log☇︎
7300+ entries in 0.548s
bounce: also depends on your perception. this is perhaps the more cogent point. who's going to be right? well... if we're lucky and they're not a lot of the cogs in the usg are going to feel mightily blindsided.
bounce: morally, but the usg doesn't care about that; it figures it's too big to fail
mircea_popescu: but really, this silkroad thing is becoming a major liability for the usg, after having actually crossed the line from gain to liability sometime in spring.
mircea_popescu: bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable. << they "just knew" heh.
bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable.
thickasthieves: usg saying "hey it's only illegal if you get caught right?"
mircea_popescu: because cloudflare, as any other usg product, can never be a failful piece of shit that doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: so then. the price tanked temporarily because the usg tried, and failed, to kill it.
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe suppose you read the logs for the past few days and/or http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
asciilifeform: interesting that one usg mole could achieve this.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest.
asciilifeform: there's a reason no one but usg funds the 'homomorphic' work. it is - their wet dream.
decimation: yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg
decimation: whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course
decimation: you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission
mircea_popescu: maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ?
mircea_popescu: i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it.
decimation: I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other
decimation: it's difficult to inspect the usg/fed's actions with the naked eye
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe.
bounce: pffft. they /are/ the fed. it's not actually an usg institution.
decimation: TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote
decimation: yes, usg is still responsible.
asciilifeform: in what way are these folks meaningfully separate entities from usg?
decimation: personally I find it far more likely that some big bank/'investment house' is doing usg's bidding in exchange for future favors from usg
mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and i suspect usg also gets it. they're banking on just one hope, killing btc somehow through stampede
mircea_popescu: as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself
asciilifeform: when usg sets off a bomb in iraqanistan, the metal, trotyl, guidance circuits - are also 'sold' and 'below market' also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even imagine who would be dumb enough to lend btc to usg, considering the gold obligations affair
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: usg wasted another hundred million... << if they can't power the waterfall with debt, they'll power it with plundered btc (as being done now, at least as suggested by the publicly known facts.)
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ << silkroad bet resolved and other considerations
jurov: what can usg default on? does it have any bitcoin-denominated debt yet?
decimation: asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in-
decimation: inevitably there's going to be some usg 'dept of c-machine hygiene'
decimation: there is something poetic about a prisoner literally impregnating the state's authority personified, and it says something about usg & friends
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert << no u
decimation: re: usg officials with 'immunity' : http://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/exclusive-family-business-at-the-national-security-agency
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (more in that vein: are the tax authorities permitted to harass them, as if they were mortals? or need permission first.) << usg employees are notoriously immune to "mistakes" on their filings.
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert
decimation: generally those that 'start in the fed' are going to be given 'make-work' jobs anyway, because it is known that their use was delivering usg decisions, not having skills
decimation: mircea_popescu: well it is likely the case that the goldman people are the 'betters' of the usg employees in many ways
decimation: agreed, but it's not like one needs substantial evidence to imagine that usg employees are derpy bureaucrats who kowtow to people who make literally 10x their salary
kakobrekla: imm prolly usg covert
mircea_popescu: like currently, working for the usg is a positive value. you get health insurance, a salary, etc.
mircea_popescu: that was scammy at the time but by now even the usg is doing it, so it seems to have been legalised ipso facto
ben_vulpes: COIN is a tool of the USG, the SEC will approve whatever it takes to get fake btc into american hands.
mircea_popescu: can't now be reproduced by the usg, with the help of a smaller bucnh of much more retarded "community" members.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if the "community" wasn't mostly composed of retards, i'd be sponsoring a USG=STS grafitti campaign all over the 50 contiguous states.
asciilifeform: i.e. buying a crypto a.g. item is an explicit gesture of bending over and arse-spreading to usg by vassal state or org
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah I figured it was hopeless, but I wanted to pretend like my bezzlars were not locked in a usg approved cage
mircea_popescu: <decimation> indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed. << this is roughly equivalent to, "the other day, i tried to find a natural process going backwards in entropy. i didn't succeed"
decimation: indeed. The other day I was trying to find an etf or stock that didn't depend on 'bezzle' (ie usg fiat finance). I didn't succeed.
diametric: yeah. though if you pay the usg something instead of trying to null out the taxes, it goes a long way to avoiding troubles in the future, or so I heard from friends of mine that have been independent contractors for decades.
decimation: there's no doubt that 'owning' a business is a good way to skate usg taxes
decimation: usg's official rate is $0.56 per mile http://www.irs.gov/2014-Standard-Mileage-Rates-for-Business,-Medical-and-Moving-Announced
decimation: mircea_popescu: obviously at the cost of draining productivity from the minority of the productive, but that hasn't stopped usg in the past
decimation: beyond the usurious rates, it is a double insult that usg insists that you participate in its crimes against honest accounting while paying 'tax' with your tax
decimation: asciilifeform is that why usg employee's income is not 'pretaxed'?
asciilifeform: now in most cases, it's usg's money (sometimes one or two steps removed) in the first place.
decimation: it's amusing that usg taxes labor at usurious rates and then whines about how employment is so low
decimation: and of course usg needs to know about your employment situation
decimation: press organs are about as accountable as usg 'leaders'
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/cisco-the-internet-needs-more-control/ <<< this from the company that lost 90% of its sales because it turned out they worked as usg spies.
chetty: I would think usg has enough stuffs on it plate without bothering but I guess there could be people with 'ideas'
mircea_popescu: chetty i wouldn't be surprised if the usg was in fact trying to assasinate her.
chetty: yesterday Kirshner went on a rant that usg was trying to assassinate her and bring down govt here
mircea_popescu: decimation: this is a rarity in usg, where someone says "I am responsible" and they are fired << the way i understand it, the us works by firing. so originally people were disincentivised from taking responsibility, in the hopes of avoiding it. as it didn't work... you'll be seeing more and more of that behaviour.
decimation: this is a rarity in usg, where someone says "I am responsible" and they are fired
thickasthieves: what's the deal with usg only making current-year tax form PDFs available as "drafts"
mircea_popescu: bounce: usg redefines data collection << lol.
bounce: usg redefines data collection to allow all data dragnets: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140929/13451828665/executive-order-12333-documents-redefine-collection-authorize-majority-dragnet-surveillance-programs.shtml
decimation: AMD mainly sells usg anti-monopoly prosecution protection
decimation: wow. I thought the problem with buying usg surplus is that you have to buy a pallet
decimation: I yearn for the days when usg would actually create a spec for an object and have it manufactured
asciilifeform: cheapest way to get airtight crate, by a factor of 10, is usg surplus.
decimation: re: bankruptcy << usg is bankrupt (as discussed yesterday). the natural law of bankruptcy demands that the bankrupt lose control of their assets to the creditors
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.
pete_dushenski: decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)
ben_vulpes: punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.
ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
decimation: it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more
decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion
The20YearIRCloud: Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family
The20YearIRCloud: And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number
decimation: in fact the evidence we have is that they have tried to merge with usg since it became thinkable
asciilifeform: as if it is possible to have independent existence from usg while being 'the #1 xxx' in u.s. media organs ever.
decimation: it will be depressing to watch google slowly merge into usg
chetty: lmao, not so hidded, unless you tend to believe usg published numbers
decimation: why does zuckerberg want to beg usg for cheap slave labor?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, decimation: usg has a famous, traditional limit for number of top bureaucrats in one square km.
asciilifeform: decimation: understand that this had no bearing on usg-triggered surprises.
asciilifeform: both, afaik, market primarily to usg and subsidiaries
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car << these words.
mircea_popescu: decimation: apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment << the great "we infiltrated them for once" success story ? myeahg.
mircea_popescu: but unlike the other fucktards involved, he didn't go away into the night, and his efforts are at the root of why we even pose a problem to the usg today in the first place.