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mircea_popescu: (and incidentally, a process for price formation was actually proposed, back in the pre-pizarro tmsr isp days : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i might as well put it in the open : if anyone in the l1 / my wot is trying to buy bitcoin but has trouble doing so, i'll sell you a few as a courtesy so we don't find ourselves in this situation where clerical difficulties enact a division in the republic.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that this is the only viable pill
trinque: one option would be to formalize the process and present it to the wot; surely there's a few grand of buying per month on rotation at the very least
trinque: doesn't look like the whole picture, but I'm not going to piece it together myself
asciilifeform: trinque: see today + yesterday invoice
mircea_popescu: coupla grand or something like that if memory serves
esthlos: gotta hit the sack for now, vtron tomorrow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be fair , pizarro dun necessarily need usd-flavour printolade, comceivably other flavours would suffice
esthlos: but i don't know, probably just have to grow up
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "i have no proof free market in btc exists as i've not given much of a shit re usd thence", but really now, how often needs the dough be proofed ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ~only time i was specifically interested, ie, when the question of defeating argentina's whore in the election was on the table, i personally moved macroscopic piles of dough for the purpose, with little difficulty.
esthlos: trinque: that's rather interesting. anyway, I'm sure you see the dilemma: everyone "successful" around me sees no fundamental problem with usg system, and when you say "this spec is atrocious; have you ever heard of the CLHS?" or any infinite variation on that theme, the only response is incredulity. but what, somehow I have the magic sauce and everyone around me is wrong? this is my current resistance to trilema thought
mircea_popescu: i have yet to see a round wheel (to arbitrary standard of roundness).
trinque: they suck, you know how to push the buttons and make 'em go this way and that, enjoy it
asciilifeform: i don't demand the frictionless wheel, mircea_popescu . but currently all of the 'wheels' aint even round.
mircea_popescu: this is a perpetual problem in time-settled deals, hence "cure period" trinque was mentiuoning etc
trinque: esthlos: doesn't seem to me that the compartmentalization is anything other than a skill. only why be sad about it
mircea_popescu: well, alternatively they charge an insurance. what third option is there ?
asciilifeform: afaik each and every one of these, is guilty of selectively cancelling orders when exch rate swings wrong way
mircea_popescu: this "trade without physical existence" strikes me to come out of the same pot as "extrasensory events". really, ghost can interact with matter now ? how, prythee ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i struggle to conceptualize what it is you want here, in a way that'd take it out of storytelling and into reality. there's outfits selling gold for btc -- but they have to send it somewhere. iirc one even permits you to pick it up... but ummm... HOW are they to know "you" are picking it up ? and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking of usg-style kyc, with 'scans', 'where is the money from', clawbacks.
asciilifeform: for so long as we're actually smaller than the goxes collectively
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, only for as long as they got the 50k or 1 btc. ☟︎
trinque: aaa that's it! too bad search hasn't eaten the linked items yet
asciilifeform: but then anyone can come and work heat engine against usl
mircea_popescu: anyway, your 1 criterion is impossible -- to wire, must know at least an iban.
asciilifeform: suppose we proclaimed , like ussr proclaimed for ruble, that btc is worth , e.g., 50k usd ea. nao and 4evah
asciilifeform: it bothers me that i can't even picture what a successful cut away of goxism would look like.
asciilifeform: witness, even we, poll goxes to get 'usd rate'
mircea_popescu: anyway, what exactly is the standard you're following here ?
asciilifeform: aa so absorbed into the beast then.
mircea_popescu: i haven't been following so closely. iirc they at some point wanted i dun recall what paperwork, i sneered and turned off the light.
asciilifeform: where is it now tho?
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, many moons ago i eg sold some coins on an outfit davout worked for at the time ; they showed up in bank as advertised, closed at price as advertised etc.
trinque: esthlos: I was looking for the thread where mircea_popescu mentions minds leaning schizoid or paranoid
asciilifeform: on top of this, i haven't, i suspect, the table stakes.
asciilifeform: if there is an actual free market in btc, i've never seen it, smelled it, heard it.
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of a market in which large packets are advertised. the best kept secret of any brokerage, say, is when large packets are bought or sold.
trinque: so where'd you want them to buy again?
trinque: asciilifeform: lol, you'd rather they move the market like crazy each time?
esthlos: to be clear, model A is standard USG model, where I most clearly see the fraud in the tech (if you recal, my original draw here was lispm, after I read history and saw current state of retardation), and model B is trilema, as I'm beginning to understand it
asciilifeform: the lack of closed model suggests that large fiatola holders prefer to buy coin on the sly or not at all. which makes sense in light of cowardice.
mircea_popescu: but yes, broadly speaking, the model is either closed or recycled, as you say.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you know, can sell these chunks at auction, like usg pretends to have done. or w/e.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was running a miniature ver of this, for pizarro, could say.
mircea_popescu: they're not expensive to set up.
esthlos: that I'm encountering two incommeasurable pictures of reality, and instead of solidly believing one, I try to straddle the gap. but this fails and always leaves me babbling incoherently
mircea_popescu: if, eg, i had found of bitcoin in 2015 as opposed to 2011, i might have conceivably bought a card concession like the debit store cards things, and simply offered it to the world until i had bought enough
asciilifeform: if the system has a usd intake.
asciilifeform: this immediately comes back to the thief wires thing then.
asciilifeform: and given as there is no serious market to reliably sell btc for printola...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps naive model, in asciilifeform's head, but it would seem to me that in order for it to exist, it has to be either massive bag of usd , which eventually runs out, or to include a recirculator, i.e. some way to sell btc and get usd, in the system
mircea_popescu: all sorts of thing "exist" as far as google's web of lies is concerned, and then disintegrate into the usual http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ at the slightest examination.
asciilifeform: did this ever exist ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, it worked the other way, spend bitcoin to get this usd credit. you know, ~debit~ card.
asciilifeform: Mocky: no, and don't intend to.
esthlos: presteigous company full of smart people, 100+B USD in assets, and tech is all microshit, aws, scala... what the fuck do I believe
Mocky: gotta ask, has asciilifeform done such disclosure in the past and regrets?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:02 mircea_popescu: the only known pill to the mess being a sort of encapsulation, "the worldview from x priors through y structure is z" ; which is why disciplines such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815636 are even interesting to the thinking man. it's not that "in reading ancient cuneiform i gain a new skill of flour and water mixing into novel bread", but it is that "in managing to regard the world through the eyes of a reconstructed
esthlos: in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817320 , trying to reconcile the sheer fraud of USG technology has driven me to the limits of sanity for a number of years now, and even with trilema providing the only solid counterstructure I've found, I do fragment when very successful (in USGland) people around me see no fundamental problem with USG system ☝︎
asciilifeform: i for one will take vulns to my grave, rather than 'responsibly' give to microshit for a pot of taxolade.
douchebag: Well I would much rather be paid for finding a vulnerability than go and exploit it and risk going to prison
douchebag: Well, you see how this would be a bad business strategy?
asciilifeform: douchebag: hence 'ideally to terorists first'
douchebag: Thus, making it impossible for terrorist to exploit
douchebag: Well, not exactly since the vulnerabilities are being patched
asciilifeform: i.e. to terrorists first and foremost. failing that -- to public.
asciilifeform: the only responsible, in actuality, disclosure, is one that deals maximal damage to the fucking great satan.
asciilifeform: douchebag: do you understand that it amounts to keeping secrets for usg, in exchange for hush money ?
douchebag: Aside from that, I don't really see what's bad about a responsible disclosure policy. I don't believe that asking people to not fuck your shit up in exchange for payment is too much to ask
asciilifeform: i.e. became instant magnet for 'carders' from every corner of planet, and burned at the stake.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: well, do you then see how this is the only available blade of "fiat corrupts" for the empire ? dull and small as it is, it's their mangy goat, one and only.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that, to the extent 'bitcoin plastic' had a physically real existence, however brief, it was stung to death by a million http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816727 flies ☝︎
douchebag: Well I've been paid via bitcoin through hackerone before. Oh and yeah, I don't agree with the code of conduct shit either, but it's whatever. It's worth considering that all of these companies have a dedicated security team patching the vulnerabilities found, triagers are being paid to validate reports, and obviously people who make these reports are being paid.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817305 << and how do you get out of bed in the morning with that assumption ? severe cases of this were documented, in the early days. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-20#682845 say.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817334 << how else can I make the probability as low as possible that I'm not missing something crucial? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it is not always the case one can take the contents of webpages at face value.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, in the same vein, "various outfits offer bitcoin plastic" as per recent piece hanbot published.
asciilifeform: not to mention toy/childrens bounties
mircea_popescu: trinque, for instance. or maybe there's a great book awaiting the writing in there ; or a great woman he's not yet met, or nobody knows the future. which is why the "things not to do" list is so fucking short and vague.
trinque: and hey, for all I know there's money to be chumped out of the webturd security racket and into bitcoin, and he's just the man to do it.
trinque had not read the barometer piece, hilarious.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, there's a usg-reservation in mexico. there's however also the headquarters of the only military force to humiliate the usg at home to date, they pretty much conquered the old mexican lands well into arizona. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:58 douchebag: However, I'm not sure if that's a fight they will be able to win in the longrun
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817316 << there's also that historically, "decentralized banks" were deemed an evil which people sought protection from. ☝︎
Mocky: I've never been, but a look at job listings for mexico city features tons of amzn, cisco, jpmorgn, ibm, honeywell etc.
mircea_popescu: "so what's wrong with following social convention ? it has its uses, such as you know, the rote possibility of meaning in language" "sure. there's nothing wrong with following social convention. but there's plenty wrong with attempting to enforce it on unwilling participants. maybe they have good reasons they're not following it ~in that case~."
mircea_popescu: "the student should just have played along with the http://trilema.com/2014/kink-high/ du jour" "perhaps the student should have, but we're gathered here specifically because we don't."
mircea_popescu: https://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~steve/astrophysics/webpages/barometer_story.htm << for the future reader.
mircea_popescu: are you aware btw of that great write-up of the stubborn physics student ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 02:53 trinque: douchebag: what do you make of the notion that the "consumer economy" will not last forever?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817310 << fucking can't have 1600s style "examinations on the doctrine of the faith", chiefly because of goedel's objection. our doctrine is not actually either complete or coherent. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-05-20 13:40 mircea_popescu: there was a necrodearia/mizerydearia character active 2009-2011ish, the utter epitome of it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817305 << and how do you get out of bed in the morning with that assumption ? severe cases of this were documented, in the early days. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-20#682845 say. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
douchebag: Linux version 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 (builder@kbuilder.dev.centos.org) (gcc version 4.8.3 20140911 (Red Hat 4.8.3-9) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Thu Mar 31 16:04:38 UTC 2016
mircea_popescu: did they use weak debian too, to prove the point re rngs for your benefit ?
douchebag: Here's their /etc/passwd file for anyone interested
douchebag: Just found a local file disclosure vulnerability in the UK National Health Service