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mircea_popescu: but as it is -- 19.95 and would you like paper or pl;astioc bag ?
mircea_popescu: had the south managed to produce a de rosas, it'd have been a very different place. substantially, not just superficially.
mircea_popescu: in sicily he is known as the honorable man, ie mobster.
mircea_popescu: he is the continuator of the ancient military traditions of aristocracy, and he yielded the caudillo in south america. he yielded nothing in the southern us, principally because, agian, the germans are congenitally retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only morally or intellectually respectable character in italy, ie the 1800s thing, was to be founbd not in italy but in sicily, which is altogether a different place.
mircea_popescu: THAT is what i mean by "ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.".
mircea_popescu: no. picture if plantation owners marched on washington in 1812, and hung a) all declared abolitionists ; b) any preacher of any kind ; c) any old women who did not applaud a and b.
mircea_popescu: ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.
mircea_popescu: that it wasn't is principally due to the germans being congenitally retarded, and no moar.
mircea_popescu: not really. could have been more romiche reich than empire francais, at the very most.
mircea_popescu: i was not. i was stating the gypos then befouling the peninsula are not worthy of inclusion in the species.
mircea_popescu: somehow in your mind these two things, one on mars, the other on alpha centauri, kinda meld into a single item
mircea_popescu: i tihnk you have no appreciation of the fact that a thousand years is much MUCH wider than the piddly 5k kms making up the us sideways.
mircea_popescu: by the time garibaldi was even a thing, the lido had long been sanded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's entirely no relation between garibaldi and say venice. you wanna talk d'este, sforza, zee germanz etc.
mircea_popescu: italy was used as a topographic name in the late empire (ie, 300s, italia) and else in the late 1800s
mircea_popescu: if you had venice in mind, it'd be more proper to say original pre-unified european union.
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking reference the original, 1200 tmsr as "disunified italy" wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: what you said parsed as 1800 italy. which italy did you have in mind ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, you can drink in tardstalk/reddit/what have you, have your fill.
mircea_popescu: ^ very much recommend. better history of italy than any italian ever could write.
mircea_popescu: you can go to the acropolis right now, see the useless fucktarded greeks sitting around. ~same bs.
mircea_popescu: buncha uppity "students" sitting around coffee tables and being idea men. fuck them with the boot shaped peninsula.
mircea_popescu: the disunified italies contained the original argentina and no more.
mircea_popescu: ie, historically more yous was the only thing they actually knew how to make. so they did. so... not much of a problem.
mircea_popescu: none of this, "i have these toys in my shop, which i play with today".
mircea_popescu: anyway, PeterL has a solid point : you may think of whatever split between capital goods and labour, but fact is, at the time we are discussing the shovel owned oyu, not the other wayu around. if you owned a shovel you were god damned out there shoveling every day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the + is coming oiut of the fed imaginary account, which is cvurrently still credited by china.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was discussing capital goods not labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look into small business papers sometime ? waht can i tell yoiu, the bezzle's the bezzle, it's what it does.
mircea_popescu: medieval time, you built, out of stone, a tiny shop, cost about a hundred million in today's fiats, and got custom worth... you kjnow, 200 bux a day.
mircea_popescu: well, look at modern business. you throw up a bunch of vynil fresh off the boat, worth 40k if you're drunk that day, and call it a restaurant. then you expect revenue in the mn+ ayear.
mircea_popescu: very carefully weighed and so on, since before 1k ad, too.
mircea_popescu: and yes they had re tax : to own a plot of land you produced knights.
mircea_popescu: if your 100 btc capital good produces 1k btc a year, and you pay 1 bitcent in real estate tax and 50% income tax, you're paying... half your income each year, plus a bitcent.
mircea_popescu: here's thje thing. if your capital good worth 100 btc produces 1 btc a year and you pay real estate tax of 0.5% and no income tax, you're payinfg half your income each year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and nobody had anything like modern peasant's productivity, either.
mircea_popescu: and "shoulda been in the forum a while back" will not parse to anything, either.
mircea_popescu: for the schmucks getting the sharp end of that stick, the difference will be negligible.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: also, "tmsr style" may be a misnomer. the republic receiving tax from the lords voluntarily is one thing, but there's nowehre in statute or custom where it says lord can't grind into paste any subhuman peons it gets his hands on, to extract whatever he extracts.
mircea_popescu: recall (part of why i even republishedf that) -- hamilton was an original, and originally a lonely, voice in the "to spend -- you MUST first tax" camp.
mircea_popescu: now how is this relating to say hamilton in preference of say monroe ?
mircea_popescu: this is the dark secret of gender disparity : after the deed's done, woman gets more than she expected, and man less.
mircea_popescu: veterans not getting paid what they thought was fair is an absolute part of all war.
mircea_popescu: hamilton wasn't doping centralized megastate either. it's unclear what washington wass doing, as also not idea man, but probably ALSO not megastate judging by how if he were, he'd have been the king of united states literally.
mircea_popescu: in this sense the washington monument was the proper government lol
mircea_popescu: his "ideas" if you can call them that are all sorta broken.
mircea_popescu: i don't really see it. jefferson, for all his popularity, was intellectually ~nil.
mircea_popescu: i suppose technically roosevelt broke the shattered remains left after monkeyboy lincoln, but still, general idea.
mircea_popescu: the usual mo is this, very strictly antiauthoritarian, "we'll get our own schmuck emperor and then ruin the thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is more complicated. original church was very much republic, much like original us presidency. then the socialistards got roosevelt in and broke it. similarily to how empire meant something, before napoleon.
mircea_popescu: (ie, voltaire shows antibodies, infection was clearly present in his environment.)
mircea_popescu: "and here's the list of necessary steps that lead to it!"
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's not about anything besides "here's our socialist state, it is great and statal and socialist". absolutely nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: ever since the early seeds of socialism showed up in paris (not so coincidentally, where syphilis also comes from), it's been one great race to re-construct human thought into socialistardation.
mircea_popescu: quite on the contrary. that can be a pretext, if you're willing to eat it. and if not -- others available.
mircea_popescu: in other words -- us schools don't work on purpose, not by accident. and like those, everything else, nukes, embargoes, name it.
mircea_popescu: and if it takes a little incidental mention of the history of thought, fine, just as long as it's a) safely bowdlerized into nonsense and b) really, incidental to the great story.
mircea_popescu: schooling for the purpose of convincing as many unexamining intellects as possible that "in the soviet union kids get icecream". if it takes putting the agitprop mechanism in the middle of the forest cuz that's where the peasants go... well, they'll mount it in a truck.
mircea_popescu: and which is how they end up with all the rest of the dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: what is important is for the kids to end up with the purposes idiocy implanted in their heads. and they do. which is how they end up thinking "modern medicine" has something to do with life expectancy changes. as opposed to sanitation.
mircea_popescu: the replacement of causes with purposes in this sense is the ONLY point of "school" as the socialists do it. it's uninteresting to understand exactly what the theory of gravity is, says or does, or what a number is, or anything else of that kind
mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: revisiting the above "progress" great lie of socialism : just as eg wikipedia parasithizes (see alf/naggum re how this works) the encyclopedia space, turning whatever it can steal into "wearenotbegging for donations", just like github tries to accrete "wild" work into something they can sell down the road to the bezzlevestor, just so school in the socialist state (as designed by trotsky, stealing from bismarck) works also on
mircea_popescu: but by definition, naive early adopters have their own ideas.
mircea_popescu: phf i kept telling the naive early adopter noobs that gifting coin is fucking dumb.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, very fundamentally libertard this "framing" approach, quintessentially what "progress" is all about. here's what happened, now let me hallucinate a string of pseudocauses and outcomes which you can believe in!
mircea_popescu: let me guess, rehash of original "stages" curtis yarvin "argument" ?
mircea_popescu: next issue of fiat paper will read Ourshit Dun Work instead of the racist/rapist in god we trust bit
mircea_popescu: but anyway, they'll work just as well as everything else in the empire of stupid works. did "ourembargo" work ? sure, in the sense shittington post wrote about how it will, and then promptly forgot it ever happened
mircea_popescu: then that can also handle deeding fees, and lo and behold, actual cryptoeconomy
mircea_popescu: the original plan was to tie in payments with deedbot payment system, and im sure that's how it'll work once that bit of infrastructure is ready.