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mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i mean it's not the effect but the cause.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i certainly had one.
diana_coman: I suppose I should rather be grateful that they are dead and so don't get to see indeed how it is there, really.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean it's not the effect of the Dark ages but the cause? I don't quite see it tbh.
diana_coman: I got the other part - which in hindsight proved good training at least - ie if you want something, you gotta do it yourself or forget about it!!
mircea_popescu: but by now, "the west" is exactly in that fucking position, "oh, this is the pizzeria, you can't have some pizza, oh that was the steakhouse where i was gonna take my friend as he was leaving, well... there was a queue so we ended up not going, that'll be our memory of our parting in year Z, how we were gonna but didn't because the regime is a piece of shit"
mircea_popescu: whaack, you did produce grammatically correct trash. i can readily see whence the temptation comes, but what you have to take on faith (lacking as of yet the capacity to for yourself distinguish) is that the various "similarily looking" trilema articles substantially aren't at all similar.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd very much like the redirect-unvoiced functionality already, also.
diana_coman: myeah, I know; I admit that one hand I really didn't believe anyone was so dedicated to my chan and on the other hand I also did not quite grok the extent of disconnect that people can somehow live with.
mircea_popescu: i mean, you can "ban", but the ban's gotta specify something, and whatever it specifies will be an arbitrary, user-selected string, such as ip or box name or w/e
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, so I'll do just that, thank you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:12 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954934 << I've meanwhile reviewed the article http://trilema.com/2019/the-contemplated-update-to-the-trilema-voice-model/
diana_coman: trinque: #ossasepia got so famous and loved that I have dedicated idiots wasting time and space so I really need it; spring is almost here, so will it get done?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:11:06 mod6: I fully agree, mailman is a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 19:52:30 mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know that absolute or relative bigness is a necessity for exhausting Italians.
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i guess medical tourism is a main appendage ofze devil then
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, meanwhile actually found the piece i was looking for. niciodata...
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, totally, that's exactly what i mean, you waterskyiing with the photographer's girlfriend on your back.
BingoBoingo: I don't know that they even impress each other. Too solipsistic, they seem to just be trying to win tourmament markets that don't even have prizes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck it's supposed to even fool ; then again, apparently the last people to have ever had any money, taste, sense or experience died with the millenium. so i guess the fucktards impress each other. it's gotta be, because otherwise the insanity is inexplicable enough -- it's fucking evident they don't ENJOY any of it, protestations to the contrary notwithstanding (or rather, pleading against their case)
mircea_popescu: transparent in various sizes." cuz totally, that's what I'll do with a... water bottle.).
mircea_popescu: and i ask because... wtf, fucking ridoinculous nonsense! Look for them online, it's an ad at the top (for discountmags.com, "Jazziz Magazine - Check Out Our New Low Price"), one on the side (this one for "redbubble.com", "JAZZIZ “Redemption”" by JAZZIZ " -- yes, including the BROKEN crapsoft quotes -- "Millions of unique stickers ready for laptops, water bottles, helmets, and more. Get up to 50% off. Glossy, matte, and
BingoBoingo: Off the top of my head, I do not though it sounds incredibly familiar.
mircea_popescu: i guess this over-optimistic "people are reasonable" tack on my part betrays innocence and little more.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-06#1957921 - thanks; re that hook, I haven't seen it really and I doubt it exists as such; thinking of it, it's more likely to be something of a side effect again of how the water plane, terrain and character sprite interact; for the time being I'll let it be as it doesn't seem a high priority really.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it has indeed everything needed as far as I know and certainly rsa, keccak, oaep, the whole package.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'd very much like to finally move off koch-gpg and so ~anything in that direction is quite of interest to me; I'll gladly help re eucrypt too if/when needed, if that's a block for anyone.
mircea_popescu: which is perhaps a fine candidate of folding in (or at least, that's the general thrust of my comment -- "why do i have to go outside of the v tool for v work ?")
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i managed to get a comment into your mod queue
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:22:10 mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mod6: Alright gents, I'm gonna go make some food here. bbl.
mod6: I appreciate the poking re things TRB.
jfw: observe for instance how the gardener nearly missed a couple patches anyway but I poked, not even being a signer of any as yet
mircea_popescu: i really don't think the known failures of the "engineer" mindset need any encouragement. this whole "i'll overwhelm my horrible idiocy with supposedly worthy deeds" nonsense has little space left to frolic in.
mod6: I like this better than mirrors too, as it seems that those always tend to disappear or end up way out of date without explanation.
mircea_popescu: i don't get the logic whereby anything is ~wanted~ of someone who "disappeared completely"
mod6: I suppose that's fair.
mod6: (I appreciate this discussion, fwiw.)
mod6: I suppose the foundation should maybe have its own blog then.
mod6: jfw: This might be fine, but what if I'm not the guy? Meaning, let's say that there are threads on my blog, people publish stuff in the comments, or wherever on there, i dunno, pingbacks somehow. If someone else takes over, I get hit by a bus, blog goes bye bye from non-payment, what happens to thread on new guys blog?
mod6: But again, if there is going to be a future solution for this in the form of some kind of existing bot extention, then I'm all for that. At least it would, presumably, notify the gardener (somehow) that there is something to inspect.
mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mod6: jfw: aside from a possible mp-wp (future) solution to the issue; several clicks notwithstanding, I mearly worry that somehow, the gardener may simply overlook or miss one.
jfw: "It puts it on me to chase these down" - this seems to be the core of it; why not leave it to the sponsor(s) of a patch to keep their blogs online & organized enough to find patches (category, code shelf or whatnot)? It's then, what, couple clicks per patch or a wget to import to your own collection - trivial compared to the effort of actually reviewing the patch I'd imagine
lobbes: if I ever get the mp-wp logger complete.. well it interfaces with the mp-wp database already so theoretically possible to hook that up to what billymg is doing down the road
mod6: Ok, I saw this in January, I may need to re-read it, but on first pass I didn't gather that this would do what I needed it to do.
mod6: Now the idea to make a bot that would somehow interact with blogs, is an idea I hadn't thought of before.
mod6: I fully agree, mailman is a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
mod6: yes. a bot that would do this over irc, is basically what I've been thinking about.
mod6: I dunno, anyway, I thought it could be good for people to go ahead and submit a vpatch, and seal to the bot, where it can be checked for L1/L2, and stored for the future, all in one place, making less work for the gardener.
mod6: Not that I love having a centralized bot, either. It's just, I'm not 100% sure what the best way to go is on this. The mailing list was centralized, it worked fine.
mod6: TMSR Lords and others seem to publish all their code on their blogs, which, I think is fine. But my hang-up with allowing people to post TRB patches/seals on their blogs instead of sending them in is two-fold: 1) It puts it on me to chase these down. 2) Then I have to place them somewhere for long-term keeping anyway. As we've seen, people's blogs get rather large, hard to find things, or disappear complet
mod6: Now, I've thought that over a bit; the first thing that came to mind was deedbot. However, I think that deedbot probably isn't the right place for developer doodles. Plus, each one costs actual money.
mod6: I find it fairly easy to go and dig stuff up in there if I need to do so. I tried to stand it back up, several times, in fact, since it's home on Pizarro went down. But I haven't been successful there. Upon speaking to jurov about it, he suggested instead that we create a bot for this purpose instead.
mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
mod6: Regarding your question re IRC bot for vpatch submission: I've thought about this quite a bit. And I struggle with this.
mod6: mod6_phexdigit_fix << This one I'd like to put in for sure, as it seems, at least according to my own analysis that this is a legit bug (does anyone disagree with this analysis?). Just would need a simple regrind at this point. Can do this month as well.
mod6: asciilifeform_whogaveblox << I'm more open to comments on this one too, I don't see a big issue with it being in the tree. I'm also using this one in a test environment (for quite some time now). Haven't seen any issues with it at this time. It would need a simple regrind. Can do it this month as well.
jfw: ^ yep, complete non-starter to debug "I'm having trouble with block 00000000...1<snipped>"
mod6: mod6_excise_hash_truncation << This one in particular is nice, and I've been using it in my test environments for a while. I'm fine at this point with adding it in, it just needs a regrind (again). Can work on that this month.
mod6: I've updated the How-To document to reflect that, but otherwise, have had good luck on my own with building. Am interested to hear how it goes for others, though.
mod6: Let me work through these here. Glad you're going to try out a build. Please do let me know how it goes. I did just find three 'gotchas' on CentOS (6.10); whereby 'bison', 'flex' and 'patch' all need to be installed manually. Apparently these are not a part of the default system.
jfw: mod6: glad to see progress on the keccak tree. I intend to take a look at the patches and try a build, might not be for a while though. What I'm not seeing though: what is the status of asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks, mod6_excise_hash_truncation, asciilifeform_whogaveblox and mod6_phexdigit_fix ?
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have posted the monthly report for The Foundation in deedbot ^ and here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_202001.txt
jfw: Not that I seriously think they *should* use those for all numbers, I can't see that being anything short of hideous given that it's C, manual memory management and all, "what do you mean you don't know how big the struct will be"
jfw: ah right, I forgot, in soviet russia if-statement sorts the other way so they had to copy+paste+tweak it for that locale.
jfw: I don't see the 5mb of code fwiw; if you can have nested expressions anywhere, then you get hidden temporary variables, so in principle costs no more to allow them anywhere. That gets to the essential vs accidental complexity though, totally wouldn't surprise me to find 10k LoC in gcc dedicated to compound expressions in if-statements specifically.
mircea_popescu: jfw, i honestly don't like evaluating ifs. there's really nothing gained, besides compiler weight.
jfw: I like the convention in Scheme where such functions are named ending in !, following the builtin assignment operator "set!"
mircea_popescu: i'd say so.
jfw: mircea_popescu: I get the sense this is more about the user than the tool then. I'd reckon it's equally dumb to call a function with global side-effects from an "if" test, since it's supposed to be just asking a question, not "doing things"
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 23:27:44 mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957677 - I'll have more chewing to do on the political philosophy angle but otherwise I think I get this point.
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i'd say it's better than what i ended up using, from the woman's fault, "The term of art for this would be stramula. It comes from a seminal Romanian-language piece on the topic (in which language mula is yet another derogatory term for a stupid woman, not that there's any shortage of these ; whereas stra- is a prefix indicating primacy on the decendency line, sort of like grand in grandfather)."
mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing i could do is take the pre-footnotes starnote, "Mula este femeia medie cu preocupari medii, cu credinte medii, decenta mediu si-n general urmaritoarea de turma. Aia care se imbraca cum se imbraca fetele, crede ce cred fetele, spera sa se marite ca asa vrea mami si crede pe de-o parte ca va fi fericita-n virtutea inertiei si pe de cealalta ca oricine ar trebui sa procedeze exact la fel, pentru ca asa-i B
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957752 <-- approved. I'll be away for the weekend, but will answer as soon as I get back to the desk
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957750 <-- that's been on the to-fix list since I installed mp-wp, I should make it a proper to-do item already
hanbot_abroad: ahahaha mircea_popescu i love that thing. and it's still in vivre sa vie, you just found its hometown ;)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-29 17:38:25 mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
dorion: mircea_popescu thanks. your comments have opened us up though and now I reckon we're more likely to establish the initial working relationship.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957248 - lol, I can see it. a father can in large part be replaced by other positive male role models. I don't reckon cli has a substitute.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957245 - fo sho. after being blind myself for years, I think I'd quit computers in the imaginary hell in which the cli was taken away from me.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957244 - that's the biggest takeaway I have at this point from this. use what they're doing to develop the relationship and earn their trust and use the relationship to then convert them.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957236 - ok, point taken and that for sure helps clarify. perhaps I didn't correctly infer what you meant by not wanting face to face to be feasible though.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:21:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957172 << too long for what lol, i'm still around. now, what are you asking me ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957220 - I know you're around, but fugit irreparabile tempus, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 06:18:27 mircea_popescu: there's also the argument that the compiler's the arbiter of code, and if ~it~ doesn't complain then fuck you. but in any case i really am not advanced enough to have the impression i have something to say on that matter.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-21#1957068 <-- ty and np. I'm a tad behind on that front too, will read and answer asap
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 09:41:00 mircea_popescu: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/2020/botworks-ix?b=But%20what&e=if#select << ahaha ok that was lulzy. i confess it never occured to me it'd work.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957335 <-- yeah, someone accidentally a verb there. seems using CL's built-in reader opens the door to all sorts of weird if improperly handled. I think I got it right this time tho
billymg: > make a select/dblclick NOT also catch the footnote literal anchor << i'm not sure what the select/dblclick is referring to here
billymg: agree, i was hoping to have a fancy demo of footnotes within codeblocks until i ran into the issue of the (()) false positives in some code samples
mircea_popescu: also, i don't think it's intelligent to ban footnotes from code blocks necessarily.
mircea_popescu: i really don't give that much of a shit ; unless it starts getting in my way odds are i'll ignore it. this isn't even laziness or identity as much as actual political philosophy, and as such rather
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-08 12:18:53 btcvixen: i would have been fine if ben_vulpes did not blow up my spot.
mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
billymg: mircea_popescu: also responded to your comment on the post just now, the regex matches content between both open and close delimiters so that's why only adding the / to the close was necessary. i.e. there can be as many [[ in the code as you want and it won't bother the matcher
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957636 << for bash and things like nested lists/arrays (i believe you were the first to point that out to me in an earlier discussion actually)