mircea_popescu: mod6> So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo. << you hear that alf ?
mircea_popescu: trinque that's the "innovation" << exactly. and inasmuch as the us tort system is insane, this is both unavoidable and in a sense useful. but this doesn't mean uber makes any sense, anymore than shaving head in women makes sense. "but she's got lice" "well in THAT case"
trinque: mircea_popescu: speaking of women, I've mused before about a service that handles all financial and bureaucratic considerations for an average american
trinque: you give it your paychecks, it makes sure your taxes are done, all that, and gives you an allowance
mircea_popescu: i imagine Pierre_Rochard 's thing is actulaly very close to that. prolly bestwork as a wrapper on it
trinque: mircea_popescu: looks interesting; this is for maintaining and publishing your books?
trinque: looks like as a business, but similar needs
mircea_popescu: i dunno, he's working on it. but basically yeah, should be a web/bitcoin interface for accounting'
Pierre_Rochard: I have a “personal finance” chart of accounts and a “service business” chart of accounts, they’re CSVs that are easy to customize
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: very cool; I think americans would pay for a managed version of this
trinque: nobody wants to do their damn taxes, or pay their own rent
trinque: they just want to be given an allowance by dad after everything's handled
trinque: I'm not sure there's enough allowance left to allow sufficient margin for the accounting service
trinque: americans are after all mostly poor
mircea_popescu: should be a very interesting world once the us is poor and east/central asia ric
Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, I’m thinking I’ll have a source code subscription for the hacker types, and a hosted treasury concierge for the lazy/busy
Pierre_Rochard: poor people don’t have money problems, they have lack of money problems
Pierre_Rochard: asians understand the value of good accounting, went to school with many of them
mod6:
http://dpaste.com/1NHSMPB.txt << patched into bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE, sig looks good, although the hash's didn't match what the filename was changed to on btc-dev ml
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mircea_popescu: mod6 iof the hashes don't match you shouldn't generall merge
mod6: i wonder if I did something wrong... jurov?
trinque: maybe relevant to your barf message
mod6: these are the commands I ran:
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, agreed. I did look it over, and is matching from website as far as I can tell. & byte count is the same.
mod6: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4007 May 5 00:19 asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
mod6: ... taking gentoo snapshot for 3rd AMI attempt.
mod6: yep, got that too... but check the sha256's of the dl'd patch files, see if they match the checksums that the ml inserted into the file name.
mod6: if not, see if they came out same as mine from my dpaste
mod6: s/files/and sig files/
danielpbarron: i'm not sure it's supposed to come out the same as the thing that gets shoved into the filename
mod6: ok gotcha. just need some clairification from jurov on that.
danielpbarron: it should match whatever hash ascii referenced in his signed email message though
mod6: i thought it /was/ supposed to be the same. but, maybe im just derp derperton tonight.
mod6: The hash referenced inthe email was for the bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE.tar.gz tarball, which is correct.
danielpbarron: the patch.sig is by ascii's key, so it shouldn't matter what it hashes to or what btc-dev says
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mod6: yeah, shoudn't being the key word there; in my mind, it certainly should match.
mod6: otherwise, why do it?
mod6: what purpose would it serve?
danielpbarron: to make it a pain in the ass to verify any of this stuff; to set the bar high so as to keep out the children
mod6: sweet, new ami complete.
mod6 builds new instance with AMI
mod6: ah sha1, see, derp derperton
mod6: mine matches just fine too. thx for digging that up.
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mod6: i'll post my build steps.
mod6: no fails 1/2 checks, kernel panic'd
trinque: did you try that rootfstype=ext4 ?
trinque: on the kernel command line
mod6: that's for the kernel config right?
mod6: i had build this kernel yesterday. i don't see anything about "ROOTSTYPE" in my config that I used... (posted above)
mod6: i guess I can rebuild again and stick that in there.
mod6: i thought that one thing said that I didn't need Grub unless i was using hvm or whatever.
mod6: i try it with that...
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livegnik: Thank you Daniel! Hi everyone.
livegnik: I'm Tim Pastoor, co-founder of Identifi. I'm just the business developer who's working on the project. Sirius is the real dev in there.
mod6: ok bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 + Orphanage Nuke is running with `nmon -f -s3` & `vmstat 1`, so we should have some good metrics when complete.
☟︎ danielpbarron: "CEO & Co-Founder of Identifi -- Collaborating on an Open Source Protocol for Sending Trust over the Internet; Advancing the Wild Wild Web into a Web of Trust."
livegnik: I didn't know in what other way to describe it in ~140 characters. Open for suggestions / feedback anytime :)
mod6: # sha512sum asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
mod6: 9d7cab14db48000ed91d12301f19341ce55e86fe919922f8a4f80f49625b881b296deb037d35ef899996e097b4f1c0ab5a035c2ced04758b9838f3924ce4ed78 asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch
mod6: it's fine, I just didn't realize that in the filename, the turdolator uses SHA1
trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: hm yeah, "this is so much better!" because it's not wearing lead shoes
mod6: I should re-iterate that I'm still waiting on a pogo to come to me...so this v0.5.3.1+OrphanageNuke test is running on AWS deb6 (amd64)
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livegnik: I've just bumped into it, thanks to danielpbarron pointing me to it, and that's how I've ended up in here :)
livegnik: It's a protocol for identity management for both humans, entities, and machines. It gives the ability to create Sybil-proof WoTs (to the extent that the least trustworthy node added, decides the strength of your security), for almost anything.
livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi:
☟︎ livegnik: asciilifeform: Mostly a whitelist. Whitelisting solves the Sybil. The thing is, whitelisting hasn't been very user-friendly up till now, without the security trade-off.
livegnik: asciilifeform: A set of attributes, identifiers. I've extensively elaborated on it in the comment on Ian's article.
livegnik: There's no whitepaper atm, so the comment in that article probably explains it best/most thus far.
livegnik: The identity to whom the whitelist belongs.
livegnik: Each identity creates it's own whitelist / WoT.
livegnik: You could put it that way, yes. But it can visualize sybil swarms by showing the few 'real IDs' linking to it.
livegnik: The people you know and trust (for whatever reason) basically, and therefore have verified.
trinque: So we're all the same -- we people are the same as smart contracts, as block chains, etc, and we should be able to make recipe that describes us. We should be able to collect all these things together and make it such that we all look the same. << wtf
trinque: this is written in a haphazard manner
trinque: aside that it just strings together analogies
☟︎ assbot: livegnik is not registered in WoT.
trinque: So we can have a "mainnet" can we also have "AliceNet" or "Mynet?" Yes, in theory we can. << this does *not* follow
trinque: insofar as you're saying will computers run and call themselves asscoin if I create an asscoinnet, sure
trinque: considering "what is bitcoin" is called for before calling it fungible with any other *net
trinque: "I mean, they're all blockchain technology."
trinque: livegnik: this "guid" you're reaching for is called a keypair
livegnik: I'll need 10 more minutes, sorry guys.
mod6: trinque: where can I add "rootfstype=ext3" or "rootfstype=ext4" to the list of boot params? I don't see anything thing like that in the kernel config -- except where I've already enabled EXT4 and EXT3
mod6: well, i guess I didn't have EXT3 enabled, just: "Use ext4 for ext2/ext3 file systems" under "Filesystems"
mod6: (in `make menuconfig`)
livegnik: I'm back. Sorry for the interruption.
livegnik: asciilifeform: my/Ian's/both our text pain to read?
livegnik: danielpbarron: I like Bitcoin-OTC, even though I haven't used it myself. I do believe that I grasp the concept itself though.
trinque: livegnik: reading that I'm not clear on what "it" is
trinque: mod6: that parameter is one provided to the kernel at boot
danielpbarron: "Martti Malmi is a former computer science student from Helsinki University of Technology who nowadays works as a software developer. He is well-known for being the first person to join Satoshi Nakamoto in the development of Bitcoin."
mod6: trinque: from grub??
livegnik: danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score.
☟︎ trinque: mod6: yeah from whatever the bootloader is; there's also a way to build command line (meaning kernel command line) parameters into the kernel itself
danielpbarron: the general score can be ignored for the most part (in the OTC / assbot WoT)
trinque: livegnik: ah I'm looking at the website for that project now
livegnik: I agree that it can be ignored for the most-part, but Identifi doesn't even contain it.
livegnik: trinque: Would that be identifi.org or identi.fi?
livegnik: The first is a quite shallow explanation of the project, we'll update it within a few months or so (after rounding up the pilot projects, board of advisors, and funding).
trinque: livegnik: so this is a haxed bitcoin where the payments are instead ratings, yeah?
trinque: livegnik: was looking at everything linked from github
livegnik: danielpbarron: Could you elaborate on the L1 L2 thing for me?
decimation: livegnik: what are you going to use funding for?
livegnik: trinque: Yes, for the most part. And there's no blockchain.
danielpbarron: livegnik, my L1 or "level one" consists of users that I trust (have given a rating) directly
danielpbarron: my L2 "level two" consists of all the users trusted by users in my L1
danielpbarron: so it is like a WoT within a WoT as you might imagine, where each user is a WoT or whatever
livegnik: trinque: There are 2 types of messages: 1.) verifications of identity's identifiers, and 2.) trust ratings ("Alice is a terrific barber!". "Bob is the worst car salesman!", "DID_REPAY_LOAN_ON_TIME", etc.)
livegnik: danielpbarron: Ah, the viewpoints. Capice.
livegnik: danielpbarron: Identifi does the same with the trust ratings, you can set your viewpoint from 0 to infinite.
danielpbarron: what would an L3 consist of? friend of a friend of a friend? no thanks
livegnik: Within Identifi networks the max is infinite, but the proto-type of our front-end hands you the options 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or infinite degree.
livegnik: Well, that info is there. It's up to you to filter.
trinque: danielpbarron: what does that make us?
decimation: livegnik: what are you going to use your funding to do?
livegnik: decimation: Mainly for further development, in cooperation with our pilot partners.
livegnik: I'm actually not interested in a very high valuation, to be honest, just to be able to pay a few devs to work on this full-time.
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livegnik: The idea for business model for the company we have in mind probably comes closest to Red Hat, without the Enterprise edition.
☟︎ livegnik: One size that fits all. Additional applications could be ran on-top of the node.
decimation: you get the government to pay you for other people's work?
livegnik: decimation: Not sure if I understand ...
decimation: what is 'redhat's business model without enterprise'?
livegnik: Services mostly. Helping business who want to integrate Identifi nodes within their existing environments mostly.
livegnik: Sorry, 4:33am(sterdam) over here.
trinque: I'd be interested to see an example of that business model working for something that's not a) propped up by VC b) propped up by govt or c) already had a viable consulting business
livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
☟︎ livegnik: Everyone in the Bitcoin-OTC WoT should be in there, if correct. There's a Bitcoin-OTC crawler for Identifi nodes :)
decimation: livegnik: what do you have to offer over properly using gpg?
☟︎ livegnik: decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields.
☟︎ danielpbarron: sounds like this idea can be adapted to the gribble/assbot divide problem
livegnik: I'd even dare to predict that this should enable business models like, e.g, a decentralized credit rating agency.
livegnik: What's the gribble/assbot divide problem, if I may?
livegnik: Identifi is blockchain-agnostic in itself.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 13:15:14; mircea_popescu: gribble went down at some point. this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in this position assbot got enabled to wot
livegnik: Can I drop a few lines (like 15 or so) in here to give some examples of what Identifi nodes could be applied to?
livegnik: I'll check dpaste. I've been using pastebin up till now for the most-part; years.
danielpbarron: so there should be a link on your site to my "address book" listing ?
trinque: livegnik | trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project << for the logs, it is never, ever a good idea to leap off into some venture with both feet when the venture has no profitability or plan to achieve it
trinque: livegnik: this killed my last employer, as it should have
trinque: the idea that profitability is something you can "figure out along the way" if at all, is a braindead american VC concept
livegnik: trinque: We plan to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
☟︎ trinque: as noted earlier in the logs, these days our chief export is bullshit
livegnik: I can't say too much about it at this time, but I can tell you that we have an accountant who's helping us to crunch the numbers.
trinque: yes but this is "if we get x and y consulting dollars" and so on?
livegnik: That's one revenue stream, yes.
livegnik: Happy to elaborate on the others when I can make that info public.
trinque: and maybe you will; difficult position to be in to say the least
trinque: livegnik: what does each node store its WoT in?
trinque: as I understand it you're basically using the bitcoin transaction propagation stuff to send out rating data?
trinque: so you're merely using "bitcoin" as a gossip layer
trinque: keypairs and gossip about ratings is probably not far from the mark
livegnik: And we're working on a permission database / filter/firewall & communication application that can run between the node that stores the actual data, and the other trusted nodes, in order to set thresholds based on permissions for sharing info.
livegnik: You could put it that way. It's a layer to shuffle your marmot around, or whatever analogy you prefer.
trinque: if you're not using the blockchain I dunno why you don't just use gpg keys and some gossip protocol; as I understand it bitcoin isn't even very good at that part
trinque reserves judgment on whether this is a nice marmot yet
trinque: seems there's a simpler way
livegnik: trinque: I'm not much of a coder, so I'm not able to answer that last remark at this point. Martti probably has a fitting answer for that one, according to my previous experiences with his mostly-always-sufficient answers.
trinque: livegnik: get in our WoT so you can self-voice, and invite him along too
livegnik: I'm open for suggestions though, and again, I'm just the business developer. Martti is the real dev on this one.
trinque: debate is how things operate around here
livegnik: That's why I love hearing your feedback.
livegnik: I've been trying to find people to break this theory, but haven't bumped into them yet. At the same time, there aren't too many people working on these types of solutions throughout the world atm.
trinque: instructions on registering
livegnik: I'm finishing up some things atm, and will then go catch some rest. My IRC server is up 99% of the time (the missing 1% was yesterday), so I'll be back in here :)
livegnik: Thanks for your thoughts on this so far. I'll invite Martti to join us in here.
trinque: I see two problems, one solved by gpg entirely, which is establishing an identity
trinque: the other is a publishing problem, mostly solved by gpg
trinque: the rest of the problem is what they said, about whom, and how that information is discoverec
danielpbarron: You can try it out at
http://identi.fi. You can easily log in with FB/G+/Twitter/email and give ratings and verifications. It's still in alpha stage and the user interface is under constant development. My goal is to make it easier to use than the address book on your phone. << that part's got to go if it's going to be worth anything
livegnik: Not for this purpose, yet. I'll fix it later today (after I wake up).
trinque: rather than gossip protocols and all this other fancy shit, what's wrong with a simple gpg message format that constitutes a rating
livegnik: Sorry for bothering you with level-upping me constantly. I won't be on for much longer now anyhow, so I won't waste too much of your typing and/or clicking ;)
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livegnik: There's probably not much wrong with simple gpg messages. There's more to Identifi than rating messages however.
danielpbarron: it's less of a bother than your apology for the perceived bother
livegnik: In that case, sorry to bother you with the apology for the perceived bother.
trinque: and bring your partner in here for a beating next
livegnik: I know who's beating I'll put my money on though.
trinque: heh sounds like you already have
livegnik: I did? Oh, I might have become insusceptible to them then by now.
livegnik: Disregard that last one, miscommunication on my side. I think you're right about me going to bed then.
livegnik: I enjoyed talking to all of you. See y'all in Round 2! :)
mod6: trinque: same thing :/
mod6: has the same error in the System Log.
mod6: oh well, i guess we can pick it back up tomorrow.
trinque: may help; that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2
trinque: and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script together before long
trinque: kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/xvda1 rootfstype=ext4
mod6: yeah isn't that what i have in grub? ^^^
mod6: # ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin getblockcount
mod6: <+trinque> may help; that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2 << i'll try this out tomorrow
mod6: <+trinque> and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script together before long << ok sweet!
mod6: anyway, if my grub looks good, then maybe it's my kern. but it could be something else... not quite sure.
decimation: "It's "a horrific idea," [paying $250k] said Sam Altman, the president of Y Combinator, Silicon Valley's most prestigious technology incubator. "It seems on paper like a really good idea [since] great engineers can create huge value. [But] here's why it doesn't work: You really want a company full of missionaries, not mercenaries. And so if your company is known as the place where you can make a huge cash salary, you end up
decimation: attracting" the worst cultural fits. "
decimation: of course he's not a fan, because if suddenly 'talent' thinks they are worth $250k instead of $50k, his own business implodes
Pierre_Rochard: ^ place this quote under “self-serving” in a dictionary
decimation: Pierre_Rochard: exactly. also, given that if you are making less than $150k in silicon valley you are literally a bum - it won't take much for 'salary fashions' to change
Pierre_Rochard: “You really want a company full of missionaries, not mercenaries.” <- well let’s say their are fewer missionaries in the labor market than there are missionary positions. You have to compete for them somehow.
Pierre_Rochard: “we’re more religious than the next guy d00d!! we only worship helping consumers with javascript!!”
mircea_popescu places sam altman's "mp killed our business model, sadly, as he said he would" quote under "unexpected honesty" in his own personal disectionary.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 22:08:54; assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:25:57; asciilifeform: <danielpbarron> there's yer answer: it's sha1 << why do we have sha1 anywhere
decimation: median price in palo alto was $2.4 mil in 2014
mircea_popescu: "Let’s assume we want a $1.0M, below-median house in Redwood City. You’d have to start by coming up with ~$220k in savings for the down payment + closing costs, and then take out a mortgage for the remaining $800k"
decimation: I think a small flat goes for 0.5-1 mil
mircea_popescu: A car is pretty much a requirement in the suburbs. Even without accounting for car payments, gas and insurance and tolls will eat up $200-300 per month easily. << i thought tesla is free!
mircea_popescu: "Salaries and bonuses and stock grants may be jumping higher in our current boom cycle, but a lot of it is recaptured in real estate." heh
mircea_popescu: the sad truth is that "quantitative easing" essentially ends up as a real estate bubble.
decimation: exactly. there's nowhere for all the vast slosh of bezzlars to go, other than real estate and the stock market
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o i know. was very amused at some incredibly hamhanded esl scam-pushing linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of penalties and actual deterrence : it's as you may know rauchen verboten here. so i pull out a cigarillo and head to a table where three girlies are derping (at starbucks). ask for a light. they... all have it.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck carries matches/lighters around if they don't fucking smoke.
mircea_popescu: "oh, better keep this in the purse ever as i pretend smoking disgusts me, who knows, maybe hott gringo asks
mircea_popescu: yeah right. these chicks looked like they haven't even mastered the blowjob yet. what weed.
decimation: some guy made a web 2.0 version of nanotube's wot, thinks he is gonna make money
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:01; decimation: livegnik: what do you have to offer over properly using gpg?
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:37:47; livegnik: decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields.
decimation: it's almost like these guys are a broken record
mircea_popescu: afaik sirius had been working at a web-ish sort of wot for ages now.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:32:31; mod6: ok bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 + Orphanage Nuke is running with `nmon -f -s3` & `vmstat 1`, so we should have some good metrics when complete.
assbot: livegnik is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:01; asciilifeform: this is unheard of in usa
mircea_popescu: perfect spot. guy alone ? take off clothes, do the work naked, see what he says.
decimation: cleaning shit is at least an honest business
mircea_popescu: you don't have to pay anyone for leads that way, don't have to commute to work... with a little luck can do a dozen numbers and make more than the manager makes per month
mircea_popescu: you know women are possessed of speech. you can talk to them.
decimation: you don't even have to be a missionary for your shit cleaning
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think just erryone gets to be a pet ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's my experience that the unconcerned asker usually does fine. it's the hedger that ends up in the soup.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:46:40; livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi:
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:49:19; asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
decimation: asciilifeform: he does have rounded corners on the wot listings
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:52:03; trinque: aside that it just strings together analogies
mircea_popescu: yeah. but even if construed favorably, the point remains : you will have some hierarchies of trust.
mircea_popescu: kind-of what i'm trying to build too, kind-of what's utterly required : until critical mass, danger will robinson!
mircea_popescu: and i suspect (the math on this is fuzzy and still bneing worked out) that the critical mass for wot is exponentially more expensive than the critical mass for bitocin.
mircea_popescu: there was a great pic of a loaded train yest, where was it
felipelalli: I searched on Google by "india crowded train" ahahah
decimation: I was watching a bbc show about indian frontier railways a few weeks ago
decimation: apparently neither india nor pakistan have upgraded anything since the brits left
decimation: still using ancient signaling devices, etc
decimation: asciilifeform: the frontier railways are pathological cases, going between indian and bangladesh, nepal
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:22:45; livegnik: danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score.
mircea_popescu: i'm "hacking" gravtar, been exposing gmail emails all day.
mircea_popescu: oh i recall this identi.fi thing being discussed at some point cuz anduck was in it. maybe a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. this is going the other way tho : make emails, hash, test.
mircea_popescu: im going through ~100/s, fished out a few dozen already.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: not only emails but the photo together. :)
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mircea_popescu: because gravatar, which is a subsidiary of automattic, which exists in order to shit on the internet.
mircea_popescu: there's an entire subculture of these asinine imbeciles, from altman to fetlife to automattic to you name it.
mircea_popescu: "everyone can drive a car" results sooner or later in the "nobody could have foreseen that curve" soccer mom and old person automotive club
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:32:01; livegnik: The idea for business model for the company we have in mind probably comes closest to Red Hat, without the Enterprise edition.
mircea_popescu: (but i do recall a kid who, whenever asked what he aims to become in lyf, would answer "pensioneer")
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assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:36:21; livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
decimation: I remember the early days of redhat, when everyone thought they were the heros for trying to 'make money' on open source software
mircea_popescu: heck, at some point graham was a very respectable lisp hacker, and buffett a supremely wise capital allocator.
decimation: then they realized that they occupied a massive vacuum left by sun and old purveyors of unix to usg
mircea_popescu: the problem with people, generally, is that they never aim to destroy.
mircea_popescu: the thought of your average joe when confronted with a vacuum is never "holy shit ima make SUCH A fucking earthquake here..."
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 02:46:43; livegnik: trinque: We plan to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
mircea_popescu: women plan like thus : i would like for X to happen. men plan like thus : X is probably going to happen want it or not.
mircea_popescu: because human culture is an exercise in opressing the female viewpoint
mircea_popescu: principally because the female viewpoint is retardedly infantile.
mircea_popescu: decimation : to quote the original variety speak, "the budget goes crunch, but the names pack punch, so they called over the accountants and they're gonna do lunch"
cazalla: AU slashed interest rates to 2.0%, lowest on record, gotta juice the housing market a bit more i guess
decimation: mircea_popescu: the idea that an accountant is the guy who should be planning your business is a little silly
mircea_popescu: he means the accountant will shrug at their projections and go "i guess"
mircea_popescu: which makes them ever so slightly better than blindfold darts
decimation: yeah, reminds me of 'technical analysis' of stocks
decimation: sure, but in the sense of knowing where you are, not where you are going I would think?
mircea_popescu: accountant's a tool. can only shine in the hands of providential management.
decimation: yes. one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you don't have providential management, da fuck you gonna do. trust in the tools.
mircea_popescu: cargo cultism at its most base. "well we don't have a mechanic, but all the toolboxes are here and open just like he would have had them, were he here"
mircea_popescu imagines very sad repair shop operated by the surviving children of dead mechanic, through throwing wrenches and whatnot at engines.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: << that part's got to go << that's the part which provides "usability".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118121 @ 0.00024879 = 29.3873 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu pokes asciilifeform the conquering hero as to THE STATE OF THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm not even sure what ycombinator's business model is supposed to be past the old yahoo scam (trick old ladies into thinking X is big so they pour their money into it, pocketing most of it, etc)
decimation: yeah, but richer and more sophisticated ladies, because they are qualified investors
mircea_popescu: well yahoo in the golden age (1999-2002ish) also swindled the same market.
mircea_popescu: same Katie Courics/Elie Wiesels/Alicia Koplowitzes that madoff took to the cleaners too.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00024651 = 12.3502 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:27:39; asciilifeform: jurov: can we have less mutilation (file names?) plz ?
davout: ;;later tell funkenstein_ nice blog post
jurov: lmao.. liberlanders tried to board their homeland, get detained by croatian customs for "crossing border outside of b.point"
jurov: promise "we'll try next time using proper protocol for boarding from international waters"
jurov: with "We have assistance of Serbian police, which is now coordinating the action so everything would go well in keeping with the international laws."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00024651 = 2.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139617 @ 0.00024729 = 34.5259 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00024729 = 4.9458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170100 @ 0.00024729 = 42.064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 211 @ 0.01075639 = 2.2696 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48462 @ 0.00024729 = 11.9842 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00024729 = 18.6209 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 179900 @ 0.00024393 = 43.883 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1zK4no8 )
davout: jurov: re liberation maximum kek
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 01:34:14; trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah they were total trolls at my old gig
davout: asciilifeform: really curious to see how the orphanage thermonuke patch will work in the field
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mod6: ;;calc 50655817/1024000
mod6: so about 10x that much eh
mod6: 187980 << im at this block
mod6: but overnight my nmon capture died :<
mircea_popescu: <jurov> wow,$42 for 0.1 pseudobtc? << i don't see anything on that page ?
jurov: dunno, works from here. and it went up to $55
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu jurov give me two mins and i'll have a little qntra piece on it
assbot: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust: Summary, Stock Quote & Trades for Bitcoin Investment Trust - OTCMarkets.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1GMoqzn )
jurov: oh you mean liberation
jurov: that's worse shit than scribd, i did not realize at first
mircea_popescu: anyway. so some senator wants the bitches in decolletage. big whoop.
jurov: yea, that i saw when i had js disabled
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 04:45:39; decimation: yes. one problem with the us business world in general is that many 'staff' positions like accountancy have been mistaken for management
mircea_popescu: "The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "you and sara aren't nearly as much a thing as me and sara, because I even draw weird pictures of her in my fictional dungeon doing really slave-y shit!!1"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (Fragging; or dynamic crud somehow not covered by valgrind, etc.) << i toldja it doesn't only leak in that place.
Pierre_Rochard: seriously? I’ve only worked in handful of businesses, but I can’t imagine them operating for long without a CFO
mircea_popescu: but ==4466== ERROR SUMMARY: 303360 errors from 25 contexts is not bad.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard yeah, but what they did was glorify their accountant into "officer"hood.
mircea_popescu: a business couldn't conceivably operate for long without the cleanning lady, either, but that doesn't mean she's not staff.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol. doesn't even... price outside of week range etc ? p.lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i'm having a lol at "greyscale" having made essentially the same tired out bitcoin scam.
mircea_popescu: these fiat derps really imagine they're going to be such hot shit once "they get regulatory approval"
mircea_popescu: then they do and it turns out... that's still not where it's at.
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Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: there’s been generalized inflation of “C” positions, but if you’re going to glorify someone, may as well be the financial steward of the company. He’s a key part of governance and oversight. Or at least, that’s been my experience
mircea_popescu: governance is the job of the fucking board not the job of the officers
mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone wants to pretend and pretense is expensive so everyone agrees to pretend in a cheaper, mutually recognised way
mircea_popescu: unless you're out and out making tax avoidance and marginal financial scams a part of your business model (hence my "are you a private bank" question), in which case yes the cfo is in fact a chief of a department and needs to come up with planning for the board etc,
Pierre_Rochard: oversight is the definition of management. A board’s governance is over the officers of the company in practice
mircea_popescu: having a cfo is like having an afterburner. for your car.
mircea_popescu: if oversight were the definition of management, all parents of autistic children should be in jail.
Pierre_Rochard: Your view of cfos reveals something about the cfos you’ve had experience with...
mircea_popescu: in no case can random corp that's NOT a private bank actually afford a cfo. (who no, is not an accountant, and who yes costs more than a good ceo - which again isn't "i'm the boss")
Pierre_Rochard: right, characters out of hollywood movies are generally not available for hire
mircea_popescu: competent people are not "characters out of hollywood movies". this is like... guy wanting to break up with his wife because she's... whatever, middleaged fatty, and she breaking out the "supermodels aren't available!!1"
mircea_popescu: depends for whom. yes, for middle aged fatty married to middle aged fatty they aren't. which is why he calling her a "porn star" is dubious in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the conflict here being that you like accountancy and imagine that "being an accountant" is a part of one's identity, and i used to like being a cfo back when i was still available to hire, and i had a very strict "accountant ne ultra crepidam" then, too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00024361 = 3.3253 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you familiar with the "poisoned reactor" phenomenon ?
Pierre_Rochard: my background does color my view, but a competent cfo isn’t one who’s great at tax avoidance (that’s why you hire…. tax accountants!) or cooking the books. (1) A competent cfo is one who build a great financial planning and analysis team and uses them well - to inform the CEO’s strategy and constraints under which the business operates. (2) A competent cfo also builds a great internal audit team to maintain
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard yes man, in theory this is true. in practice you know what it is.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well then pull a chair and let old man me tell you a story!
mircea_popescu: so, nuclear reactions happen a lot like dating : whenever a nucleon breaks up, it spits out some accelerated particles. either these hit another nucleon and start another reaction or they don't.
mircea_popescu: in order for the nuclear reaction to be a nuclear explosion, the average nucleons hit / nucleons broken must be >1. in order for it to be a nuclear reactor (the civillian kind) it must be exactly 1. but exactly. if it goes below 1 the reaction extinguishes, so most reactors are run as a 0.999 - 1 oscillation, practically.
mircea_popescu: the way this is accomplished in practice is with "moderators", which are rods of particle absorbers. these soak up the particles, reducing the rate of reaction. in practice, large barium rods go in and out of the core
mircea_popescu: now, some particular fuels have the unfortunate property that if the reaction is ever decelerated, they produce nuclear poisons. nuclear poisons are usually gases (like xeon) that absorb particles and decay.
mircea_popescu: a very dangerous situation can develop in practice (especially in "manually operated" reactors) where the core is well poisoned, which makes it look like it is working way way under 1, which prompts the techs to remove the moderator further.
mircea_popescu: nothing happens, of course, because the poisons are still sucking up the particles. so they pull the moderator even further, not getting any feedback.
mircea_popescu: at which point hte poison suddenly runs out, and now you have a critical reactor and not enough time to moderate it (because those rods take time to move, being mechanical in nature).
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard what i've seen in practice is a lot of "industry standards" and "nobody could have predicted", neither of which do a cfo make.
mircea_popescu: in fact whenever an officer of any kind justifies anything by "it being industry standard" that officer should be therewith fired and sent back to the staff position he belongs in.
mircea_popescu: it's leadership not followship. you gotta have much better reasons to do anything than "erryone else's doing it"
mircea_popescu: now maybe you live in the magical land over the rainbow where people making 75-150k a year with an accountancy degree under their belt somehow actually come up with strategies and organise departments and whatnot. in practice, you'll get a whole lotta copy/paste, shannonization of varous recycled material (what they got from "books" / overheard at conferences etc) and so on.
Pierre_Rochard: often better than them trying to reinvent the wheel, that’s when you get some real cargo culting
mircea_popescu: im not saying that accountants trying to cope with being officers by being bland are better or worse than those trying to cope by being insane.
mircea_popescu: im saying you shouldn't really put people in positions where they have to cope in production
mircea_popescu: course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 233700 @ 0.0002351 = 54.9429 BTC [-] {4}
Pierre_Rochard: agreed, and I will say not every company’s top accounting/finance person should be cfo, they often should just be treasurer or controller
mircea_popescu: really, the immensity of cultural decay in the west is not something people can appreciate off the street.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard nothing wrong with that, you know ? be the fucking treasurer, nobody died of it yet sorta thing.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, seems to be.. i swear he was here earlier
cazalla: if i post a qntra link, it's duplicated seconds later, but if i don't.. nothing!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu why would nuclear reactions ever be decelerated ? why not just add more barium rods to absorb the excess nucleons ?
pete_dushenski: and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
ben_vulpes wonders if thing is an l2 pun he doesn't understand the context for
ben_vulpes enjoys a brief moment of respite to catch up on logs
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> and if you think banning me will make all your earthly woes vanish, you've got another thing coming!
ben_vulpes pages impatiently through the rhetoric looking for mod6 and asciilifeform and trinque's convos
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "iconv" << is this another one of those "lol u tried to make a static bin sucker" traps?
ben_vulpes: and even though the produced binary is "static" it still loads system modules at runtime?
ben_vulpes: carving cthulus name over athena's face.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so xoom (some derpy bitcoin exchange thing) : 1. pays google to advertise on pages where it gets 1st slot organically anyway ; 2. fails to even fucking load the landingpage :
http://dpaste.com/306CZPS ben_vulpes: mod6, mircea_popescu, trinque, decimation, mats: ^^ anyone else is welcome to answer as well
jurov: lol thanks, why? it's not exactly demanding job
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it ends up pulled through glibc which is the source of this poison
mircea_popescu: jurov people have fucking serious problems doing well simple jobs like this.
mircea_popescu: so when it's been working correctly for months without needing all sorts of suddenly needed fixes, i'm as happy as i can be.
pete_dushenski: heh. gbtc 'daily range' now $55.00 - 94.86. 52wk range unaffected, still 37.98 - 42.00.
pete_dushenski: next lowest ask: $175 for 1 share, then $299.95 for 100 shares.
jurov: kicking can down the road since 2010 (tm)
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and i thought i was retarded. << mind you, the feat being performed is sort of one of profound retardation from the ground up, so the guy's up against a pretty epic tower of abstractions
pete_dushenski: gavin: "The ten-minute settlement time of blocks on the network is not fast enough for those problems," << so... go diddle litecoin.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi why the guy even imagines himself to be involved in bitcoin still.
thestringpuller: "You cannot expect people to do things for free if we want to keep the system decentralized. Its just not going to happen."
davout: "We are years away from a time when we can confidently tell a wallet developer “use this solution to give your users very-high-volume, very-low-cost, very-low-minimum-payment instant transactions.”" <<< someone show them to a mysql howto or something
mircea_popescu: why, on the grounds that "it's a year away so nobody can think about that" ?
mircea_popescu: hey power-rangers : nothing changes because it's a year away. if you put this in now, i will STILL attack your pathetic shit once you diverge from bitcoin, and i will still sink it. and you will probably try to pull a "nobody could have foreseen", except in your case, like in the case of the bfl scammers, i have the record pre-made, it's right here.
mircea_popescu: gotta love gavin's move from his blog to this thing where there's no comments. clearly, the man has a lot of support o.O
mircea_popescu: "It's pretty easy to have blocks of arbitrary size with no commercial disadvantage to miners-- and doesn't require fancy relay protocols; just all use a single large pool and a mining protocol like stratum that conceals whats being mined from the miners. The more data/cpu required to synchronize state, the more advantage there is in centralizing the function."
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [15:05] course school doesn't do that anymore, they just take the tuition, so now business is stuck doing primitive on-job training like it were 1700 all of a sudden. << jesus tell me about it
ben_vulpes: i don't think you really grok how much rhetoric you drop
mod6: the good news is, I got my gentoo-stage3 to boot without a kernel panic. the bad news seems to be that i can't seem to login... something went sideways with the pubkey auth
mircea_popescu: mod6 dude my heart goes out to you. all this shit that works until you try it...
jurov: mod6 aws cloud-init injects other keys
ben_vulpes: besides that was a *different* *uninteresting* block of rhetoric *upstream* of the shit i was interested in
jurov: which you specify when starting the instance
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i get my headers and usb widgets on wednesday night
jurov: aws has the concept of machine image, which must be customized on first startup
jurov: so, ssh pubkey is supplied extra and injeced then
jurov: a script called cloud-init runs on startup and does it
davout: yay, gavinanderpsen appeared in #bitcoin to defend his nonsense, fun ahead
mircea_popescu: davout i imagine alarms went out all through fort derp.
mircea_popescu: jurov can you verify they actually inject your key rather than one of theirs for to mitm you with ?
mircea_popescu: (obviously aws the corp owns the servers, but i mean... random employee could totally do this, could they ?)
jurov: they don't need ssh, at all
jurov: anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there
jurov: and it it's the case, remember which ssh pubkey he supplied
mod6: So when it asked me, I picked a keypair that I already had in use. just expected it to let me use that... but guess not.
mod6: <+jurov> anyway, mod6 has to check /etc/init.d whether clud init is there << i would check on the target environment, but i can't even get in there. I'll check in the chroot'd to-be-ami'd fs.
jurov: kk. cron nor init scripts usually never work on the first try.
mircea_popescu: cron and init. more like sex than you'd have ever guessed.
jurov: also, i don't see steps to avoid systemd in that doc
jurov: iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d
mod6: hmm. now that, i do not know. once I get it up and going, i'll have to see what kinda clown cars are spinning in there.
mod6 is not a linux ninja
jurov: dat's good. since ninjas were assassins
jurov: and gavin's bitcoin ninja
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mod6: <+jurov> iirc systemd does not do /etc/local.d << ok so yeah, i have these: 00_getsshkey.start 00_getsshkey.stop in /etc/local.d
mod6: there are a bunch of scripts in /etc/init.d
mod6: and under /etc/systemd there is one directory, 'network', which has nothing in there.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: THE DAMNED GPG KEYS!111 << dealing with sks retardation; see log
mircea_popescu: i know i know. i'm just being managerially helpful over here.
jurov: mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 14:24:26; mircea_popescu: "The Liberlanden goverment seems to have a lot of plans for the future. Paraduin appears to have no plans. Why clutch the control of a nation which you have no intrest in?" << wtf is with these retarded children. they're comparing their reality on the grounds of the extension of their hopes and dreams now ?
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 19:27:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 try looking into /var/log/rc.log << there is no rc.log
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 15:22:21; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how did you find that in bitcoind? a derpy grep through the 0.5.3 source doesn't show iconv anywhere.
jurov: mod6: then enable rc_logger in /etc/rc.conf and after reboot you'll see whole startup
ascii_field writes a good bit but mostly garbage for machine rather than words for men
dhill: yes i am that fellow
punkman: "retarded children" -> "Representatives from the Confederation of Âûtia, a micronation for people on the autism spectrum, visited the [Liberland] area on 17 April 2015, but the Croatian police prevented the planting of their flag."
punkman: I'm just wondering how many people want that little piece of land
mircea_popescu: punkman danube delta's pretty sweet spot. heck, 500 different migratory tribes tried to get it.
jurov: williamdunne: how comes pediwiki goes with such fad?
dhill: btcd is replacing leveldb. should be much faster soon.
williamdunne: jurov: Almost anyone can publish, anyone has a large variety of interests
dhill: github.com/boltdb/bolt
jurov: williamdunne you know what i mean. "almost everyone" has usually stuff taken down cuz not noteworthy
williamdunne: jurov: I don't really know enough about the demographics of the high-priests of WikiPedia to say anthing too intelligent. But I'm guessing they think it has a chance
mircea_popescu: jurov "everyone". there's stuff the pedos in charge like. that stays.
dhill: we started with sqlite. but it requires cgo.
dhill: i have a postgresql branch :)
punkman: ahh btcd, never mind, thought we were talking about bitcoind
mod6: ok jurov: got the log; I don't see any reference to systemd in there -- but keep in mind this is the parent system.
punkman: so sqlite didn't work out well for you?
dhill: i don't think there is a pure go sqlite? we used mattn's.
jurov: mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out
dhill: davec is lead on btcd
ascii_field: dhill: please say a little re: your choice of prog. lang.
dhill: golang or c is basically all i can stomach.
dhill: autoconf, different OSs, etc
dhill: a huge one is test coverage
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not systemd, tha'ts ruled out << ok *whew*. so yeah, both the parent and the chroot *have* /etc/rc.conf
dhill: golang reports which lines of code were never hit in test coverage.
davec: integrated test infrastructure, no active memory management (therefore no buffer overflows and all of the other common security issues that come with it), standard formatting, platform independent code without the need for an installed runtime (ala JRE), excellent concurrency primitives, built-in profiling, and documentation facilities, etc
ascii_field: davec: ordinary gprof does this for c, cpp, even fortran
davec: sure, it not impossible ot do with other, but it's not as nicely integrated nor part of the culture
jurov: mod6 i meant *all* paths inside the chroot. so if rc_logger="YES" then you'll get the log where hopefully you'll have any error messages from the local script
dhill: davec, what was the db read time for both leveldb and boltdb?
mircea_popescu: you two seriously should tkae a few minutes and register your keys.
mircea_popescu: it'll be valuable later on, and you'll regret not doing it sooner.
dhill: oh i need a pgp key
jurov: dhill, davec, and don't forget to gpg-sing all stuff you publish, esp. binaries
mircea_popescu: ascii_field shockingly enough, i suspect he actually has a point re the culture. somehow golang has this, whereas java or ruby do not.
dhill: jurov: we sign our releases
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how the hell one fashionable language managed to do it, but i am definitely curious.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
kakobrekla: from some random source, and I quote; " * Module to easily and possibly securily sign strings."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field to be perfectly honest, i suspect a dark eminence over at google had something to do with it too
mircea_popescu: now if anyone should know the importance of culture...
williamdunne: Possibly 15 years and becoming a registered sex offender for sex on the beach
mircea_popescu: that "sex offender" thing suffered as badly on the libertard threadmil as rape. nobody cares anymore.
davout: williamdunne: get it a cloak
mircea_popescu: used to be someone being an alleged rapist was a big deal. these days, it just mean kid went to college and wasn't entirely autistic
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think the problem is that a bunch of people are legally obligated to care, and apparently little background info is provided
williamdunne: i.e raping a kid looks the same as shitting in a park
ascii_field: so it is quite like the 'life term for stealing candy' case from '90s
mircea_popescu: "Video played in the courtroom during the 1- 1/2-day-long trial showed Alvarez moving on top of Caballero in a sexual manner" << does this actusally mean he pegged her ?
williamdunne: Yeah but the woman is looking to go to jail too
mircea_popescu: The state will ask for jail time for Alvarez and prison time for Caballero. "We gave them a reasonable offer, what we felt was reasonable, and they decided it wasn't something they wanted to accept responsibility for," Dafonseca said. "Despite the video, despite all the witnesses."
mircea_popescu: since when are the non-fuckers making the rules ?! wtf is this, grammar school ?
ascii_field: 'you'll starve again unless you learn the meaning of the law' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: actually... if the children are watching me fuck, they're adultos.
williamdunne: What about awkward eye contact during the fact? Is that a rape?
mircea_popescu: if you have time for eye contact, you gotta bring more bitchez next time.
mircea_popescu: In 2000, repeated non-violent thief Louis Rodriguez was sentenced to a Third Strike life in prison sentence for stealing a candy bar and some cheese from a Los Angeles grocery store. After more than eight years behind bars, he died in a prison hospital from terminal liver failure. At the end of his life, he wound up costing California taxpayers more than $100,000 a year in housing and medical expenses.
mircea_popescu: bwahaha. "your honor, i'm a diabethic. better cut the sentence in half."
mircea_popescu: "In 2004, Californians voted on Proposition 66, which would have undone the state’s three strikes law. Polls showed 74 percent of voters supported the bill, but a zero-hour negative ad push by the California Peace Officers Association, then-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and most of the law enforcement community turned public sentiment against it. The bill wound up failing by a 53 to 47 percent margin."
williamdunne: I mean they're pretty clearly fucking, but not sure what difference that makes
williamdunne: Pretty boring clip, especially stupid that they didn't even try and conceal it
mircea_popescu: well if they were gonna conceal it, might as well went to a room
williamdunne: From my understanding some people enjoy the thrill of doing it in public, no? Doing it in a way that is less than obvious but still public surely would still deliver the same thrill
mircea_popescu: the principal reason to fuck in public is to manifest your ownership of the public space, specifically against putative/imaginary/hallucinated ownership by people like the woman that made the video.
mircea_popescu: the point is to humiliate and bother her, and to enact, especially for her benefit, her social inadequacy and inferiority.
williamdunne: Not a reason I've heard before, but fair nuff'
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mircea_popescu: im sure there's people doing it out of infantile fixation, too.
danielpbarron: "The boy reported the relationship after he grew concerned that Sonnier may have given him a venereal disease
mircea_popescu: for the record, i knew a chick that had a relationship with her dog.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75238 @ 0.00023173 = 17.4349 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: in what world does the guy cook in the am?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169562 @ 0.00022165 = 37.5834 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, dog ended up with strange ideas about the world, scared the shit out of this chick i visited with once.
ascii_field: unrelated: therealbitcoin is still unbuildable for cross-arm using anything but old makefile + my (unmerged) portatronic patch
mircea_popescu: Be adviced that your invoice include bad values. Look at the invoice and make amounts.
williamdunne: I wanna beat someone over the head on #bitcoin
ascii_field: unrelated: i know folks who want to lease respectable servers for btc
ascii_field: was there any public movement on this front, at any point ?
ascii_field: (afaik the latter would be 'let' in engl.)
mircea_popescu: motherfucker am i going to end up with a btc isp on top of everything ?
mircea_popescu: those people can get respectable servers once they're in l1.
ascii_field: actually fella is in my chain gang - diametric - and is in l1
diametric: yes i'd pay for a server with btc.
ascii_field: diametric does actual work. while i distract him.
Adlai likes the "Now read this" closing each post. So say we all!
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danielpbarron: link to twitter at the bottom; i guess that's where comments are supposed to go
jurov: damn, i could have some servers ready by now. but when i mention who my clients are....
mod6: got it working, logged into gentoo instance built with my own stage3 ami
mod6: ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ uname -a
mod6: Linux ip-172-31-7-151 3.18.11-gentoo #1 SMP Sun May 3 14:58:30 CDT 2015 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 v2 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
mod6: ec2-user@ip-172-31-7-151 ~ $ ps aux | grep "init"
mod6: root 1 0.2 0.0 4248 1508 ? Ss 13:33 0:01 init [3]
mod6: gentoo stage3, amd64, hardened, nomultilib
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jurov: "we have enough ddoses already no thanks"
jurov: i was searching for a partner who already does some dc stuff
mod6: lol, i didn't emerge sudo
jurov: this happened. som now i'm on my own trying to put some setup together
williamdunne: Probably for the best anyway, it they're that faggoty they'll give up the moment a DMCA/Subpoena comes through the post
jurov: i was kicked out of bitvps myself due to ddos, myself
thestringpuller: jurov: < gavinandresen> jurov: I said I asked economists review my ‘block size economics’ post, and they did (and gave valuable feedback). It would be a full-fledge research project to estimate the impact of a technical change like increasing the max possible block size, I think
jurov: ^yes, thins needs no further comment
jurov: research would be too much, just keep kicking the can
williamdunne: Thats stoopid, definitely needs to be someone who doesn't care
jurov: still asking around, hopefully this time i'll end up with something
williamdunne: I would offer to help but not sure how much I could do without being physically there
jurov: yea, demand is for trustworthy machines ill put together myself
jurov: but i can run the whole setup by you, definitely
mircea_popescu: <jurov> damn, i could have some servers ready by now << aha ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: ty :]
mircea_popescu: the only economists qualified to discuss bitcoin are here, and afaik the consensus is "gavin is too dumb to understand how ridiculous he is"
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't understand this ddos thing. were you renting a vps ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154750 @ 0.00023458 = 36.3013 BTC [+] {2}
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ascii_field: 120309 (pogo, fired up ~2hr ago, currently ~50% ram used)
williamdunne: I think the biggest issue will be physical security
williamdunne: Could do with some way of disabling power when certain triggers happen
williamdunne: Which would drop any decrypted stuff hopefully
jurov: i can't do everything at once, such shenanigans may be added later
williamdunne: Sure, I appreciate that. Still better than most the crap out there
williamdunne: Roughly where in the world are you located? I know its Slovakia/Slovenia, but NESW?
jurov: if you read the logs, mircea supects someone gave the rack a hefty kick, damaging multiple drives in the raid
jurov: apparently no data leaked bud rebuild was needed
jurov: bratislava, slovakia
williamdunne: Ah, if East could have access to some stuff in Ukraine easily. Can't imagine they would care too much for any bullshit, bigger stuff to deal with
jurov: but i don't know anyone i can trust in ukr
jurov: and ahuling servers throught the border can be pita
trinque: going to need a #b-a undersea base
jurov: liberland is actually closer than ukr or sea from here
williamdunne: Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
☟︎ jurov: but then i can prolly drop the servers into danube, either :DDD
jurov: we have our own secret service to raid the dc. and when they do it, they take everyone's stuff :D
williamdunne: And then promptly apply a healthy dosage of thermite to the HDDs
jurov: nice fantasy, but that would make my situation worse
williamdunne: What do you need, and is there anything I can help with. I'll happily speak to a couple of them for you, I've made harder sells before
williamdunne: The ones who previously turned down because of DDoS
BingoBoingo: williamdunne> Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no? << Downside, no credible army makes Liberland easy to annex. Look at how easily Croatia bullies them.
mats: arxiv.org/pdf/1504.05647v1.pdf "A New Covert Channel over Cellular Voice Channel"
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Has Croatia bullied them yet? All I've seen is the border closed which seems sane if its a separate country
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: But closed in which direction? If I recall they blocked people from leaving croatia... May be recalling wrong
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: I think they're not stopping anyone doing anything, just doing passports or summin
jurov: they tried to enter from croatia by road and ford, customs stopped them and barred the road
jurov: then they tried to float from serbian side of danube , croatian customs detained them, too
mats: ascii_field: do you remember who may have authored it?
ascii_field: mats: not off the top of my head, but idea was same ('speechification' modem for using stock gsm chipsets on arbitrary bits)
ascii_field: 'In the proposed channel, the voice call throughput was entirely occupied in order to convey covert information, and it achieved a throughput of 13 bps...' << l0l lamers
trinque: mod6: what'd that ext error end up being?
ascii_field: williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
☟︎ williamdunne: Seems like it can only work if it gets past a certain point
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what'd that ext error end up being? << i needed to add the correct AKI to the AMI created from the Volume Snapshot.
ascii_field: williamdunne, trinque: the point of effective thermonukes + delivery vehicles
mod6: using 'default' just isn't the right thing.
williamdunne: trinque: Pretty much, or at least the point of being something equivalent to Hong Kong
trinque: williamdunne: doesn't seem like the chinese communists have had any trouble steamrolling hk
ascii_field: this kind of faux sovereignty may be interesting to some folks - but not me.
trinque: to the extent that it is still hk it is at their pleasure
williamdunne: Don't think they are meant to be outwardly aggressive
trinque: it's protecting against inward agression that's the issue
ascii_field: letting it be known that you will wreck usg is not 'aggressive' except to usg muppet theatre
williamdunne: Seems to be doing well, a lot of growth there and is well off compare to Malaysia,
ascii_field: ben_vulpes suggests that portland is also doing well
ascii_field: somewhere not far from where i stand, a cow in a barn is doing well.
ascii_field: if anything, they are more eager to enforce usg dictate than usg proper
williamdunne: I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if they were, off the top of my head outside of various south American shitholes I can't think of good examples of it
trinque: the only things big enough to meaningfully oppose nato are russia and china
williamdunne: ascii_field: Think the dope one has more to do with Islam
trinque: certainly not some kind of sealand or things of that magnitude
trinque: every other political entity is busy playing their relationships with those big three against each other
trinque: williamdunne: like Iran which you bring up
trinque: being able to wreck continents gives you a bit of an advantage
trinque: an understatement for sure
williamdunne: ascii_field: Its not the only exchange in Singapore by far, it probably was a suicide
williamdunne: ascii_field: Somehow I think Liberland will struggle to get even a single Trident sub
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trinque: I think it's foolish to think of it in terms of that
trinque: like there's gonna be some grand war of liberation
trinque: look at the scientologists... heh
trinque: they worm their way inside the machine
trinque: break it without ever letting it see you
trinque: scientology's tax exempt status is a goddamn hilarious defeat of usg
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
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trinque: ascii_field: this is why I favor the idea of a capitalist political party more than some kind of conflict
trinque: ascii_field: worked for the communists
trinque: who said anything about voting
trinque: point is they aren't making more dirt
trinque: and the dirt we have is already occupied
ascii_field: recall napoleon's 'can do anything you want with a bayonet but to sit on it' ?
trinque: ascii_field: I understand the quote to mean that militarism is good for destroying things, not for building a place to sit, eh?
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trinque: if a major war between the largest powers breaks out, there wont be much of a place to sit either
ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field: in TX for example I think anti-communism has teeth
trinque: provided the right screaming bastard to articulate it
trinque: TX is culturally already quite hierarchial, if not formally so
trinque: tons of business, and you can grab an average person off the street and get them yelling about socialism in about 5 sentences
trinque: were I in any position to do so, I'd encourage the states to pick fights with the federal govt
ascii_field: american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy
trinque: ascii_field: orc control how?
thestringpuller:
https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e - "Finally, a brief word about my own background for those who don’t know me. I have spent the last five years implementing Bitcoin wallets, and before that I spent nearly 8 years at Google. Three of those years were spent on the Geo Team (Maps/Earth), where I was a professional capacity planner for one of the world’s busiest websites. Just like now, capacity pl
trinque: but I'd say being in a bad currency is one of the most obvious problems
ascii_field: trinque: this map only counts dollar-denominated payouts from usg to states
ascii_field: (and is it about cash flow to state gov. or to residents at large ? )
mats: i smell merit washing
trinque: mats: that's not something I can even respond to.
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trinque: ascii_field: this is the ratio of federal taxes paid vs federal expenditure in the state
trinque: does not count defense contractors and such
trinque: that'd be the next question
ascii_field: thestringpuller: the usg muppets are in high gear, yes
ascii_field: what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
☟︎ mats: trinque: was referring to thestringpuller's message
trinque: ascii_field | american 'anti-communism' in all ages was a cartoon idiocy << not talking about mccarthy here, but the average TX business owner
ascii_field: trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
☟︎ ascii_field: to describe any kingdom where the crown is the largest economic actor in any terms other than socialist, is stark nonsense
trinque: I don't think you're appraised of the cultural setting there.
ascii_field: but the economic reality there - communist.
trinque: on that point there's no disagreement.
trinque: but unless la serenissima intends to blast off for another planet, it's going to have to pick its battles
ascii_field: so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
☟︎ trinque: when the fed falls over, Texas may well secede
trinque: and along the way it wouldn't surprise me for that state to grow ever-more independent of it
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trinque: there are at least people there who would welcome that
ascii_field: will be absorbed into aztlan in less than decade.
ascii_field: where is their demographic vector pointing ?
trinque: for one, texas is more economically powerful than mexico, at least going by bullshit GDP numbers
trinque: as for the ratio of ethnic mexicans there, they're not lazy socialist ticks, that's for sure
trinque: hardest-working people there are
ascii_field: cow is more 'economically powerful' than farmer, sure
ascii_field: there is also 'willing to butcher town at a time to prove point'
ascii_field: the aztlan thing is not about communism. it is about how there is (allegedly) an effective chingis khan operating in mexico
ascii_field: (by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.)
trinque: lots of military bases and equipment in TX
trinque: and the cops are used to dealing with well-armed gangs
trinque: maybe in southern california; in TX you don't see much of the waving of Mexican flags
ascii_field: there would not necessarily be a flag - just piles of skulls
trinque: what do you think the massively wealthy people living in various gated communities in tx would do?
trinque: what the political response might be
trinque: seems like a prime opportunity to demonstrate the failures of "give everyone a vote"
ascii_field: same thing they do now - ignore the reports of poor schmucks getting beheaded, and sit pretty in their forts
trinque: how is this distinct from the kind of privilege often discussed here?
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trinque: ascii_field: I observe that there is *already* a privileged class in TX
ascii_field: the fella in the fort doesn't get beheaded, but he will notice that the face that shows up to collect the benjies is a different color, one day, that's all.
ascii_field: and then it asks for 7.62 rounds instead of benjies, at some point.
trinque: ascii_field: if the gangs were a real problem in TX I'd expect the population to support treating it as military action instead of policework
trinque: the cops themselves are already rather terrifying there
trinque: and that's speaking as a white male that never had much trouble with them
trinque: and also the fact that most (and especially the wealthy) are heavily armed there
ascii_field: su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
☟︎ trinque: were there states which were more self-reliant in the SU that fared better in the aftermath?
ascii_field: none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field: the prevailing politics there pre-collapse wouldn't help, I'd think
trinque: I'd like to find numbers on the agricultural situation in TX, but I know there's quite a bit of it
trinque: also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
☟︎ trinque: at least the power structure I understand you to be referring to
trinque: this could all very well be my own inability to imagine how collapse occurs.
trinque: still I think there's a lot culturally and economically in tx that's valuable
lobbes: looks like Texas gets around 102 $billion from Mexico via exports
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lobbes: not sure how you'd measure black market economic activity, but this article claims 25% of Mexican GDP is such:
lobbes: but, 'GDP' is dubious enough as is as a metric
ascii_field: later tonight i might do a valgrind with 'massif' with --pages-as-heap=yes
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 19:36:42; williamdunne: North East South West
mircea_popescu: seeing how the entire country is roughly the size of the town's suburbs
jurov: notrly, there are other 2 million in the far end
jurov: but it's chumps everywhere
jurov: corruption scandal related to most expensive highways/km worldwide? but we're playing hockey now and must have a new national stadium built!
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure romania has the most expensive highway km
jurov: it's at least 18m eur/kilometer
trinque: I'll convince you all that TX is the future break-away state yet.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: (by some accounts, he is dead. but new one will appear. it is good fertile ground for them.) << Several, appear to operate on clear iterative succession.
lobbes: usa hasn't built a highway since 1985 << maintenance surely a money-pit though?
mircea_popescu: lobbes inasmuch as anything's still maintained (kinda spotty, this)
jurov: ah we're doing maximal price, you beat me. they managed 75 km for 9mld.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we have ~4BN for a 40km road (maryland 200) here
BingoBoingo: Illinois constantly tears up perfectly smooth rural highways for repaving with proper asphalt, the Missouri legislature debates letting their rural highways (the letter ones) revert from crude tarmac to plain macadam
BingoBoingo: Federalism leads to some discrepancies between bezzel projects across state lines
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 19:42:05; williamdunne: Liberland might actually be a cool option, although no-one recognizes it yet so no-one would criticize the US for raiding a DC there, no?
williamdunne: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
mircea_popescu: the lad also has to marry the daughter of the largest tracts of open pigfarms in all england.
williamdunne: I'm sure there would be a queer guard somewhere in the armoury
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Locally they are building a new hospital with Obamacare bezzel in the epicenter of mine subsidence (building rules prohitbit houses with basements in the middle of tornado county the issue is so prevalent)
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:06:04; ascii_field: williamdunne et al: 'micronations' are interesting right up until you try actually using them for something (e.g., resisting usg dictate) and it gets bulldozed. so, approximately as interesting as a pistol that is guaranteed to explode in your hand.
williamdunne: They can just tax some more to build the three following hospitals
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the logic there ? why no basements ?
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Well private hosptial, but it is great at milking medicaid for its part of the building
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Many of the mines are shallow enough that it's possible to dig into some supports and trigger some collapsing
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, you people built houses on top of an abandoned minefield ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, towns that burnt the coal got full so where the mines were become "subdivisions" with the vinyl siding and roads that occasionally crack and shift
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:12:04; ascii_field: (e.g., hanging suspected dope peddlers)
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Currently it allows you to trade dollars for linden dollars
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:27:33; ascii_field: political party l0l
mircea_popescu: im not making a different country. i'm making THESE countries. let the reds make "their own country", on fucking mars preferably.
trinque: we're not making more dirt.
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:31:41; ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
ascii_field does not assert this hypothesis as hard fact. but bets on it
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:35:02; ascii_field: trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:42:35; ascii_field: what, srsly, is the next step after this idiocy, 'small blocks kill kittenz!!111!!11'
mircea_popescu: seriously, mike hearn isn't the slimy fucktard we all know ? he's some sort of google expert now ? allow me to lulz for a spell.
ascii_field: expect him to wipe his arse with 7 ph.d. diplomas before this is over.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_hearn suppose you chill it with the pretense of my-google-job-is-my-social-proof so the huge pile of embarassing emails etc won't have to be leaked. google's been embarassed enough this year already.
ascii_field: that deck o'cards (inherited from brother) did play a lot of it.
mircea_popescu: myeah. so teh usg has all these minor muppets it keeps trying to use in that manner. get the majors out so they can finally play
mircea_popescu: except unlike bridge, irl does not have discrete mandatory tricks.
ascii_field: this is a kind of professional disease of agent masters, yes
mircea_popescu: and honestly i don't suspect the entire array actually contains one head apt enough to fucking finesse me. what is this, the future ?!
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pete_dushenski: whoa, sec makes us companies report on 'climate change.' why not make them report what they ate for lunch ?
pete_dushenski: so says, David Pogue, Global Director of Corporate Responsibility, CBRE
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mircea_popescu: www.ceres.org/files/investor-files/sec-guidance-fact-sheet
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:48:13; ascii_field: trinque: put a red flag and lenin face on it and sure, allergenic; but sell it as 'farm subsidies' and welfare-subsidized min wage slaveforce and it sells just fine
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 20:51:52; ascii_field: so far it runs the ancient cn algo of 'sit by the river and wait for your enemy's corpse to float by'
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 21:00:52; ascii_field: there was an army, and police, in mexico as well
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 21:09:45; ascii_field: su police were likewise intimidating. but this did not stop them from turning free agent when central gov. collapsed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00021201 = 4.2402 BTC [-]
Adlai: does the egyptian army count as "free agent"?
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 21:11:25; ascii_field: none were both nutritionally and industrially self-contained
mircea_popescu: Adlai i would say egypt is copying the turkish style to a decent degree. turkey is afaik the only stable situation with a free agent army.
mircea_popescu: problem is for all the linguistic and (ancient) cultural differences, misr is still stuck in the islam pit.
Adlai didn't follow the egyptian 'spring' too closely, but it seemed to be a general process of the army becoming a free agent, and the public not disliking that sufficiently for another revolt (or not having a second army handy to oust the first)
mircea_popescu: was free agent b4. current fossil replaced previous (anwar saddat) at a military parade.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121502 << you have to understand something essential about drugs : they aren't products. this in the sense that their flux isn't pull, it's push (which is why the sellers are called pushers). so no, the mexican economy does not rely on others buying drugs anymore than britain's economy relied on chinese buying opium.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 21:15:17; trinque: also re: Mexico their cashflow relies on USAians buying drugs, neh?
mircea_popescu: the others' abjection is enforced by the forcing of drugs upon them. exactly backwards from commerce.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform masif is a worthy move. never used the other thing, no.
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: So yardwork story from today. This year we've had a bumper crop of what I though were bumblebees move it, turns out they are carpenter bees. Rather harmless things I'm trimming trees the squirrels planted in the flower beds and the big bees are just buzzing around pollinating the shit out of the columbine... Yellowjacket wasp gets the jump on one of the bees near me and as I retreat because fuck yellow jackets, all of the carpente
BingoBoingo: r bees start raping the shit out of the yellow jacket.
Adlai: what is bee shit, and how does it get raped? stinging?
Adlai: actually the pertinent shit is that of the jacket
Adlai: the pertinent question is "stinging?"
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Well the stinger is part of their reproductive organ, so stinging==rape
Adlai is wondering about the effectiveness of thwacking the stinger against the arthropod exoskeleton
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Yellowjackets look like mircea_popescu's familiar european wasp, but sting with greater effect
Adlai: not sure what else bees can do, though... suffocate it with honey?
mircea_popescu: the common polen wasp as found in yurp doesn't really sting worth a shit.
Adlai is familiar with the yellowjacket, it was the first insect to ever attack him
Adlai: (within surviving memory)
mircea_popescu: Adlai a friend living in texas at a time was covered by fire ants as an infant, during a brief break in parental care.
Adlai: re:drugs, one of my stoner friends has a theory that the real fleecers are the plants
mircea_popescu: imgine, leave your toddler in its thing out by the apple tree, come back with some pie, ants dragging it away
mircea_popescu: "we found a worm! hey everyone! big juicy worm right here!"
Adlai: ie, genus Cannabis, like genus Triticum before it, has domesticated the monkeys
mircea_popescu: Adlai on what (other than ganja) is this theory predicated ?
Adlai: the fact that humans, upon discovering any naturally occurring psychoactive, generally attempt to ensure its survival
Adlai: a notable exception to this being peyote, which has been almost driven extinct
Adlai: yet peyote survives in private gardens, as does cannabis, and psilocybe, and claviceps, and...
jurov: if some psychoactives were eradicated, how would you know?
Adlai: if some trees fell silently, how would you know?
Adlai: oh, not to mention coca and poppies! but in the case of meth, that really is just a case of one person fucking another
Adlai: the pimp best at this is young kim
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Peyote is kind of a victim of its native environment
mircea_popescu: Adlai and lice, crabs, threadworms, bad clothing, warm beer, nose hairs, dresses in unflattering colors, lanky adolescent girls and cavities.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, do you eat that columbine plant?
mircea_popescu: (by the way, oxyuriasis is one of the major risks of rimming)
Adlai: some "symbiotic" relationships are downright parasitic; others are less so
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The columbine are totally poisonpus
cazalla: BingoBoingo, so wikipedia would've got me killed for eating the leaves eh lol
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Leaves might not be bad. The stuff bacically crowds a flowerbed like a weed, but looks pretty so it gets to live
BingoBoingo: I dunno if the whole plant is poisonous, but enough parts are to leave it to the bees
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> williamdunne: A mister << nice one, mister
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he'd better, because the only way that thing can exist is via subsidies. like the student dorm
ben_vulpes: familiar with the john kitzhaber story?
ben_vulpes: girl took him for a few tens of ks or hundreds, depending on how one looks at it
ben_vulpes: leveraged herself into a "first lady of oregon" type situation
danielpbarron: Brown is the state's second female governor, after Barbara Roberts, as well as the first openly bisexual governor in US history.
ben_vulpes: y'know i've yet to figure that out myself
ben_vulpes: the kind that work, pay for themselves, refuse to suck cock - sure
mircea_popescu: if only it were the case that people are lazy and stupid because lizard hitler.
mircea_popescu: yo t4nk fix that connection before you end up on a ban list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 280300 @ 0.00020858 = 58.465 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah Oregon, the success story founded by the Klan
ben_vulpes: ethnic homogeneity is a heckuva legacy
BingoBoingo: I've seen the legacy sprinkeled about around here, but nothing on the scale you got going on
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, a count of memory allocation of the entire codebase by function would be another worthy goal. just how much mmap, mremap, brk etc does it do.
jonvaage: How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: jonvaage: and how'd you know anything about culture around here?