation-with-two-choices-both-leading-to-a-differ>; Mainstream French Science Magazine Science et Vie on Cold ...: (1 more message)
lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#5C36ECF7F72E7DF2F75AB382EDB5C4F3F55890F8AAC2E9A7BF79BCCCF7E24B07>
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )
lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#E5D971BED516F3DAD920A90EF1FC17998F15DC52F179A95E45EA559544E77A4D>
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpoJ9K )
asciilifeform: lulziez
gabriel_laddel: trinque: ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-COMMON-LISP-Programmers/dp/0201175894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437016401&sr=8-1&keywords=a+programmers+guide+CLOS
assbot: Object-Oriented Programming in COMMON LISP: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS: Sonya E. Keene: 0785342175899: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RABHWB )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-b00k
asciilifeform: recommended.
trinque: cool.
asciilifeform: i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz
asciilifeform: prior to the 'tournamentization' of the programming trade in usa, it was a perfectly respectable profession
asciilifeform: for all kinds of folks
gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good.
asciilifeform: but it had to be converted to 'let's you all 19 y.o. derps fight to the death over scraps'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: missing a fuckton of things, but i was not the one who made the list
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser
mircea_popescu: because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I've not read that one.
decimation: asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar.
asciilifeform: decimation: different subject
asciilifeform: decimation: keene concerns conventional workaday clos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that once you bugspray the 19yo. pork, a craftsmanship sort of profession would tend to.
scoopbot_revived: A Megaton Load of Grassy Debris http://thewhet.net/2015/a-megaton-load-of-grassy-debris/
asciilifeform: like medicine did in ussr.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha speaking of which.
mircea_popescu: holy shit 51k
mircea_popescu: wd hanbot
cazalla: poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943
assbot: Pogoplug 30GB Cloud Storage FREE - OzBargain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RACarU )
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: cazalla: our pogo4 is officially out of print btz
asciilifeform: *btw
hanbot: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle.
mircea_popescu: 30gb, z80 cpu
asciilifeform: wake me up when this.
mircea_popescu: hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 51000 * 60 * .8
gribble: 2448000
mircea_popescu: two and a half mil ?
hanbot: 25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D
asciilifeform: anybody notice the blockless hour+ ~2h ago ?
mircea_popescu: so basically 1`000`000% returns. gotta be a record
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but by now this is a weekly thing
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: still gets me tho
asciilifeform bbl
trinque: gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks
trinque: er 13 shipped
gabriel_laddel: trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood *exactly* the limitations of their tooling.
gabriel_laddel: ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP
gabriel_laddel: Would appreciate any input.
trinque: cool, I'll let you know what I think of them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 177201 @ 0.0005435 = 96.3087 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153199 @ 0.0005322 = 81.5325 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> << ah hey!
ben_vulpes: anuzza for my .config
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97900 @ 0.00055949 = 54.7741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00056322 = 7.4165 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: girl is bolting her dress together tonight
ben_vulpes: rediscovers static friction
ben_vulpes: rediscovered*
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203227 << didn't you do these already? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 03:22:53; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi.
scoopbot_revived: Gwern Releases 1.5TB DNM Archive, Steps Down As /r/DarkNetMarkets Moderator http://qntra.net/2015/07/gwern-releases-1-5tb-dnm-archive-steps-down-as-rdarknetmarkets-moderator/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00053088 = 21.7926 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/ ☟︎
assbot: The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8Ndll )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00053423 = 37.1557 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok ben_vulpes, jus' for you then. http://41.media.tumblr.com/cde5e3b233b4ed7f7d98efcb31f4e3ec/tumblr_mh4wtihA9v1s3kc85o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc97qT )
punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-toys-have-been-mysteriously-appearing-on-power-lines-in-the-us-city-of-portland-oregon-10392252.html
assbot: Sex toys have been mysteriously appearing on power lines in the US city of Portland, Oregon - Weird News - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfw1v )
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/96f8e81b00bf0618805f7d9fe3af59f6/tumblr_n6543uxBHt1tv5p19o1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfxlX )
mircea_popescu: mystery solved.
punkman: "A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard."
mircea_popescu: aren't they hot ?
punkman: not hot enough apparently
mircea_popescu: that's refreshing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110877 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2338 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.hudaelislam.org/es/info/fo/alharam/alharam/Mecca-019.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DiFnAA )
mircea_popescu: hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ?
punkman: same as last week
mircea_popescu: aha.
punkman: "Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: "(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis
mircea_popescu: h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements."
mircea_popescu: word.
punkman: I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen
mircea_popescu: prolly a 30% tax.
punkman: problem is greece imports too much stuff
mircea_popescu: yes, this is aproblem, but not the way you think.
mircea_popescu: if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so.
mircea_popescu: "Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old.
punkman: older than that
mircea_popescu: ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex.
cazalla: ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6
BingoBoingo: !b 8 ✂︎
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mircea_popescu: i have, actually. positively lithe
mircea_popescu: not all black women come from samoa you know.
cazalla: not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before
davout: mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur
mircea_popescu: hi there.
cazalla: http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Provincial/15/07/14/Vancouver_Based_Dating_Site_Plenty_of_Fish_Sold_for_575_Million
assbot: Vancouver-Based Dating Site PlentyofFish Sold for $575 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDhGhI )
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: no 500 trillion ??!?!
cazalla: "There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day
nubbins`: with ASP.NET technology, no less.
mircea_popescu: ayup
cazalla: ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit
mircea_popescu: 5.75 an user ?
nubbins`: turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around
mircea_popescu: still seems insane to me.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: does the site even make money these days?
nubbins`: used to be free / ad-supported
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1123066.0
assbot: ❎►฿ Smoothie's Hawaiian Property (gauging interest for now) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQwwap )
nubbins`: hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live
mircea_popescu: i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers.
nubbins`: sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads
mircea_popescu: all islands suck to live on
mircea_popescu: if you're larger than a rat, at any rate.
nubbins`: heh, tell me about it.
nubbins`: ;;google the island of newfoundland
gribble: Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_(island)>; Newfoundland and Labrador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_and_Labrador>; Welcome to Newfoundland :: Where is Newfoundland?: <http://newfoundland.hilwin.nl/PHP/en/location.php>
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: isn't onedog of twodogs larger than europe ?
nubbins`: labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2
nubbins`: newfoundland is 400ish
mircea_popescu: oh that tiny ?
nubbins`: .ro, around 240
mircea_popescu: you mean thousand km^2 ?
nubbins`: hahah. yes. :/
mircea_popescu: aok
nubbins`: nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language
nubbins`: "talamh an éisc"
nubbins`: the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen"
nubbins`: as well as several bizarre grammatical structures
nubbins`: e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving"
nubbins`: jesus. who cares?
nubbins`: hey, steve
HeySteve: hello there
HeySteve: re: plenty of fish - http://postimg.org/image/upib72xjl/
assbot: View image: 11755092 1152768334738729 4554841114117486960 n ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQymYQ )
HeySteve: "there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!"
mircea_popescu: there's also drinks. http://41.media.tumblr.com/ca7613e9663326cd0ba60becf72f1cb9/tumblr_mxji2civUi1rz73x8o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQyQhm )
HeySteve: tasty
nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/16/0020246/fbi-helps-shut-down-piracy-sites-in-romania
assbot: FBI Helps Shut Down Piracy Sites In Romania - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAdN7 )
nubbins`: somewhat more interesting: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/rewalk-robotics-new-exoskeleton-lets-paraplegic-stroll-the-streets-of-nyc
assbot: ReWalk Robotics's New Exoskeleton Lets Paraplegic Stroll the Streets of NYC - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAn7i )
nubbins`: "He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him."
nubbins`: imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird
nubbins`: "The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said."
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: america: don't get sick
scoopbot_revived: X.EUR July 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/
HeySteve: "stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked."
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 374 @ 0.00395346 = 1.4786 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: yeah heh.
nubbins`: canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode
nubbins`: "Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests."
nubbins`: can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out?
mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :] ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66850 @ 0.00053052 = 35.4653 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4#t=4m30s
assbot: Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K94YAZ )
fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27479 @ 0.00053009 = 14.5663 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75227 @ 0.00052903 = 39.7973 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00053459 = 13.0707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005289 = 20.4155 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203378 << aha. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157467 >> it is spiffy, but difficult to build at first ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 07:04:39; ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
asciilifeform: it almost succeeds at shooting the very concept of db in the head ('i will do whatever i want to this data structure, and it will still be there if machine resets, without my having mutilated it in any way to make this possible')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00052841 = 35.7469 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00053459 = 14.1821 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform beat me to it
asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: we might wanna catch that exception instead of letting it propagate to the 'errors:' buffer
ben_vulpes: indeed
ben_vulpes: achtung, etc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"
asciilifeform: ^ elephant
asciilifeform: (the only public example i know of)
asciilifeform: symbolics corp. had some very interesting commercial lisp db, e.g., 'statice'
asciilifeform: but it is now of archaeological interest only
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00052784 = 29.7174 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2 << incidentally
assbot: The BITSAVERS.ORG Documents Library: Symbolics : Free Texts : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFciw )
ben_vulpes: those manual covers are gorgeous
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently no one on the net has the statice book up. so here it is, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/statice.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFHZO )
asciilifeform: enough to get a good sense of the flavour.
asciilifeform: re: 'elephant', note that the backend is not pure lisp
asciilifeform: has the consequence of making it a first-class bitch to set up on a given box
asciilifeform: (the ffi crud has to be just-so, etc)
ben_vulpes: neat, ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for
asciilifeform: the backend
asciilifeform: bdb
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: ever try it with pg?
asciilifeform: https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant << see docs.
assbot: The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u88z )
ben_vulpes: (i can see why a bdb impl would need it)
asciilifeform: it claims to work with pg, but i was never able to achieve this
asciilifeform: worth a shot, if you have a serious use for this
ben_vulpes: making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful
ben_vulpes: especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store
ben_vulpes: no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?
ben_vulpes: s/'s//
asciilifeform: whossat
ben_vulpes: colored coins iirc
asciilifeform: never heard of
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like they might be two separate people
ben_vulpes: well there's that then
asciilifeform: .. or not
asciilifeform: found at least two of'em
asciilifeform: but one is a journo-spammer and doesn't appear to have any part in software
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31782 @ 0.00053619 = 17.0412 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform bbl
mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge ☟︎
assbot: How We Fared in the Cyber Grand Challenge – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SpuV1a )
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2egL4y_VpYg
assbot: Bjarne Stroustrup - What – if anything – have we learned from C++? - PLE'15 Keynote/Curry On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Spv1G1 )
thestringpuller: ^^^ trigger warning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101400 @ 0.00052685 = 53.4226 BTC [-] {2}
mats: ?
mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach ☟︎
mats: nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck
danielpbarron: my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe
danielpbarron: i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node
danielpbarron: what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: it still wedges?
thestringpuller: (with "normal" nodes)?
danielpbarron: no, but it can't keep up either
danielpbarron: gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions
thestringpuller: That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down.
danielpbarron: the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks
danielpbarron: i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying
thestringpuller: Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's?
danielpbarron: i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth
danielpbarron: although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late
thestringpuller: Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you.
danielpbarron: could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines
danielpbarron: hah like i care what non foundation nodes do
danielpbarron: all i care is, do other nodes like me? ok good.
thestringpuller: nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io)
thestringpuller: I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials
assbot: The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhdYFA )
trinque: "Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?"
trinque: from Stroustrup talk
trinque closes it
ben_vulpes: kill the mempool, kill the relay
Naphex: Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;]
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker
danielpbarron: yay
jurov: daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: congrats jurov, danielpbarron
kakobrekla: did you ship them disassembled?
danielpbarron: i did, yes
trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo
trinque: so much room for blockchainz
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary.
shinohai 's pogo is very happy so far.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov cool, have fun
trinque: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting.html << another one went pop
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkEoj )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203485 << nuts huh ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203490 << can it be text summary or image ? youtube decided to cease working on non-retarded systems meanwhile. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203504 << right. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support
mircea_popescu: should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw.
mats: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/intel-confirms-tick-tock-shattering-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/
assbot: Intel confirms tick-tock-shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1gE8r0K )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: aww!
diametric: hmm my bouncer is terrible
mircea_popescu: who was arguing the point with me, decimation ?
thestringpuller: but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics.
diametric: i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it.
thestringpuller: Booooo. irssi stop spamming channel
mircea_popescu: what's that schmuck's handle
mircea_popescu: ;;seen gavinanderssen
gribble: I have not seen gavinanderssen.
mircea_popescu: ;;google gavin the bitcoin shithead
gribble: The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/>; "The Bitcoin protocol doesn't exist." : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31jh8m/the_bitcoin_protocol_doesnt_exist/>; ELI5: If Bitcoin is decentralized, why are there centralized people in ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: sucks trying to talk to the anon herd already.
mod6: <+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :>
thestringpuller: ;;seen gavinandressen
gribble: I have not seen gavinandressen.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen GavinAndresen
gribble: GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you.
mircea_popescu: aha
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ascii_field: cool!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why !
mod6: << nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books
mircea_popescu: myeah. you got better stuff to do.
ascii_field: it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway.
nubbins`: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/ct5fk9s
assbot: mike_hearn comments on Nick Szabo's hidden work ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSoc9Z )
mircea_popescu: the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq,
mircea_popescu: it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9003 @ 0.00054649 = 4.92 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people."
mircea_popescu: myeah.
nubbins`: ^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter
mircea_popescu: "other people"
nubbins`: heheheheh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26680 @ 0.00054649 = 14.5804 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on.
nubbins`: l'enfer
mircea_popescu: anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author.
nubbins`: yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0005475 = 15.0836 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that
BingoBoingo: Phoundation nodes just respond
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0037.mediawiki << apparently
assbot: bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpl1h )
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/xRHwZ
assbot: Box I found in my apartment - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSptOs )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203555 << these are separate issues. whether love or hate and whether curiosity or uncuriosity are perfectly orthogonal concerns. you can be lovingly uncurious, you can be hatefully curious, and the other two combos as well. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ?
ascii_field: nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger
mircea_popescu: as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps.
mircea_popescu: such as you know, things written by english native speakers.
ascii_field: this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest'
mircea_popescu: i imagined so.
ascii_field: 'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer)
nubbins`: ascii_field not mine
nubbins`: i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo
mircea_popescu: well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely.
mircea_popescu: ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of.
mircea_popescu: so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically.
mircea_popescu: so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke.
mircea_popescu: a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide.
ascii_field: (fairly arbitrary example)
mircea_popescu: things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem
mircea_popescu: oh ok...
mats: it is certainly an aesthetic concern
mats: and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?
mats: because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did
trinque: mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten?
trinque: there's humor in that
mircea_popescu: mats so anecdotally ?
mats: yes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too.
mircea_popescu: anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn
mircea_popescu: 't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps.
mircea_popescu: the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout.
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't matter, imo.
nubbins`: <+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one
mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are.
mats: it stinks of intellectual laziness
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess.
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible.
ascii_field: who is surprised by this ?
trinque: ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective.
trinque: I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on
trinque: and am glad I didn't waste more of my career.
mircea_popescu: yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs.
mircea_popescu: the other sort broadly make titanics.
ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see that point too
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.
ascii_field: does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes
mircea_popescu: neither.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on.
ascii_field: !s lightoller
assbot: 5 results for 'lightoller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightoller
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921779 << old thread ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21789 @ 0.00054649 = 11.9075 BTC [-]
punkman: ascii_field, what did Lightoller do?
mircea_popescu: well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case.
mircea_popescu: he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't.
ascii_field: he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'
mircea_popescu: at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move.
mircea_popescu: nothing matches the perversity of justice.
ascii_field: why the right move?
ascii_field: i dun see it
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRycY2Xtg4
assbot: Angela Merkel tells sobbing asylum seeker why she cannot stay in Germany - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9ObxF )
mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor."
mircea_popescu: doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54590 @ 0.00055152 = 30.1075 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ah what the hell, i'll bite.
mats: well, yeah. its a hard problem
mats: black box and all
ascii_field: wai wut
ascii_field must have missed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203548 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:25:02; mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge
mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean is this :
mircea_popescu: the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: signed by the right key.
mircea_popescu: normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no
mircea_popescu: but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today.
mircea_popescu: "orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief.
mircea_popescu: ya see ?
mircea_popescu: you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters
mircea_popescu: (formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions)
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today
ascii_field: what is it that people would switch to ?
mircea_popescu: satoshi's own bitcoin 1.0
ascii_field: built with vs, aha
ascii_field: hurry, switch.
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :)
ascii_field: the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah'
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel what specifically ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are.
mircea_popescu: the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink
ascii_field: before it hit the ice.
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: yep.
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy organising the raft boats ?
gabriel_laddel: there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...
ascii_field: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf << original article
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEijrg )
gabriel_laddel: exact article I was thinking of
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ?
gabriel_laddel: mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred?
mircea_popescu: "here is the new bitcoin"
ascii_field: if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs
mircea_popescu: but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.
ascii_field: so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ?
gabriel_laddel: http://www.shagbase.com/one-piece-off-ass/ << lovely captions
assbot: Shagbase - One Piece of Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEiN0p )
mircea_popescu: no.
ascii_field: i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated.
mircea_popescu: depends what it says.
mircea_popescu: there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it.
ascii_field: well yes.
mircea_popescu: moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there.
mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for. ☟︎
ascii_field: but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~
ascii_field: vs merely a club.
mircea_popescu: anyway. ima be off ot eat.
mircea_popescu: we can continue later!
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2601&pr=0
assbot: JL: Your Stolen Man Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxTq9g )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64128 @ 0.00054481 = 34.9376 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21972 @ 0.00053338 = 11.7194 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit
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