mircea_popescu: it would not surprise me.
mircea_popescu: crypto inglesa
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here
mircea_popescu: mthreat wait, what ?!
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared
BingoBoingo: Crypto Inglesa sounds more like GPG
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no that's correo inglesa
mthreat: mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines
mthreat: again, unverified
mircea_popescu: mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too
mircea_popescu: i think i even have pics published on trilema somewhere of this in san antonio tx
BingoBoingo: Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob.
mthreat: i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D
BingoBoingo: One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws
BingoBoingo: I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes)
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BingoBoingo: Were we still looking at the back part of July?
BingoBoingo: http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=7&calendar=DEFAULT and August http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=8&calendar=DEFAULT
assbot: Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule
assbot: Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule
BingoBoingo: Oops thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/general-surgery/
assbot: American Board of General Surgery to Add Section on Barbering | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
mircea_popescu: ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece.
mircea_popescu: god i love this chan
mircea_popescu: (it's not done yet, but should be in a coupla hours)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are you using that has 'll' ? unix system V ?
asciilifeform: (mentioned in footnote to 'strange things people think')
asciilifeform: ... minix ?
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? fucking ubuntu has ll. debian has ll.
mircea_popescu: what doesn't have ll
asciilifeform: me.
mircea_popescu: lol ok
mircea_popescu: why not ? ls sucks
asciilifeform: (to be fair, if i didn't build it from src, it's not here)
mircea_popescu: (it's just an alias for ls -l you know)
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: a little retro
mircea_popescu: well ya.
mircea_popescu: ls should be -l by default anyway.
asciilifeform: ltr
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched
mike_c: trippy. imma go throw up now. http://amiagoodperson.tumblr.com/
assbot: am i really a good person?
asciilifeform: e.g. electric nose, retinal projection display, various biological strange
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe
mircea_popescu: it's a complex problem
asciilifeform: more examples - anything to do with wavelets
asciilifeform: one could make a tedious list
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BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now
BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs
asciilifeform: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0252.txt
asciilifeform: ^ yarvin as a kid, when he was more fun
asciilifeform: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0234.html
assbot: cDc paramedia: texXxt #234
asciilifeform: ^ ditto
BingoBoingo: Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad
asciilifeform: circa... 2009?
asciilifeform: that narrowed the candidate list to 1.
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asciilifeform: at least that's when i (not acquainted with the man personally) learned the truth
BingoBoingo: Interesting how this works.
asciilifeform: that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it
asciilifeform: folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor
asciilifeform: and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation
asciilifeform: not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...)
asciilifeform: going back to mr mold:
asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'
asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'
asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'
asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'
asciilifeform: (end of mega-quote.)
asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: My Navrozov moments
asciilifeform: ^ the piece in question
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it <<
mircea_popescu: similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously.
asciilifeform: 'tight' understood to mean, actually making an effort to conceal your human name
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: anyway, no research is ever fraudulent.
benkay: oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop."
mircea_popescu: the historyof nonsense is still scholarship
mircea_popescu: one just has to be jewish enough about it.
BingoBoingo: I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away.
mircea_popescu: benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better.
asciilifeform: 300 dollar shirt << chain mail?
mircea_popescu: no lol
BingoBoingo: I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports...
asciilifeform: what other shirt has 'obvious' price
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: W-metal shirt
BingoBoingo: Or Z-weighted shirt
mircea_popescu: hm
BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles
asciilifeform: a fine example, actually, of solving wrong engineering problem
asciilifeform: consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack'
asciilifeform: most people, at least, have the sense to solve the latter problem another way.
BingoBoingo: Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations.
BingoBoingo: I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method
asciilifeform: and thus off by 200+km without fail
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors.
benkay: (as well)
asciilifeform: can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet...
BingoBoingo: So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy...
asciilifeform: radio-seeking guidance is sop even now.
benkay: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/09/hidden-deep-inside-the-oregon-woods-is-a-boeing-727-and-it-wasnt-parked-there-by-accident/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons
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benkay: see, cascadia's full of rad old coots
asciilifeform: (for short-range rockets)
BingoBoingo: Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/10/the_official_live_thread_of_the_south_carolina_and_virginia_primaries.html
assbot: Eric Cantor Loses: The Official Live Thread of the South Carolina and Virginia Primaries
asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
asciilifeform: so they all got rocketed.
asciilifeform: (triangulation)
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BingoBoingo: Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ =====
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ?
asciilifeform: on battleship, harass neighbours with... exocets
BingoBoingo: Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now...
dub: benkay reinforces another jew stereotype
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014&bots=true#488932
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: !up rmerritt
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole
mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.
mike_c: what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought
mike_c: just homes in on strongest source.
asciilifeform: mike_c: consider the question of how one finds the strongest source.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts?
mike_c: i did not.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses
mike_c: what, it plunks in the middle?
mircea_popescu: sort-of yea
asciilifeform: beauty is, you can now do experiment (vs gedankenexperiment) yourself, just need ~$100 and local computer junk shop
mike_c: and a HARM
asciilifeform: buy 'wifi' locator keychain and a box of old routers.
mircea_popescu: mike_c just the seeking part.
mircea_popescu: diy, 50 bux
mircea_popescu: or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better.
mike_c: well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers.
mike_c: as long as you know which way is up..
mike_c: ignore signals from down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: tale: take with requisite grain of whatever salt, it was told by a russian
asciilifeform: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that
mike_c: not always, but when you are designing for it you can.
asciilifeform: mike_c: clouds - moon, if you want! are... reflective.
asciilifeform: if you need, it can 'come from down'
mircea_popescu: mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but
BingoBoingo: And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings
mircea_popescu: plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon
asciilifeform: signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise.
asciilifeform: (how do we pick it up? open a textbook, pll...)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive.
BingoBoingo: Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court
asciilifeform: gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up'
asciilifeform: think about it
jborkl: My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours
jborkl: Not sure if it is traffic or ?
mircea_popescu: jborkl welcome to the internet.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 7000 * 3600 * 24 / (1024 ** 3)
gribble: 0.563263893127
asciilifeform: jborkl: 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc
mike_c: asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no?
mircea_popescu: mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution
mike_c: i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam
mike_c: but i think it is now
asciilifeform: mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason)
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage
mircea_popescu: and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic.
BingoBoingo: Most under rated turn of the century film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186566/
assbot: Space Cowboys (2000) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: it certainly isn't nowhere near today.
asciilifeform: modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam
asciilifeform: for this reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity
mircea_popescu: also for this reason
BingoBoingo: And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft...
mike_c: yeah but we got lots of uav's
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: ;;google you and the atomic bomb
gribble: George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: <http://orwell.ru/library/articles/ABomb/english/e_abomb>; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/05/business/la-fi-mh-orwells-atomic-20131104>; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: <http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html>
BingoBoingo: The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II
BingoBoingo: Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in actual history it wasn't so bad.
BingoBoingo: Ghandi was just a Brown Edward Teller
mircea_popescu: problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov.
mircea_popescu: were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant.
asciilifeform: gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia'
mircea_popescu: you mean everyone on reddit ?
asciilifeform: 'i built Woman's Suffrage, can now research Atomic Power !'
BingoBoingo: Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests :
asciilifeform started and ended with civ-1
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/sid-meiers-civilisation-3/
assbot: Sid Meier’s Civilisation (3) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: me single town owning world.
mircea_popescu: shit sorry wrong link
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/revelatie-nocturna/ < that one
assbot: Revelatie nocturna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time
mircea_popescu: wasn;t it in game ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, 70k gold +1k per turn. sexy!
asciilifeform: mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked.
mircea_popescu: nice huh
BingoBoingo: That is a beautiful situation you fell into
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BingoBoingo: Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules.
asciilifeform played as barbarians...
BingoBoingo: :D
asciilifeform ashamed, probably spent more time patching games than playing
BingoBoingo: Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun.
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BingoBoingo: rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time
jborkl: So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow
jborkl: And see what's up
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of radio triangulation, cryptome is back - with: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/dea-nsa-sandkey.pdf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/iron-box-security.htm
asciilifeform: (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist)
BingoBoingo: Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sit down for this one. they don't use pgp either...
mircea_popescu: jborkl http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/
assbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: trilema serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job.
jborkl: Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out
asciilifeform: 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.'
mircea_popescu: so grep the log for unique ips
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. // worse things could happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech)
benkay: ;;google agenture
gribble: Agenture apparel manufacturing, Bestbase group | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/company/agenture-hk>; Gabay-agenture.net: <http://gabay-agenture.net/>; Agenture Cortese « KOOPmedia: <http://www.koopmedia.nl/index.php/agenture-cortese/>
benkay: ?
asciilifeform: benkay: 'humint' to english folks
asciilifeform: sorry
benkay: no need to apologize for my poor education
BingoBoingo: -assets, where crackpots become spies
benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: as in, recruiting traitors
asciilifeform: (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying)
BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash...
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: stack trace?
asciilifeform: or BingoBoingo doesn't like money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your favourite debugger
BingoBoingo: You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology
asciilifeform: if on linux box, check syslog
BingoBoingo: Explain this to me like I'm Usagi
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
asciilifeform: re: humint: intro textbook:
asciilifeform: http://nekaka.com/d/WNRkvY3LBE
assbot: NEKAKA - Download File - spies.pdf
dub: type> dmesg
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asciilifeform: ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook
benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
assbot: [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
diametric: asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today
asciilifeform: diametric: nope. but front yard kinda dissolved.
diametric: fun
asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines.
asciilifeform: (fire alarm, flooders)
BingoBoingo: NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger
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diametric: nigbuntu?
BingoBoingo: diametric: That's it's name nao.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full
asciilifeform: but it's a good educational exercise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ask diametric perhaps
asciilifeform: or put a bounty.
diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe
asciilifeform: lolz
BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try magnesium
BingoBoingo: A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures.
asciilifeform: in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right
BingoBoingo: But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar...
asciilifeform: (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange
BingoBoingo: It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose...
asciilifeform: [insert the tired old mozart joke here]
BingoBoingo: Or Bentham...
asciilifeform: ;;google mozart decomposing
gribble: "Mozart: Decomposing Since 1791." - Threadless.com - Best t-shirts ...: <https://www.threadless.com/product/2552/Mozart_Decomposing_Since_1791>; Musician Jokes - A Joke a Day: <http://www.ajokeaday.com/Clasificacion.asp?ID=59>; Mozart Decomposing: Musician Jokes at Jokes.Net: <http://www.jokes.net/mozartdecomposing.htm>
BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: forget consensus
BingoBoingo: That's a good point.
asciilifeform: i personally like gentoo because i'm a *bsd exile.
asciilifeform: your mileage may vary.
benkay: what exiled you from bsd?
asciilifeform: hardware support
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting
BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check
asciilifeform: you'll have problems you never knew existed - in exchange for various plus
dub: ff crashed because ff
BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable
BingoBoingo: ANd instead drive a plastic car.
asciilifeform: the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter...
BingoBoingo: It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner.
BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hanging on locked file?
Namworld: At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second.
BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.
benkay: wb Namworld
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room
asciilifeform: (not only about what you don't want)
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...
BingoBoingo: Imma drink moar and think about it.
asciilifeform: for a masochist - minix...
asciilifeform: ;;google men were men and wrote own device drivers
gribble: Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds>; Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT - Google Groups: <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o>; Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition: Preface - XML.com: <http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch00.html>
BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...
asciilifeform: for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet'
BingoBoingo: A fool me once sort of deal...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook
BingoBoingo: Minix 3
asciilifeform: wow, never knew it went retarded
asciilifeform: get '1'
decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad
asciilifeform: decimation: now if only it... worked
BingoBoingo: I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome...
decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?
asciilifeform: decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen)
asciilifeform: i suspect they only test under winblows
asciilifeform: took me a week to get it to build, too
decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows
decimation: and costs a fortune
asciilifeform: other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable
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asciilifeform: in electric world, open source sorta never really happened
decimation: back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago
asciilifeform: with possible exception of 'magic'
asciilifeform: (vlsi package)
BingoBoingo: Brb
decimation: well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck
asciilifeform: 'spice' is pretty good for what it is (mechanism for solving unsolvable problem)
decimation: it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/
assbot: Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator
asciilifeform: used, wasn't particularly impressed
decimation: wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck
asciilifeform: varying degrees of suction
asciilifeform: the difference is not irrelevant in practice
decimation: seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver
asciilifeform: e.g. does it 'let you help', or resists valiantly
asciilifeform: due for a really good ai << np-complete. good luck.
decimation: well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made
asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones.
asciilifeform: like kikad's.
decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware
asciilifeform: decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem
BingoBoingo: My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)...
asciilifeform: i.e. 100% of users are paying out of someone else's pocket
decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware
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asciilifeform: 'enterprise!'
decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"
decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island
BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"
decimation: it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate
BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...
asciilifeform: the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc)
asciilifeform: and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....
asciilifeform: at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios'
asciilifeform: not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows
asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script
asciilifeform: and other unspeakables
asciilifeform: if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this
BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5
decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl
BingoBoingo: decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl
BingoBoingo: Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java
BingoBoingo: And now the world burns
asciilifeform: ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss
asciilifeform: (camel gotta piss)
BingoBoingo: Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months.
decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set
BingoBoingo: Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap
decimation: something other than market forces are operating here
asciilifeform: educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to?
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asciilifeform: the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null.
BingoBoingo: Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks
decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests
asciilifeform: cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box
asciilifeform: on top of whatever os you're stuck with
BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.
BingoBoingo: Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_21183_6-unexpected-things-i-learned-from-being-drug-dealer_p2.html#ixzz34INw2rHH
assbot: 6 Unexpected Things I Learned From Being a Drug Dealer | Cracked.com
BingoBoingo: "
BingoBoingo: Y tu Sun 5
decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target
asciilifeform: (in approximately the same way emacs does)
asciilifeform: decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from your link: http://www.cracked.com/article_21165_6-works-propaganda-that-backfired-in-hilarious-ways.html
assbot: 6 Works of Propaganda That Backfired in Hilarious Ways | Cracked.com
decimation: ascii as in super mario brothers?
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asciilifeform: decimation: ?
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BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it.
decimation: What did you mean by "SMBX"?
decimation: ;;google smbx box
gribble: SMBX Tutorial: How to make a message box - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwSWoo00A1U>; SMBX Level Editor Tutorial | Advanced | Layers & Events - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGDBkUBKkQU>; Super Mario Bros X - Cheat Codes - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm8qwjlPQM>
asciilifeform: symbolics corp.
decimation: ah
asciilifeform: used to be on 'nasdaq' as smbx
BingoBoingo: ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong"
gribble: The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0>; The Price is Wrong - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6Uz67u4xM>; The Price Is Wrong Bitch GIFs on Giphy: <http://giphy.com/search/the-price-is-wrong-bitch>
decimation: apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X
decimation: goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.symbolics-dks.com
asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.
asciilifeform: not sure if he has any left to sell these days
asciilifeform: but if he does, and you want one, he'll pick up phone, invite you over.
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asciilifeform: (that's where i got mine)
asciilifeform: the man is in his 80s i think
BingoBoingo: A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more.
asciilifeform: the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu)
asciilifeform: and, of course, the owner.
BingoBoingo: Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded.
asciilifeform: for some years, it was a new york (?) serial con man, who bought and sold corpses of old companies
asciilifeform: died with millions in debt
asciilifeform: even had artificial heart, bought on a kited cheque
decimation: I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: didn't know a thing about computers
decimation: reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived
BingoBoingo: rabite is a different monster...
asciilifeform: a source that didn't want to be named told me that one dr john mallery (mit) bought it for fire sale price
asciilifeform: after topping (con man) died
asciilifeform: mallery wrote cl-http, infamous for draconian license
asciilifeform: for some years it ran www.whitehouse
BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz.
asciilifeform: mallery is a 'man of wealth and taste', possibly consults for nsa & friends.
decimation: wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems
BingoBoingo: Wealth in itself is nothing without taste.
asciilifeform: what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30.
asciilifeform: http://usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22SYMBOLICS+TECHNOLOGY+INCORPORATED%22%2C%22recipient_duns%22%3A%5B%22966978090%22%5D%7D&sort_by=dollars&per_page=25
asciilifeform: it brings in a few $10k/yr in maintenance contracts, dated into eternity
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decimation: Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things
asciilifeform: decimation: if i recall, they do cartography there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months?
asciilifeform: can't say that i can
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....
asciilifeform: re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts.
asciilifeform: it's worth about what a decent restaurant in a small town is.
BingoBoingo: So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts?
asciilifeform: i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age
asciilifeform: there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work
decimation: well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware...
asciilifeform: it's more like 40-50k
BingoBoingo: Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced.
asciilifeform: proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute
asciilifeform: etc
decimation: well, the can be "replaced", FAA style
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform: AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx
BingoBoingo: Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane.
decimation: these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm
assbot: Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS)
asciilifeform: they sold thousands of surplus boxes when they moved to some 'enterprise' crudware
decimation: this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas
asciilifeform: (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.)
decimation: old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers)
BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog???
decimation: how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'?
decimation: using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing
asciilifeform: the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support
asciilifeform: microshit comes and offers to 'help'
BingoBoingo: decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit.
asciilifeform: etc
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decimation: well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example
decimation: I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel.
BingoBoingo: Cwm makes me want a real keyboard.
decimation: I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors
BingoBoingo: decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards.
decimation: bar code readers are a trival add-on character device
BingoBoingo: Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages...
decimation: I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen
BingoBoingo: And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving...
asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows
asciilifeform: threw out hundreds of perfectly good ibm green screens
decimation: yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards
decimation: I think unisys bought the main library vendor
BingoBoingo: I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core.
BingoBoingo: LIke Nigbungu brainwashed everyone.
BingoBoingo: And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers.
decimation: re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason
asciilifeform: decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s
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asciilifeform: don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though
asciilifeform: the bureaucrats simply bent under the weight of the seemingly inevitable
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BingoBoingo: Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/
assbot: Inconvenience | Bingo Blog
decimation: for example, I read this story in the morning paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25730375/estate-of-late-state-health-director-files
assbot: Estate of Loretta Fuddy, state health director killed in plane c - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water)
BingoBoingo: Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so.
asciilifeform: that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two
asciilifeform: in usa.
decimation: her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat.
decimation: how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island)
BingoBoingo: Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry.
BingoBoingo: Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare
asciilifeform: what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before?
decimation: well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape"
BingoBoingo: Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats
asciilifeform: or should they sue the bartender who mixed the a saxitoxin cocktail?
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decimation: yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices
BingoBoingo: What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines.
decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well
decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well?
asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun
decimation: or fall out of a building
asciilifeform: that, etc.
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asciilifeform: at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here!
BingoBoingo: All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3?
BingoBoingo: Is no one creative anymore?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency)
BingoBoingo: It does indeed
asciilifeform: interestingly no mention of this on pediwikia
asciilifeform: the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic
asciilifeform: they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle
asciilifeform: (what did the corpses have in common)
BingoBoingo: Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also the death of slobodan m.
asciilifeform: (conveniently given the 'opposite' heart rate med shortly before he was to testify)
BingoBoingo: The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave.
BingoBoingo: Then again people with ideas are idiots.
BingoBoingo: I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent.
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BingoBoingo: I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on.
BingoBoingo: Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements.
BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Plz say your dog is okay.
asciilifeform: i often wonder how many people go to bed every night, with not one nailgun wound, disappointed at their insignificance
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint
asciilifeform: 'i'm still alive, must be a tard'
BingoBoingo: Indeed. My new alias is Tater Totz
BingoBoingo: Fuck me
BingoBoingo: I suck
BingoBoingo: Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz
BingoBoingo: This... must really suck for them...
asciilifeform doesn't get the reference - or really want to
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: She is ok
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates.
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: That is great.
justusranvier: Suppose I should tweet a follow up
BingoBoingo: Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/476576385796825088
assbot: I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash
justusranvier: I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us".
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent...
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/476575872636289024
assbot: She's doing much better than a few days ago. http://t.co/0DRu2ae1qD
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/476491781614624768
assbot: It's not everyday you get a letter from the NSA. :-) /hashtag/FOIA?src=hash http://t.co/nmXYFpF8CS
BingoBoingo: Thank you justusranvier
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ <<
assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: mp proudly presents.
BingoBoingo: That is some hella timing
BingoBoingo: Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but why nig ?
BingoBoingo: Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word.
mircea_popescu: oic.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly.
BingoBoingo: Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this.
BingoBoingo: Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth.
mircea_popescu: hm, syslog ?
BingoBoingo: Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link.
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: that's not likely a kernel errror
asciilifeform: if all (even userland) crashes were exploitable - we'd all be rich
asciilifeform: (or just very sad)
BingoBoingo: I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure.
BingoBoingo: Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
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mircea_popescu: !b 2
asciilifeform: ratio of crashes to useful (exploitable) crashes is roughly like kimberlite to diamond.
BingoBoingo: Explain those minerals in Eve terms...
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/
BingoBoingo: Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: volcanic rock, found in za
mircea_popescu: davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes.
BingoBoingo: Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go???
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust nkuttler
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nkuttler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nkuttler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nkuttler | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 17:12:48 2013
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally you can still get '.su'
BingoBoingo: Wake me up when I can get .nig
BingoBoingo: SHort for shuttleworth
asciilifeform: wonder who will have '.us' a decade hence
BingoBoingo: Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has.
mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe
mircea_popescu: to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
mircea_popescu: you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you.
joecool: ;;gettrust assbot joecool
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
BingoBoingo: Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update.
mircea_popescu: punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0 << holy shit that 2nd post reads like yahoo answers
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
mircea_popescu: they've created their own community alright.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's post: führerprinzip, it works. preaching to choir?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, ~= 'единоначалие'. how do you say 'führerprinzip' in english? 'steve jobs' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think these are the same tbh.
asciilifeform: true
asciilifeform: if they were, there'd be no need to learn languages
mircea_popescu: there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to.
mircea_popescu: your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do.
asciilifeform: i like to call it 'playing civ-1'
mircea_popescu: it's exhausting.
asciilifeform: stalin was never more frustrated and ineffective than when he played civ1
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what, on the early years of the front?
asciilifeform: there, and occasionally at home
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer << lmao
mircea_popescu: jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random"
mircea_popescu: now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate.
asciilifeform: cue the 'we live in submarine' song
mircea_popescu: drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ?
mircea_popescu: !up drawingthesun
BingoBoingo: It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard!
BingoBoingo: I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here?
BingoBoingo: moiety???
mircea_popescu: mnope
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
BingoBoingo: Ah
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <moiety> ok moving time, see yous later!
mircea_popescu: wonder what happened to her
BingoBoingo: Prolly Phone blindness
asciilifeform: finally bought manul ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring...
asciilifeform: (phun phact. last i checked, you can legally own and keep any animal you wish in a moscow apartment.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Same holds in Missouri.
asciilifeform: there's a clip somewhere of a happy owner of siberian lynx in a little flat there.
asciilifeform: 8th floor.
BingoBoingo: Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise.
asciilifeform: (new meaning for tired old 'longcat is long')
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-imperial-monarch-might-ship-600gh-model-now/
decimation: mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness"
decimation: most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men
asciilifeform: decimation: carlyle, evola, ..., ..., limonov, moldy... if one were to spit out all the folks who complained about kinglessness, freenode will boot you for flooding
decimation: yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious
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decimation: also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development
asciilifeform: 'All cannot play the king, and a host of leaders is no wise thing. Let us have but the one leader, the one true king...' - homer's iliad, part ii
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: decimation: the subject of democracy as a successful parasite on wealthy nations was beaten to death by countless people.
asciilifeform: before mr. m touched it
asciilifeform: somehow he gets credited with it by the reddit folks, sorta like tim leary getting credit for lsd
asciilifeform: (most americans seem to think that leary discovered it)
decimation: yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject
BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers.
decimation: but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint
asciilifeform: pity he couldn't stop at popularizing and had to mix in assorted crud.
asciilifeform: when we make monkey noises at moldbug, have to remember, the man perhaps should not be held responsible for his audience
mircea_popescu: decimation how;s that one go ?
asciilifeform: 'you go to war with the enemy you had, not the enemy you wish you had' - or how'd that go.
decimation: the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)?
mircea_popescu: the irony being that democracy works fine... here.
mircea_popescu: among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00006623 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois.
asciilifeform: incidentally, old russian folk phrase for a fool, 'без царя в голове' - literally, 'without a king in his head' is useful & applicable
asciilifeform: sovereignty starts 'at home'
mircea_popescu: pretty much
asciilifeform: some american or other wrote about 'femtoeconomics' - keeping order in your own brain, i think it was
asciilifeform: perhaps similar concept
decimation: my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy
asciilifeform: mr mold sometimes reminds me of a kid, given a chess set but with no notion of the game, treating the pieces as a curious kind of marble / blunt or pointed weapon.
decimation: yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking
BingoBoingo: WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo...
decimation: well, I don't think he's an expert chemist...
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm
assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
BingoBoingo: That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit.
asciilifeform: 'It is useful, however, to distinguish between tinkering and creativity...'
asciilifeform: '...The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of childlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite.'
mircea_popescu: not a bad observation.
mircea_popescu: too many kids running around, raising kids of their own
decimation: asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link.
decimation: It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression
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BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo
mircea_popescu: decimation indeed it is.
mircea_popescu: that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats
[]bot: Bet created: "S.MG profitable in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/897/
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 260 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 4k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143
BingoBoingo: OMG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0243847 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia"
mircea_popescu: perhaps some reparations are in order.
mircea_popescu: Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085347 = 4.6087 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm << splendid read indeed.
assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00085347 = 0.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07035599 = 0.6332 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06988 = 0.6988 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700002 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085609 = 0.6849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00085609 = 9.5026 BTC [+]
dub: is buttpay having issues anyone is aware of?
dub: namecheap can't take my coinz
fluffypony: dub: I made a BTC payment to NameCheap yesterday
fluffypony: what's it doing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
dub: not happneing, they have acknowledged a problem
fluffypony: kk
dub: http://status.namecheap.com/?p=15985
assbot: Namecheap Status » [Updated] BitCoin Connectivity Issues
fluffypony: that's annoying
dub: indeed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02890909 = 0.318 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: rice boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2K2lCgbXw
assbot: Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube
decimation: for those innocent of the subject, here's a video that gives a taste of the Chinese dominance of the electronics market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtRJc-z05k
assbot: Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085639 = 2.8261 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.01801326 = 1.4411 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.02439593 = 1.6589 BTC [+] {5}
davout: good morning
fluffypony: morningz
Naphex: morning
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.254 = 1.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.255 = 1.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25888887 = 0.5178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2608 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265047&cid=47207157
assbot: Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00085609 = 0.5565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00085442 = 1.7943 BTC [-]
davout: kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/
assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1)
pankkake: "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout
davout: as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses
pankkake: s/at/for/
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0299999 = 0.51 BTC [+]
chetty: It’s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago’s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School’s 2014 prom theme: “This is Are Story.”
pankkake: :o thanks obama!
Mats_cd03: they meant to do it, i promise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 122 @ 0.01800022 = 2.196 BTC [-] {3}
chetty: pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids
dub: but blame africa
pankkake: but he's from Chicago right?
chetty: well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot
Mats_cd03: barely
dub: its a story about pirates
chetty: now heres one to feed the fear: http://witscience.org/analysis-of-radio-frequency-identification-rfid-chip-prevalence-in-3-discrete-united-states-populations/
assbot: Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7761 @ 0.00085426 = 6.6299 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0693002 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}
dub: I'd like to know whats on the chip
dub: one of our american brothers should dump one
chetty: shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out
dub: should be able to just scan it
fluffypony: http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2014/cacr2014-10.pdf
fluffypony: that is awesome
dub IPO's the Personal Faraday Cage
fluffypony: lol
dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY
assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0698 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029999 = 0.21 BTC [-]
pankkake: http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/anuncios/2014-no-hay-mas-direcciones-ipv4-en-lac
assbot: Home - LACNIC
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-betting-kicks-brazil-world-cup/
assbot: Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup
pankkake: no bitbet either
davout: dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY <<< old but gold
assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <davout> kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/
assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dub: davout: handome coke sniper is the best
dub: hansom*
davout: watching
davout: dub: amazing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085444 = 9.527 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359
kakobrekla: !up weenfan
kakobrekla: how stupid is this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.029999 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0699 = 0.3495 BTC [+]
assbot: weenfan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up weenfan
kakobrekla: !up SomeoneWeird
weenfan: :)
kakobrekla: welcome!
fluffypony: kakobrekla: what's stupid?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029 = 0.203 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0244 = 0.3172 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: fluffy http://dpaste.com/2J7QFJ6.txt
fluffypony: lol
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07039137 = 0.7039 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867
assbot: The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085349 = 3.9261 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0244 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.00429979 = 0.4472 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it.
mircea_popescu: benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura.
mircea_popescu: but since we're on it : agentura.ru :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0694053 = 0.4164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085495 = 11.5418 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page.
mircea_popescu: someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all.
mircea_popescu: basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here.
mircea_popescu: diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy.
mircea_popescu: i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ?
mircea_popescu: dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now.
mircea_popescu: this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages.
pankkake: their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages.
mircea_popescu: pankkake haha you have a way with words mr.
mircea_popescu: ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gentoo is a source-only distro, where you get to twiddle compiler flags, wait a week for newly-provisioned machine to compile the universe, and - most annoyingly - suffer in the innermost circle of 'dependency hell' where you have to tear up the entire world to build xxxx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter part. bycicling
mircea_popescu: i know why gentoo sucks :D
asciilifeform: (on account of xxxx depending on yyy which cannot be built with old version of xxxx around, etc. - sometimes 50 packages long 'chain')
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: picture the folks who ride 50km on bicycle in each direction every day
mircea_popescu: but why would it have to be 50km ?
asciilifeform: because usa
mircea_popescu: but that's because non-cycle.
mircea_popescu: in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine.
asciilifeform: obviously true
mircea_popescu: in a town designed for driving nothing ever works.
asciilifeform: also true
mircea_popescu: (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed)
asciilifeform: seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not << 'travelling salesman problem'
mircea_popescu: let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ?
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: some proggys even try to place components
asciilifeform: (this, afaik, never works)
mircea_popescu: ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite.
mircea_popescu: what's the problem with bruteforcing it ?
asciilifeform: finite human lifespan...
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ?
asciilifeform peeks at autorouter window mournfully
asciilifeform: thousands.
asciilifeform: but understand, it isn't enough to merely connect things
mircea_popescu: so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ?
asciilifeform: gotta obey various rules (minimal clearances between various kinds of objects; minimized path lengths; avoid vias like the plague in high-frequency signals; etc)
asciilifeform: sometimes N or more paths have to be of the same length (to 0.1 mm or so) and you end with 'meanders' (look at the bottom side of stick of sdram)
asciilifeform: on top of this, the tracks, vias, components - occupy space
asciilifeform: a via occupies space on all N layers of a board
asciilifeform: (unless it doesn't. called 'blind' via)
asciilifeform: ^ expensive
mircea_popescu: i still think this should be a solvable problem.
mircea_popescu is quite naive.
asciilifeform: in practice, it is solvable - in the sense that man applies 'muscle grease' and board gets routed. eventually.
asciilifeform: and the machine's contribution is substantial
asciilifeform: (no one but children, afaik, uses cad without autorouter entirely)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired.
mircea_popescu: no fucking way this doesn't have a good solution
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: things to do << fundamentally we're all making a mistake, of solving salesman problem on von neumann engine. instead,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you.
mircea_popescu: "like this ?
mircea_popescu: "how about this ?
mircea_popescu: "is this any good ?"
asciilifeform: (variation on the famous puzzle-joke where mathematicians were given piles of sticks to sort. they puttered around with algorithms - and then janitor comes, and simply stands the sticks up on table, picking them off longest first...)
mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness
mircea_popescu: with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz"
davout: "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard'
mircea_popescu: obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience
mircea_popescu: davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate
mircea_popescu: and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it
mircea_popescu: and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself.
mircea_popescu: but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason)
davout: everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks
mircea_popescu: and plenty are succeeding lol
davout: so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ?
mircea_popescu: i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet.
mircea_popescu: what's th problem with it ?
davout: the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable"
davout: i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable
mircea_popescu: ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive
mircea_popescu: much like you know, newspaperarticles
davout: ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes'
mircea_popescu: how would you make adonation to s.mg ?
mircea_popescu: (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too)
davout: by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass.
davout: just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now
mircea_popescu: i don't think that ever happened to date.
davout: said the virgin
mircea_popescu: moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up.
davout: howso ?
mircea_popescu: lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol.
mircea_popescu: howso you think you did make it, is more the question.
davout: what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with?
mircea_popescu: the part where that matters.
mircea_popescu: consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with.
mircea_popescu: these aren't equal length.
kakobrekla: how do you sort them?
mircea_popescu: when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00085315 = 2.9007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length
mike_c: what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length.
davout: well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet
mircea_popescu: obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street
mircea_popescu: where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even
mircea_popescu: like slovenly sluts.
davout: and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0
kakobrekla: he likes to use that word.
mircea_popescu: davout well let's do these one at a time huh ?
mircea_popescu: it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published,
mircea_popescu: and so it'll go nowhere.
mircea_popescu: and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it.
mike_c: bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case.
mircea_popescu: imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah but i prefer to make it buried in here.
mircea_popescu: gotta give fluffypony's platform a living after all.
davout: granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-)
mircea_popescu: only because you abusively equate distinct things.
fluffypony: what did I miss
mircea_popescu: the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with"
mircea_popescu: +Be
mircea_popescu: now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing,
mircea_popescu: the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day.
mike_c: davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments.
mircea_popescu: mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS
davout: the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever
mircea_popescu: davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing
mircea_popescu: this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty
mircea_popescu: "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz"
davout: hm
mircea_popescu: the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries.
davout: i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title
mircea_popescu: yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever"
mircea_popescu: these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed.
mircea_popescu: as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body.
mircea_popescu: much like if you made an alias.
mircea_popescu: that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick
mircea_popescu: but that whatever you may think your measurement shows,
mircea_popescu: the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one.
davout: yes, i got all that :-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+]
davout: let's move on to the second part
mircea_popescu: win.
davout: wait
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education.
mircea_popescu: what was the second part lessee
davout: the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg"
davout: because that would count as revenue
mircea_popescu: well then it also has to report it.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps it could report revenue nobody sent as btc
mircea_popescu: such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+]
davout: that would count as revenue
mircea_popescu: indeed.
davout: making the bet resolve to yes
mircea_popescu: right.
davout: even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss
mircea_popescu: right.
davout: so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014"
chetty: you know it is fascinating how much this convo sounds like this 'issue':http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867
mircea_popescu: davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat.
davout: win
chetty: If someone gives me a goat I will never tell
mircea_popescu: davout sure.
mike_c: goat embezzlement!
mircea_popescu: chetty lmao
davout: it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time
davout: the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: indeed.
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ is too small, I can't see older rejects
assbot: BitBet Propositions
pankkake: or you should remove the pure spam
mircea_popescu: or you could check daily.
mircea_popescu: or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval"
mike_c: isn't there an rss?
mike_c: ah, not for proposed
mircea_popescu: now that may be a good idea
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, proposed bets rss ?
pankkake: I did check yesterday
pankkake: there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe
pankkake: well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D
mircea_popescu: chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu"
mircea_popescu: since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this!
mircea_popescu: jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha
mircea_popescu: pankkake prolly rss is the best solution
pankkake: why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page
kakobrekla: pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up
pankkake: it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet
kakobrekla: this one : This bet resolves has Yes if Bitcoin-Central has a 30d BTC/EUR trading volume higher than Kraken's, at any point before 2015, as computed by http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
kakobrekla: ?
pankkake: yes
kakobrekla: reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible.
mircea_popescu: hm
pankkake: unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume
davout: kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts
kakobrekla: lel
davout: *couple of days
kakobrekla: btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again
davout: prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer
mircea_popescu: pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do.
mircea_popescu: im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments.
pankkake: yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense
pankkake: then quickly archive.is the page
mircea_popescu: (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant)
mircea_popescu: one of those subjects being thought about.
pankkake: though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming
mircea_popescu: pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit.
pankkake: no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: suppose each does 10 btc a day on average.
mircea_popescu: suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc
mircea_popescu: have you seen it coming ?
mircea_popescu: surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity
mircea_popescu: but they weren't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC
mircea_popescu: "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now.
mircea_popescu: "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing
mircea_popescu: actually well implemented etc.
Mats_cd03: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2440866
assbot: Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN
mircea_popescu: hm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems.
benkay: <decimation> yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices // my favorite of these is made my a local shop (designed in germany, though). it sits on your nervous system and listens to your heartbeat, supplying it's own 'carrier wave' when necessary to entrain the signal that nominally keeps things beating in time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
benkay: i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops.
benkay: * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet?
mircea_popescu: !down mike_c
mircea_popescu: no up/down indeed :D
mike_c: well there is that.
mircea_popescu: benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system
mircea_popescu: not going through the spine
benkay: one of the subnets.
benkay: installation was a pain
benkay: :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so this is the day of the longlog huh
benkay: for me at least.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?!
mircea_popescu: or you mean, "not turned on"
benkay: BingoBoingo: 'man logger'
mircea_popescu: they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus
mircea_popescu: a sort of gui log reader
mircea_popescu: or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D
benkay: logging is hard
benkay: users don't care
benkay: give everyone a touchscreen
mircea_popescu: since now im looking into logs,
mircea_popescu: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth1 OUT= SRC= DST= LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=242 ID=65083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=46252
mircea_popescu: ppls haxxing off 443 now ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: might be heartbleed probes
dignork: mircea_popescu: nop, sorry, it's SPT
Mats_cd03: http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2014/05/alibaba-china-story-with-profitable.html
assbot: Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending?
davout: root
davout: fail
dignork: davout: might be just weird NAT router
mircea_popescu: davout hm ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while.
mircea_popescu: someone'll prolly write a blockbuster in a little
davout: nvm, wrong window
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC
kakobrekla: it was his username and password, root and fail.
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable.
davout: kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too
kakobrekla: :)
Mats_cd03: i take credit for good links in this channel
mircea_popescu: i once broke into a network with the root-leaf combo
kakobrekla: http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-06-10-dlakava-dlan-junijski-uritoff-28170.jpg
kakobrekla: now i take credit.
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't make wicca chicks sysadmins
Mats_cd03: ur dirty
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link.
davout: such nsfw
kakobrekla: where dafuq do you work
mircea_popescu: yogurt factory.
benkay: !up blackwhite
kakobrekla: ah, they buy milk from us?
mircea_popescu: not from us, from usagi.
thestringpuller: can't have cookies without milk
fluffypony: lulz
mircea_popescu: !up mjr_
mircea_popescu: !up TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: how's diff betting coming along
TheNewDeal: it's gonna be close
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
TheNewDeal: we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy
mircea_popescu: fun huh
TheNewDeal: meh
TheNewDeal: more interested in the opec production news of the morn
Mats_cd03: thats not good news
TheNewDeal: what is?
mircea_popescu: russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape.
TheNewDeal: west has lucked out with oil prospects of late
TheNewDeal: not sure how long it will help though
Mats_cd03: diff bet and opec news
TheNewDeal: both, I know
mircea_popescu: problem is
mircea_popescu: youy never know if the west is lying or not
TheNewDeal: I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D
Mats_cd03: iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate
Mats_cd03: by the end of this year
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves.
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7250864#msg7250864
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
fluffypony: "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he."
fluffypony: lol!
fluffypony: I love forum catch-up days
Mats_cd03: losing mosul to militants is a death blow
mircea_popescu: i love olives
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made
TheNewDeal: be back
mircea_popescu: especially through being the last.
pankkake: the USAgi?
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: hah hah
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/expedia-will-accept-bitcoin-hotel-bookings/
assbot: Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings
mircea_popescu: funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq.
mircea_popescu: so far, check.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security
Mats_cd03: i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house
Mats_cd03: probably not
mircea_popescu: stomach they have
mircea_popescu: numbers they have not.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq,
mircea_popescu: and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again.
mircea_popescu: proll best start dealing with venezuela.
TheNewDeal: mexico and canada as well
mircea_popescu: canada is a given, 52nd state, after uk
mircea_popescu: mexico looks iffy tho
chetty: its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona
TheNewDeal: mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia
mircea_popescu: saudi arabia is in no way on the list.
TheNewDeal: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm
assbot: U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports
mircea_popescu: it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his.
mircea_popescu: taking him to all the good fleecing spots.
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade.
TheNewDeal: regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total
mircea_popescu: also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports
mircea_popescu: much in the manner of england colonising china
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC
mircea_popescu: it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years.
TheNewDeal: there is a booming mexican population within the us
mircea_popescu: sure
mircea_popescu: colonisation usually works that way.
TheNewDeal: except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward
mircea_popescu: we've had flight for a centuryby now
TheNewDeal: I'm just saying it happened in mexico too
TheNewDeal: knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through
mircea_popescu: yeah.
TheNewDeal: speaking of viruses and disease
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now
mircea_popescu: "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad
TheNewDeal: what is Isis?
mircea_popescu: the syrian expeditionary army in iraq
TheNewDeal: Islamic State Isomething Ssomething?
mircea_popescu: Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria"
mircea_popescu: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/10/1402409110353/Iraqis-fleeing-Mosul-011.jpg << People fleeing the violence queue at a checkpoint near Mosul.
mircea_popescu: This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything
mircea_popescu: the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints"
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight"
Mats_cd03: well yeah
mircea_popescu: what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why"
benkay: <mircea_popescu> the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee?
mircea_popescu: but i mean look at tyhe picture
mircea_popescu: cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl.
benkay: isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions?
benkay: !up cipi
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment.
benkay: ;;gettrust cipi
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user cipi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=cipi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cipi | Rated since: never
benkay: what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment?
mircea_popescu: benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap.
mircea_popescu: benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore.
mircea_popescu: german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void"
Mats_cd03: heh
thestringpuller: havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs
kakobrekla: !up CiPi
mircea_popescu: "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes.
Mats_cd03: when there's blood on the streets...
Mats_cd03: steal a tv
mircea_popescu: you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores.
thestringpuller: it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D
benkay: !up samson_
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying
fluffypony: I eventually just blacklisted their domain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
fluffypony: so now I don't get any email from them
pankkake: you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago
mircea_popescu: but think ofall the opportunities!
Apocalyptic: opportunities!!1!
mircea_popescu: opporturdities
pankkake: opportnudetities
pankkake: no, that's on trilema
mircea_popescu: this almost sounds like an improvement
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc801fdf4033715a186c389bdc2b1fd/tumblr_n5ov5g3MW31r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: o boy i gotcher nao.
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/06eb0d0ea9f889594956100fbfe37bdd/tumblr_n5ov4cgTN81r4g61uo1_400.jpg
pankkake: give her something to eat, poor girl
pankkake: ew
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/562a57e24c1f363fa54e8d256cf08218/tumblr_n5ov3jzavH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/98d97ff00e69651207f7f7265392ff0b/tumblr_n5ouxvMXqm1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
Duffer1: :(
mircea_popescu: and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/44c5cb790e9a599d6f3d87c6dafd4181/tumblr_n03226ov601r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/14e277ab71c17d39726de474524f808c/tumblr_mpa2frkYet1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
benkay: of ffs
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/a4795fff1483b83f61581ce15813a6f4/tumblr_mocdml62xy1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
kakobrekla: spam
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72x46xj9l1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
benkay: !down mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that even
mircea_popescu: like chest flap
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lh931Iqg1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ns6XJBW1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gewxiBem1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
Mats_cd03: fuck
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpif2hFC51r4g61uo1_400.jpg
Mats_cd03: why
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpid63QVC1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: i sold out to the usg!
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqmu7JZ1a1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
benkay: stahp
kakobrekla sets mode +m #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2nmzazVH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg
mircea_popescu: that should be enough for a day huh ?
mircea_popescu: com back tomorrow, same time !!1
pankkake: didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time
mircea_popescu: well the'll be in the log
mircea_popescu: waiting for you
mircea_popescu: being ugly and waiting. waiting and being ulgy.
benkay: makes one miss ozbot.
mircea_popescu: decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ?
jurov: if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished
pankkake: I wish I knew how ozbot found the images
mircea_popescu: pankkake just went through some selected tumblrs
pankkake: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/09391f1561178e3112f44516be6dbe4b/tumblr_n6pbmpw0PE1s9dnijo1_1280.jpg on the homepage, what a horrible pic
mircea_popescu: whats with all the black people ?
mircea_popescu: is obama racist or something ?
pankkake: my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him"
TheNewDeal: while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo
TheNewDeal: the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally
pankkake: wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it?
pankkake: anyway, the classic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.html
assbot: Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman
TheNewDeal: actually, looks like it was before my time. http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/uwmadison.asp
TheNewDeal: pankkake niiice
pankkake: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/3c67ec86122253f5d2eb70757b91d789/tumblr_n5ix72EeKc1rrq7ino1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks!
mircea_popescu: dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar.
mircea_popescu: it's the muslims that are the pirates.
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/v3TgQCo
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TheNewDeal: updating the diff change estimate to 6.8%
mircea_popescu: why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me
mircea_popescu: roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist
TheNewDeal: whats the sham betsite?
mircea_popescu: !up mgio
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot mgio
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mgio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mgio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgio | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders
mircea_popescu: they change about quarterly
mircea_popescu: the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is <Del>glbse<del>btct<del>bitcoin whatever<del>etc"
TheNewDeal: they the results of the proposition spam?
mircea_popescu: "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is <del>etc"
mircea_popescu: i have no idea
mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass
mircea_popescu: same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself.
joesmoe: ahhh
joesmoe: i'm suprised i'm not
joesmoe: i've done a few transactions on otc a while back
mircea_popescu: well, look at l1, talk to the people there.
mgio: i see
mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
mgio: thanks for the help
mircea_popescu: ;;seen Ukyo
gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC
mgio: not a good sign, oh well
Apocalyptic: he's here right now
joesmoe: lol
TheNewDeal: weird
mircea_popescu: mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ?
joesmoe: mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down
mgio: ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is
mgio: I'm probably more patient than I should be
mircea_popescu: well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway.
mike_c: what's the other option?
mircea_popescu: beat you.
benkay: the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot.
mgio: legal options, of course
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4?
benkay: ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak?
mike_c: yes
mike_c: wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have.
mgio: he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward
mircea_popescu: <mgio> legal options, of course << that didn't mwean anything.
mgio: only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy
mgio: in other words, sue him for the btc owed
mircea_popescu: mike_c what are you judging it for ?
benkay: !up AncientAliensBTC
mircea_popescu: !up AncientAliensBTC
benkay: oh this will be good
mircea_popescu: !sideways benkay
benkay: my btc come from aliens
TheNewDeal: ooooh goat's milk - so milky
benkay: i have an alien miner
benkay: in a pyramid
Apocalyptic: <benkay> oh this will be good <<
AncientAliensBTC: SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good.
TheNewDeal: surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien.
benkay: yeah totally
benkay: satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens
chetty: time traveler
benkay: its the only sensible option
benkay: nono der paradoxen
benkay: aliens makes sense tho
mike_c: mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic.
Apocalyptic: AncientAliensBTC, hope you are Giorgio
benkay: <AncientAliensBTC> SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it
mircea_popescu: mike_c ok, but dollars in what sense ?
mircea_popescu: it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so
mircea_popescu: functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2}
AncientAliensBTC: More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump.
mircea_popescu: you seen mike_c article ?
AncientAliensBTC: Nope
TheNewDeal: Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487
assbot: Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: ;;google btcalpha betting bitbet
gribble: Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/>; Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.: <http://www.btcalpha.com/>; When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha: <http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/>
mircea_popescu: it's a good site generally.
AncientAliensBTC: poured through trilema and btc alpha already :)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet.
mike_c: i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise.
Apocalyptic: "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ?
mircea_popescu: the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base.
mircea_popescu: m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil
mike_c: anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic?
Apocalyptic: mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ?
mike_c: Apocalyptic: i am trying to :)
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s
mircea_popescu: on thetopic*
mike_c: AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well.
mircea_popescu: !up dexX7
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot dexX7
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dexX7: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
dexX7: thanks
dexX7: i think i can up myself
mircea_popescu: aha yeah you can.
mircea_popescu: whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down.
mircea_popescu: bitbet mods suck
pankkake: agreed
AncientAliensBTC: How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side?
pankkake: and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong
kakobrekla: AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think
TheNewDeal: it's easy enough to calculate
TheNewDeal: ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what was the bet?
pankkake: fluffypony: http://bitbet.us/propositions/
assbot: BitBet Propositions
TheNewDeal: top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong << no its not. i always admit it when i'm wrong, it's just im not wrong that often
fluffypony: heh
TheNewDeal: would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets
TheNewDeal: or are they quite rare?
mircea_popescu: well they're private.
kakobrekla: actually they are public.
TheNewDeal: how so?
TheNewDeal: you can see it, but need a password to bet?
mircea_popescu: quantum
kakobrekla: cause transparency.
mike_c: have their been any?
TheNewDeal: not concerned as much with the why
mircea_popescu: banany
kakobrekla: correct TheNewDeal
mike_c: *there
mircea_popescu: are
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HF6ZMY.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 12
mircea_popescu: bah
kakobrekla: mike_c yes, refused.
TheNewDeal: could I bet both sides at the beginning as well?
kakobrekla: no
TheNewDeal: what!
kakobrekla: im trying to save on the btc addresses!
kakobrekla: you know they are finite, right.
TheNewDeal: yes
mircea_popescu: no they're not
TheNewDeal: can't you reuse?
kakobrekla: depends
benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // waaaaaaaaaaaaat is this
assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
TheNewDeal: I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same
kakobrekla: you can have it either way
TheNewDeal: but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people?
kakobrekla: you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass
TheNewDeal: ahhh
TheNewDeal: same difference
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: !up alex_c
mircea_popescu: anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?
TheNewDeal: perhaps. cooked in oven?
TheNewDeal: I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills
mircea_popescu: nah silverstone half-wok
TheNewDeal: sure
dignork: benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack.
assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/
Mats_cd03: fucking ssl
mircea_popescu: "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat."
mircea_popescu: herp.
benkay: snake oil?
asciilifeform: ninjaspamz0r is back!? lol
dignork: mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system
mircea_popescu: the latter.
mircea_popescu: which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously
pankkake: corporate CA is the usual trick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: can you even restrict CAs to tlds?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?// do tell
mircea_popescu: aite i'll photo document soonish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc
assbot: Amateur football at its best - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
fluffypony: something I said?
fluffypony: :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
davout: pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat?
pankkake: you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany
TheNewDeal: when did mpif start? was it april?
TheNewDeal: looks may
mike_c: started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: o.o
mircea_popescu: so go back to 10.04
pankkake: shift+pageup?
pankkake: no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd?
mircea_popescu: does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dmesg | less
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-wins-best-virtual-currency-startup-award-europas/
assbot: Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas
BingoBoingo: I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now
mike_c: imagine if they had three cans
mircea_popescu: what's eruopas ?
kakobrekla: jupiters moon?
mircea_popescu: i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities.
TheNewDeal: yes the network is quite variable over short term
davout: pankkake: ic
davout: mircea_popescu: lol
TheNewDeal: bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality...
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/storm-damage-greatly-improves-name-of-tennessee-car-was-1589411382/+Tom_Ley
assbot: Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash
TheNewDeal: April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools
TheNewDeal: I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines
TheNewDeal: plus I'm hoping for yes
kakobrekla: <mike_c> imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff
TheNewDeal: we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original
BingoBoingo: It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash
jurov: ass time is good time
mike_c: srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative.
jurov: BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive?
BingoBoingo: Slowly, hopefully it will take another century.
jurov: http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy6.jpg it will end up like this
mike_c: kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard.
kakobrekla: :)
fluffypony: jurov: what's the problem with that?
fluffypony: I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die
fluffypony: rich and full of body
jurov: http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy23.jpg imma use this for coinbr maintenance page
jurov: or rather 500 errors
jurov: !up belcher
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The monkeyfish would make a great error message.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085836 = 5.751 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: http://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/poll-what-name-would-be-best/29 vote for the last :D
assbot: Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-]
jurov: they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1z5hnyKfBg
assbot: This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5664 @ 0.00085432 = 4.8389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraqi-city-tikrit-falls-isil-fighters-2014611135333576799.html
assbot: Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Mats_cd03: opec should reconsider this morning's news
mike_c: bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad
BingoBoingo: Oh, a .net .split
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/expresscoin-launches-become-coinbase-unbanked/
assbot: Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied?
TheNewDeal: oooh dogecoin as well
TheNewDeal: I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower.
TheNewDeal: actually thats backwards
TheNewDeal: it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade
benkay: mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets.
BingoBoingo: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer#r=hp-lst
assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
jborkl: <asciilifeform> It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped
jborkl: not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference?
Mats_cd03: some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake
benkay: top shelf old mate
jborkl: ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
gribble: Error: "tldr" is not a valid command.
jborkl: damnit what is it again?
mike_c: later tell ?
Mats_cd03: wot wot
jborkl: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jborkl: thank you mike_c
fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/11/microsoft_poised_to_take_web_server_crown_from_apache/
assbot: Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register
mircea_popescu: benkay so ?
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 20k@265 20k@264 16k@260 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
benkay: "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest."
benkay: sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment.
benkay: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: it wasn't linguistic pressure
mircea_popescu: so it was economical
mircea_popescu: there's not a third.
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: booking points over 3110" http://bitbet.us/bet/899/
benkay: gotcha.
benkay: politics or economics.
benkay: why economics over thermodynamics?
mircea_popescu: but i mean what's the difference
jborkl: I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam?
benkay: i guess its just politics :D
mircea_popescu: jborkl nah.
mircea_popescu: !up Radi777
mike_c: !t h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.23211010 / 0.24845358 / 0.26100000 (47 shares, 11.67731831 BTC), 7D: 0.19301000 / 0.26587505 / 0.32900000 (1160 shares, 308.41505284 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.29371218 / 0.50990000 (4694 shares, 1378.68495324 BTC)
Radi777: hey guys :)
mircea_popescu: ello
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 305315 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12282280955.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.4718
jborkl: I tried reading the actm thread and gave up,
Mats_cd03: brain hemorrhaging?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 47 @ 0.0245 = 1.1515 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total red cards 18 or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/900/
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins" http://bitbet.us/bet/901/
fluffypony: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warren-buffetts-30-billion-wager-on-clean-energy-is-one-of-his-safest-bets-yet
assbot: Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard
fluffypony: someone should just tell him about BitBet
jurov: is either side of that bitbet safe?
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: penalty kick success rate over 60%" http://bitbet.us/bet/902/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 94 @ 0.02392752 = 2.2492 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06999993 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03045714 = 1.066 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total USA goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/903/
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe.
[]bot: Bet created: "Blue Jays Flying High At All-Star Break" http://bitbet.us/bet/904/
mircea_popescu: we all know it's gonna lose, not much dispute.
jurov: how so?
jurov: expecting oil price to keep climbing in comparison to renewables is pretty safe assumption
[]bot: Bet created: "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/
[]bot: Bet created: "Neymar Wins Golden Ball" http://bitbet.us/bet/906/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01859916 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab.
mircea_popescu: govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future,
mircea_popescu: but won't allow you to divest either.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085853 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: from a business perspective, renewables = suicide.
jurov: fossils are heavily subsidised, either
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
mike_c: BingoBoingo, you still want to sell some no?
jurov: plus, if musk succeeds to get prices of batteries down
mircea_popescu: fossils are not subsidised, fossils are taxed
jurov: .... but dunno i know, maybe it's all just a bubble
mircea_popescu: about the same 80%
mircea_popescu: so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13
mircea_popescu: except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government
mircea_popescu: whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government.
mircea_popescu: the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty
jurov: now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one?
mircea_popescu: you mean methane ? ch4?
jurov: here only household gas is subsidised
mircea_popescu: if you mean natural gas, it's pork.
jurov: industrial usage is not
jurov: how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian
mircea_popescu: nobody cares about slovak one :)
mircea_popescu: the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10
jurov: and solar/wind is expensive to install, not to produce
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'd be amenable to selling up to half my bitcoin's stake in that bet.
jurov: the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up
mike_c: BingoBoingo: this is b39, right?
jurov: i really don't know if it's realistic, but i don't think buffett haven't done any math around it
mircea_popescu: jurov install and maintain.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Indeed it is.
mircea_popescu: jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares."
mike_c: and you are offering it at cost, yes? half for 0.5?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC.
jurov: afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils
mircea_popescu: you two are gonna write a gpg contract ?
mike_c: what fun is that. i'll take it at cost.
mircea_popescu: this is getting excited.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Sold.
mike_c: k, send addr sometime and i will send payment
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz
mike_c: ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :)
mike_c: er, shared wallet
BingoBoingo: Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: haha mkya
TheNewDeal: mkay
kakobrekla: should be an auction or smth
BingoBoingo: Well, it kind of was.
jurov: well, stockholm forecast is up to balmy 24C .. not something to fry knc datacenter
jurov: ove next week
jurov: where's asicminer housed?
BingoBoingo: Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China.
jurov: looks like it's hongkong
jurov: 33C in Sunday, otherwise less
jurov: just picked most concentrated spots
BingoBoingo: I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage.
kakobrekla: aynone took a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647457.0;topicseen
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jurov: how many asics are there?
jurov: in hillbillies'garages?
jurov: pool ddos will have much higher effect imo
BingoBoingo: Well does Slaughter actually have a datacenter?
BingoBoingo: I doubt it, but I bet he has a garage.
jurov: how many % actm has?
BingoBoingo: No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there...
jurov: he's using forum tards to generate hashrate?
BingoBoingo: I think so.
BingoBoingo: Thank you mike_c
mike_c: no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :)
jurov: mike_c rly?
mike_c: i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now.
mike_c: jurov: first best greatest
jurov: iDiff-* was introduced when? a year ago?
mike_c: nobody has made money on idiffs betting against difficulty, that's for sure.
jurov: i did
mike_c: no way. they've all been capped?
jurov: till tat + asics came around
BingoBoingo: lol
jurov: to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price
TheNewDeal: actually I made money betting no for april http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ and may http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April :: 9.83 B (5%) on Yes, 180.55 B (95%) on No | closed 2 months 3 weeks ago
assbot: BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? :: 6.44 B (8%) on Yes, 72.03 B (92%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago
mike_c: fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest.
jurov: on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing?
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021649 BTC (Total: 433.00 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: 1K4Fs has virtually 60% of the no
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's mircea_popescu
TheNewDeal: indeed
BingoBoingo: It helps to know the other bettors
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 11 minutes and 24 seconds
mircea_popescu: <jurov> on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky
TheNewDeal: too frisky?!
BingoBoingo: Altcoin, Less Risky than Idiff
TheNewDeal: Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XARHGT.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
mircea_popescu: altcoin is pretty much risk free.
TheNewDeal: on my screen, it shows my message before
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites
BingoBoingo: ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased
gribble: Error: 'screen' is not a valid integer.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
kakobrekla: altcoin can only lose 200 satoshi.
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 250 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
kakobrekla: +-
mike_c: 57 down, 143 to go
BingoBoingo: I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while.
kakobrekla: how much is doge
mike_c: not with this nethash
mike_c: it's at like 6 th/s
mircea_popescu: doge is what, 50 by now ?
BingoBoingo: %diff
kakobrekla: which?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 502280.32 in 1204 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -29.79
mike_c: kakobrekla: atc.
kakobrekla: and dropping
mike_c: not exactly
kakobrekla: just approximatley?
mike_c: nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.
BingoBoingo: Doge is about 68 satoshis
mike_c: that lasted a bit
mike_c: and now it's at 6 th/s
kakobrekla: O_o
kakobrekla: someone hopping the diff?
Apocalyptic: yeah unbalanced rent some hashpower
mike_c: two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.
Apocalyptic: to avoid these hoppers
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and dropping << nah was -80% a coupla days ago
kakobrekla: so its dropping less :p
mike_c: well diff is :) but nethash isn't
kakobrekla: yeah nethash is just being hopped
mike_c: yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.
kakobrekla: the way of the road.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0233 = 0.233 BTC [-]
benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 65 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 944 megadoge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01902 = 0.1712 BTC [+]