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phf: hmm, oddly enough your old pub is also marked as expire
asciilifeform: somehow on koch planet, is seen as acceptable..
phf: asciilifeform: it looks like key updates got merge into the old key, rather than replacin it. the pub is the same, and hasn't been update (still marked as expired), but sub has been replaced, and is now "expired: never". it also added the new identity (where i removed the email) to the rest of the existing identities
trinque: hrm, still showing as expired
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's not as much those particular slides themselves - it's simply that I haven't seen anything *other that that* in *any* "academia" material/discussion anywhere
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:04 asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in
a111: Logged on 2016-01-05 01:37 asciilifeform: my main objection to subkey as implemented in gpg is that IT DOES NOT TELL YOU OR EVEN LET YOU CHOOSE with which modulus (i.e. which sub) it actually signs with !
phf: i was under the impression that the subkey gets created as a default genkey behavior, but then you can shuffle things around through edit-key. if you were to remove the subkey through edit key leaving only primary, gnupg refuses to use the primary for encryption.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so you literally exported his key as yours ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, o.O apparently I ...did; and I found out how, as well: the crappy lappy on which I had the away account had imported a few public keys, first of which Mocky's
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859601 << far away they are. not too long ago I went to an "Understanding Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain" webinar type thing here at $usg.toobigtofailbank. As you'd expect, was filled to the brim with such lulzgems as "Unlike bonds/equities, cryptocurrency has no intrinsic value. No way to establish price point!!". imo They are so far from reality it isn't even ☝︎
trinque: Mocky: that part makes sense, as the filename is the fprint, which is clearly a bug
mircea_popescu: diana_coman did you register... mocky's key... as your away key ?!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: tyvm for bringing that to my attention. i dropped the ball on service cutover. as mp astutely observed, the temporary host for these services is not a cuntoo, but some heathen convenience, conveniently different enough from my normal remote home that the logger for the ircbot refused to start, which (somehow!!!!!) fouled the bot's self reboot capabilities.
BingoBoingo: As mimi is not logging pizarro I present the latest report draft http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XAMut/?raw=true for mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform and all other interested parties
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
BingoBoingo: Anyways, presenting conservative sanity as thoughtful "minimalism" has tremendous social engineering value by brainfucking the pantsuit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even something such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857395 great material ☝︎
asciilifeform: imho http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ is pretty good material for such a lecture
mircea_popescu: it's a mitzvah, as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/
mircea_popescu: as i say -- the young hussies already are looking for slavery and abjection, in contrast to their stupid mulas and stramulas. from rotherham to anytown, usa, the 15 yo is saying "please, beat, rape and light me on fire -- anything whatsoever but having to talk with my kinmorons." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: let them credit the fed general acct with as cheap items as can be had in counterparty for it, so the fed extends "college debt" to the above morons, so they have kids and move europe outta the present lulz.
asciilifeform: it still aint 100% clear to me for what exactly china needs the white devil. recall when the brits had to hook'em on opium , to buy tea ? ( cn prior would take only gold/silver as payment , and brits were running low )
mircea_popescu: well ? the FACT of the matter is that reproduction is -ev. always was, too. so little yellow men wish to participate in the affairs of humanity by essentially taking on the role of the human female ? this is a crime now ? should be hated for attempt to participate as best can ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-03#1732326 ? here's what it buys them : mp can't now declare racial fatah upon the little yellow men. because why would i, so they're kindly keeping large numbers of white idiots around to reproduce. as per http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/ this isn't even a bad move. so they bought the managing to go around with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859521 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: lulzy. BingoBoingostan struck me as place where you could , per the chinese proverb, 'send virgin with sack of gold coins from one end to other, and keep both virtue and coin'
BingoBoingo: One of the fellows ranted and raved about Masonic conspiracies yet advanced the position "I don't see why anyone would be advantaged by not using GoogleSpyDevice as their 'conputer'"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> all code that ever runs anywhere is getting loaded in head. there's no way out of this. << Relatedly in my times here I have met a number of "digital nomads" who use chromebooks as issued by Google and evangelize for them. Rather than "loaded chromeOS into head" they strike me as "leased head to google"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of this lol. maybe they only got as close as halfway-1.
mircea_popescu: notice ~why~ it is random derp uses [ie, acts as if has loaded in head] pile of gnarl like say excel, or "telegram" or "kubinetes" or w/e : FOR LOVE OF BROTHER. "we all do it". but it sucks ? "yes well."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything's explicit to the sufficiently trained eye. as they are unexplicit through confusion to moron today -- so they were 2k years ago. as directly visible to me then, so visible now.
asciilifeform: current lot of derps seems to make'em up as they go
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:36 mircea_popescu: "but mp, you don't understand how the world works" "what is the meaning of '''new''' in the context of '''similar enough to old for this scheme to work''' "oh, it doesn't PROMISE to stay that way! this pile just works as long as it does!" "which isn't a promise ? and if it stops working, what, time for linux-backports-compat-compat, a set of scripts to update the set of scripts that updates...?" "YES!"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's no such thing as the option of whether to load or to not load. if it runs -- you're loading.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the bank clerk who "knows how to run excel" and alf, who can produce cp101a, is not, as you think, "has loaded in head ?". because bank girl has, after a fashion, to inept standards, somewhat loaded windows in head. that your loading is better than her loading is true, and that items move from worse to better in hands of republic and from better to worse in hands of empire is also true.
asciilifeform: i.e. whether it can be approached as a crafted object, or whether it is pile o'shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because idiots hallucinated the option of "not loading in head", the code in question now works as a sort of digital frontier : whoever loads more faster wins. hence "hackers".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the extant liquishit was never loaded whole into any head. ( just as applicable to winblowz, openssl, crystalspace, etc. )
mircea_popescu: as long as it's executed, anywhere, ever at all -- you're fucking loading.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the only way for that to not have to happen is for someone to chisel down the 5mb. because your hallucinated "option" as to whether you load or not load has 0 bearing -- the only question is whether the 5mb run or don't run.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 15:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the empire shit works by this "only way to get an x is to link an x' to an y' to the x" device. by now it's actually usable as an empire-detecting heuristic. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858956 << this view, sweet as all delusions ever are, nevertheless is not tenable. live code is live code, and that's the only categorical distinction. whether you'd like to eat the spitoon or not is a signal reality's not pulled out pins to capture. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: we routinely do this to eg latins. applies just as well eveywhere.
mircea_popescu: o noes, pantsuit wank off by 20% as per usual ?!
BingoBoingo: But naturally all of the pantsuit flavored publications are painting this as "Candidate Underwhelms By Failing To Avoid Runoff" instead of embarrassing overperformance versus their polls
phf: i'm weird in that respect, i don't mind seeing pixels, reminds me of better times as far as computing. i make it extra ugly too, e.g. i run windowmaker, aliased fonts, the works
asciilifeform: i had to actually use it as a battery-powered box on pizarro voyage, and it sucked
phf: right, i basically treat the battery as a ups, i.e. hold it long enough for me to move it from place to place
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 15:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it was actually ~roll piano~ that nuked 'entertain self' music, rather than the scratchy phonograph of the time
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 01:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859095 << (important furtherance here : protocol as is being baked kinda removes all binary-ism from client tree, data to be received and cached as data rather than mangled into source tree as a sort of "divine cache" as currently practiced by ~all morons involved in gaming) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 19:53 trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858998 << as far as anyone knows, it's still ~experimental~ item anyway. not that it'd be nice for it to work, but really, expecting ? i ain't expecting it to. it's a wonder things like eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858794 worked, but i frankly was not expecting anything as lofty as "piece of hardware can be made to work" ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: As I await the board to approve the Pizarro report I bring a nugget from the research mines: "Just try to have a good time and work hard to find a better job. Budtending is nowhere land."
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff.
asciilifeform: file names are covered by the gpg seal of given patch, tho, so it isn't as if people can get away with blindly renaming items in a patch. so if taking all of mircea_popescu's algo but the hashed-names part, you have a usable algo.
mircea_popescu: as i say, my latter statement of the notion was misleading & vague.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 23:57 mircea_popescu: at which juncture i suppose it'd pay to check, huh. hey phf, my memory of logs discussion includes this item whereby the above problem was fully resolved by declaring the path as inseparable part of the filename. you on the same page ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 17:12 asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff. ☟︎
asciilifeform: even from existing gnu liquishit, it is fairly easy, turns out, to remove ( e.g. as i did with the mpi that diana_coman made into the 1st half of eucrypt )
trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality. ☟︎
trinque: mhm, perhaps source gets slurped directly into ebuild dirs as time goes on. open question yet how that step proceeds.
diana_coman: well, if it's "give" then it will have to be signed tar as far as I can tell, I still don't see why one would basically import gnu patch just in order to "give n00b" anything; the options are always either "take what exists i.e. on trust " (in which case archive) or "go and make your own" in which case what's the problem
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand q was 'how to give n00b his 1st vtron'
asciilifeform: ( either its deletion, or its insertion -- therefore impossible to encode the contents of that tar, as a genesis )
asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: as long as you patch on his keccak tree i can't see how it could not be.
asciilifeform: simple : that if i find that it doesn't work quite same as previous, i nao have to consider hypothesis that phf made a mistake.
asciilifeform: maintaining hard-continuity of history is nearly whole point, as i see it , of vtronics.
asciilifeform: phf can make mistake and sign a broken piece, just as asciilifeform on at least 1 occasion did
mircea_popescu: in the sense that you suspect he might be trustworthy in general, but a liar as to that specific narrowly construed topic ?
mircea_popescu: but phf, who is the author of the thing, did not in fact lose his head and arm by the process of having released the "original" ie sha version. he can just as much authorship a "new" ie, keccak version. and it'll be EXACTLY as much a genesis as that was, in ALL respects.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta disagree re 'nothing starts as it', there is a history, and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851660 is a thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, sha is historical accident, nothing starts as it, thence no boot. therefore -- just publish it self referentially and who dun like can go to hell.
mircea_popescu: i frankly do not perceive we have a bootstrapping problem. bootstrapping occurs when you have to turn a primitive into an ulterior -- there is such a thing as a bootstrapping problem of the fetus into adulthood because all adults start as foetii.
mircea_popescu: because no, it's not such an idle question as all that -- there is a whole subset of four-five ish to maybe sixish year olds who genuinely look like they're just about to fuck but for the lack of functional organs and knowledge of function.
phf: hehe it's true, whatever learned through cliffsnotes, rewritten "in own words", with the originals on a bookshelf as totems of learning
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the femtard rewrite of piaget. it's something i always wanted to see in my formative years, "what if there was a monastery of mongoloids somewhere, and they hand-copied the texts '''as best they cou;d''' ?". it'd have been solid gold for the anthropologist / historian of religion, back when he still cared. but... no such thing.
phf: but yeah "influence" of piaget as reduced to "children learn best through play"
mircea_popescu had heard this befoar as "the dog hears the bells, but doesn't understand where from".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it was actually ~roll piano~ that nuked 'entertain self' music, rather than the scratchy phonograph of the time ☟︎
mircea_popescu: black culture used to create music at a time white culture was no longer for the same reason as the above : they were poor and retarded and didn't have music time-travel boxes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858813 << this, btw, is quite ordinary picture in recent ~decade of iron. given as even humble nic is nao a multicore arm thing, and has own kernel, and sometimes whole MB of internal state, fulla vendor shitware; so yes, can wedge . ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as far as i can discern, ru had delayed-structuralism, 50 years later.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi that such a thing as post-structuralism happened in ru. at any rate prior to nuland help.
phf: i wonder if lotman's post-structuralism is same as the french, or if it's that only in a sense that it's post. anyway, this is cool and i'm going to pick up his other shit next time i'm in moscows
mircea_popescu: this position is not without its merit. of course it also proposes literacy as the end of literature ("since they can write their shit to paper, they don't write anythingt worth remembering").
asciilifeform: imho can tie the two threads together -- when linux folx stopped giving a shit about kernel size, they went to the same hell as when the physics people ditto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik another (not as clearly delineated) change between 2.6 and >3.3, because shit "mysteriously" stops working.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun know if i have the keys to where they keep the real semiology ( if mircea_popescu says that it exists , i'll believe him ) ; as it is, i hear the word and think 'lacan' and reach for luger
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858800 << they switched the userland abi, but 2.4 continued to live ( i've found that i still have at least 1 device in service where not only 2.4, but 2.4 that post-dates the release of 2.6 ) for many years, as it was moar compact and suitable for small iron than 2.6 ( which had better support for e.g. smp , but overall hog vs 2.4 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform misread earlier as 'seismologist' and scratched head for a while
mircea_popescu: so everyone who has any clue as to how any of this shit works and why is busy derping about "intersectional queeritude" among the DD/lg crowd of paci sucklers,
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you don't understand how the world works" "what is the meaning of '''new''' in the context of '''similar enough to old for this scheme to work''' "oh, it doesn't PROMISE to stay that way! this pile just works as long as it does!" "which isn't a promise ? and if it stops working, what, time for linux-backports-compat-compat, a set of scripts to update the set of scripts that updates...?" "YES!" ☟︎
diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now ! ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 00:18 mircea_popescu: in the end, useless hp box found new life as heroes 2 playstation.
phf: i assume in this case your proxy is as secure as your ssh, you can do it on demand, and you can also run it against any of your remote hosts.