bitcoinquestions: as I was trying to ask early - why do you not like the change to increase the block size?
mircea_popescu: you said that you read my articles, which is nice, but it'd be a lot better if instead of saying you did you showed me you did, by asking meaningful rather than meaninglessly general questions.
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mircea_popescu: "XII. The current 1Mb limit is arbitrary. We want to change it. Please ignore the fact that the discussion is about whether to change or not to change, and please ignore that the onus is on whoever proposes change to justify it. Instead, buy into our pretense that the discussion is about "which arbitrary value". Because we're idiots, and so should be you!"
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Okay of course the proponents of the change are the ones who must justify it. But the justification is pretty simple, with a larger block size the network can support more transactions per second. This allows more transactions to be onchain instead of through trusted identities.
mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there are two avenues to pay for it. one is, to pay for it in bitcoin. via paying for txn.
mircea_popescu: another one is, to pay for it in fiat, via paying for disk space.
mircea_popescu: these are, obviously, both going to be employed, in some combination, because the thing is going to grow too huge to allow exclusivity
mircea_popescu: unrelated to all of this, a usg mole is proposing to change bitcoin into something unsustainable.
mircea_popescu: this is completely differet a matter, and it is not proper to mix it together in the consideration of an actual problem. it is not an actual problem.
mircea_popescu: to understand exactly the situation, you have camles and donkeys, and have to carry a billion tons of rubble.
mircea_popescu: it is one idea to discuss how to load the donkeyus and the camels respectively, to best do this.
mircea_popescu: it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river.
mircea_popescu: both discuss camels and donkeys. both ARE NOT discussions of how to carry your rubble.
mircea_popescu: so : a) gavin is in no way involved in bitcoin development ; b) gavin's insanities have nothing to do with bitcoin's problems, and in no case are they solutions. as you'd expect of someone who has nothing to do with it in the first place.
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Do you have proof that Gavin and some USG mole is trying to implement some attack on bitcoin? What has made you come to this conclusion?
mircea_popescu: what has made me come to this conclusion is neither here nor there. i am not proposing anything to you. i have made my own determinations, and if you inquire i tell you the reasons. that's how far that goes.
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Ah okay I reread and understand a little better I believe. But why do you assume you need to pay for more disk space in fiat?
mircea_popescu: yes, well... are you one of those who imagines bitpay "paid in bitcoin" for whatever sponsorship ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49824 @ 0.00040615 = 20.236 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: point remains : if the expansion is paid in bitcoin, whosoever wants to participate has to SELL fiast assets and buy bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: if on the other hand expansion is paid in "hard drives" chances are whosoevere wants to participate has to SELL bitcoin to buy fiat assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13426 @ 0.00041313 = 5.5467 BTC [+]
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Ah I see. Interesting. That is definitely the case as of today. That being said, let's say I create a company that is able to provide hard drive space for cheaper, but I only accepted payment in BTC. If this company existed would your opinion change?
mircea_popescu: how would this work ? you mean you manufacture the hard drives in house ?
mircea_popescu: exactly schmexactly. there's a difference between the idle imagination of youth and the knowledge of men. for instance : i know but you don't know that the vast majority of hard drives are produced in the same few acres of asian shore.
mircea_popescu: and that at one point, when they had a flood, hard drive prices exploded on the market by a factor of 3
mircea_popescu: and that if i or anyone else decides to bomb that place that's that for new hard drives for a decade or more.
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright fair enough, I was just proposing a hypothetical to make sure I understood your position.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5000 @ 0.00025459 = 1.273 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: how are you to make them ? where do you buy your raw materials for bitcoin ? where do you hire workers and pay them in bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: forget that part and think of bandwidth. romania does not have this problem, but the us does. bandwidth accessibility is actually going down, not up, and it looks like it may go away entirely.
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: yeah man everyday I feel more and more that I need to get out of the US
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Another question I have for you. Are you happier when the BTC price goes up or when it goes down?
bitcoinquestions: I would do anything to be able to drive the price down because I'm collecting coins, but I was wondering whether or not there's a point where you are happy with your assets in terms of BTC and then just want to increase the value of the coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00039723 = 25.4029 BTC [-]
trinque: bitcoinquestions: having loved ones is a good reason to get out of the US.
bitcoinquestions: trinque: good point haha. Is this channel all in Romania? How is it there?
trinque: no, I live in the US; can't speak for the others
BingoBoingo: bitcoinquestions: This channel has rather good global coverage. Even Africa is included in regular participants. Asian participation is a bit lacking though.
trinque: I will say that listening to those familiar with the soviet collapse has been enlightening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00039714 = 16.3026 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: anyone reading the hong kong 400m bitcoin loss and wondering why it's not on qntra, difficult to ascertain the facts on this one but it would appear hong kong media are clueless.. speaks to qntra's need for a chinese correspondent
trinque: cazalla: interesting, I expected another coin theft but this looks like typical madoff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.101 = 1.717 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: trinque: Questions go so far as to whether the thing even existed/happened
BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinquestions Depends on your definitions of everyone and code
bitcoinquestions: by code I mean knows a little bit of python and by everyone I mean 75%+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92574 @ 0.00041313 = 38.2451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25789 @ 0.00041503 = 10.7032 BTC [+]
jurov: yeah, i guess 75% of me codes
BingoBoingo: Question for the foundation: When futzing with bitcoin sources to build more recent phoundation version, changing the constant in alert.cpp to garbage will keep a node so built from recognizing and/or passing a Gavin alert. Yes or no?
jurov: BingoBoingo: depends on the patch
jurov: and i don't see any alert.cpp on 0.5.3
BingoBoingo: jurov: I'm fucking around on 0.8.6 two lines in alert.cpp in that version possess public keys for verifying "Upgrade Alerts". My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick dirty way to effectively neuter the alert system in the build. Figure each time I build change the garbage subbing for pubkeys.
jurov: i.e. your node would think others misbehave by sending invalid alerts
jurov: better remove whole branch completely
BingoBoingo: mod6: Saw that. I'm building a different phoundation version for personal use.
mod6: it seems that alerts were probably moved out to their own file in later versions.
mod6: re: alerts.cpp etc.
mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance, you should do a new submission to the list for the alert & win32 patches. thx in advance.
mod6: BingoBoingo: fwiw it looks like alerts.[h/cpp] appear in v0.7.0
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick << not that dirty, either.
mircea_popescu: everyone can "do a little coding' just like any man could ride a horse in 1800.
thestringpuller: i keep getting into arguments about non-people (the ones who would put arm in wood chipper)
thestringpuller: "OMG the blocksize limit is too small" last 6 blocks: 108k 26k 112k 97k 553k and 602k
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: I did a lot more critical thinking about the blocksize limit and holy shit I feel so dumb for ever thinking Gavin's proposal was a good idea.
bitcoinquestions: And there's no way Gavin doesn't know exactly what he's doing, right? Like is it possible he convinced himself that it was a good idea?
bitcoinquestions: It's perfectly tricky though - it does at first seem like a good idea.
bitcoinquestions: It seems like something he could convince the masses to upgrade to, but I'm assuming the miners know better than to let that happen, correct?
mircea_popescu: it's always possible one convinces himself anything's a good idea.
bitcoinquestions: anyone here wanna play bitcoin bounce? It's a simple game I made up to build up trust. Person A sends person B .5 BTC then person B ends the game by either running with the money or returning .5 BTC. Person B can continue the game by sending Person A 1 BTC back. Rinse and repeat.
mircea_popescu: The tale is told, too, of a certain woman who performed an aeolian crepitation at a dinner attended by the witty Monsignieur Dupanloup, Bishop of Orleans, and that when, to cover up her lapse, she began to scrape her feet upon the floor, and to make similar noises, the Bishop said, "Do not trouble to find a rhyme, Madam!"
napedia: I'm guessing you're talking about Daniel. The answer is that there is an internal split at SNI regarding the block size. Daniel is on the other side of Michael and Pierre.
napedia: I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive.
danielpbarron: i don't think the issue is limited to SNI; surely you have an opinion on the matter
ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: i killed the alert thing with own hands
BingoBoingo: I run a node on 0.8.6 as a charity for the SPV wallet using freeloaders
ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: snip same way, or change the key verif. conditional to 0
BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Mechanism was actually moved sometime between 0.5.3 and 0.8.6
BingoBoingo: Ended up changine pubkey and commenting the alert trigger out of main.cpp
mircea_popescu: "We do not know what he would have said–it is just possible that the unprocurable pamphlet, 1601, would supply a clue but we may guess that it would have wrecked his reputation and reduced his income to reasonable proportions."
ascii_modem: mentioned at least half a dozen 'couldn't gets'
ascii_modem: gas distribution more reliable than electric... <<< no one has yet devised a way of attaching gas pipes to poles above ground. hence - reliable.
ascii_modem: not in residential streets - at least in usa
ascii_modem: likewise, gas does not short-circuit (nearly constant grid load)
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem do you remember that walk when those gypsy girls accosted you ?
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ascii_modem: and now that it was mentioned, can those gurlz smell benjies and at what range...?
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.danielkrawisz.-2:9143f035179316633074c1e4c4ce2798d56d610b61fc201aa50d947c24d8451e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielkrawisz from 1 to -2 with note: thinks it is likely that larger blocks would be adopted
danielpbarron: i had a weird feeling about him leading up to this
mircea_popescu: well at the very least express yourself better. i dunno anyone who'd think much of thought crime.
danielpbarron: his argument is that larger blocks mean higher price per BTC
mircea_popescu: 'the devil himself knoweth not the mind of men' as the expression goes.
ascii_modem: i'm still at a loss re: who hoped to achieve what, exactly, by sending in the latest ninjaspamz3r
danielpbarron: "The general rule about Bitcoin upgrades, therefore, is that upgrades which increase Bitcoin's value will be adopted and those which do not will not. Therefore, Bitcoin is not likely to be upgraded in ways which make it easier to regulate because that would decrease the value of the coins. Bitcoin might be upgraded in ways that make it more anonymous because a more anonymous coin would likely be more valuable. An upgrade whi
mircea_popescu: this is such idiocy the likes of which was never seen.
ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell danielkrawisz what are you, the second coming of pangloss ?
mircea_popescu: ""It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord ha
mircea_popescu: s a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best.""
danielpbarron: also from that article: "The nodes that really matter are the ones that provide valuable services. It doesn't matter if you upgrade. What matters is if Coinbase, BitStamp, and Blockchain.info upgrade."
ben_vulpes: "whatever is is right" has yet to fall
ascii_modem: re: stooge squad: simple hypothesis is that the toolkit being used on us was made for others. but - for whom?
mircea_popescu: !rate danielkrawisz -1 go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.danielkrawisz.-1:0e9ea38f1062dcfd1454f73db6e35003e335253868749cfbf6e95385c3f03dec
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mircea_popescu: right. perfectly fine as it is, but what is more tempting than to mess with an accomplished writer's words ?
mircea_popescu: i think incidentally, that this is the fundamental impulse driving most bowdlerization.
mircea_popescu: it is not the "moral" considerations that drive it. the moral considerations are merely the pretext under which the inept hand takes refuge.
mircea_popescu: derp wants to rewrite X. but how to do it safely ? AH! I KNOW....
ascii_modem: not only bowdlerizations but gavinizations
mircea_popescu: it does make perfect sense in its devilish fatlogic system. lennart wants to matter, yes ? but how to do it safely ? AT JOB!
mircea_popescu: most starlets with youth fading, most inept actresses, most voiceless singers take refuge in scandal, because hey, "being controversial" is a good excuse to never consider if you're in fact any good.
mircea_popescu: rarely has it been the case that a man did a more thorough job of crushing himself before my eyes.
mircea_popescu: and i come from a time and place where they had delatiune
mircea_popescu: well the word means false police report for pay. but generally, the sort of late warsaw pact atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: "oh, your wife ? yeah she was writing weekly notes since 1972"
mircea_popescu: basically, what the various "law enforcement officers" do in court these days.
ascii_modem: old witch who writes denunciation every day, etc
mircea_popescu: attracts a particularly felonious type, too. there's this guy, who claimed he never worked with the secret police, then they found fiddy pounds worth of notes, at which point he declared that it was the patriotic duty of everyone to help the secret police!
mircea_popescu: well if it was, then wh ythe fuck did you spend five years denying it.
ascii_modem: eventually they always turn up, those fiddypounds'o'notes
ascii_modem: i would like the writers to remember this.
mircea_popescu: how was that line, "self serving minds have little trouble overcoming memory" ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 342664 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44550240491.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.94073
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 20:41:39; TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00025399 / 0.00025459 / 0.00026 (5000 shares, 1.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00018731 / 0.00022253 / 0.00026 (28038 shares, 6.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)
mircea_popescu: seems pretty obvious who's gonna crush everyone. also seems everyone knows it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00039703 = 39.9412 BTC [-]
cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
☟︎ cazalla: and the missus was out so there i stood holding him with one hand to stop him grabbing it and unsure how to clean the mess up with the one remaining hand (got in the shower in the end)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8012 @ 0.00082934 = 6.6447 BTC [+] {12}
thestringpuller: cazalla: ugh young children. they scare me. i think as I get older I am developing child-phobia.
cazalla: thestringpuller, some days i regret it, some days not, but i could only stand and laugh at this one today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00039667 = 8.9647 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell PeterL scoopbot is always down when I post new article :P
cazalla: thestringpuller, "results in a complete loss of any pm’s I may have had open." <<< now it all makes sense!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20164 @ 0.00039644 = 7.9938 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2233 @ 0.00084547 = 1.8879 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116631 @ 0.00039456 = 46.0179 BTC [-]
davout: does anyone know about MyCoin ?
davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful
punkman: davout, what kind of hyip would publish actual numbers
cazalla: davout, i think it's a bitcoin company in name only, fiat ponzi otherwise but there is so much conflicting info out there that qntra didn't publish anything as of yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00039456 = 15.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00039699 = 5.1609 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23605 @ 0.00039699 = 9.3709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55303 @ 0.00039456 = 21.8204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18871 @ 0.00039456 = 7.4457 BTC [-]
Naphex: nothing much, working a lot lately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49329 @ 0.00039398 = 19.4346 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: i just spit out a mouthful of coffee :D "mircea_popescu:it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river"
Naphex: fluffypony: well its going to be something really fun :)
Naphex: and a bitcoin exclusive. i'll keep it down low a bit until i get closer to launch date :D
Naphex: fluffypony: its porn though :D
fluffypony: well that is quite a change from your last work :-P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039946 = 9.2675 BTC [+]
nubbins`: it's the dirtiest coin i have, figured i'd pawn it off and replace with a nicer specimen
nubbins`: incidentally, i have a 1.125oz Canadian numismatic piece from 2013 that I priced the other day... has increased in value by 50% since last summer o.O
nubbins`: thestringpuller not precisely, no.
nubbins`: i'm going to buy another with "my money"
nubbins`: whether this is the same money i receive from the sale of this coin is, i believe, inconsequential
thestringpuller: not incredibly inclined to sell it off for sentimental reasons etc
mircea_popescu thinks this entire "numismatics as an investment" thing is not unlike the "my balcony garden as a tomato farm" thing, but hey.
nubbins`: my first bitcoin ever purchased was smoked
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i really just like shiny things
nubbins`: but once you get an eye for it, you're better able to identify what people will desire in the future
nubbins`: trying to decide if "magnubs" or "nubpie" is the more appropriate portmanteau
nubbins`: generally numismatics are a poor way to invest money
nubbins`: casascius market is full of fucking morons though
mircea_popescu: i'd expect it's exactly as full of morons as bitcoin generally, just, you have better benchmarks in that corner.
nubbins`: je voudrais quelque choses, what they are, no one knows!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you might be onto something
nubbins`: remember the time i sold two 0.5-btc casascius coins for 27 btc? o.O
nubbins`: sadly, i don't think this will be replicated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00039946 = 4.474 BTC [+]
assbot: Armed Forces applicant cites discrimination over anxiety diagnosis - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... (
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mircea_popescu: derp wants someone to pay for his surgery because one month's worth of government dole is too much for him ?
nubbins`: kid's a natural soldier, just look at him
nubbins`: i thought he just wanted someone to pay $500 for him to change his middle name
nubbins`: also, who the fuck hates the name "jonathan" so much that they wanna change it? what a loser
nubbins`: ;;google jonathan richman since she started to ride
nubbins`: “I just want to do some time for my country, give it some service,” Cooper, 17, told CBC News.
nubbins`: do some time? give it some service?
nubbins`: i think the kid is unsure as to whether the armed forces is a prison or a gang bang
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1974 @ 0.0007821 = 1.5439 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: leaving aside the fact that the kid faked a SINGLE panic attack TWO YEARS AGO in order to get out of an exam
nubbins`: and was put on prozac and diagnosed with a DISORDER
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00039203 = 16.9945 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "I don't think that people should have to hide the fact that they have a mental illness," Cooper said.
nubbins`: "i don't think people should have to hide the fact that they have blood-borne pathogens" says the guy with Hep C who can't donate blood
mircea_popescu: more importantly, who can't donate sperm. to women. directly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, people only should hide the fact that they have a mental ilness if they wish to get shot.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, my measure to resolve the "police violence" thing would be a) everyone with a mental issue must wear a funny hat.
nubbins`: i thought that's why cops wore funny hats.
davout: today #b-a explains the fedoras thing
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 08:48:34; cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss
mircea_popescu: davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful << yeah srsly, sounds like pure bs.
davout: 400mn loss for 3000 investors -> 133k/investor
mircea_popescu: yeah in usd. still, this is like mpoe level, i very much doubt it.
mircea_popescu: it's possible, obviously, the chinese are nazi-private, but i dun really see it.
davout: the whole thing is pure bs
davout: according to some random bitcointalk dude the chinese journalist computed the loss by multiplying fake bitcoins on the order book by the current market price
gribble: Current Blocks: 342729 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66783348140.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 50.22545
mircea_popescu: assbot: America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline << i also like ass.
mircea_popescu: mike_c like the butcher said, "i merely follow the lulzlines already present".
mike_c: hehe, yeah, that was a good one
mircea_popescu: to a large degree, it was obvious that once we move from "inflation pays for it" to "you gotta pay for it" the "consumers have come to expect" were going to throw a shitfest.
mircea_popescu: what that changes... ask them, not me, to borrow an alfism.
mike_c: it was always "you gotta pay for it". most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is.
mircea_popescu: god preserve me from heresy but! so far inflaiton has actually been beneficial for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: one could never have made a bitcoin without a block reward. this, of course, means that we now have a promise to renege on. but i'm not about to start reneging on promises.
thestringpuller makes note to look at this specific log later with popcorn in hand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. "bitcoin will continue to function as before"
mike_c: that's a big one though.
mircea_popescu: but economy is built on money and thus fungible. a bunch of small ones add up.
mircea_popescu: beheading naked kings on the vaguest whiff of approaching even small ones -> best policy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00040139 = 17.2196 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's a fact that beards grow after death. i wonder if women lubricate through a similar process.
thestringpuller: I wonder why justusravnier "wants adoption" his other blogposts seem sane...
thestringpuller: I guess people just don't like being told, "Hey you're poor, and excluded from this cool thing nao cause you are useless. Kthxbai."
davout: thestringpuller: no, some people had, buried somewhere in them, the idea that bitcoin would not only be money, but 'nice money'
thestringpuller: davout how is money ever fucking fair? one person having more resources that are finite means another person has less?!?!?
davout: thestringpuller: 'fair money' exists in the mind of redditards, don't ask me what it means
mircea_popescu: davout daughter of the wider insanity "everything new is better" married with the patently nuts "better is what i imagine it to be".
mircea_popescu: coming from people who utterly refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement... well... what's to be expected.
thestringpuller: "Because it's my fucking right to use bitcoin even though I contribute nothing to it."
davout: yeah, also low fees pl0x
davout: "sure you can use bitcoin if you want to"
thestringpuller: this is like coworker who brings team down but is never fired because government keeps them working
thestringpuller: So the redditards want to impose straight up communism on us?
mircea_popescu: So please do not send me the following types of E-mail: "commission requests -- I just do not have the time for commissions"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never saw an online comic before oglaf.
danielpbarron: even i briefly authored a web commic, although i don't think any copies of it remain anywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00039203 = 31.3036 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: by the way, if ne1 here has a fetlife account, i finally moved over, drop me a line.
danielpbarron:
http://www.atruechurch.info/masturbation.html The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will o
mircea_popescu: the entire "every sperm is sacred" thing is more reaction-catholicism than anything.
danielpbarron: catholics freely admit that they don't follow the Bible, and that some guy with a funny hat can arbitrarily change the rules as he pleases
mircea_popescu: also reaction catholicism, but more 600ish than 1800ish
ben_vulpes: right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns.
mircea_popescu: hey, technically a valid claim. all of europe exists as embezzled provinces of the roman empire.
mircea_popescu: o wait. i thought you meant the pope's (abandoned) claim of sovereignity over teh sovereigns.
davout: aaaaaand we're back to hats for nutjobs
mircea_popescu: speaking of hats for nutjobs, always remember to wear your condom!
mircea_popescu: "hey, suicide guy, you gonna kill youself ?" "yeah. life sucks." "wanna fuck first ?" "no, you freak!" "i guess ima have to wait for your body to wash ashore."
danielpbarron: in Bible terms, it's enough to "lay with" someone, or "know her," or "see her nakedness" ; not sure a condom would get in the way of those things
davout: danielpbarron: i heard gavin andresen wants to add a couple extra chapters to it, for moar adopshun
mircea_popescu: "oh, people mock us for being essentially jew torrent artists ? FINE. WRITE A CONTINUATION."
davout: christians are on gavinbible, jooz run pogobibles
danielpbarron: jews add too; they have sets of books of "oral tradition" separate from the scriptures
davout: danielpbarron: it's ok to have sidechains!
mircea_popescu: davout well the split happened after some pretty heavy duty pruning.
davout: mircea_popescu: what pruning?
mircea_popescu: and yes, on top of that there's a web of commentary stretching out approx to the roman period.
mircea_popescu: roughly about the same weight as what in europe constitutes "the humanities".
mircea_popescu: (so a bunch of idiot chicks are trying to write it, out of boring gender and race stories)
mircea_popescu: in fact, as ridiculous as mormonism is, he is an exact copy. the cultural relationship between judaism and christianity is exactly the same as between christianity and mormonism : a barely literate lout ran off with a few pages and made his own, self-important "variant",
mircea_popescu: much in the way kids used to replace the "made by" strings in the old 8086 days with a hex editor.
nubbins`: any of you remember when it was called "the thin H line"?
nubbins`: iirc the guy got outed in meatspace and had to "disappear" the old name
nubbins`: turns out he worked with kids in some capacity? heh
nubbins`: i can't recall the details, but i feel like at the time it was a sort of "english teacher overseas" thing
nubbins`: and his employers caught whiff of this necro-mastur-porn comic he did
mircea_popescu: english teacher ;likely thing for a foreigner there to do.
nubbins`: it went down for a while, came back as "sexy losers"
mircea_popescu: mebbe he actually went because he wanted to jacvk off to 12yo jap gals.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you probably would not be surprised at how common this is
nubbins`: speaking from experience, roughly half of all ESL teachers are "strange"
nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star
nubbins`: technically 90s-present depending on your tolerance for working illegally
mircea_popescu: fwiw, this particular sort of strange would definitely benefit from support more than OUTRAGE OMG!!1
mircea_popescu: on one hand, it does exactly nothing to anyone, including the kids in question, that some weirdo jacks off.
mircea_popescu: on my tenuous grasp of insanity, it'd seem that it's an entirely vacuous thing, which takes the shape you impose upon it. if you insist it's dangerous... it will probably grow some dangerous appendages. if you treat it as benign, it will basically be benign.
nubbins`: it's only okay to have /some/ mental illnesses
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more alienating than the bizarre that obviously feeds this comic strip.
nubbins`: girl goes to porn audition, guy says "we have roles left in two films: 'beaten to death by hard cock' and 'do not talk to me, just cum on my face'"
nubbins`: later seen in change room, face glazed, asking girl covered in bruises "so what film were you in?"
cazalla: nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star <<< western kpop stars exist?
cazalla: nubbins`, not my sorta music, i'll stick to hyuna
nubbins`: ;;google crying nut circus magic wanderers
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mircea_popescu: "It's largely engineers who think about it in terms of game theory. They think that if you have unlimited blocksize, then the cost of transactions will go to zero because there will always be a competitor that is willing to include transactions even if you're charging X. They believe this will cause a race to bottom and there won't be any incentive for miners to secure the network because they can't cover costs.
mircea_popescu: o look at it, suddenly the arguments that didn't exist now exist ?
mircea_popescu: "something i heard from all the people that all read trilema but i won't mention this"
mircea_popescu: what i find comedic is the sort of schmuck that thinks he'll survive on intellectual dishonestly. here's the story : if i made it and you stole it, whatever you think about it and however you're representing it... it'll still work for me. not for you. that's the thing with culture.
mircea_popescu: five years ago romania was replete with kids who rewrote trilema articles about this and that to be like all cool and civilised and worldly and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : it's not "mostly engineers". it's 100% of all the business people actually involved with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, all this talk of "utility of bitcoin" can get fucked. it's a flimsy if doomed and in any case transparent attempt to frame the question in fiat terms.
mircea_popescu: the utility OF EVERYTHING justifies itself in bitcoin terms.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin itself is money. that means BEYOND ANY UTILITY CONSIDERATION.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what I don't get is why people are freaking out they will have to pay a lot of money to use the system?
mircea_popescu: all it has to do is make sure it's the best money. which it did. once that's done, utility is not a concern. you will work the blockchain if you have to do it by hand in dank cellars chained to the wall,
thestringpuller: How do poor people have this much energy to be this vocal about something they will not be able to control...
mircea_popescu: repackaging of ther "oh, utility of mining, all that electrictiy burned for nothing" crapolade.
mircea_popescu: the point of money is exactly this : that it may not itself be measured. there's no "utility" of money. it exclusively exists to measure everything else.
pete_dushenski: i'm generous enough to propose that the value of a free and productive man is a bitcent
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Yes, but back in the day people would just die after wasting too much energy trying to change something absolute in inevitability. (Doing rain dances during droughts instead of looking into irrigation).
thestringpuller: It's like the dinosaurs getting mad at mammals instead of the asteroid or something like that.
pete_dushenski: "Cathy Engelbert has been named chief executive of Deloitte LLP, the first woman to become CEO of one of the Big Four accounting firms in the U.S."
mircea_popescu: apparently accountancy become a pretty good business in the us, past decade.
mircea_popescu: so "twice the money" except it's probably the same value,
pete_dushenski: and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five"
pete_dushenski: seems so ? link for "big five" goes to "big four" article...
mircea_popescu: "it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?
mircea_popescu: it's only a monopoly by virtue of everyone else being retards
mircea_popescu: well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.
mircea_popescu: THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.
mircea_popescu: this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of effects. it's a matter of causes.
mircea_popescu: moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"
mircea_popescu: this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares.
mircea_popescu: why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.
pete_dushenski: and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"
mircea_popescu: but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.
mircea_popescu: and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.
mircea_popescu: no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia"
mircea_popescu: if it were "it worked for us" it'd be mre latin america and less ru.
pete_dushenski: latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.
mircea_popescu: so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then
mircea_popescu: hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.
mircea_popescu: not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey.
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 1 second ago: <PeterL> My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.
mircea_popescu: dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.
mircea_popescu: you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.
mircea_popescu: so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.
pete_dushenski: "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"
thestringpuller: i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.
thestringpuller: just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit
thestringpuller: "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier
mircea_popescu: there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like.
mircea_popescu: the only serious promise bitcoin makes is, there's more of that to come.
thestringpuller: "No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we're so right and in agreement and important and relevant!111"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's like person who struggling under water while drowning
mircea_popescu: well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics.
mircea_popescu: just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: first tehy scream and panic and eventually just take it
mircea_popescu: you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid
danielpbarron: "GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the Linux kernel team" << description of git package in gentoo, lol
BingoBoingo: www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/ << Engineering oversight mega-lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap"
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cazalla: while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit
cazalla: funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long
mircea_popescu: knew a guy that actually buried it with a tree he planted.
mircea_popescu: then when the kid was like 12, some dude drove into the tree
mircea_popescu: sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance
cazalla: i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come
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mircea_popescu: forget lasers, those things'd make some pretty kickass engines.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wire with no resistence consumes no energy right ? but electric charge moving still creates field, right ?
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, How are you today?
cjc: I would like chocolate cake -- but will instead have pizza delivered soon.
cjc: No reason for asking other than salutations.
mircea_popescu: pizza schmizza. home made (actually, slave made!) black sponge cake with bananas in a rich chocolate ganache. from scratch!
cjc: It would be nice to have been eating desert instead right now.
cjc: When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand.
cazalla: always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time
cazalla: i'm 10, playing TMNT.. why is DOJ telling me about drugs?
mircea_popescu: otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?"
cjc: eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age..
cjc: it seems the pusher is the school teacher for "behavioral meds" or the doctor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it';s the parents, the meds, the other kids in this order, my guess.
thestringpuller: Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision."
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taub: well it's 'just' amphetamine, but very similar to meth
taub: meth is just way more potent
thestringpuller: The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this.
taub: when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho
taub: not gonna eat holes into your brain
taub: now if you got an addictive personality, its a different thing
taub: i just never botherd
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assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
thestringpuller: d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me
thestringpuller: "Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?"
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid.
mircea_popescu: i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each.
thestringpuller: ^- d00d why is this argument used so much in "Business school"
thestringpuller: "OMG You shouldn't try to sell one thing for a billion bucks. YOu should sell a billion things for a dollar each! it's so much more valuable"
thestringpuller: why would you ever spend time trying to get money from poor people?
taub: darkcoin making a little run
taub: how i hate altcoins
bitcoinquestions: If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain?
bitcoinquestions: but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right?
bitcoinquestions: asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute
bitcoinquestions: i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us
mircea_popescu: this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ?
Naphex: i'd probably use it, when i'm really toned.
Naphex: too bad most delivery around where i live is crap ;o
Naphex: bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from?
mircea_popescu: Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them.
mircea_popescu: buenos aires deliveries generally take 10 minutes tho.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: same here. one hour and cold ;o