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ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-21 16:55:04 jfw: Indeed mom taught me the English cases (though perhaps not the fucking cases) and sentence trees while the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma taught me handwriting exercises that the second grade couldn't be bothered with
jfw: Indeed mom taught me the English cases (though perhaps not the fucking cases) and sentence trees while the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma taught me handwriting exercises that the second grade couldn't be bothered with
jfw: I'll pass along the invite, why not. She gonna need a GPG key and everything? :D
mircea_popescu: jfw, tell mom to come in sometime, i wouldn't mind commissioning ru versions of some trilema articles from ye 30year veteran editor of the executive intelligence review.
mircea_popescu: "It is salutary to remember that the majority of English mother-tongue applicants for translation posts in the European Commission fail because of the poor quality of their English." << i lulzed.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me the rather ridiculous ustardanism of "i think i know how to spell my own name" passed unadressed in the melee. so let it be said plainly then : this notion that rando mcnobody is nevertheless the authority on the spelling anf pronounciation of the label denoting them socially is little more than quaint provincial affectation. it enjoys neither respe
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2020/a-homework-assignment-from-diana_coman-trawling-ancient-pms-seeking-what-worked-for-early-qntra-and-where-im-at-on-scripting-a-conversion-engine/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- A Homework Assignment From Diana_Coman: Trawling Ancient PMs Seeking What Worked For Early Qntra And Where I'm At On Scripting A Conversion Engine
mircea_popescu: oddly i can't find havng discussed that whole pile of unicode breakage in the logs -- though i'm pretty sure i said something on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: i very vividly remember the STRIVE, the fucking indomitable drive of black people in the 70s an' 80s to catch up, to become, to civilize, to build up their countries. it started in the early years of the century, with luminaries like the emperor of ethiopia ; it bulked out and by the 70s it was a deluge.
mircea_popescu: which, sadly but painfully, has been my experience of europe. i took a coupla sluts born in the colonies to take in the glories of the motherland, and the motherland meanwhile's turned 100% chad.
mircea_popescu: sitting at the gate tryina figure it out. "do these people hate english ? or everything other than english ? hmmm!!! my premise could not possibly be faulty, i'm a literate veal that can spell his own name, just look at this last cowpie, how well it speals -- VEAL!"
mircea_popescu: for my sins i find myself surrounded by the problems of my ancestors, which i guess is making them happy. fucking hell.
jfw: I took it as, "wait wut, do these people hate English or everything-but-English??"
jfw: mircea_popescu: ah no, the line he and then I attempted to link was "The English sources at my disposal underwhelm, so let's instead take a stab at the Latin beneath."
mircea_popescu: i dunno what some illiterate moron deems problematic about that sentence, maybe it's the vocabulary, such as the word "sin". god knows they have vocabulary problems all the damned time.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958342 << i dunno, i was trying to unravel a disorderly ball of poorly made references by the illiterate farmhands of the object-oriented cvasi-programming cult.
mircea_popescu: illiterate users of spellkits for their own name seem to me less desirable than literate people, so whathevers. i guess the practical difference between musl and say python is actually nil, and if you want to use it you'll have to fork and maintain it.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958336 << i guess. these retrospective statements of "what was ALWAYS most important" rather evoke dreamstates. if the person in question was in fact literate, he'd have linked the historical statement, rather than provide an ad-hoc reintrepretation of what he currently thinks was "always" the most important.
deedbot: hanbot updated rating of asciilifeform from 3 to -1 << For all his pretensions to personhood, this guy actually needed me to save him from a hotel bill he couldn't handle as he was too stupid, neglectful, or both, to check out on his own. Years later he's decided to keep raging against acquiring basic skills by attempting to tarnish those who tried to help him. In a word, the ficklest friend I ever thought I had.
jfw: easiest way to "resolve" the nonexistence of a singluar "people's interests" I guess
jfw: ...or I suppose he does that too, hm.
jfw: Latest from the musl thread, from the main guy Felker: https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/02/19/4 ( http://archive.is/maiqg ). In brief - perhaps I'm underinformed on specifics but in general full unicodeism has been their goal from the start
jfw: trinque: hm, I thought you had implemented selection there but doesn't appear working.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958204 - I'll be so kind as to fix the reference for him; I suppose raster graphics must seem as good as text when your alphabet is unbounded: http://trinque.org/2019/12/29/a-republican-os-part-2/?b=The%20English&e=.#select
mircea_popescu: i can kinda see it in their eyes of the mind.
mircea_popescu: anyways, contrary to the purportings and pretences traditionally required by their culture, i do kinda suspect ye pantsuit gets pretty well overwhelmed in this here copacetic copse of #trilema
mircea_popescu: i guess they'll have their own cristian topescu. it's unavoidable.
diana_coman: the things I still...know; lolz.
diana_coman: I winced at cristian topescu recollection as I can still hear the descriptions of figure skaters' costumes, colours included, argghhh.
mircea_popescu: but i hope that she's regarding her death with the requisite superior detachement, feigned as it may be. "well... that didn't whelm!"
diana_coman: I honestly thought he meant whelp!
mircea_popescu: but then again i suppose that's what an expert polyglot is all about : one who speaks fifty languages in one, by inventing an imaginary "whelm" and perhaps typesetting everything in japanese.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is the very lulzy soviet-style gerontocracy involved. i mean, they've nobody but 90yos left to "leadership" them, and if they need somebody to star in a tv production it's gonna be a dude born in the 50s ?! still, today as in 1970, as in 1980, as in forever, the heroes of socialist labour are the same exact physical items ?
diana_coman: I am still shocked at the idea that ...uhm, was Laurie...hot? as in ..ever?
mircea_popescu: anyway, at least i found out there's nothing on tv without having to buy one.
tecuane: this was less whelming than i expected
tecuane: welp my time is up and i didnt really learn anything i already knew apart from mircea_popescu likes using the synonym feature of microsoft word a bit too much and the dislike of translations is actually just not liking other languages as opposed to "there might be bugs"
mircea_popescu: o god, this is the funniest thing i heard all day.
jfw: mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean, I don't think clooney's involved
mircea_popescu: no dood, they're just fucking stupid. i watch 1970s adriano celentano made-for-tv movies recently tho, so it's pretty much the same thing.
jfw: (from the very little I saw.)
mircea_popescu: well, i did like seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what's house md, but you've such a terrible record answering these.
mircea_popescu: i keep slavegirls dood, wth are you talking about.
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care if you put a "you're beautiful today" motd in your libc. but i also can't use such a libc, so i'll have to fork it if i want to use it. which is the whole point here.
tecuane: probably not because i dont spend my time coming up with cool linguistic comebacks in the shower in my downtime from removing other languages from my libc tbh
jfw: The OO discussion must make us class-ists too I suppose!
mircea_popescu: i've not seen it in good code. i don't mean recently, i mean ever.
tecuane: i see it absolutely plenty in code that isnt mine
tecuane: i feel like that may be the other way around
jfw: I at least haven't written a class except as required for Python exceptions in years
mircea_popescu: i suspect you might have been somewhat isolated for a few years, but i have no way to answer your "in what universe" q, for lack of an indexing mechanism. in not-yours ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i thought you were just a biorobot.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I was trying to not shock tecuane with this notion that it being a public chan there are actually *other* people reading and talking and generally participating.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i would say unicode is the poster child for what broken code even means.
mircea_popescu: i am not much of a citizen, so i guess ?
mircea_popescu: aite, so you two carry on in pm, i have no objection.
mircea_popescu: that's not exactly what's jhappening lol. the republic's an actual thing, distinct from i.
tecuane: i didnt realise i would also be talking to someone who writes in riddles and screeds, using the royal "the republic" instead of "i"
mircea_popescu: well, he voiced you, so i guess that's what he meant.
jfw: tecuane: I have no problem at all with what languages people represent on their computer, the more the merrier; I very much have a problem with extra code (+ potential bugs) being added to my computer to support it in core system utilities
mircea_popescu: tecuane, i suppose you read my pov re the issue you're discussing. there's a log : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958186
tecuane: tf did i just read
mircea_popescu: ll be personally impacted by not being able to represent the "japanese current era" -- something i'm apparently able to represent right now, without using unicode for it (so perhaps, i'm saying, the problem is in the schmuck in question's own head). that'd be it really, do your best under the constraints as they are."
mircea_popescu: anyway, your statement is i guess something along the lines of "look, good fellows, your theory as to how users matter is not an argument in the direction you wish to construe it, but exactly opposite. the republic specifically does not want there to be unicode support. if you implement it, that means the republic will fork and maintain your thing pre-implementation. if you do not implement it, some schmuck somewhere wi
tecuane: so i am confusion
jfw: hi tecuane, I understand you're here about musl translations
mircea_popescu: i suppose so.
jfw: I suppose what happens is the gravedigger who fancied there might be some life in the bodies gets convinced otherwise. From the first response: "Unicode 12.1 added the symbol for the new Japanese era, Reiwa Era. You will be unable to represent current dates in the Japanese calendar without this update." ; "I have been personally impacted by the lack of [political sort order]" ; "No one user
mircea_popescu: i don't expect much happening in that sense. if you bury the dead rather than let them rot under the bird-ladden sky, what happens ?
diana_coman: bvt: cool, I'll give it another spin, hopefully soon.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:08:08 mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, s
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958160 - ok. I'll work on asking smart questions more often to replace the bad habits of jumping back and forth between a) staying silent and b) jumping ahead with excess optimism.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958157 - I figured he'd at least show up to ask questions, but I see now if that were the case it would've been done the 5th or 6th or sometime before the 15th when he published
dorion: a reason I read the logs w/o talking was that very "try and figure out how to conduct myself such that the others don't puke." as I had puked myself reading the various douchebags.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958151 - hm, yeah. it did seem that I was forcing it a bit. I just now brought up the eulora comms protocol and tmsr rsa specs as first examples that came to mind to drive your point home further. I ought to have taken
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:47 dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958136 << i'd say you got the right idea here, manifest.txt is an add-only buffer, attempts to modify it ~= pirate patch.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: yet one in three or four or whatever's still way the fuck more than absolute zero, which is what you'll get out of "hey, [name i picked out of the hat], do [thing i picked out of the hat]".
dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
bvt: diana_coman: ty for spotting this. i will regring vpatches p.1 and p.2; i wanted to make the vpatch p.1 name the same in manifest and file system, but did the wrong thing there just editing the line from previous vpatch in vpatch p.2.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-16 03:25:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-15#1958115 <-- approved meanwhile, will answer as soon as I get back to the keyboard
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
lobbes: I'll keep you posted
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: in other bot news I ditched that last host and found a new one on Friday; they claim 48 hours to deliver so I'm expecting it'll be ready for me to start setting it up by probably Wed. This new host is in Brasil btw
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958115 << the toilet vps lobbesbot is on is down again. Will see what they say. (honestly atm lobbesbot has ~only two used commands: !Qlater-tell and !Qcalc ; instead of finding a new home for lobbesbot I'd rather just make another bot do those and retire the thing. But I've got other botworks in the queue)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-15 22:52:40 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-15#1958115 <-- approved meanwhile, will answer as soon as I get back to the keyboard
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: !!later tell spyked you know i got a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: i seriously do not wish to hear anymore from you. if all you've got inside is in that vein, do me the favour and make that your last word.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/15/the-i-eye-and-aye/ << Ossa Sepia -- The I, Eye and Aye
mp_en_viaje: i just temporarily lost the services of a laptop through the cord sparking in the exact same way. fucktards.
whaack: mircea_popescu: noted. what I gather is I tried to use a style I dun understand and created something amusing in the “laugh at” rather than “laugh with” sense. When you say the various “similarly looking” articles substantially aren’t at all similar - did you mean that the trilema articles are not similar to each other or that they’re not similar to what I produced?
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the math... actually, i suppose i might as well make this an article huh. brb
diana_coman: I can see it.
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd rather have some basic tools finished first ; but anyways, how do you reason ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, perhaps I can see the "retreat" as that ie why not cooperate with the rest so that maybe one does x and another y and so on; rather than each tarabostes-style; but otherwise, I don't think there was much *else* to do.