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asciilifeform: registered by a certain van der Wansem of 'btcsoccer' ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544115.0 ? https://github.com/tomasvdw/btcsoccer ? or some other, unrelated crackpottery ? or plain disinfo..? )

asciilifeform: Framedragger: tbh i don't actually give enough of a shit to try to cut apart the ball of yarn in shitlang -- what part stolen, when, from which logs ( our discussion of block/tx storage has been running for ages )

asciilifeform: so far i see a shitoshi block format parser

Framedragger: if it's a good idea it must be stolen from asciilifeform.

mircea_popescu: first it was "get a college degree doing no work -- just on the basis of your current experience!11" now it's "draw a salary doing nothing other than recounting the psychogenic hum in your otherwise empty brainbox".

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 22:15 trinque: by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640387 << ~everyone can do just about anything without risking such a wonder seeing how the shit dun werk. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640115 << not a bad idea. blog fare if nothjing else. ☝︎

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/07/installing-openbsd-on-macppc/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Installing OpenBSD on MacPPC

asciilifeform: asciilifeform finally found a rng-usable beta decay source that is permitted in every country's post office, available worldwide, and for a few bux per kg : ordinary KCl.

pete_dushenski: "Well I was a major miner for over two years and I lost out because other people had a lower CoC. I had to say goodbye to a business that I built from the ground up. I’m not calling fowl play and throwing my toys out of the pram. Its called business and its what enables people to invest in bitcoin." ~sam cole (tm). so fowl. so chicken. cluck cluck!

ben_vulpes: i'm not going to crack a web browser when the bot's right there

ben_vulpes: i was hoping for a bait reimplementation

trinque: by the nato precedent set by turkey, I'd expect russia can down an american plane or two without risking a nuclear exchange, eh? ☟︎

trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VBOWD/?raw=true << values part of an insert is a table literal

BingoBoingo awaits pete_dushenski's eventual conversion to plasticar and panel replacement that requires only a good flat head screwdriver

trinque: mircea_popescu: reads block nobody, never block. I understand the where clause of an insert statement to be a condition on a read query that gets fed into a write, just as my "common table expressions" ('with' keyword) feed into each other.

pete_dushenski: haha well mine is for sale... could always gift. can you give me a tax receipt for your needy cause ?

shinohai: ty pete_dushenski ... gonna buy me a celebratory mercedes? :)

mircea_popescu: suppose S = "insert if not exists where a = b" prototype. suppose S takes time T composed of ti for the insert and tw for the where clause. Suppose thjere's 5 concurrent S presented to db, S1..S5. are you saying that IN NO CASE will Sn wait for a Twi where i != n ?

mircea_popescu: trinque so an insert if not exists where a = b does NOT block a different select while it checks the where clause ?

BingoBoingo: Trump needed contrast to Obama/watches too much television, and needs a pretext to come into friendship with Putin honestly if MWGA is to happen

trinque: mircea_popescu: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/mvcc-intro.html << "Internally, data consistency is maintained by using a multiversion model (Multiversion Concurrency Control, MVCC). This means that each SQL statement sees a snapshot of data (a database version) as it was some time ago, regardless of the current state of the underlying data. This prevents statements from viewing inconsistent

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: on contemplation, cars may not be a very good hiding place, they ( esp in usa ) routinely move through chokepoints - toll archs, and these are already equipped with camera and radio receivers << Depends on region and car

ben_vulpes: anyone ever see a trb/buildroot run hang at `checking for gcc float-conversion bug...` ?

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:11 Framedragger: alright. i will grant you that the end system wouldn't be "oh so elegantly simple", because you would have to have a submission queue (maybe something that trinque had in mind). user submits key; gets permalink (immediately); meanwhile key gets sent to master (immediately), and master puts it into "to be inserted" queue. under normal loads, the insertion happens ~immediately,

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done". ☝︎☟︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: customers complain about random outages, att/verizon/$provider wastes a pile of money doing infrastructure testing and then calls in fcc vans for triangulation rolls

mircea_popescu: one could also rack up quite a bill paying the wife for blowjobs.

ben_vulpes: one could rack up quite a bill just splicing cell jammers into mobile power busses, eg cars

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on contemplation, cars may not be a very good hiding place, they ( esp in usa ) routinely move through chokepoints - toll archs, and these are already equipped with camera and radio receivers

asciilifeform: this is quite different from finding a ~bulk~ source

asciilifeform: Framedragger: as it is i have here a crate of 20 modulized ones. but strictly for experiments.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i never found a bulk souce of the ~old~ one

Framedragger: btw supposedly there's a new iteration/model of esp8266, anyone has an opinion?

mircea_popescu: what, there's a rule pigs don't bleed ?

mircea_popescu: get a network of these thick enough in urban setting, an' farewell to arms.

asciilifeform: ideally ( and this was in the gps jammer thread ) your transmitter won't be a point source, either -- but a chorus of ~synchronized~ transmitters far apart, in polygonal pattern

asciilifeform: phf: fox hunt when transmitter walks from dc to daylight is a difficult proposition, unless you're in near field (inductive) range already

mircea_popescu: "everything must be incompatible with fiat legal/political systems" is a fundamental requirement of republican work.

mircea_popescu: "we have a lot of 3 people we keep recycling into stuff"

phf: ben_vulpes: that's easy, someone always adds a shortwave bridge.

phf: i was excited about scuttlebutt for couple of minutes. usually hacks that come out of "digital nomad" circles are at least worth looking at since they have a lot of uncommon requirements built in (must work over 14.4 dialup, etc.). until i realized it's written in javascript by a hacker with "200 packages in npm"

asciilifeform: 'Matrix provides state of the art end-to-end encryption in beta using the Olm and Megolm cryptographic ratchets, and ensuring that only explicitly authorized devices can participate in a conversation. Based on the Double Ratchet Algorithm popularised by Signal...'

ben_vulpes: 'a hero' can an hero

asciilifeform: looks like we can all go home and eat nagant folx!11111 a hero has risen , and written gossipd in gendercommitlang!11111

mircea_popescu: i find wordplay a fine substitute for competent engineering. it betrays such a wordliness in the cunning linguist responsible.

asciilifeform: 'Scuttlebutt is a decent(ralised) secure gossip platform.'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sks does in fact find a key immediately if such is known.

mircea_popescu: yeah things are warming up a little.

mircea_popescu: transparently, screamingly a case of "now that we got something, let's let church and state back in". hurr.

mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, a proper reflex closes in the spine. there's opf course conditioned reflexes which close in the "brain", but not a very conscious part thereof afawk

mircea_popescu: Framedragger reflexes are not a proper subject of this discussion, seeing how we're discussing "thinking" as in, brain phenomena.

a111: Logged on 2015-08-24 18:01 mircea_popescu: previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort.

mircea_popescu: SORTING is the most important activity of the human brain. and you should see how much trouble well experienced slavegirls encounter when their words are interpreted on a first-priority basis.

mircea_popescu: if you're wondering, mp doesn't use the reference because the introduction de novo is a paragraph, the discussion of differentiation is a book.

mircea_popescu: which is why prussians came up with it. fought a helluva lot of recruit idiocy to arrive to the concept.

mircea_popescu: as a general rule, people who can't produce genus/difference definitions for all the symbols in their own output are better off not thinking yet, as what they think thinking is isn't. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: nate the latter ; under the (broadly correct) assumption that a quiet head works and a loud one doesn't. this isn't so different from, eg, buddhism.

mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: it has a point.

asciilifeform: and yes i'm familiar with 'prussian' model of command, where 'a good soldier follows directions, doesn't sit and think' etc.

mircea_popescu: it's important to de-equivocate dumb ; there's two kinds of machine that may be casually referred to as dumb : one that is very slow (eg, z80) / one that is very demanding on the programmer (eg, windows). good programmer wouldn't really call z80 dumb, bad programmer wouldn't really call windows dumb. this directly translates to humans, there's a kind of dumb the incompetent identify mostly disjunct from the kind of dumb the c

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640045 << this is a matter of personal preference. i favour humanses.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:08 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i thought one of the parts was a c proggy. quite certain it is, asciilifeform mentioned it multiple times. python is the web backend afaik

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640141 << Framedragger is correct, there is a wwwtronic (and rfc4880-parsing) front end, that is in python; and a wholly separate werker that actually does the number crunching, in c. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:34 asciilifeform: imho to even suggest such a thing, betrays a very serious misunderstanding of the concept. dumb humans are in every respect an inferior version of the machine. the only thing more agonizing than programming comp, is programming dumb humans.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640045 << this is a matter of personal preference. i favour humanses. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: ah yeah there is a part

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i thought one of the parts was a c proggy. quite certain it is, asciilifeform mentioned it multiple times. python is the web backend afaik ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:18 asciilifeform: understand, if i paste a gpg key into phuctor, and cannot then ~immediately~ link to it in-chan -- phuctor is broken!!

danielpbarron: also please let me know if my format was right. I emulated mod6's thing but maybe there's a better way to do it with iso

danielpbarron: on a related note, which openbsd cds are specifically wanted? i did 5.5 cd1 because i have that pack opened already, and because the more useful cd2 (containing amd64) got damaged when i tried to remove it from one of my iMac G3s that wouldn't spit it back out (it also has ppc -- probably the arch of interest)

trinque: the insert statement can return its id to a calling update statement

asciilifeform: ( a factor belongs to ~one or more~ mods )

trinque: the "unique" is just an index which yes eggogs if insert happens and is already present. the eggog is just a matter of how do you want to find out about this

asciilifeform: is this in point of fact any faster than running a search and ensuring that there is no eggog query submitted ?

asciilifeform: trinque: what happens if a unique constraint is violated ? afaik -- query eggogs

asciilifeform: factors get created by the werker process (in c, and unable to do anything whatsoever other than to search for whether a particular factor already exists)

trinque: you have a keys table, factors table, factors has a unique constraint on value column of factors, there is a join table called key_factor which joins key and factor

trinque: the fuck is hard about whether a unique constraint bumped into something

asciilifeform: and a ~very~ serious, imho, surrender. 'oh, this thing that you could do whenever you wanted in 2013? can't do it no moar.'

asciilifeform: it's a petrocheese.

asciilifeform: but that ain't a solution imho.

asciilifeform: and yes, if you were to throw out the realtime query ability, you could run phuctor as a 'newspaper'.

asciilifeform: imho to even suggest such a thing, betrays a very serious misunderstanding of the concept. dumb humans are in every respect an inferior version of the machine. the only thing more agonizing than programming comp, is programming dumb humans. ☟︎

asciilifeform: at one point i thought that giving it to other folx could be a reasonable thing. now i ~definitely~ do not

Framedragger: asciilifeform: fwiw i'd be willing to set up a read slave on 16gb dedi box (siphnos, unmetered connection) for fri, that part is not hard imho. sure, if/when decision would be made to *actually expose it to everyone*, things could be moved (and maintained by someone else), but this is one way to prototype things.

asciilifeform: or the cost of getting a 2nd box with five-nines uptime.

trinque: my proposal was to put your turdworks in a box

asciilifeform: and if ANY of these exist previously, incl. from a submission 5 seconds ago -- they gotta be correctly linked

Framedragger: that is fine, and a postgres trigger would mean that any affected row gets sent off. i do understand that new-key-addition is a db-intense process, of course

asciilifeform: because a key breaks down into moduli, fingerprints, and -- potentially -- known factors

Framedragger: which means, "whenever new row, send it off [without having to execute a new select query etc]"

asciilifeform: understand, if i paste a gpg key into phuctor, and cannot then ~immediately~ link to it in-chan -- phuctor is broken!! ☟︎

asciilifeform: having two databases sounds superficially like a great thing, until you realize that the read-write thing applies just the same to the 'front' one as it does to the existing single.

Framedragger: people are telling you that there is a setup which is better but not multi-mil. it does require planning, etc.

Framedragger: you are presenting a false dichotomy consisting of {current phuctor; $multi-mil db setup}. you propose to escape it by writing new db as the only way to escape it.

asciilifeform: because the CORRECT answer is a sane db that isn't written by motherfucking wreckers

a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)