asciilifeform: dun suppose phf has a 133337w4rez txt of this.

asciilifeform: iirc it even exists in a (middling) engl translation

asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu would luvv that piece

asciilifeform: aaaaahaha

asciilifeform: 'if job is worth doing, it is worth doing well' or how did it go.

asciilifeform: ( set him up as a relay for whatever type of pr0n is banned where he is, leak his cc, etc )

asciilifeform: other thing is, even if you don't want for anything the 'milk' (cpu cycles etc) of pwned derp, and simply going for max materiel damage, formatting hdd is not necessarily the max ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and do you even ~want~ this particular milk. )

asciilifeform: can milk cow. if it gives milk. whole puzzle was, as i understand, 'can haz milk? or go straight to meat'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687870 << 'do i own this cow? if yes, why is it not sausage yet' ☝︎

asciilifeform: gotta wonder what was the thought process. 'i'ma pay for dope with shitpal just this ONCE' ??

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687873 << lol monkeymen ☝︎

asciilifeform: ' the oracle in my arse told me to do it, and fuckoff.jpg '

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what i meant is, i dun have necessarily a communicable logic for why i operate in particular way, and if pressed , tend to react similarly to mircea_popescu's

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( pretty great title, too ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'диалектика переходного периода из ниоткуда в никуда'

asciilifeform: ( it's a compendium of shorts. which one was phf thinking of ? )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687871 << sure, why? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687889 << ben_vulpes ponder the sheer hilarity of the 'they revoked key based on faux signature!11' by same derp who heckled the 'peter anvin' key affair ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687877 << i hate to disappoint pete_dushenski , but i also think with gut. however, perhaps different section of gut than mircea_popescu . ☝︎

asciilifeform: not if you own an rng. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'll add that thinking per se dun have to make you predictable from game theoretical pov , the other major trap

asciilifeform: not because thinking.

asciilifeform: 'femaleworry' is idiotic because it's a decision algo that dun converge in constant time

asciilifeform: though it is arduous, and i'd rather get oracle installed, somebody gotta say to me where .

asciilifeform: and will say, thinking n moves ahead !=' femaleworry '

asciilifeform: i dun got an oracle

asciilifeform: given as he has a right-move oracle installed in him, and dun have to think any moves ahead

asciilifeform: i betcha mircea_popescu plays fine game of chesss ☟︎

asciilifeform bbl, out of food

asciilifeform: ( how didja build gnat ? from where ? etc )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: share your gnatology with mod6

asciilifeform: diana_coman: very neato

asciilifeform: rather than screwing with software etc

asciilifeform: d00d who 'dun care what tomorrow' stays on the cocaine yacht.

asciilifeform: and yet you do some things and not others.

asciilifeform: 'whatever' is only ever uttered by folx who don't have to lift a finger. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and box evaporates next morning, without fail. so work that went into 'install noncrap' ( vs merely 'format hdd' ) was burned.

asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu's logic communicable ?

asciilifeform: well i suppose you can also do it because achieved enlightenment on lsd, or whichever, but this is harem , not forum, and not communicable

asciilifeform: if you're doing it, there is some logic.

asciilifeform: this is not a thing.

asciilifeform: so if you're maximizing him for wool, gotta do one thing, if for meat -- other

asciilifeform: point being, idjit boots up his tetrisator one day and finds ?????

asciilifeform: trinque: because cuckoldry neh

asciilifeform: and 'their' iron

asciilifeform: i thought thread was re hypothetical infected idjits

asciilifeform: if you own -- as in built with own hands

asciilifeform: sanity must be sought.

asciilifeform: the utter futility of push-loading sanity.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687731 << if so, this does not bode well for ru planes if they ever face il ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687721 << this is absolutely so. asciilifeform has a large ac in the work shed and it does ~0 -- because poor seals. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( these are creatures whose entire existence sits on a hallucinated pillar of 'choice' etc )

asciilifeform: the uptake of whatever 'liberation' you forcibly thrust upon the cattle will be 0.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687704 << my contention was that trying to, e.g., 'solve 1024 chickens problem' is wasted effort in this case, just format their hdd and call it a day ☝︎

asciilifeform: then herding, even temporarily -- is +ev

asciilifeform: but suppose what you really want is to clear a minefield.

asciilifeform: y'know , like in civ1

asciilifeform: pillage xor burn

asciilifeform: as i understand it -- dichotomy

asciilifeform: so which is it, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687705 or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681782 ? ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform slowly re-eats the l0gz

asciilifeform bbl - meat

asciilifeform: this is great thread, but i have an incoming, so brb..

asciilifeform: bayonet, or fuck.

asciilifeform: as i see it the 2 are disjoint

asciilifeform: the practical knot is -- do you wanna squeeze the winblowz idiots for max cpu cycle and storage space times electric current -- or to convert'em to tmsr participants ( do most have even the elementary neural makings of one ? why to suddenly think this ? )

asciilifeform: bayonet is not making a new wot member in good standing. it is pest control.

asciilifeform: yes but distinguish bayonet thrust from recruitment

asciilifeform: *closed planet

asciilifeform: rather than eulora-like closes planet

asciilifeform: i read the original uci proposal as straight weapon of us vs them

asciilifeform: ( very overdue forest fire, at that )

asciilifeform: and yes bitcoin 'corrupts' like forest fire burns.

asciilifeform: could describe both as having run an ill-conceived winblowz, originally, that bsoded in the end in the same way

asciilifeform: but who else gives a shit

asciilifeform: 'no longer operating within spec' of priest - yes

asciilifeform: from whose pov is either 'corrupted', other than hypothetical pantsuit priest's ?

asciilifeform: i.e. where market re-prices the faux-carpenter as pork on the hoof per pound ?

asciilifeform: ( or 'programmers' or 'artists' or 'carpenters' ... ) but yes

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: trinque: this is where i will admit that your argument is making 0 sense to me

asciilifeform: what'd be the definition of the inca here ?

asciilifeform: it is defined by induction.

asciilifeform: it was how i read the original trilema article re subj

asciilifeform: trinque: approx, but with 'l1 key holders' rather than inca

asciilifeform: just as no diff bw a tennis ball and moon

asciilifeform: to a topologist - maybe none

asciilifeform: difference between mountain and molehill

asciilifeform: writing proggy -- longer.. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wiring some reichsmarks takes 5min of work

asciilifeform: trinque: expand?

asciilifeform: and was replaced by bayesian garbage

asciilifeform: this is a mega-problem -- an entire field went to the grave because it was not able to solve it.

asciilifeform: (i.e., on what do you compute, such that only MOST mutations are lethal, rather than ALL )

asciilifeform: think of it as the ~opposite~ problem to mircea_popescu's hash func.

asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( even if nn is used today -- it is in fact used very sparingly, and in combination with other algos , rather than as universal engine as originally envisioned )

asciilifeform: this was what minsky was trying to achieve with neural network. failed.