asciilifeform: re: inheritance tax crapolade: the usg elite does not bequeath/inherit via the usual mechanism, but rather by:
asciilifeform: !s merit washing
assbot: 25 results for 'merit washing' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=merit+washing
asciilifeform: i.e. send children to harvaprinceyaleton, internships in africa saving monkeys or whoever, they are then eminently paper-qualified and no one can possibly object (tm) to their ascendency as apparatchiks
asciilifeform: the process is reasonably well-documented by mr mold et al and i will not waste more space on it here
asciilifeform: except to remind n00bs of its existence on such occasions.
mircea_popescu: if moldy had bothered to run the demos rather than just too busy sitting on ass and opining, he'd have noticed this theory is about as leaky as his submarines.
mircea_popescu: run the numbers if you're bored.
asciilifeform: which numbers in particular ?
mircea_popescu: well, the ones contained in the theory. apparatchick count, ivy league output, rich list.
asciilifeform: recall that apparatchiks are not all, or even most, collecting official federal salaries.
mircea_popescu: see how many kids rich people of 1960 had, how many of them are in ivy league in 1980,
mircea_popescu: and of those how many in the apparatus by 2000
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, for simplicity, work backwards.
asciilifeform: iirc mr mold does not trace the descent of modern elite to the rich of 1960
mircea_popescu: who do we start with, de blasio ? cuomo ?
asciilifeform: in fact, specifically disclaims it
mircea_popescu: and if you say "this is midwest only" or "this is non democrat only " you already lost.
mircea_popescu: well then what's the testable hypothesis ?
asciilifeform: posits a phase transition some time in early '60s where the 'optimates' (his term, something like 'old money') were dethroned by 'brahmins' (the folks running the show today, socialist functionaries who work 'for the good of m4nk1nd')
mircea_popescu: but. what is. teh. teeeeestable.
mircea_popescu: hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: ya know ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise teh empty rhetoric is suspect of well... that.
asciilifeform: testable hypothesis is that folks presently coming in to officer the upper ranks of the usgarchy (including not merely cia, etc. but the vc circus) , are largely annointees of previous generation therein.
mircea_popescu: unlike what, post explosion tunguska ?
mircea_popescu: that's always the case.
asciilifeform: always, sure
asciilifeform: but in this case a specific mechanism is posited
asciilifeform: sub-rosa, maximally deniable annointment
mircea_popescu: which works about as well as random chance.
mircea_popescu: suppose the converse. i have a girl with any of my women, she witnesses the life in a harem geowing up, i tell her all the dirty secrets of the world because i dfon't give a fuck, i encourage her to parade naked in town when she's 16 and so on, and when i die i leave her half a billion in untraceable money.
mircea_popescu: and this chick's not going to succeed because um ?
mircea_popescu: obviously the offspring of the powerful will do just fine, unless a) the powerful's just a fake elite ;b) the offspring's retarded or c) both.
asciilifeform: wasn't even arguing against the succession per se (next what, i should argue against snow?) but the bizarre deception games
mircea_popescu: mebbe their gaminess' imagined.
asciilifeform: mebbe my chair is imagined
asciilifeform: and i'm actually on a stake.
mircea_popescu: tell me how does it feel
mircea_popescu: to be on a staaakeee...
mircea_popescu: anywya, ima brb
the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
assbot: davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KHTo )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#866943 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:52:32; asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
asciilifeform: [insert all other known plato-wanks ever in this space]
asciilifeform: bbl, food
the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
assbot: davecgh comments on The Bitcoin Consensus Red Herring ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8KUGb )
the_scourge: er, sorry. irssi not co-operating with x today
the_scourge: but interesting discussion anyways
the_scourge: i was reading some really old logs and ended up mindwandering into some things about consensus and the various btc implementations. i know the xcp guys have crossed this bridge as well, slightly different angle
BingoBoingo: If we must read reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ummr4/part_3_cryptsy_stole_me_180_btc_withdraw_locked/
assbot: Part 3: Cryptsy stole me 180 BTC (Withdraw locked) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/18LAUxE )
the_scourge: i don't care for reddit but the btcd guys were engaging in discussion on there
the_scourge: who is cryptsy and why should i care?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00037484 = 60.4242 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !s derp
assbot: 1516 results for 'derp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=derp
BingoBoingo: !s ass*
assbot: 284517 results for 'ass*' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ass%2A
BingoBoingo: !s Cryptsy
assbot: 102 results for 'Cryptsy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Cryptsy
BingoBoingo: !s tits
assbot: 753 results for 'tits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tits
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: ^ context
BingoBoingo: Sure random anon bettors go with MP on 'Yes' https://bitbet.us/bet/1115/silk-road-deliberations-over-6-hours/
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Deliberations Over 6 Hours :: 1.25 B (54%) on Yes, 1.06 B (46%) on No | closing in 23 hours 28 minutes | weight: 100`000 (100`000 to 100`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Murz )
the_scourge: now i know who they were and i still don't care
the_scourge: at least i'm better at unremembering things nowadays
the_scourge: 'night
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/phishing-with-coinbase/
cazalla: ^^^ this guy might've been able to steal more if he had the enough coins to make it worth his while to do some friendly fraud on coinbase but who knows
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: what is the resolution source on that bet?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I guess we are counting on the deliberation time being widely reported
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00038409 = 28.2306 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: another snip https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/compare/guicruft-snip
assbot: Comparing master...guicruft-snip · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqfcuK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42807 @ 0.00038415 = 16.4443 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ?
asciilifeform: punkman: or only partial
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170937 @ 0.00038299 = 65.4672 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform total chump, came back from buying super-pleasure-led light bulbs only to discover that they won't fit in a single fixture he has
mircea_popescu: pleasure leds ?
mircea_popescu: what are you, potted plant ?
asciilifeform learned from a previous chumpapade that the ones molded to occupy the space taken by ordinary bulb, are laughably dim
asciilifeform hence bought the 1600 lumen units
asciilifeform: ever so slightly too big.
mircea_popescu: "accidentally"
asciilifeform: not exactly. and not really a secret why
punkman: asciilifeform: punkman: is that a total de-wxcrudification i see ? << I think so
asciilifeform: (the massive heat sinks for the rectifier don't do well in enclosed domes. but idiots insisted on placing them therein anyway, torching their hose. never mind that my domes are open to 30cm of air on the top - can't allow fit!
asciilifeform: thinkofthechildren (tm)
asciilifeform: )
mircea_popescu: see, if only dc won,
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't need rectifiers.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: course the heat sink on the cables...
asciilifeform: what cables.
asciilifeform: bus bars.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: punkman: looks like you clobbered all of it, nice
asciilifeform: http://www.delta-systems.co.uk/resources/Delta-copper-bus-bars2.jpg << for noobs who have never heard of a 'bus bar'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDN9px )
asciilifeform: (if you need them in jungle conditions, a copper water pipe hammered flat generally suffices)
mircea_popescu: doesn't even have to be hammered
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: generally, one ought to. 'skin effect' doesn't apply at dc.
mircea_popescu: better fittings available for proper pipe.
asciilifeform: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/skin.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGzVsY )
asciilifeform: better fittings - yes. for pipe.
asciilifeform: pipe to wire - problematic.
mircea_popescu: can always flatten the end :D
asciilifeform: i've been known to do just that.
asciilifeform: but i'm probably terminally lazy.
asciilifeform: http://lubelia.livejournal.com/1121217.html << general interest (arts)
asciilifeform: https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/ugluka/album/463141/view/980008?page=1&context= << this one in particular
assbot: Яндекс.Фотки ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDOE76 )
asciilifeform: mega-l0l at the Yandex ads:
asciilifeform: 'Наука узнавания еврея по лицу Гид по еврейскому лицу на booknik.ru18+ booknik.ru'
asciilifeform: ('guide to recognizing a jew using his face! guide to the jewish face on ...'
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: next ad is more mundane 'hotel rates in moscow' etc.
mircea_popescu: this is somehow of value ?
asciilifeform: of zoological value
asciilifeform: i have yet to see an ad like this on 'google'
asciilifeform: or in any engl. speaking venue
asciilifeform does not normally repost spam, but this is a serious new (to him) page in spamatronics
asciilifeform: as for the photo, i happen to like it. and think it would look good in any respectable salt mine.
asciilifeform: in break room.
asciilifeform: the_scourge: reddit article << now my turn to ask, what was the interesting part ?
asciilifeform: i'm unable to find one
asciilifeform: was it the stooge, proclaiming 'Then you shouldn't be pushing for btcd in the post. Btcd is harmful to consensus. Your proposal to have miners run multiple consensus implementations doesn't require btcd to exist and its existence doesn't benefit it.' ?
asciilifeform: we already know about the spam farms. it's over.
mircea_popescu: spam is over ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which reminds me, you know the joke with the jew an' the big mean dog ?
asciilifeform: 'only the dead shall see the end of spam'
asciilifeform: or the like
asciilifeform: big dog ?
asciilifeform: decimation: your cloak is broken.
mircea_popescu: a scrawny jewish real estate agent is going down the street to show a house to a customer. on the way, a large butchery, and in it a huge dog
mircea_popescu: which starts to bark quite furious. the jew stops in fear
decimation: oh no
mircea_popescu: the butcher, a huge guy with a huge mustache, "don't be afraid, it won't bite"
mircea_popescu: to which the jew retorts "my good man!
mircea_popescu: have you talked with the dog about this, or is it entirely your own opinion ?"
asciilifeform: l0l!
decimation: I wonder if it is because I joined before the cloak took effect
mircea_popescu: it ? getting flooded ?
asciilifeform: if using a braindamaged/misconfigured client, the time to stop is probably now
decimation: it's funny, I don't see many incoming packets
punkman: what's with the "(quit: Changing host)"?
mircea_popescu: nice last words.
mircea_popescu: "duck ? what duck ?! anvil ? what anvil ?"
asciilifeform: 'hey bubba, watch this'
asciilifeform learned these 'famous last words' without context, but always imagined a frag involved
mircea_popescu: ;;google 'hey bubba, watch this'
gribble: Hey Bubba, watch this! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktMdSmIwJ8Y>; HEY BUBBA - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEyaynMV-Y>; Hey Bubba Watch This by Ray Stevens | Song | Free Music, Listen ...: <https://myspace.com/raystevensmusic/music/song/hey-bubba-watch-this-43324733-99663337>
mod6: hi all
punkman: decimation: you need to use SASL
decimation: punkman: I did use sasl
mircea_popescu: use it twice!
punkman: decimation: you were already using it?
asciilifeform sits and contemplates mircea_popescu's software license, and increasingly likes it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you notice how my shit grows on one in retrospect ?
decimation: punkman: ah no, apparently I failed to configure it when I changed computers
mircea_popescu: starts as a joke, which is kinda funny, except haha, only funny, except hm... etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to think i've pulled off this effect once or twice on folks
mircea_popescu: what did the father of the girl schopenhauer was courting say ?
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: "he's a nice enough fellow, if only he were more serious."
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform is inescapably curious re: how the license in the article would actually behave in a secular court
asciilifeform: should it somehow make its appearance there
asciilifeform: the last clause of part (ii) would probably give a traditional jurist indigestion
asciilifeform: but - ianal
mircea_popescu: actually it would in principle bar any sort of legally organised body from ever using the software.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: no shit
mircea_popescu: so it's moot.
asciilifeform: but is contract (implicit, 'shrinkwrap', otherwise) where one promises to break a law, a valid contract ?
asciilifeform: for all i know the whole thing would be tossed, like a rich man's prenup
mircea_popescu: well but if the whole thing's tossed then they have not acquired the right to use it.
mircea_popescu: secular law is positive.
asciilifeform: but then it's just like a missing license.
mircea_popescu: no, it's like an actual unlicense.
asciilifeform: ^ good name
asciilifeform: short, descriptive.
asciilifeform: unlicense.
punkman: next we will start planning the real unmonastery
mircea_popescu: o no, that i already built.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005496 << James C. Scott writes about this "legibility/illegibility" thing, quite relevant ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:19:43; mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu risks becoming famous as an 'anarchist' eben moglen now.
mircea_popescu: i can't be famous, for obvious reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu built un-nunnery
mircea_popescu: only the politically impotent can ever be famous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform punkman http://trilema.com/2015/aseara-fusei-la-una/ < first para.
assbot: Aseara fusei la una... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDTFwy )
asciilifeform: un-monaster probably can only exist in neal stephenson's novel 'anathem.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89394 @ 0.0003716 = 33.2188 BTC [-]
punkman: asciilifeform: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998393 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 12:58:09; punkman: http://unmonastery.org/
decimation: apparently my ISP simply cuts me off if there's an incoming flood
mircea_popescu: standard practice on cheap home connections, and the only reason the shit's even effective in any sense.
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm curious how you determined that this is so, rather than the ordinary behaviour of a flooded router
decimation: I was watching incoming packets on my main router
decimation: went from something to zero, but it took about 30 seconds
cazalla: http://www.cio.com.au/article/565496/webjet-exclusives-trials-bitcoin-payments/ sorta interesting if ya australia, not qntra newsworthy on account i would be stuck writing abc business converts bitcoin to fiat 24/7 otherwise
assbot: Webjet Exclusives trials Bitcoin payments - CIO ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDUi9j )
mircea_popescu: cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that."
mircea_popescu: "driving adoption" the reddit way.
cazalla: well, at least they had the sense to avoid zhou's coinjar by going with bitpos instead
cazalla: might raise the eyebrow of vexual, think we're the only 2 aussies..
asciilifeform: re: ddos: i'm still at a loss at how snmp/ntp amplification ddosnets can carry on existing without a 'tragedy of the commons' situation - recall, anyone here could in principle invoke the chumpnet at any time
asciilifeform: by sending precisely the same kind of forged packets the idiot sends
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cause we don't give a shit ?
decimation: who am I gonna spam?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes. but it also appears that no one, anywhere, gives a shit
mircea_popescu: there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do.
asciilifeform: consider, any spammer in need of a ddosnet can simply walk into #b-a
mircea_popescu: it is really very very narrow.
asciilifeform: and get one for free
mircea_popescu: like, toothbrush sidewalk cleaners.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: that has to be it.
asciilifeform: i can't picture any other explanation, presently
mircea_popescu: if you can do it with a toothbrush you could ... restore art, or make your own, or be a surgeon or etc.
decimation: maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc?
mircea_popescu: decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway
asciilifeform: decimation: kakobrekla and i already posted, for free...
mircea_popescu: and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets
asciilifeform: they also are not especially hard to scan for in the wild
mircea_popescu: because the webwhrores charge for talking to them
asciilifeform: which also helps to explain the disinterest
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also relevant : http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-111914
assbot: O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdrrJj )
mircea_popescu: chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!"
decimation: mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though
asciilifeform: how much persistence does it take to leave an automaton going.
decimation: I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here
mircea_popescu: in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure.
decimation: well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hey, want this bridge btw ? i'm selling it.
mircea_popescu: i make a lot of money selling bridges.
asciilifeform: on the days when b-a noobs are unmolested, presumably someone else is being serviced
mircea_popescu: online.
decimation: are you a professional with a license?
mircea_popescu: i am a successful online bridge merchant.
asciilifeform: bridge like a pro in twenty-one days.
mircea_popescu: i can have my customers contact you if you wish
mircea_popescu: i am the one that sold the ukalele guggenheim bridge in abudja
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&q=twenty-one+days+book
assbot: twenty-one days book - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zds4CC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104219 @ 0.00037237 = 38.808 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: learn to write twenty-one days books in just twenty-one days
asciilifeform: i have this notion that the original was the cpp one.
mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one day book authors"
asciilifeform: 'learn c++ in 21 days'
mircea_popescu: "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one years old twenty-one day book authors"
asciilifeform: some wag had a (unfortunately parodic) 'learn to code in 21 years'
mircea_popescu: how i learned twenty one languages twenty one times in twenty one days
cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/americas/argentina-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-arrest-warrant-cristina-de-kirchner.html?referrer=
assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdssAU )
mircea_popescu: wait wut
mircea_popescu: a that. yeah.
cazalla: figured it was new aspect to that story, don't remember reading in logs he planned to arrest that chick
mircea_popescu: yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story
mircea_popescu: anyway, he can't actually do it. you can;t arrest a president.
mircea_popescu: however, her term's about over, after which...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure it was.
mircea_popescu: early 90s
mod6: incase anyone was interested, here's my errors from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=iweEQCpu
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDY3LN )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108850 @ 0.00037444 = 40.7578 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2015_02_03/caredit.a1500027 << "But the first report on the class of 2015 from the respected National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), which conducts multiple surveys of employers’ hiring intentions throughout the year, projects a 9% drop in the salaries of new computer science bachelor's degree graduates, from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this
assbot: Another funny thing happened on the way to the STEM shortage | Science Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDYtBR )
decimation: year."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130795 @ 0.00036764 = 48.0855 BTC [-]
mike_c: jurov: please and ty: http://pastebin.com/Dp3RbqtU
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Please deposit s.qntr shares - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DE0RbQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40886 @ 0.0003676 = 15.0297 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/world/americas/journalist-damian-pachter-in-argentina-fearing-for-his-safety-flees-to-israel.html
assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdCW3s )
asciilifeform: ^ re: that thing
asciilifeform: mod6: 'ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed' always ?
mod6: I could try it again.
asciilifeform: mod6: i notice it was the same in the first pastebin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53761 @ 0.00036626 = 19.6905 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mod6: do these refer to 2 distinct runs ?
mod6 looks back
mod6: yeah, two seperate runs
asciilifeform: for reference, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0942
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdDTbN )
asciilifeform: grep your debug.log for any other instances of 'VerifySignature failed'
mod6: yeah.
mod6: I see that.
mod6 looks @ main.cpp
asciilifeform: it isn't in any of my debug.log.
asciilifeform: in my entire collection
asciilifeform: (which is a few years long)
asciilifeform: but this doesn't tell us anything earth-shaking, yet
mod6: hmm. i remember this bit of code in main
asciilifeform: in turn,
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#1099
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1xc8NMz )
asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true
danielpbarron: my pogo running asciilifeform's bastard crashes quite often
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: as did mine
asciilifeform: but how often.
danielpbarron: every hour or so
asciilifeform: and what kind of crash
asciilifeform: the usual oom ?
asciilifeform: i'm actually not certain that 250 is low enough setting to make a detectable difference on pogo
danielpbarron: std::bad_alloc
asciilifeform: ^ that'd be an oom.
asciilifeform: the bastard patch made the thing actually usable on pc for the first time (in my view)
asciilifeform: but has not solved the central problem of pogo
danielpbarron: is this something swap space would solve?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99475 @ 0.00036382 = 36.191 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: swapping on a pogo is a nonstarter
asciilifeform: go ahead, try it
danielpbarron: i'll take your word for it :p
asciilifeform: (for one thing, you are liable to nuke your ssd, if you have one)
asciilifeform: by no means is anyone encouraged to take my word for things.
danielpbarron: i'm currently using a sdd
danielpbarron: the old-fashioned laptop spinny drive arrive today
asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd.
danielpbarron: ss*
danielpbarron: what about spinning drive for swap and usb3 flash drive for chain
asciilifeform: requiring a spinning drive is bleh
danielpbarron: rather not have to do that though
asciilifeform: not to mention dog slow
asciilifeform: as in, unusably
asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed
asciilifeform: in my 'valgrind' experiments, i've found that it is responsible for virtually all growth in footprint since powerup
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/nPwTvke0VOM << mod6, others
assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdFQ8k )
asciilifeform: ^ interesting
danielpbarron has a fresh new gentoo install
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tried building yet ?
asciilifeform: note that you can build for pc if you replace the cross compiler with standard gcc
danielpbarron: waiting for stuff to install
asciilifeform: you can then use same script ('portatronic')
asciilifeform: for all builds
danielpbarron: neat
danielpbarron: what is the prefered format for documentation? .txt, .html ?
asciilifeform: i'd say txt
mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that??
asciilifeform: iirc that was the closest thing to a plan
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asciilifeform: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/19#l1337398628 << also interesting
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdGzpO )
mod6 looks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106400 @ 0.00036126 = 38.4381 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2012/05/14#l1336971557
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdHFlC )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95132 @ 0.00036576 = 34.7955 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: thanks for the links asciilifeform
mod6: thx punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00036811 = 28.915 BTC [+]
mod6 digs through debug.log
punkman: mod6, this might be relevant https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d68dcf741e088d8d7033521aa1a1e5e87d9dd283
assbot: Limit the impact of reorganisations on the database · d68dcf7 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaspC )
asciilifeform: punkman: interesting find
punkman: also commits on bottom of this page: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/master/src/main.cpp?page=23
assbot: History for src/main.cpp - bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWaDkA )
mod6 looks
punkman: oh wait, not very relevant
punkman: that sipa/unstuck commit caught my eye
mod6: asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
mod6: I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...
asciilifeform: either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way
mod6: (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
mod6: ok. interesting. wonder if that relates to this:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00038361 = 60.035 BTC [+]
mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/921#issuecomment-5123768
assbot: checkmark shows blockchain fully downloaded, but progress bar shows 99% · Issue #921 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY2Fhj )
mod6: anyway, guess it doesnt matter
mod6: is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc punkman found a way to roll them all into the config
asciilifeform: (with no additional code)
punkman: connect or addnode in bitcoin.conf should work
mod6: ahh, thats right!
mod6: good-ole ATC taught us that :]
mod6: aight. time to test this out.
asciilifeform: mod6: we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync << we also get every new block thrown at us
asciilifeform: whether ready or not
mod6: ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
mod6: as opposed to these:
asciilifeform: mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers
asciilifeform: of questionable veracity to begin with
ben_vulpes: evening.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes!
ben_vulpes: salud
ben_vulpes: i come in unprepared for this conversation
mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ck6H6xwv
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY3TcH )
mod6: asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
asciilifeform: mod6: i actually don't know precisely how old
asciilifeform: but certainly not real-time current.
mod6: alright. thx.
ben_vulpes: all of this over a few IPs
ben_vulpes: peer discovery is totally fucked.
ben_vulpes: unsurprising, but disappointing.
ben_vulpes: sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
asciilifeform: exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?
danielpbarron has two nodes on two different ips running different versions
ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120104 @ 0.00038367 = 46.0803 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: first one is muerte
mod6 tries another
mod6: second one was active
mod6 eats
asciilifeform: mod6: use my liveness tester
mod6 try it out
asciilifeform: mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii
mod6: yeah, using 2nd version. thanks!
punkman: jurov, how come diff doesn't work http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/diff/src/main.cpp
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CY5MWJ )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war
mod6: PASS: 0; FAIL 313500.
mod6: i must have done something wrong. but anyway, I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
mod6: im gonna leave this sync run overnight.
mod6: for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
mod6: buenas noches b-a
ben_vulpes: sleep well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00036807 = 22.9492 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014, in what.. 4 months.. https://www.quantcast.com/coinbrief.net vs https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Coinbrief.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/16g3fu2 )
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2UsSv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67800 @ 0.00036804 = 24.9531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.00036703 = 25.3434 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56505 @ 0.00037435 = 21.1526 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4912 @ 0.00094242 = 4.6292 BTC [-] {24}
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fWhYJNZt08
assbot: Dashcam footage captures Taiwan plane crash - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16g5Xjk )
punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00036933 = 8.5685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92187 @ 0.00036525 = 33.6713 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: punkman, horry sheet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407904 @ 0.00037601 = 153.376 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/85000/85218/MediterraneanSea_amo_2015032_lrg.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18Mx3QS )
punkman: it's been dusty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156057 @ 0.00038379 = 59.8931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103315 @ 0.00038521 = 39.798 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90450 @ 0.00036231 = 32.7709 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167720 @ 0.00037933 = 63.6212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173350 @ 0.00036705 = 63.6281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 158000 @ 0.00036121 = 57.0712 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: ;;later tell LainZ gribble> New rating | LainZ > 1 > pankkake | bitcoin enthusiast, miss his trolling on #b-a << wrong WoT -- assbot forked it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229700 @ 0.0003652 = 83.8864 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: ;;rated irdial
gribble: You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.
danielpbarron: !rated irdial
assbot: irdial is not registered in WoT.
danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ ??
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: wanted to do this -> !rate irdial -2 UnSavory Garnish http://twitter.com/beautyon_/status/562908880511201280
assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin http://t.co/bTDihYENyC
kakobrekla: >Mon Jan 12
kakobrekla: after fork
danielpbarron: ah
danielpbarron: well that makes sense considering what he just said to me on twitter
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/is-bitnplay-a-case-of-shuffle-up-and-steal/
cazalla: i thought maybe irdial drank more than me but who knows
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00036019 = 22.9081 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143000 @ 0.00036893 = 52.757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00037048 = 18.2647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154800 @ 0.00037071 = 57.3859 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00037229 = 37.1173 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: mthreat, is that a first?
jurov: you're sending it to mpex? as gracious donation to shareholders?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217650 @ 0.00037875 = 82.4349 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
mthreat: jurov: i'm sending it as a donation, sure. MP said he would send it back if I want.
cazalla: well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
jurov: do you have la serenissima flag to claim it?
mthreat: cazalla: Here it is: https://blockchain.info/tx/4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 4cb1574e6bbb5f5d39b00a8791d82e11a6dc32600a02f80266f94268ee518a0d ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxdNQt )
jurov: it says gulf of guinea!!! scam!!1
cazalla: lol scam
cazalla: i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Lockroy
assbot: Port Lockroy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxe2eo )
mthreat: and my tweet: https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/562938829267808259
assbot: I just sent a 0.1337 bitcoin transaction from Port Lockroy, Antarctica - https://t.co/wV7cVjqjk2
jurov: (;
jurov: congrats!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150700 @ 0.00037924 = 57.1515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 244199 @ 0.00037928 = 92.6198 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up hdbuck
BingoBoingo: Hello hdbuck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77950 @ 0.00037933 = 29.5688 BTC [+]
adlai: bitcoin hasn't been in space yet, right? iirc somebody sent chris hadfield a changetip, but that's not bitcoin...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 228150 @ 0.00038056 = 86.8248 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00037634 = 36.9001 BTC [-]
jurov: gotta launch the pogoplug
jurov: int space
mod6: morning. ok lastnights test wedged going against a fully-loaded 70002 seed: http://pastebin.com/4Ps9ZxDJ
assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uXfhyQ )
mod6: no worries, gotta run though, will test direct against a 50300 later tonight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23451 @ 0.00037104 = 8.7013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126549 @ 0.00037104 = 46.9547 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167186 @ 0.00038011 = 63.5491 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00096846 = 1.4527 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42751 @ 0.00037261 = 15.9295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270082 @ 0.00036266 = 97.9479 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001.
mircea_popescu: this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans.
mircea_popescu: it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
mircea_popescu: note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
mircea_popescu: the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
mircea_popescu: decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
mircea_popescu: obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
mircea_popescu: so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
danielpbarron: k
mircea_popescu: it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
mircea_popescu: same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system.
thestringpuller: who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz
thestringpuller: hot swap those bitches
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/04/st-petersburg-bowl-bitpay-sponsor-nascar-driver/ << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin
thestringpuller: "Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
mircea_popescu: mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
mircea_popescu: the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
thestringpuller: RE Tax man accepting bitcoin from yesterday logs: http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2015/02/04/new-hampshire-bill-backs-bitcoin-for-state-taxes/
thestringpuller: o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
mircea_popescu: she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else.
mircea_popescu: my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
fluffypony: http://www.savagechickens.com/wp-content/uploads/chickenhappy70.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8P3ON )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
mircea_popescu: seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin << pics! http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-1.jpg http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bonafide-2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SxRx )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1u8SAws )
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
mircea_popescu: mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
mircea_popescu: maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along!
punkman: mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/hZVCehf8 << for your editorial consideration.
assbot: Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL. First ever (as far as we currently know - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C0MG0M )
mircea_popescu: "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
mircea_popescu: lawl.
jurov: re:pogostick swap woes - has anyone tried to enable zram?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean
mircea_popescu: and also, isn't it merged into kernel by now ?
jurov: it must be enabled in any case
jurov: compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default
mircea_popescu: this is true.
PeterL: mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
mircea_popescu: nah, people can just use deedbot
jurov: half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun.
jurov: i've got only a puddle fortunately.
mircea_popescu: what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ?
jurov: yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!"
mircea_popescu: visitation ?!
mircea_popescu: that's jesus showing up you know.
jurov: lolk
jurov: inspection
mircea_popescu: i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier
jurov: tap water is off. time to open beer!
danielpbarron: height=183146
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: 275384
mircea_popescu: gee, almost fully synced ?
mircea_popescu: has it even been a full week ?
mircea_popescu: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports#comment-597330 << check it out, mako guy actually published my comment.
assbot: Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ffdW )
davout: asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
mircea_popescu: where's that head explosion gif
mircea_popescu: davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~3 days
asciilifeform: davout: nope. bastard node test on x86.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind
mircea_popescu: oh oh
mircea_popescu: so how much memory ?
asciilifeform: 8g
mircea_popescu: yeah well then not saying much.
mircea_popescu: you still got a pogo running ?
asciilifeform: not presently
asciilifeform: disassembled for attachment of jtag probes
asciilifeform: but didn't quite get around to it yet
asciilifeform: i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing
asciilifeform: also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one
asciilifeform: there's cpu to spare
davout: !s if you can't stop fucking with it
assbot: 1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can%27t+stop+fucking+with+it
davout: :D
asciilifeform: davout: funnily enough i've a second
asciilifeform: davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test
asciilifeform: davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed.
mircea_popescu: with a change of curves.
asciilifeform: wai srsly?
davout: i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60
asciilifeform: this was actually shat forth?
mircea_popescu: ask davout he was there :D
davout: and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports
mircea_popescu: davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently.
asciilifeform: davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier
davout: mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first
thestringpuller: Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy
mircea_popescu: kk
asciilifeform: over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: wh ty.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates?
mircea_popescu: i don't care.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then - naked.
mircea_popescu: not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry.
jurov: http://www.amazon.de/Cloud-Engines-Pogoplug-Biz-Adapter/dp/B004VSKJ62/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423070142&sr=8-3&keywords=pogoplug
assbot: Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsJnkZ )
jurov: "only" 23+5 eur
jurov: and that if you know anyone in germany
asciilifeform: jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb
asciilifeform: and a few others
asciilifeform: i just picked the price winner.
asciilifeform: from my own perch
asciilifeform: might vary elsewhere
mircea_popescu: im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way.
davout: asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it
mircea_popescu: it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs.
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punkman: who manufactures the pogo?
punkman: globalscale?
asciilifeform: punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this.
punkman: ah cloud engines maybe
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often.
davout: i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina.
asciilifeform: brb teatime
thestringpuller: ^- this guy makes me happy
mircea_popescu: davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O
davout: re pogo plug in europe -> http://i.imgur.com/7mtvBR3.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsK9OY )
mircea_popescu: this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: 90 euros wtf ?!
davout: ikr
mircea_popescu: hm, ok, this is highly suspekt.
punkman: loss leader only in bezzleland
mircea_popescu: clearly.
fluffypony: I ordered two off eBay
punkman: there has to be some chinese knockoff
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ?
fluffypony: lemme check price
fluffypony: they're in country at customs, should be delivered
fluffypony: by Monday at the latest
fluffypony: it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program
davout: in two weeks(tm)
fluffypony: so via Fedex
fluffypony: and you pay for customs / duties up-front
fluffypony: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391010802864
assbot: New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iKRG )
fluffypony: so for two I paid
punkman: still $50+
fluffypony: ORDER TOTAL US $52.60
fluffypony: + US $20.74 shipping
fluffypony: + US $16.26 customs
mod6: << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha.
fluffypony: $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo)
mircea_popescu: aha
mod6: mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: http://pastebin.com/iweEQCpu
assbot: root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6j9Ue )
mod6: or internal log number: 1805961
mircea_popescu: o wow
mod6: 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140
mircea_popescu: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ?
mod6: anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!!
mod6: dig it up from ? the debug log?
mircea_popescu: ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so"
mod6: i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps.
thestringpuller: jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2u7ddq/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/ << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin
mod6: ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight.
mircea_popescu: no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess
mircea_popescu: no huge rush
mircea_popescu: but it'll have to be dissected.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's because it has fewer.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do.
mircea_popescu: cool.
punkman: http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms < various other plugs listed here
assbot: Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsLPI0 )
jurov: http://pogoplug.com/devices *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe.
assbot: Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsMb1m )
mircea_popescu: heh.
punkman: does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs?
mircea_popescu: nop
trinque: my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: horribru error report.
mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
mircea_popescu: o hey cool going!
thestringpuller: "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'."
thestringpuller: my god
thestringpuller: d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!?
mircea_popescu: eh simmer down. what money.
thestringpuller: changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations.
trinque: thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass?
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thestringpuller: trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem?
mircea_popescu: changetip ? srsly ?
trinque: thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater
thestringpuller: i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that
thestringpuller: but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money
nubbins`: thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape
thestringpuller: ^- that was my point
nubbins`: a career on redtube, maybe
nubbins`: so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school...
nubbins`: no entiendo
nubbins`: see also paris hilton
thestringpuller: well her career improved vs. say paris hilton
mircea_popescu: nubbins` orly? who was her dad ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ?
nubbins`: yes
thestringpuller: robert kardashian
mircea_popescu: hadno idea.
nubbins`: this is the only reason her face is everywhere
mircea_popescu: anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset.
nubbins`: oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film
mircea_popescu: no it's not.
thestringpuller: you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead
mircea_popescu: she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally.
nubbins`: sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her
nubbins`: (objectively)
mircea_popescu: one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most.
mircea_popescu: right. but they're stupid and fat.
nubbins`: so's the rest of her famous family
mircea_popescu: what do i care about her family.
nubbins`: all of a sudden it's about you?!
nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=kardashian+gossip&tbm=isch
assbot: kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6oivx )
thestringpuller: "armenians are the black version of white people"
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/c00cRKV.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6ow5G )
thestringpuller: her husband has higher net worth than her
nubbins`: y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter
thestringpuller: and kanye is a shitty businessman
nubbins`: if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags
nubbins`: even just one
thestringpuller: because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club.
nubbins`: A++++++ would wait in line again
thestringpuller: nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags
trinque: nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans
thestringpuller: but it's replaced with "hipster mags"
nubbins`: i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer
trinque: yeh
mircea_popescu: you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D
nubbins`: t*: we don't have "whole foods" here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads
thestringpuller: marketing is rape
nubbins`: i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years
nubbins`: 8 if you count english-language
trinque: yelling on the street corner != rape
mircea_popescu: anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama.
mircea_popescu: not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z.
mircea_popescu: more girls like kim plox.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-january-2015-statement/
nubbins`: thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album!
nubbins`: trinque +1
thestringpuller: nubbins`: yea the fragile.
nubbins`: marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people
mircea_popescu: <trinque> yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's.
nubbins`: too true
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre_production_discography
assbot: Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6pBKU )
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money
thestringpuller: ^- that's my point
thestringpuller: and Jay-Z associates with people who don't.
thestringpuller: which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
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asciilifeform: anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ?
trinque: http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/?h <<< LOL
assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyeUG )
nubbins`: i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$
nubbins`: there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they have a whole line
trinque: among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http...
asciilifeform: incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically
asciilifeform: (small pedestal for single drive.)
punkman: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-Powered-Ports-100563416/dp/B002DH40ZY/
assbot: Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyrHA )
punkman: also $13
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform: that's the one
asciilifeform: or actually no.
nubbins`: is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment?
asciilifeform: that's an analogue cradle
nubbins`: http://www.amazon.ca/Seagate-Central-Personal-Storage-STCG2000100/dp/B00ARB5FPM/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1423073439&sr=1-2&keywords=seagate+cloud
assbot: Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Amazon.ca: Computers & Tablets ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeyBi2 )
nubbins`: ^ nb price for 2tb
asciilifeform: it was, iirc, the 'goflex'
mircea_popescu: trinque lmao. it's so funnay.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle
nubbins`: maybe the "dockstar"?
nubbins`: ;;google seagate dockstar
asciilifeform: hm
gribble: Amazon.com: Seagate FreeAgent DockStar Network Adapter ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G>; DockStar | Seagate: <http://www.seagate.com/support/external-hard-drives/network-storage/dockstar/>; Seagate DockStar | Arch Linux ARM: <http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-dockstar>
nubbins`: first one
asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/seagate/goflexnet
assbot: Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dez6J5 )
asciilifeform: ^ that one
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: i have "goflex desk"
nubbins`: i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill.
mircea_popescu: "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access."
asciilifeform: incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards
mircea_popescu: happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching
mircea_popescu: answer, always "stupid idea, forget it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall
mircea_popescu: noob, usually "fu why so elitist"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes.
mircea_popescu: the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world.
mircea_popescu: to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode"
mircea_popescu: "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd"
mircea_popescu: hehehehe
asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate
mircea_popescu: "systemd wrote their own dhcp library"
asciilifeform: this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple
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mircea_popescu: "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so"
asciilifeform: when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw those in mass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa
mircea_popescu: they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway
asciilifeform: leaves
asciilifeform: pick'em clean
mircea_popescu: "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)."
trinque: looks like they want to kill etc too
mircea_popescu: this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"
asciilifeform: kill etc << apple killed it long ago
asciilifeform: the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit
nubbins`: seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever
mircea_popescu: "cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows"
trinque: big wink at the camera there
mircea_popescu: journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...)
nubbins`: ethernet, usb built in as well
mircea_popescu: ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized"
mircea_popescu: systemd crap, is.
mircea_popescu: ok enough of this idiocy for one day.
asciilifeform: embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore.
nubbins`: oh, that's a MIPS processor
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar'
nubbins`: [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"?
nubbins`: +1
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: that was it
nubbins`: what sorta chip's that running on?
nubbins`: marvell kirkwood
nubbins`: 1200mhz!
chetty: <mircea_popescu> this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user
asciilifeform: circa '09, however
asciilifeform: can't determine if still made
nubbins`: asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: http://www.svplannet.com/userfiles/lg_images/Seagate_Freeagent_Goflex_Tv_Hd_Media_Player.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uxQ7 )
nubbins`: ^ that's what i've got kicking around
nubbins`: will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage
felipelalli: Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.QNTR ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on http://trilema.com/2014/qntra-sqntr-october-2014-statement/ but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks.
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6uKmk )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: video thing?
mircea_popescu: chetty given some users, this would be a net gain.
nubbins`: yeah, little media player.
nubbins`: netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well
ben_vulpes: buenos
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nubbins`: unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!)
mircea_popescu: felipelalli because it keeps changing.
nubbins`: so useless to me from the get-go for that
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://ma.ttias.be/whats-new-systemd-2015-edition/#comment-10997 just in case.
assbot: What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vh7L )
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements?
mircea_popescu: well yes,. the statements
mircea_popescu: this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for.
ben_vulpes: funny news
ben_vulpes: our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
mircea_popescu: lol wassat ?
asciilifeform: wai wat
ben_vulpes: FUCK IF I KNOW
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense.
mircea_popescu: clearly you need it then.
mircea_popescu: "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon"
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ben_vulpes: more bezzletronic scams.
ben_vulpes: insurance! scam!
mircea_popescu: i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote
asciilifeform: by the pound?
ben_vulpes: how does one pick a stock broker?
mircea_popescu: "What is the zip code of your primary business location?"
ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know
mircea_popescu: check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered.
ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ?
ben_vulpes: girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
ben_vulpes: it's on some paas-y thing
mircea_popescu: seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors.
ben_vulpes: fuck that i ain't holding no bags
mircea_popescu: anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure.
ben_vulpes: actually its fine
ben_vulpes: dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
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mircea_popescu: the db leak liability attaches to operator.
mircea_popescu: unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually.
ben_vulpes: mnah
ben_vulpes: commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
mircea_popescu: welllll in THAT case...
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asciilifeform: http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_164529.html?currency=USD&gclid=CjwKEAiAo8emBRCX_OqU4qek6y8SJACzgf8fItxlMkPEh8mQ51Onl4aKr3o31T6wsIcm8FwdwzKuDxoCR2bw_wcB
assbot: DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF6kS )
felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using coinbr.com to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=L1Bv8GFg what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if CoinBr.com just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeF7p8 )
asciilifeform: ^ wireless, usb only for storage
asciilifeform: 512mb.
asciilifeform: there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost.
mike_c: ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
mike_c: oops. old habits
asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application
mike_c: !gettrust felipelalli jurov
assbot: Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/felipelalli/jurov | http://w.b-a.link/user/jurov
mike_c: felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing.
jurov: felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing.
felipelalli: actually they (CoinBr.com) hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something.
jurov: yes
felipelalli: perfect! thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93700 @ 0.00039594 = 37.0996 BTC [+] {2}
felipelalli: jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks.
felipelalli: !rate jurov 1 "coinbr.com owner, great job, I trust him."
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8516d6f71a1c731d
jurov: :)
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ats9 )
jurov: kakobrekla what about signing http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_ratings.sql.gz ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Ayw9 )
asciilifeform: https://www.newit.co.uk/shop << 'arm' system vendor in eu
assbot: New IT ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6AA75 )
asciilifeform: unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo'
asciilifeform: unrelated mega-lol: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/psa-your-crypto-apps-are-useless-unless-you-check-them-for-backdoors
assbot: PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BaBT )
asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/mips-creator-ci20-released-interesting-though-not-very-useful << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip.
assbot: MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Bsc2 )
jurov: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware guess we'll end up with this
assbot: A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6BsZj )
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
asciilifeform: jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos.
ben_vulpes: footnotes are so...web 3.0
asciilifeform: jurov: looks like even has sata.
asciilifeform: would need a chassis and power brick?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ?
pete_dushenski: bla.. fine. ima brb
pete_dushenski: :)
jurov: Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule
asciilifeform: jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more.
asciilifeform: 'prove you're not a bot or a c-student'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6CkgJ )
asciilifeform: ^ illustrated
nubbins`: hm, re: goflex tv http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2010-11/msg00155.html
assbot: [PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Cl4n )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: heh whaddya know
nubbins`: cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this
pete_dushenski: that's pretty cool lookin'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-]
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
assbot: That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
jurov: satoshidice.com down. interesting
asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat?
pete_dushenski: alright ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/
assbot: You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgegas )
pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7}
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination"
pete_dushenski: i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read.
phillipsjk: I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark.
phillipsjk: Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_30Mbit_sample.pcap
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgfCC4 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6}
phillipsjk: It mentions uzuuzuu.ru and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over.
teward: phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2}
phillipsjk: here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) http://phillipsjk.ca/images/Jan_28_2015_DDOS_10Mbit.pcap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: phun phact:
asciilifeform: there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'.
asciilifeform: at least, was, a year or so ago.
teward: asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on
teward: AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk
asciilifeform: there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach.
phillipsjk: The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected.
teward: phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything
teward: :P
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful.
asciilifeform: not even about these in particular.
phillipsjk: I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-01-2015#983823 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot
teward: asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about? https://www.wireshark.org/security/
assbot: Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgh5rX )
teward: because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched
jurov: kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly?
kakobrekla: im not signing it.
phillipsjk: I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected.
jurov: why? and i did not say it must be your signature
kakobrekla: if not mine, imagine one up.
teward: ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o
kakobrekla: idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-]
phillipsjk: teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well.
phillipsjk: I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.)
teward: phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered
jurov: kakobrekla that wouldn't help
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ?
mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
jurov: kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh
kakobrekla: i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed.
pete_dushenski: italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations."
kakobrekla: s/the use/to use
pete_dushenski: cazalla: BingoBoingo https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19244/central-bank-italy-declares-virtual-currency-exchanges-not-subject-aml-requirements/ if you're interested
assbot: Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgk6II )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account.
jurov: kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself.
mircea_popescu: i got one in queue too.
mircea_popescu: jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to
jurov: i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/
jurov: so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway
pete_dushenski: if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it
mircea_popescu: that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine
jurov: but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ?
trinque: ^lol
jurov: mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed
mircea_popescu: jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel.
mircea_popescu: one is stuck with it.
jurov: yes. i agree. so i am stuck with
jurov: 1) downloading db
jurov: 2) doing like query
jurov: 3) getting key by fingerprint
jurov: 4) rechecking the dam sig
mircea_popescu: technically you could just grep the db
jurov: the db cointains users without l2
mircea_popescu: i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches.
mircea_popescu: yes.
phillipsjk: I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it)
jurov: 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches
mircea_popescu: not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself.
mircea_popescu: more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp
jurov: but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism
mircea_popescu: jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it.
jurov: replace 2) by grepping is doable
jurov: but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: or csv for that matter.
mircea_popescu: but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation.
phillipsjk: ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret.
mircea_popescu: not clear anyone will accept that "proof".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent.
phillipsjk: The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it.
phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA
mircea_popescu: was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ?
asciilifeform: dsa
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk are you using proper digests ?
mircea_popescu: iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today.
asciilifeform: was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy!
phillipsjk: DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmHmd )
mircea_popescu: unrelated thread, that.
jurov: apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it
ben_vulpes: why aren't you people using postgres
jurov: it can only change delimiter not escape data
asciilifeform: backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp
asciilifeform: why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction...
mircea_popescu: !shasum derp
assbot: Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'.
mircea_popescu: !shasum wot
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9
mircea_popescu: jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ?
asciilifeform: winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin."
mircea_popescu: yes, she is. not for long.
asciilifeform: might depend on the winblows user, actually
jurov: mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand
asciilifeform: there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces.
jurov: i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server
asciilifeform: the remainder is the more interesting question
mircea_popescu: jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq
jurov: 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. https://community.shaw.ca/thread/18478
assbot: What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB6BSW )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh i c.
jurov: 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server
mircea_popescu: jurov what'd be your ideal model ?
jurov: i described these 4 steps above
jurov: step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2
mircea_popescu: that'd be your ideal model ?
jurov: against local db
jurov: ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ?
asciilifeform: 275919...
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+]
jurov: yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ?
mircea_popescu: i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps.
phillipsjk: I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum.
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot phillipsjk
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
phillipsjk: I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any.
mircea_popescu: "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited."
mircea_popescu: funny how that works.
phillipsjk: Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10352457#msg10352457
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8y1R )
asciilifeform: choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit.
asciilifeform: just as side dish.
asciilifeform: a garnish
asciilifeform: if slightly unsavoury
phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word
mircea_popescu: the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks.
mircea_popescu: at all.
phillipsjk: ..it is.
mircea_popescu: not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ?
mircea_popescu: coprophagiac - someone who eats shit.
mircea_popescu: tis english.
asciilifeform: the king's english, aha
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
assbot: Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zB8S0r )
phillipsjk: (not technically a dictionary)
trinque: it exists because wikipedia... guffaw
phillipsjk: I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based.
thestringpuller: Ephebophilia.
phillipsjk: The UDP flood was almost full packets.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females".
thestringpuller: ;)
phillipsjk: er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too)
mircea_popescu: aha
ben_vulpes: x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day
the_scourge: what wm do you use?
ben_vulpes: stumpwm
ben_vulpes: i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54842 @ 0.00037115 = 20.3546 BTC [-]
the_scourge: "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"."
the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy
ben_vulpes: when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
mircea_popescu: if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it
the_scourge is interested!
phillipsjk: EMACS user detected.
mircea_popescu: !up cjc
the_scourge: woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before
asciilifeform: it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject...
cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at bitcointalk.org for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Df4qHt )
mircea_popescu: not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D
the_scourge: asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people
mircea_popescu: cjc vox populi vox dei yo!
mircea_popescu: the_scourge why not ?
cjc: Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =)
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: opportunity personality?
the_scourge: *and personality
trinque: ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape."
mircea_popescu: kinda how it usually goes huh
the_scourge: i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :(
the_scourge: i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london)
the_scourge: phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw
trinque: the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along
the_scourge: hi from a fellow canuck, btw
trinque: pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself
the_scourge: trinque++
phillipsjk: Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data.
the_scourge: trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore
cjc: There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year.
cjc: I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee.
trinque: the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it
ben_vulpes: <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
ben_vulpes: anywhere.
the_scourge: ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious?
trinque: the_scourge: https://rumpydog.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kenny-big-cat-rescue.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjqfi1 )
trinque: you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom
the_scourge: is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers?
the_scourge: i've been there!
the_scourge: but that's a really fucked up... tiger?
trinque: dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline"
the_scourge: er that's a liger isn't it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes.
trinque: vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going
mircea_popescu: today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor.
mircea_popescu: i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor.
the_scourge: http://votk.org/ < that's the place i think the liger might have died though
assbot: Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjrEoL )
mircea_popescu: stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu.
punkman: Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts."
pete_dushenski: damn, bb was right on the nose!
trinque: railroad's running right on time
asciilifeform: what they did for 3 hours? played cards ?
mircea_popescu: ha, wd bb.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won?
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: i bet that soldering iron is warming up already.
asciilifeform: if not sizzling quite yet
mircea_popescu: turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D
BingoBoingo: Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: minix, rly ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Practicing small
asciilifeform: honest minix or the heretical minix3 ?
BingoBoingo: old minix
asciilifeform: neato.
the_scourge: punkman: link?
asciilifeform: 'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t.
BingoBoingo: Not sure if worked
punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/ross-ulbricht-convicted-of-running-silk-road-as-dread-pirate
assbot: Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjuvya )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125900 @ 0.00036624 = 46.1096 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ill brb
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers
BingoBoingo needs more reads
the_scourge: wtf, that speeds things up a little
trinque: holy *shit*; life in prison?
asciilifeform: now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol
the_scourge: no kidding
trinque: dude's being drawn and quartered as an example
asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually
asciilifeform: if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc
BingoBoingo: But must almost always be some sort of super majority
asciilifeform: civil - no
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes.
asciilifeform: in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: ianal.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: http://fija.org/2014/04/25/jackson-v-louisiana-revisits-non-unanimous-jury-verdicts
assbot: Supreme Court to Consider Revisiting Non-Unanimous Jury Verdicts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjxeYm )
asciilifeform: ^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with
cazalla: seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/
assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjzuPd )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Are you sure?
cazalla: yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay)
BingoBoingo: Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration.
BingoBoingo: !up sergiohlb
cazalla: how's this for a forecast? http://i.imgur.com/s2vBAl0.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjB3wG )
pete_dushenski: cazalla: BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/13TyxDv7
assbot: Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xjBjvL )
pete_dushenski: saved you boys the trouble :)
cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content
cazalla: it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit
pete_dushenski: por supuesto
pete_dushenski: next time: email
cazalla: it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :)
asciilifeform: google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise.
asciilifeform: (why? ask them)
pete_dushenski: following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new
pete_dushenski: it's worked on the playground since basically forever
pete_dushenski: and what is the internet if not a big playground ?
pete_dushenski: some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy,
pete_dushenski: some kids are lighting things on fire
pete_dushenski: others, chasing girls
the_scourge: so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd?
pete_dushenski: which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age
pete_dushenski: see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that
pete_dushenski: so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids
pete_dushenski: but ultimately being slow and a bit greying
pete_dushenski: unless there's a third alternative ?
the_scourge: the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those
the_scourge: i think they outnumbered genetic alphas
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/
assbot: "Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dfg0Cq )
nubbins`: pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch
pete_dushenski: ;;google bogart the dutch
gribble: Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: <http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/humphrey-bogart/>; bogart - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bogart>; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart>
pete_dushenski: should i know this idiom ?
nubbins`: ;;ud bogart
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ...
nubbins`: ;;ud dutch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=going+dutch | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay.
nubbins`: meh on 2nd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74480 @ 0.000364 = 27.1107 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ud smoking dutch
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch&page=2 | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ...
pete_dushenski: lol
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJj0BA )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100661 @ 0.00035948 = 36.1856 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: neatly awkable
ben_vulpes: wd kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: ty
jurov: thanks kakobrekla!
kakobrekla: yw
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
asciilifeform: defeated << how ?
phillipsjk: I think birds eat them.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation
phillipsjk: some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well.
asciilifeform: if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them
pete_dushenski: thought so :)
phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
pete_dushenski: dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people
pete_dushenski: it's probably not a bad gig actually
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.
pete_dushenski: this is no different from what mazarin did
asciilifeform: (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)
pete_dushenski: re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids
pete_dushenski: isn't this a roman thing even?
asciilifeform: the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'
pete_dushenski: (and many others too, i'm sure)
pete_dushenski: well, because "we're all equal"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance
asciilifeform: how:
pete_dushenski: so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild
asciilifeform: inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir
asciilifeform: and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways
asciilifeform: !s tournament market
assbot: 7 results for 'tournament market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tournament+market
pete_dushenski: it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality
pete_dushenski: just to cope
pete_dushenski: (for the kids with no shot)
asciilifeform: let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary
pete_dushenski: are there such sports ?
pete_dushenski: maybe... golf
asciilifeform: that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)
pete_dushenski: where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them
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pete_dushenski: the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes
asciilifeform: or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed
asciilifeform: and this caused a national scandal
pete_dushenski: similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
asciilifeform: no idea re ^
asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject
pete_dushenski: it's not important
pete_dushenski: i get the picture
asciilifeform: 276666 incidentally.
pete_dushenski: chugging along eh
pete_dushenski: i'm heading out tho. cheers!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118339 @ 0.00035815 = 42.3831 BTC [+]
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot-a-disconcertingly-plausible-conspiracy-theory
assbot: The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87520 @ 0.00037162 = 32.5242 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
mircea_popescu: somehow this are questions now.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-lovely-horse-intercept-15-0204.pdf << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMIfau )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hawt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ?
asciilifeform: there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there.
asciilifeform: don't ask me why
asciilifeform: but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig
mircea_popescu: cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: say i gpg to your key next time ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that works
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
mircea_popescu: neh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95400 @ 0.00036332 = 34.6607 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: how so not?
mircea_popescu: if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
mircea_popescu: then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
mircea_popescu: not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?"
cazalla: mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
cazalla: local dialup isp even had bbqs
mircea_popescu: o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
mircea_popescu: in ro in the 90s*
mircea_popescu: jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.
assbot: vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnqU )
assbot: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMMnrc )
mircea_popescu: The well-heeled group seemed receptive. “I think it’s fantastic,” said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. “I’ve never seen anything like this before.” Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, it's an industry now :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://pastebin.com/Hhmy0DUL
assbot: I am a No Limits No Taboo slave looking to be owned by men, women or a couple. I - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzrqhY )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
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mircea_popescu: "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
mircea_popescu: o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52889 @ 0.00036052 = 19.0675 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53190 @ 0.00036335 = 19.3266 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
kakobrekla: no public pastes, no ads
mircea_popescu: yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, barbers as well?
mircea_popescu: cazalla mendicunt monks.
cazalla: i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92910 @ 0.00036335 = 33.7588 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
asciilifeform: i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability
asciilifeform: i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason
mircea_popescu: nono i mean the site specifically.
mircea_popescu: dpaste much better
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/ << lol ok this one i heart.
assbot: Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I477jz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55430 @ 0.00037162 = 20.5989 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: pastebin is verboten
ben_vulpes: constantly adding in dos line endings
ben_vulpes: CANNOT ABIDE
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?
ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mendicunt monks.
ben_vulpes closes the tab
ben_vulpes: >.<
mircea_popescu: it;'s great!
ben_vulpes: what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?
mircea_popescu: mmmm
mircea_popescu: herp-r-us ?
mircea_popescu: snatch-o-mattic ?
ben_vulpes: Mend-A-Cunt™
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: McBox
mircea_popescu: QwikTwat
BingoBoingo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9000912
assbot: IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KesnAA )
mircea_popescu: yay