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ben_vulpes: phf: and in the c function declarations?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:38:28; phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
asciilifeform: phf: tx debugger
asciilifeform: phf: ?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:08:36; mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite.
mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/http << quite. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: you're a real rubro now phf!
ben_vulpes: nifty, phf!
ben_vulpes: dash/hyphen conventions alive, ^^ asciilifeform, phf, mod6_, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: hey phf
ben_vulpes: phf: mebbe rewrite the syncing loop?
ben_vulpes: phf: i don't quite know yet. i'm just barely a code-technician, creativity and imagination's another 5-7 years off for me.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 00:37:21; phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << press genesis_fixed, tinyscheme_snip, repl_fix, rename tinyscheme to shiva, recompile yes? asciilifeform phf ^^
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 06:02:14; phf: 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805500963132708477322407536021120113879871393357658789768814416622492847430639474124377767893424865485276302219601246094119453082952085005768838150682342462881473913110540827237163350510684586298239947245938479716304835356329624224137216
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2016#1416416 << congrats phf !! ☝︎
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd love to see your clang work *elbow elbow*
asciilifeform: phf: let's lay it out, for the n00bz and the not-so-alert-readerz
asciilifeform: phf: gcov is pointedly ~not~ what i want
asciilifeform: phf: the kernel as we all presently have it is the very opposite of sane.
trinque: phf: deedbot sits atop devuan, hasn't offended me just yet
asciilifeform: phf: it was pitched as somehow decrufted
asciilifeform: phf: if you find something out of place, feel welcome to move it.
asciilifeform: phf: aha.
asciilifeform: phf: i played !
asciilifeform: phf: it is an astonishingly valuable tool.
mircea_popescu: phf not a matter of trolls, mind.
mircea_popescu: phf i do not say this necessarily to bellitle the man in question. but the matter must be said i nthe plainest terms for posteriority.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:54:07; phf: heh actually some boomer at russian cultural center was once telling me of his adventures, he proudly told me that him and his wife had a friend in russia and it was even! a kgb guy. the implication is that he was so cool, he even got to meet a bonafide kgb, befriend him and that was his best friend. that's your handler, you dumbass.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:40:53; phf: their whole experience of su is through intourist propotainment and politruk control. who's going to let an american nobody in a company of the valuable products of soviet system. it's a needless risk. at best you get invited to some aparatchik family dinner and get to playbelieve "i was even friends with a russian family!"
ben_vulpes: phf ^^]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf please consider sharing your clang build script
asciilifeform: phf: i think they're mostly old/dead now
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, phf: even today, a 'human' visiting orc lands is 'mediated', but largely by his own head
pete_dushenski: phf: you're right, that's far more 'mediated' than i'd understood to be the case previously.
asciilifeform: phf has it.
pete_dushenski: phf: that's very much why i specified '2nd-tier' ru city, though i suppose this was based on the presumption that most of the mediation was happening in larger urban centres, which i suppose statistically it must have been, but whether that made it easier or harder to break mediated mold in smaller centres isn't thereby granted as being in any way obvious, admittedly.
mircea_popescu: phf can unicode be snipped off cleanly ?
asciilifeform: phf: does cmucl have native threads yet ?
asciilifeform: phf: neato
mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.
mircea_popescu: phf is your definition of "network at large" as "all those ips that are not connected to a node connected to someone in l2" ?
mircea_popescu: phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it.
mircea_popescu: phf what is "the net at large" ?
asciilifeform: phf: aha, seen that court many times
mod6: phf: ah neat
mod6: phf, asciilifeform: so you know whats weird?
mircea_popescu: phf actually that scavenger strategy is the larger part of why humans are still around.
mircea_popescu: phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that.
mircea_popescu: phf oh, you know him ?
mircea_popescu: phf i am pretty sure the code's published
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 21:31:02; phf: mod6: (let ((things ())) (for-each (lambda (sublist) (for-each (lambda (symbol) (let ((value (catch #f (eval symbol)))) (if (or (macro? value) (closure? value)) (set! things (cons symbol things))))) sublist)) (oblist)) things)
mod6: phf: and I meant "is #<EOF> normal?"
mod6: phf: ah, ok
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:58:56; phf: i'm sure the chip went same way, some chinese american female student, "say, prof sussman, how about you sell your life's work to highest bidder on this hip website. it'll legitimize what you did because you're no longer just a nerd, but now also an artist"
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:57:29; phf: "when did they get to him!"
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:55:12; phf: sussman was there though, when mit switched from sicp to python for their intro programming course, and he defended that decision with his remarks at ILC https://web.archive.org/web/20090327115612/http://blog.snowtide.com/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2016 05:25:55; phf: random lulz, sussman signed scheme-81 chip, sold as art. https://www.artsy.net/artwork/gerald-sussman-scheme i think it was listted at $1500, but i can't quite recall. i assume buyer would not try putting it on a breadboard..
ben_vulpes: no bully phf
mod6: thanks phf
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 04:23:22; mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2016 05:16:47; phf: perhaps i could lightly annotate serialize machinery to get objects across the boundary, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: v. cool, phf.
mircea_popescu: phf no, it's the porsche for a new generation. tho i'm unsure whether anyone here understands or cares to think about what those things ~are~. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 19:08:14; phf: as soon as i can move again, i'm going to make it to russian&turkish baths in nyc. they don't really do saunas on the east coast, but that baths place is awesome
JuliaTourianski_: phf?
mircea_popescu: so... how about you pay the fine establishment a visit phf ?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 22:49:39; phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but that's west coast. they have great saunas there
danielpbarron: ;; later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412717 << There's one on Fulton Street with great food ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: very neat, and exactly what i wanted!
gernika: phf: Had a terrible vegetarian thanksgiving dinner at Breitenbush. I did see a naked woman there though, as a teenager.
ben_vulpes: phf: popular place with the ru folk in the area
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:52:04; phf: man, writing scheme is like trying to build an eiffel tower out of toothpicks
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 19:16:07; phf: this place is great http://www.russianturkishbaths.com if you're ever in nyc
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=release << broken ?
asciilifeform: phf: specifically not awk and nothing like awk.
mircea_popescu: phf my mental model is essentially "awk without regexp" ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: only the first time. it then turns into a steel beam you can use to build proper towers.
ben_vulpes: phf: it's a hobby
asciilifeform: phf: i have long wanted to get this working, so i can haz call graph
ben_vulpes: phf: share your weird!
asciilifeform: phf: this is not useless, you can do the thing with the call graph even
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:08:29; phf: well, init.scm is read on each connection, since there's no persistence
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: possibly it ought to die before the db is opened.
asciilifeform: ah this is CORRECT phf.
asciilifeform: phf: and this is the correct behaviour (IF SHIVA IS ENABLED), just needs to happen cleanly and humanely. does it ?
asciilifeform: phf: kills how ?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 18:08:18; phf: or my favorite http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable&search=asciilifeform
asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412134 << this is very spiffy ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: this was on my list of things to include, but i wanted to 'take it slow.'
mod6: phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
ben_vulpes: phf: you'll note that's more or less exactly what my v does
ben_vulpes: just snarking phf
ben_vulpes: nifty phf
ben_vulpes: phf: btcbase keeps getting niftier
asciilifeform: phf: very spiffy
asciilifeform: phf: why is shiva 'deprecated' ?