phf: actual compensation, flag on Reichstag?

phf: perhaps to mount on a wall, framed retro style?

phf: perhaps http://retrodeluxe-msx.org, https://github.com/EtchedPixels/FUZIX alan cox thing, unix that targets z80, builds with pcc

phf: it's a pretty useful behavior

phf: like for example, for stuff in things: if right(stuff): break; else: error("can't get the right stuff")

phf: i think typical refactoring done elsewhere is to put the whole for loop into a small function, replace break with return and then assume that any escape out of loop is an error

phf: or rather an escape out of loop means that nothing was found and the alternative should be taken

phf: otherwise you need to do foo=NULL; for(...) {...}; if(!foo) { ... }

phf: but then you potential run into sentinel issue

phf: named loops in common lisp? i don't actually know the feature

phf: but speaking of v.pl, lines 92-102, is precisely that pattern

phf: in fact in v's case $verified serves no other purpose, but to do the whole for:else:

phf: oh yeah, re lisp, i've not had a chance to use it, but i'm pretty sure i have a bunch of code that does (loop .. do (catch :foo ... (loop ... (throw :foo ...)))

phf: probably can be cleaned up, but where's that catch being interpolated when you do (loop named foo...)

phf: placed in the form that's the result of macro expansion of loop

phf: oh, it's placed around, so (loop named foo ...) == (block foo (loop ...))

phf: ok, on this incoherent note, i'm going to sleep

phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, you can do macroexpand on loop to see what's going on underneath, though it's probably least readable macroexpansion

phf: après nous le déluge

phf: is the idea that ascii can read book, or whatever, can even give me copy to read, or whatever, but ultimately there's not going to be library of b-a, because only relevant knowledge is whatever ascii or i (in this example) say in the logs, how we got there is our own business?

phf: right

phf: well, it's very medieval idea (without the negative connotation) or reminiscent of samizdat culture. scans only come when someone asks for a scan, rather then the other way around, i.e. "archiving initiatives"

phf: asciilifeform: right, i'm not arguing your original statement, just trying to understand this part of thread. if i wanted to grok electrodynamics, can get scan, or easier to just walk to friend and get landau of the shelf. doesn't matter that he has millions of other books, or that there's an archive of book scans somewhere. mp's point seems to be that the activity should be treated as tomb raiding either way, rather then "i have a

phf: library, therefore"