tmsr - Log 2013-11-25

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03289999 = 0.1974 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00208549 = 0.244 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00066 = 1.32 BTC [+]

gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <jurov> thestringpuller: looks like not

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00012482 = 1.2482 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.39 = 1.56 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 472 @ 0.002085 = 0.9841 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.00208549 = 0.8926 BTC [+] {3}

thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov`

gribble: jurov` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <jurov`> oh, wait for the withdrawal symptoms first

dub: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

ozbot: Motherfucking Website

dub: wheres the css

thestringpuller: i think mircea would applaud that site

Namworld: Yeah, but there's a lot of processing power and bandwidth available nowadays. Less agricultural and industrial jobs. We need to do something with all those resources. Why not pay someone for a nice bunch of css and images?

Namworld: When there's more resources than needed, spend it on non-essentials like aesthetics.

Tulak_: morning

BingoBoingo: Morning Tulak_ seems from the logs you've started your reading in period.

Tulak_: BingoBoingo, wait what

BingoBoingo: Tulak_: The period of reading, lurking moar and asking questions before you try to do something.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for your enjoyment: http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I read it and it is beautiful. The amount of disclosure you are offering is great.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: to see 'how the sausage is made.'

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]

Tulak_: a big fuckyou to wifi-usb-adapter manifacturers

Tulak_: go fuck yourselves in the butt you moronfucks

Tulak_: it gave out on me

Tulak_: just like that

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. I don't know what much of the squeamishness about sausage making comes from. Much of the offal going into it includes the most delicious parts of the animal. At least until you start looking at the industrial scale chemical and mechanical processes.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 760 @ 0.00066 = 0.5016 BTC [+]

Tulak_: BingoBoingo, yes I have been lurking a bit more now that I found this delicate channel

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00078047 = 10.3022 BTC [-]

Tulak_: Man+

Tulak_: i'm getting attached to this chat

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3233 @ 0.0001249 = 0.4038 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1011 @ 0.000125 = 0.1264 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4277 @ 0.00078296 = 3.3487 BTC [+] {2}

thestringpuller: We are glad to have you Tulak

thestringpuller: Tulak_ **

thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: lurking only gets you so far

thestringpuller: sometimes you have to do

BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sure

Tulak_: thestringpuller, making me blush

Tulak_: I need a unique nickname

thestringpuller: i guess do while you lurk, and while you lurk-do, affect as little as possible

thestringpuller: we need a tao of of bitcoin

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.0020855 = 0.1481 BTC [+]

Tulak_: Still building my power structure to take mircea's head, eventually

wao-ender: Tulak_: what you are building?

Tulak_: my power structure

Tulak_: as a sith apprentice, I need connections

Tulak_: before I can get a spot in the upper echelon of dromund kaas

Tulak_: man, women wrestling is just odd

Tulak_: they eliminate each other after one move? what the fark

Tulak_: out for a sec

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.15 = 1.65 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 233 @ 0.00066 = 0.1538 BTC [+]

Tulak_: anyone know more about goat of the bitcointalk forums

thestringpuller: what you wanna kno?

thestringpuller: he ran to thailand

thestringpuller: ;;seen Chaang-Noi

gribble: Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> 420, so who is lighting up in celibration? :)

Tulak_: nothing in particular

Tulak_: I just read about people complaining about him on the forums lol

Tulak_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=317726

ozbot: web slicer claimed i scammed him for 10 btc. not true.

kakobrekla: ;;rate mike_c +1 a customer

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.

kakobrekla: ;;rated BingoBoingo

gribble: You have not yet rated user BingoBoingo

kakobrekla: ;;rate BingoBoingo +1 did a thing for me.

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

kakobrekla: ;;rated davout

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kakobrekla: ;;rate davout +1 scammed bettors on bitbet. on a serious note, cool frenchie.

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.

Tulak_: kakobrekla on a ratingspree

Tulak_: multirate!

Tulak_: ultrarate

Tulak_: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmonsterrate

kakobrekla: UT?

Tulak_: Unreal Rating Tournament 2013

kakobrekla: hehe

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 757 @ 0.00066 = 0.4996 BTC [+]

Tulak_: your time is up, my time is now

Tulak_: you cant see me

Tulak_: ;;rate Tulak_ cool guy, is lurker and doesnt afraid of anything

gribble: Error: 'cool' is not a valid integer.

Diablo-D3: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 800.24531, Best ask: 800.30002, Bid-ask spread: 0.05471, Last trade: 803.3685, 24 hour volume: 22477.37901522, 24 hour low: 745.2, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 801.04072

kakobrekla: you even in the wot Tulak_?

Tulak_: no

Tulak_: mircea told me to get into a wot

Tulak_: or wok

kakobrekla: you can get connections without wok

Tulak_: guess its the rating thingy

kakobrekla: and you cant overthrow mp without connections

Tulak_: what

Tulak_: one step at the time

Tulak_: first we topple the pro american government of all european states

Tulak_: and then we will create a socialist stronghold in the midst of central europe

kakobrekla: defo need a wot for dat

Tulak_: well after edward snowden

Tulak_: not many are so pro americano anymore :D

BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Thanks for the rating. you ever manage to find an acceptable bar code scanner?

thestringpuller: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 801.47705, Best ask: 803.39209, Bid-ask spread: 1.91504, Last trade: 803.39209, 24 hour volume: 22521.94931451, 24 hour low: 745.2, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 801.05766

kakobrekla: well, the other one that he suggested kinda sorta does the job according to some sources, but there are better ones outthere, and no I still havent opted for one, i will have to soon though, just in a middle of cockpit renovation and ill have the scanner too by the time im done with it

kakobrekla: unless

kakobrekla: i come up with a better solution.

Tulak_: Wish I had taken the right job 2 years ago

Tulak_: but I opted for a government job

Tulak_: fk that

Tulak_: talk abou better solutions

kakobrekla: the only good job is no job

Tulak_: naw

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.002074 = 0.5185 BTC [-]

kakobrekla: i heard job means just over broke or smth

Tulak_: what

Tulak_: I dont understand :(

kakobrekla: which part

Tulak_: whats over broke

kakobrekla: is it really that incomprehensible?

Tulak_: no, my english sucks

Tulak_: the fault is on my end

kakobrekla: also BingoBoingo, you can get good ones for about 400-500, so a grad for two to go bothways.

kakobrekla: a grand seems silly for such a retarded device, while android phone does same for 20$

kakobrekla: but on the other hand whats a grand vs a million you are protecting

Tulak_: true that

Tulak_: so you are sitting on a million?

kakobrekla: i may or i may not

BingoBoingo: True kakobrekla. With the non-Android phone option you are largely paying for the things you don't have to worry about.

thestringpuller: who in this channel wouldn't be sitting on some money?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 155 @ 0.00066 = 0.1023 BTC [+]

Tulak_: thestringpuller, thats the milliion dollar question

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 48 @ 0.35583375 = 17.08 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34979173 = 0.6996 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.34158235 = 5.8069 BTC [-] {4}

BingoBoingo: ;;rate jurov 2 Holds some of my BTC in his brokerage

gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

BingoBoingo: ;;rate jurov 2 Holds some of my BTC in his brokerage

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jurov has been recorded.

BingoBoingo: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 Making computing sane

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3411 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thanks, but early praise. haven't made much sane quite yet. mebbe driven a few people insane though. perhaps that counts for something.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.34020008 = 5.103 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.34 = 5.1 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, you've increased the standard of disclosure for the development of RNGs more in the past few weeks than NIST has in its existence

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wait till we print the full shebang.

asciilifeform: RNG isn't exactly an unexplored field, but there are many opportunities for fukuppy.

asciilifeform: and much of what's been printed on the subject is garbage.

asciilifeform: the principal twist here is that it isn't enough to print the design of an RNG

asciilifeform: it has to be made of discrete components, that one can reach with a commonplace probe.

asciilifeform: and, if desired, source from any old junk pile

asciilifeform: or country of one's choosing

asciilifeform: all the available commercial offerings (afaik) fail this standard.

asciilifeform: on the contrary, the usual practice is to pot the damn thing in epoxy, or worse

Bugpowder: ;;gribble tslb

gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?

asciilifeform: (e.g. intel's crock of shit)

BingoBoingo: Yeah, also I imagine an RNG is a pieces of hardware where shrinking the node size is detrimental. Probing things best measured in nanometers seems like an expensive proposition.

asciilifeform: an rng integrated on chip is suitable for a game machine and little else. and even this given the condition that the game is never to be played on wager.

BingoBoingo: I imagine the cardono's RNG board might find a market in academia where decent random numbers are needed for certain types of statistical work

asciilifeform: in academia, even the RAND Corp. 'One Million Random Numbers' book would usually suffice.

BingoBoingo: For most purposes I imagine RAND's One million numbers with 100,000 normal deviates would probably be preferable to most current computer RNGs, though the RAND book would be horrible for creating a one time pad.

asciilifeform: the essential, non-negotiable property of an rng suitable for crypto is that its output must not be readily available to the enemy. ☟︎

asciilifeform: this isn't exactly deep science, really.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 570 @ 0.00325042 = 1.8527 BTC [-] {15}

BingoBoingo: Well, that has always been an obstacle to secure implementation of OTP schemes in practice.

BingoBoingo: Shannon security is an awfully elusive thing in reality.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33566666 = 1.007 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 573 @ 0.00321143 = 1.8401 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.335 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: khalil gibran

thestringpuller: Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.

benkay: what kind of hashing scenario would target fpga's well?

thestringpuller: benkay mah nigga

benkay: sup mon cousine

benkay: mah?

benkay: is cousine feminine?

benkay: bah

benkay: it should be cousin. and mon.

thestringpuller: lol

thestringpuller: sup cuz

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.10999999 = 0.22 BTC [+]

benkay: jurov what is this http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE

benkay: dah nevermind.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 142 @ 0.00320373 = 0.4549 BTC [-] {4}

Bugpowder: MIDAS engine up on Gox

kakobrekla: brace for impact

thestringpuller: wait MIDAS is live?

Bugpowder: not sure

Bugpowder: new interface

Bugpowder: at least

thestringpuller: hmm

thestringpuller: what's the action Bugpowder ?

thestringpuller: go short?

Bugpowder: Buying PPC

thestringpuller: stay long?

thestringpuller: PPC?!?

Bugpowder: due to the NYT article

thestringpuller: always new

Bugpowder: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/in-bitcoins-orbit-rival-virtual-currencies-vie-for-acceptance/?_r=2&

Bugpowder: just hit the wire

Bugpowder: who knows

Bugpowder: fuck tha pats

Bugpowder: I have .23 BTC on the Broncos

Bugpowder: was looking so good

thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

thestringpuller: amazing ipo

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

thestringpuller: ;;ticer

gribble: Error: "ticer" is not a valid command.

thestringpuller: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 784.2, Best ask: 792.88996, Bid-ask spread: 8.68996, Last trade: 780.0, 24 hour volume: 19875.24686197, 24 hour low: 751.26582, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 809.82644

thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc

gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.329101 = 3.291 BTC [-] {4}

benkay: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 775.0, Best ask: 786.96996, Bid-ask spread: 11.96996, Last trade: 786.97996, 24 hour volume: 20070.55598152, 24 hour low: 755.0, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 809.53373

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00310138 = 1.5507 BTC [-] {9}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.0031 = 1.86 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: !ticker h am100

assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00310000 / 0.00341661 / 0.00429899 (4748 shares, 16.22208690 BTC), 7D: 0.00270000 / 0.00386841 / 0.00586900 (63718 shares, 246.48727386 BTC), 30D: 0.00270000 / 0.00536566 / 0.00889000 (184192 shares, 988.31198895 BTC)

thestringpuller: ;;ud work

gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=work&defid=682271 | Refers to a supply of contraband to be sold for profit. Distinguished from "stash" or "personal", in that "work" is usually only sold and often con...

ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.17009999 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00310001 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2}

thestringpuller: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 799.88, Best ask: 799.96996, Bid-ask spread: 0.08996, Last trade: 799.96996, 24 hour volume: 19941.45532611, 24 hour low: 758.95852, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 808.62323

thestringpuller: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1311.0243v2.pdf - anyone read this yet?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.09999999 = 0.5 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6161 @ 0.00078257 = 4.8214 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Old news.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.32714285 = 2.29 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 340 @ 0.00308323 = 1.0483 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3999 @ 0.00210022 = 8.3988 BTC [+] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.326 = 3.912 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.325 = 10.075 BTC [-] {2}

thestringpuller: i'm glad bitcoin-assets is on top of everything

thestringpuller: the only channel that actually makes sure the bitcoin world is running correctly

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2721 @ 0.00066 = 1.7959 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1215 @ 0.00066 = 0.8019 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00213581 = 0.8543 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5800 @ 0.00012 = 0.696 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00078142 = 6.5639 BTC [-] {2}

taub: http://www.sierrachart.com/image.php?l=1385364375560.png

taub: hm

mircea_popescu: so ?

taub: i dont know

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00320999 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00335897 = 0.1377 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00078482 = 7.1811 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00078523 = 7.5382 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00077995 = 5.3817 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 800 @ 0.00339411 = 2.7153 BTC [+] {4}

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-930458-we-don’t-use-lube/

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.325 = 6.5 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 57 @ 0.31561403 = 17.99 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.3125 = 3.125 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.3125 = 8.75 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1097 @ 0.00213553 = 2.3427 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 328 @ 0.002145 = 0.7036 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00078538 = 1.021 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 871 @ 0.00214991 = 1.8726 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00215 = 0.9675 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00078545 = 10.4858 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 218 @ 0.00066 = 0.1439 BTC [+]

nubbins`: hi

kleeck: hi

truffles: hi

nubbins`: <--hung over

truffles: noob

kleeck: lol

nubbins`: heh

kleeck: Today is going to be stressful enough without a hangover.

nubbins`: in my defense, i'm up and have eaten breakfast and it's only 8:45

kleeck: Hah.

kleeck: Coffee cures all.

nubbins`: nod, on my second cup :D

nubbins`: we put off a show last night, it went great

nubbins`: and i drank many pints

kleeck: Nice, man!

nubbins`: yeah, it was pretty validating

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3211075 = 1.2844 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7579 @ 0.00010125 = 0.7674 BTC [-] {9}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2421 @ 0.00009607 = 0.2326 BTC [-] {8}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 797 @ 0.00215319 = 1.7161 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 254 @ 0.0022 = 0.5588 BTC [+]

nubbins`: ok, back to bed. try again in a few hours

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36899946 BTC [+]

Guest67219: ;;ticker

gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 831.00001, Best ask: 839.48999, Bid-ask spread: 8.48998, Last trade: 831.00001, 24 hour volume: 19889.29678185, 24 hour low: 758.95852, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 813.17677

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 165 @ 0.00066 = 0.1089 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.36899946 = 0.738 BTC [+] {2}

pascal257: so ukto will announce that he defaulted?

kleeck: Haha. This Newegg lawsuite is awesome.

kleeck: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/newegg-trial-crypto-legend-diffie-takes-the-stand-to-knock-out-patent/

ozbot: Newegg trial: Crypto legend takes the stand, goes for knockout patent punch | Ars Technica

kleeck: "We've heard a good bit in this courtroom about public key encryption," said Albright. "Are you familiar with that?

kleeck: "Yes, I am," said Diffie, in what surely qualified as the biggest understatement of the trial.

kleeck: "And how is it that you're familiar with public key encryption?"

kleeck: "I invented it."

thestringpuller: LOL DIFFIE HOFFMAN?

thestringpuller: said dat

thestringpuller: hahaha

kleeck: :)

thestringpuller: pascal257: you have inside information on the ukyo loan?

thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078521 / 0.00079094 (232388 shares, 182.48 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00080971 / 0.00085604 (1732434 shares, 1,402.78 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082362 / 0.00088996 (5137819 shares, 4,231.62 BTC)

nubbins`: who's diffie hoffman?

thestringpuller: created the diffie-hellman key exchange

nubbins`: i think you might have your names mixed up

kleeck: yea

kleeck: that's not him

nubbins`: diffie is a last name ;)

kleeck: this is Whit Diffie

thestringpuller: OH

kleeck: He worked WITH Hellman though

thestringpuller: yea

kleeck: He is as much a legend.

thestringpuller: too early for me to remember mah history

kleeck: and I love seeing patent trolls get trounced.

thestringpuller: won't patent trolling become obsolete soon?

thestringpuller: if someone patents something in america, just like move to china no?

kleeck: In 1976, he published "New Directions in Cryptography" with Martin Hellman. The paper's cover sheet was displayed on the screen in court.

kleeck: "Is it fair to say that the jury is looking at a little bit of history, in terms of cryptography?" asked Albright.

kleeck: "You embarrass me," said Diffie. "But yes, I think it's fair."

kleeck: You can patent things internationally.

thestringpuller: o rly?

thestringpuller: how does that work?

truffles: lol

kleeck: IPC

kleeck: International Patent Classifications

truffles: why would u avoid paying for some1 else's hard work

kleeck: I wouldn't.

kleeck: Patent Trolls buy patents and then claim they have the rights to things that they often don't.

thestringpuller: Everything should just be open source

kleeck: http://www.wipo.int/portal/en/index.html

ozbot: WIPO - World Intellectual Property Organization

thestringpuller: run SaaS

thestringpuller: if you want moolah

kleeck: I don't believe that's the answer.

kleeck: I do like openSource though.

kleeck: It's ok to own a thing you create.

thestringpuller: If it's art sure.

kleeck: Why does it matter what it is?

thestringpuller: but you shouldn't be able to own something someone else can easily discover

kleeck: Sure.

kleeck: I believe in limits.

thestringpuller: you shouldn't be able to own science no?

kleeck: Define "Science"

thestringpuller: what's next, monsanto starts patenting our genes?

nubbins`: stallman had lucid thoughts on this

nubbins`: anything for the betterment of mankind can't be patented

nubbins`: art/creative things can

kleeck: nubbins`, I think that's a thought worth exploring.

nubbins`: of course, this fails in practice

thestringpuller: kleeck: I use science in the sense of, "a calculus used for discovery", or "something discovered using the scientific method".

nubbins`: because why would you spend $x00 million dollars developing something

kleeck: ^

nubbins`: if you can't make heaps of cash off it?

kleeck: Big Pharma would be so sad!

nubbins`: so would all the people dependent on complex medications

thestringpuller: those patents expire pretty quick

nubbins`: or the ones with diseases for which there is not yet any treatment

thestringpuller: from what I can recall

thestringpuller: the whole "generic thing"

nubbins`: yeah, but there are ways around that

nubbins`: add some useless feature to drug x, market it as x', the new generation!

nubbins`: why the fuck would anyone want shitty generic x when fabulous new x' is available?

thestringpuller: down with Monsanto!!!!

thestringpuller: this reminds me of Venture Brothers

thestringpuller: In other news, I think pizza for coins is ripping off tips: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rezqc/is_pizzaforcoins_ripping_off_drivers_tips/

nubbins`: <Luke-Jr> quickcoin: before the Church, people were just superstitious idiots

nubbins`: oh my sides

thestringpuller: oh that luke-jr

thestringpuller: i love mircea comment on him

thestringpuller: to the public everyone thinks "oh luke-jr is a core developer! what a great guy"

thestringpuller: "Luke-jr is not part of the Bitcoin devteam. He.s a loud and mostly useless contributor, such as pretty much everyone with a github + my cat."

nubbins`: see

nubbins`: i'm pretty sure he's not a troll

nubbins`: but he acts in pretty much the exact same manner as one

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.0022 = 0.4862 BTC [+] {2}

thestringpuller: oh god now I'm deep into trilema again

thestringpuller: this is what happens when you have like 18000 credits

thestringpuller: http://www.leaprate.com/forex-industry-news/entry/korea-decides-to-exempt-bitcoins-from-capital-gains-tax.html - good news everybody!

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]

ystarnaud: too bad thats not the US lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00321297 = 0.2924 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.0030656 = 0.6407 BTC [-] {4}

thestringpuller: ;;later tell jurov` http://pastie.org/pastes/8507471/text

gribble: The operation succeeded.

thestringpuller: ;;later tell jurov http://pastie.org/pastes/8507471/text

gribble: The operation succeeded.

jurov`: i'm here

thestringpuller: oh

thestringpuller: lolol

thestringpuller: well that's the thing I meant to send you yesterday

jurov`: ok, moment

Apocalyptic: .d

ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 709 blocks | Estimated Change: 12.7610% in 4d 7h 1m 45s

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]

nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-banks-to-be-compelled-to-share-clients-info-with-u-s-1.2437975

ozbot: Canadian banks to be compelled to share clients' info with U.S. - Politics - CBC News

nubbins`: if only there was some sort of way to store monetary value without having to use a bank

mike_c: The law forces all banks and other financial institutions outside the U.S. to search for customers who have certain "indicia."

mike_c: nice how we can make laws for the world.

mike_c: you would think the rest of the world would get to vote in US elections in that case.

nubbins`: puerto rico can't even vote, you think they're gonna let canadians do it?

nubbins`: anyway, this seems like a direct violation of the charter

mike_c: which charter?

nubbins`: of rights and freedoms

mike_c: oh that one.

nubbins`: just some silly document we have here in canada ;)

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mike_c: " you know, Americans do not come to Canada for the low taxes," says Wrobel.

mike_c: ^ true dat

nubbins`: they come here for the weed and syrup

mike_c: and skiing

nubbins`: ah yes, and that

mike_c: and cuban cigars

mike_c: lots of good things up north, but low taxes aren't one of them :)

nubbins`: oh right, those aren't allowed down there

nubbins`: well, ya know. gotta pay for the "free" healthcare somehow.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33000005 = 0.66 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.322 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.12814998 = 1.0252 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1500 @ 0.00010509 = 0.1576 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 123 @ 0.003075 = 0.3782 BTC [-] {4}

pankkake: gold thread getting golder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3709382#msg3709382

Guest67219: lordy, there is a continuation nao: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341470.0

dexX7: what's that? thread number 3?

Guest67219: 4+

Guest67219: dafuq my username..

Guest67219: banned on linux, wtf?

ThickAsThieves: scumbag loopholes!

kakobrekla: funny thing is, the bet was open for hours after the price condition was satisfied

deadweasel: dammit pankkake , I thought I would get some work done today. damn you for following gold thread!

pankkake: thankfully I have nothing going on in my life

mike_c: those threads mess up my chi, but they are like a train wreck. I can't not read them.

mike_c: hah! i'm listed in there now. nice.

deadweasel: yeah, that's my last sticking point, because false scammer accusations are scammy.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]

nubbins`: just finished adding up everything from last night

nubbins`: the show/print sale was a success!

deadweasel: congrats nubs!

nubbins`: thanks! all the bands seemed pretty happy with their take, and everyone had a blast

nubbins`: my hangover is gone now too!

deadweasel: a win-win

nubbins`: nod. gonna plan another one for february

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00078569 = 3.3785 BTC [+]

nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/dustin-paxton-s-victim-says-brain-damage-kept-him-from-fleeing-1.2437472

ozbot: Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, En

nubbins`: been following this story on and off for a few years, really fucked up

nubbins`: apparently there's now a publication ban on the victim's name too, for some reason

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.345 = 1.725 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33900011 = 0.678 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.354 = 0.708 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.36308304 = 4.357 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0022 = 1.1 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3391 = 0.6782 BTC [-]

deadweasel: pankkake lol, stuartuk doesn't like your business model!

deadweasel: although business model is a very generous term :)

pankkake: I'm a failed bitcoin entrepreneur

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.36899946 = 1.476 BTC [+] {2}

deadweasel: aren't we all

kakobrekla: nope nope nope nope

pankkake: there's a guy who lost 0.0001 BTC and created a thread about it

pankkake: because of weight+fee

pankkake: the calculator wasn't there at the time, I think

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 55 @ 0.0330029 = 1.8152 BTC [-] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 45 @ 0.03119355 = 1.4037 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3689496 = 2.9516 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 400 @ 0.00250051 = 1.0002 BTC [-] {14}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36899947 = 1.107 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: > Man, the entire world is going to know how they are.

kakobrekla: couldnt have asked for better promo i guess

pankkake: Diablo-D3: prepare to RAGE http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-930458-we-don%e2%80%99t-use-lube/

ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRckgn36lzY

ozbot: James Franco & Seth Rogen - Bound 3 (Vague) - YouTube

mike_c: what does he write these in that he is getting the stupid fancy apostrophe instead of normal %27? i know he wouldn't be writing trilema posts on windows!

jurov`: mike_c: maybe it's turdpress

mike_c: probably

pankkake: wordpress does this by default, yes

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36899947 BTC [+]

pankkake: and it's the correct typographic characters for English. it should replace start and end " too

mike_c: if by "should" you mean "should not", then i agree with you.

pankkake: “I actually have these on my keyboard layout, but often don’t bother using them”

pankkake: what’s wrong with writing correctly?

mike_c: i would disagree with you, but then i would be considered a scammer.

pankkake: :o)

pankkake: he does add spaces before ?! which is highly incorrect however

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 462 @ 0.00344782 = 1.5929 BTC [+] {7}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.36899947 = 11.07 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.36899947 = 4.428 BTC [+] {2}

pascal257: any information on HIF?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.34566664 = 10.37 BTC [-] {10}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.003609 = 0.1371 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 185 @ 0.00330077 = 0.6106 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.03657642 = 0.6218 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.36899999 = 2.583 BTC [+] {4}

pascal2571: someone from the US willing to proxy a packet to the EU?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [-]

gesell: pascal2571: data packet?

pascal2571: nope a physical packet ^^

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.003609 = 0.1696 BTC [+] {2}

BingoBoingo: pascal2572: How big of a packet?

benkay: mircea_popescu: thoughts on switching options from whole-bitcoin contracts to lots of 10k or 100k satoshi?

BingoBoingo: Some interesting news on acoustic networking http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/25/1435200/researchers-build-covert-acoustical-mesh-networks-in-air

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0036488 = 0.1532 BTC [-]

benkay: badbios rising

jurov`: lol splitting options, where did we end up...

kleeck: What do you guys think?

kleeck: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/feds-say-silk-road-suspects-computer-shows-he-thought-he-plotted-6-murders/

kleeck: Is DPR the monster they say he is?

jurov`: did you see they dug out 1000 btc being sent from satoshi to dpr?

jurov`: *were sent

jurov`: http://www.businessinsider.com/satoshi-nakamoto-and-silk-road-link-2013-11 found it

ozbot: Satoshi Nakamoto And Silk Road Link - Business Insider

dexX7: maybe dpr knew that the feds baited him

dexX7: and he ordered the hits to counter :p

dexX7: it's shocking that he has a diary with stuff like "got word that that blackmailer was executed" and no file/disk encryption

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36796666 = 1.1039 BTC [+] {3}

dexX7: http://bitbet.us/bet/618/litecoin-ltc-to-rise-above-10usd-each-before/ done btw

ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 10USD each before Dec 25th

jurov`: thestringpuller around? pm

kleeck: is ltc over 10$?

bwq: yup

bwq: still rising too

bwq: 10.16 atm

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.37528571 = 2.627 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.39333331 = 2.36 BTC [+] {3}

Diablo-D3: [01:24:42] <pankkake> Diablo-D3: prepare to RAGE http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-930458-we-don%e2%80%99t-use-lube/

Diablo-D3: honestly I dont care what mp's blog says

pankkake: don't read, look at the picture

Diablo-D3: oh that

Diablo-D3: I saw the ritz cracker one days ago and already +1ed it on g+

Diablo-D3: actually, I shared it on g+

pankkake: lol, those look like junk food

Diablo-D3: pankkake: basically, she could sue the school system for feeding her kids known toxins that cause irreparable brain damage and death

Diablo-D3: they are junk food, it contains grains

pankkake: only talking about the looks :p

Diablo-D3: pankkake: the blogosphere had a fit over that school

Diablo-D3: they have no right to feed something to kids that the parents have not expressly authorized

Diablo-D3: printing it in a handbook is not authorization

Diablo-D3: but thanks to how the news cycle goes, Ill probably never find out what happens

Diablo-D3: pankkake: lol I just saw your comment

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pankkake: probably only paleo nuts will understand the racist part

pankkake: it's even racist in the liberal sense, as milk tolerant people are mostly white IIRC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00222998 = 0.1204 BTC [+]

deadweasel: Milk tolerant people make me sick.

pankkake: http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661 yup, it's fucking racist

ozbot: Lactose Intolerance by Ethnicity and Region - Milk - ProCon.org

Diablo-D3: pankkake: white because they're european, btw

Diablo-D3: cows were domesticated by either the romans or the greeks, I forget

Diablo-D3: the cows we have now, I mean

Diablo-D3: we've been eating them a lot longer than that, though

kakobrekla: i dunno why lactose intolerant are still alive

pankkake: they're most of humanity actually!

pankkake: I don't know if I am one. I did throw up cold milk once

Diablo-D3: I know Im not one, but Im half german half irish

kakobrekla: its not about what comes out of your moth

Diablo-D3: so that sort of comes with the genes

kakobrekla: mouth

kakobrekla: just what comes out of your ass

Diablo-D3: yeah wha kak said

Diablo-D3: if you get the shits after eating dairy products

deadweasel: naturally we lose lactase enzymes as we grow older (read: away from mommas tits)

Diablo-D3: you're lactose intolerant

kakobrekla: fuck i love tits

kakobrekla: also i like milk

deadweasel: Only bedouins don't, because they've been living on it for a thousand years

kakobrekla: a giant baby.

deadweasel: now they're all trrsts

deadweasel: because milk

ThickAsThieves: i think you can buy titmilk online no?

kakobrekla: i can order room service

ThickAsThieves: the only nonracist option

Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: only in japan

kakobrekla: just takes 9 months

Diablo-D3: and its rather expensive

pankkake: but I've drank hot chocolate milk for a long time

Diablo-D3: honestly, I dont care for milk

Diablo-D3: its too thin

kakobrekla: honestly milk doesnt care for you Diablo-D3

Diablo-D3: like, Ill use heavy cream and cheese, but never milk

kakobrekla: so just part your ways and shut up

Diablo-D3: and very little heavy cream

deadweasel: raw milk and goat milk don't trigger many lactose intolerant people.

Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: heh

Diablo-D3: I spent my entire childhood eating a bowl of cereal ever morning

deadweasel: could be a product of pasturization

Diablo-D3: I wonder how much damage that caused

Diablo-D3: deadweasel: it is

Diablo-D3: pasturization produces many toxins, some of which cause cancer

kakobrekla: well what can you do, even cancer causes cancer

kakobrekla: theres not getting away from it

pankkake: I ate trucks of http://www.kelloggs.com/en_US/HoneySmacks.html and http://www.nestle.com/brands/allbrands/chocapic

jurov`: !ticker m s.mpoe

assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078318 / 0.00078569 (106440 shares, 83.36 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008084 / 0.00085604 (1656724 shares, 1,339.30 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082358 / 0.00088996 (5142119 shares, 4,235.00 BTC)

kakobrekla: even if you nick suggests otherwise, you are a mortal Diablo-D3

Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: I dont believe thats true

jurov`: !ticker m s.bbet

assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00045 / 0.00046739 / 0.00059 (10080 shares, 4.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00061535 / 0.00071 (32042 shares, 19.72 BTC)

pankkake: as entire meals

Diablo-D3: I am mortal _for now_)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13504 @ 0.00009312 = 1.2575 BTC [-] {13}

kakobrekla: you are mortal until you get cancer

kakobrekla: then you are dead.

pankkake: if you kill enough animals you won't get cancer

jurov`: you aren't mortal after death? good to know

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999997 = 0.8 BTC [+] {2}

ThickAsThieves: immortality, only a stone's throw away

drdudebro: how long does it take for a bet to resolve once closed?

drdudebro: the resolution date passed too

pankkake: usually less than 24h