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Framedragger: "mp posts on his blog a lot"

phf: so in other words he posts to hackernews a lot

Framedragger: phf: but he did produce a valuable corpus of comments on HN, incl. decisive critique of cryptocat, etc etc

Framedragger: phf: matasano crypto challenges and the new crypto ctf thing he and others did (i didn't try it) are a great public service; i mean the challenges start simple in the beginning but if one followed them to the end, actual reading of recent crypto papers would be required etc.; surely that counts as something? he didn't pioneer anything in crypto, sure.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah that is fair, too, though i maintain that anyone using any such implementation is an irrevocable shithead and phuctor won't do them much good anyway - but maybe it will, i don't know; and phuctor is a needed public service anyway (so i'm not arguing against that, ftr)

mircea_popescu: this disregard of the cockroach births register can't possibly be a criticism of me.

phf: mircea_popescu: ptacek is a "security expert" and founder of a security company matasano. he posts a lot to hackernews, and is regarded as authority. a simple question "what did ptacek actually did" usually doesn't produce any answers though

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this then is a critique of sks keyservers, strictly. there was a thread on their ML, they rejected the idea of rejecting such subkeys (...)

mircea_popescu: Framedragger suppose i do that, and i get a message from a woman who thinks i'm him, and take her out to coffee and she brings me seven children over thirty years.

asciilifeform: 'yellow pants' is a byword, on ru-lang forumz, for 'ranking gentleman for no particular reason but shuddup and suck plebe'

Framedragger: asciilifeform: oh i won't argue with that! well, of course. but say i took your pubkey and generated a subkey for it and uploaded that subkey (it wouldn't import into gpg). would you truly care?

mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik it imports but warns, and you can run it in a context with warning supressed.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor, today as in 2013, is strictly a 'transform T was applied to input I, which you can get here and here, and produced output O, downloadable here' affair.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-467.207-467.303 << with regards to "may have", can't see how that could be a problem - would be non sequitur masturbation on my part for sure; but the selected text - "Some are not signed at all - which notably means that yes gpg will import, and yes gpg will use." - does gpg actually

phf: for extra point, without doing a google search

Framedragger: asciilifeform: apologies if i am mistaken here, but iirc phuctor was reported to have cracked some pgp keys when at that point in time none of the keys cracked had valid self-sigs. the presentation from tmsr (trilema/phuctor) to me appeared to have overstated the results, so to speak. (but then later subkeys with valid selfsigs were found, iirc). this isn't a technical point, i suppose.

mircea_popescu: (other than in a discussion with the sort of imbecile typified today by hasimir, i dunno either of us gives half a shit.) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (on the sub-subject of "defending the power of phuctor's results" << it is entirely reactive. just as doctor defending the power of sanitation. in some contexts it's the only thing a doctor can say - and he can be rendered "ridiculous" by insisting on presenting him in that context, but really, the joke's on the unwashed.)

mircea_popescu: i perceive the following problem : in my (rightful) bashing of idiocies (allinged around "colored coins", "dao" etc, that jazz) i distinctly hear the crushed hopes of people who look at those as a refuge from something else, specifically. i suspect it's hwqat you call "anarchists" ☟︎

Framedragger: as in, any claims to the contrary (of the power of those results) are attacked with such force that it hints at some kind of defensiveness; but perhaps this is precisely what it means to have a political position.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you have a factual criticism of whichever phuctor output, this here's the place.

Framedragger: there is a danger of one presupposing the veracity of their own's truths, but this isn't exactly an original thought or anything; just, well, i *do* observe yourself and alf defending the power of phuctor's results almost a priori as it were;

asciilifeform: and american supermax prison feels like paradise to a fella who sat in a kazakh zindan.

mircea_popescu: certainly liked it a shitload more than kruschev's su. which is the fucking point the idiot elides. the LEADER is ~the only concern.

asciilifeform: the one where 'america is with us, you are a fool to resist'

trinque: asciilifeform: they're a class of mimics; of course they don't know or care where facts originate.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah there's a slippery slope there, i guess.

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 << point of frustration acknowledged; however, ftr it *does* irk me when $empire$ does it; i don't point fingers at *that* here because there's a point of exhaustion and tiredness re. the latter (*not* learned helplessness / acceptance, note), and it appears to be sufficiently covered by others here :) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but really, obscure open sores neckbeards on a nowhere list ? what the FUCK is wrong with brains that makes them rot so.

mircea_popescu: "I doubt this will ever happen. Even he never cracked any PGP keys at all, the FUD he spread around was a nice way to get some free advertising. Look, people saying his name on gnupg and enigmail lists, which are quite popular I believe." ☟︎

asciilifeform: well i dun have a stable of gurlz, and so end up like the folks in the old german '1 man bands', with toe-operated drum, arse-operated trumpet, cock cymbal, etc.

asciilifeform: what's a sm gurl

mircea_popescu: of course, the general point here being that we're seeing a lot of suboptimal allocation. why the fuck are you doing the job of sm gurlz, and poorly, alfie ?

danielpbarron: asciilifeform, thanks but I mean i've had /mode +b set on me in all three channels at some point, not that I can't read the public log, or even re-join today. Although my IP does appear to be banned from accessing b-a public log

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ipnoje is a thick aluminum can.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 13:35 boolcrap1: i really need to find my phone tho, is there a tool that can locate metal on the ground in a wide area?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523044 << a) not much metal in phone ; b) yes, treasure hunters keep going beachcombing etc with it. ☝︎

danielpbarron: not as good a pig wrestler as asciilifeform I guess

a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 13:17 Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won't cause a problem for ya.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523032 << there is a major difference between scientific speech and political speech. i don't care about the stupid conclusions random nobody arrives at. the moment however he emits judgements of value that happen to contradict mine, i no longer care HOW he arrived at them, merely that he stated them. ☝︎

asciilifeform: what else can cargocult do. you expected a working plane ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now there's a bunch of wanna-be this chan scattered around huh.

mircea_popescu: this is one hell of a morning.

asciilifeform: '“Without a doubt, they’re the keys to the kingdom,” said one former TAO employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal operations. “The stuff you’re talking about would undermine the security of a lot of major government and corporate networks both here and abroad.”'

asciilifeform: <gribble> Sent 13 minutes ago: <Hasimir> a lot of allegations were made based on some corrupted data found on a single keyserver, yet none of the challenges or even queries from regular posters to gnupg-users were even responded to.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 07:16 mircea_popescu: lo and behold that by august those two barely hold on to a third ; and there's a dozen or so pools over 1%.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 07:13 mircea_popescu: as there's not a single 0 tx block in there, seems the fee market has actually done a lot to fix various historical mining problems.

boolcrap1: i really need to find my phone tho, is there a tool that can locate metal on the ground in a wide area? ☟︎

boolcrap1: i actually finally got a new motherboard

Framedragger: (not that this makes phuctor any less worthy of a project)

Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won't cause a problem for ya. ☟︎

Framedragger: "It takes 4 seconds to generate a colliding 32bit key id on a GPU (using scallion). Key servers do little verification of uploaded keys and allow keys with colliding 32bit ids. Further, GPG uses 32bit key ids throughout its interface and does not warn you when an operation might apply to multiple keys."

a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1521780 << these take at worst a ~week of (a very modest) cpu, to generate.

mircea_popescu: lo and behold that by august those two barely hold on to a third ; and there's a dozen or so pools over 1%. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: as there's not a single 0 tx block in there, seems the fee market has actually done a lot to fix various historical mining problems. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: quora, a place for people to be lesswrong together.

a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 12:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508508 << how about it phf, see the merit of having a111 archive.is every link it sees, downloading the zip and then presenting a [cached] [saved] pair of links after the line ?

mircea_popescu: o btw phf, you aware of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508571 ? you never said anything. more generally, do you see the value in a ticket set for a111 on mod6 's thing ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had two arguments. one is that it dramatically simplifies the design of the cryptotron. (essentially becomes a mildly scriptable bignum calculator.)

asciilifeform: under $8,000 a year. The Olympic Prison promised over 200 new “recession-free” jobs, at a starting salary of $15,000, a huge boon for an area with the state’s highest unemployment rates for much of the ‘70s. "It's the most sensible idea anyone's come up with yet," Lake Placid Mayor Robert Peacock told the media. As manufacturing and agriculture moved out of rural America, the prison industry moved in.'

asciilifeform: http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-time-that-the-us-turned-an-olympic-village-into-a-prison << lulzy. e.g., 'If prison construction in urban and suburban areas triggered not-in-my-backyard backlash, prison construction in rural areas, and upstate New York in particular, became seen as an economic development solution. According to officials of the local antipoverty program, half of Essex County households survived on an income

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> heh. aaand a trb node is at height 419220 for absolutely no reason ; 50+ connections, stable etc. << did this get fixed? or is it stuck at that same block still?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522921 << veblenism (e.g., audiophilia, homeopathy, etc.) is a disease caused by idiot coming into possession of money. and there is only ONE cure. ☝︎

trinque: no, but it's gagged on yours, which is a bug on my end

mircea_popescu: i don't get this nonsensical theory. “Electromagnetic interference from appliances being used by neighbors could propagate through a shared transformer and have an audible effect. That’s not an unreasonable thing.”

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522894 << he has a point, at that. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 22:20 pete_dushenski: sonal transformer—that thing shaped like a cylindrical metal garbage can—which feeds power more directly from the grid.'

pete_dushenski: sonal transformer—that thing shaped like a cylindrical metal garbage can—which feeds power more directly from the grid.' ☟︎

pete_dushenski: 'The 82-year-old lawyer already had a $60,000 American-made amplifier, 1960s German loudspeakers that once belonged to a theater, Japanese audio cables threaded with gold and silver, and other pricey equipment. Normal electricity just wouldn’t do anymore. To tap into what Mr. Morita calls “pure” power, he paid $10,000 to plant a 40-foot-tall concrete pole in his front yard. On it perches his own per

pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/article_email/a-gift-for-music-lovers-who-have-it-all-a-personal-utility-pole-1471189463-lMyQjAxMTE2MzE4NjExMjY1Wj << in other 'that's it i'm making my own' news

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: good chunk of folk went through entire ww2 with a suspended death sentence, because there was elementarily no replacement for them.

BingoBoingo: But is deedbot RSS reading a lookout post or is it a town crier?

pete_dushenski: i am but a resident as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521208 ☝︎

pete_dushenski: ^contained therein is a translation project for readers of 'traditional' chinese script. my connex seem to think it's gibberish, but 'moar eyez halp' (tm) (r)

pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/16/cn-sms-mitm/ << because deedbot fell asleep on the lookout tower, a capital offence!

mircea_popescu: there's a time for that. some spaces really could do without a lot of cruft.

asciilifeform: e.g., if mircea_popescu wants to use a hash algo of his own design, with ben_vulpes's pgptron, he can.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had two arguments. one is that it dramatically simplifies the design of the cryptotron. (essentially becomes a mildly scriptable bignum calculator.) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: if you want a diff algo make a diff key.

asciilifeform: including, recall, even ability to specify a new crypto algo in the key itself.

asciilifeform: i've favoured a maximally-configurable design for quite some time.

mircea_popescu: it just doesn't implement a braindamaged half-sorta-thing

asciilifeform: it is a question i get asked quite often.

asciilifeform: consider, not 1 of the popped keys belongs to a 'human' in the sense of somebody we know via wot.

mircea_popescu: signature is a different (ie, public-facing) usecase.

phf: asciilifeform: wouldn't there just be a process to work with primes primes directly?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not manually ; but you will get a notification from me saying "please use 54kh6kl54j3l45 instead of ,mn54,35lkjh4l3 from now on. it's the same modulus".

asciilifeform: sooo if mircea_popescu gets a new userid (say he throws out his polimedia domain because dns is run by hitler) i have to compare the mods manually ?

mircea_popescu: also, N is not a prime.

asciilifeform: rather, it was a kind of strong checksum.

asciilifeform: but it do NOT see the win from letting any arbitrary bit of binary garbage pass itself off as a valid rsa key + userid set.

phf: selfsig seems like a side effect of meta information on key, which should be handled by "separate bits signed by key" anyway

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we'd also care a lot less.

mircea_popescu: a.key.can.not.certify.itself. never. not ever.

asciilifeform: it is a checksum.

mircea_popescu: a key can't certify itself.

mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a "self sig" ?

mircea_popescu: 3) as it's theoretically nonsensical, it feeds a bunch of idiotic yet unconscious expectations in the mind of the user. i am well convinced that the general "i'll pull myself by own breeches" attitude of "creative" people is both due to and resulting in the gpg selfsig

asciilifeform: issue remains with the first time you encounter a modulus/fp set.

asciilifeform: i keyed it in from a napkin, say.