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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you actually want to get it i'll formalize ?
mircea_popescu: "i don;t understant the mechanisms YET, give me a worktable. with clearly known knobsw on it."
asciilifeform: 'omfg you mean i actually have to understand the mechanics of the problem, and craft an appropriate data structure !? atrocity! gimme sql'
mircea_popescu: i am deliberately toying with this gordian knot.
asciilifeform: re db, imho general-purpose db (i.e. the kind that has query language) is a fundamentally misconceived idea. but we had this thread.
asciilifeform: i suppose
sina: I don't want to carve the stone first time
sina: mircea_popescu: re pseudocode is exactly how I view it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking more for a redo of phf 's very fine "xorg" speech.
phf: in fact only two ports systems i know that will do it out of the box is gentoo's one and homebrew
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno why you read a language in his scribblings, it really is just pseudocode.
phf: sina: i actually checked, and fwiw guix doesn't let you build emacs without dbus dependency. (in fact none of the odds and ends like svg, xml or alsa can be disabled without patching the package definition file)
sina: yeah but I am not making this software and saying you sould use it for serious, or even any, thing
asciilifeform: i.e. made by folx who 'eh what do i care about alfs dystopian futures' etc
sina: I am
asciilifeform: sina: you might be aware, i run a public box that displays a couplea newly-broken rsa keys ~daily
sina: btw asciilifeform thanks for checking out guix, I thought you might be interested after reading old logs of you complaining re ripping dbus out of emacs
sina: yes and it's understood, I'm not trying to make "gossipd for alfs dystopian future" just have some fun for me ☟︎
asciilifeform: sina: the reason why i am not particularly hot&bothered, is that your prototype does not contain any of the parts that comprise 99+% of the necessary work of an adult gossipd ☟︎
phf: i suspect the thinking is that you'll be running a local instance of gossipd, to which you connect over irc, so its main interface is some subset of irc (kind of how bouncers or bitlbee do it)
sina: as it currently sits with deedbot, I currently don't, but can, run my irc connection on compartmented box away from gpg
sina: in the gossipthing I made, the transport layer is tied to the encryption layer
sina: asciilifeform: I do like that idea
mircea_popescu: so you don't have a proper irc client then. see ? i said irc CLIENT. protocol can stay, i see no prob there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also dun see why not irc-driven. protocol fits on index card, and no need to write it again with shoestring and dead squirrel
mircea_popescu: i would say i'm quite happy, actually. as far as the user end is concerned this could work just fine.
sina: anyway, if youre happy with that generally as a "first draft" I am keen to refine incrementally
mircea_popescu: sina ok so, paste the commands again if you will ? i'm logged.
sina: yeah cool that's pretty much what I thought after yoru comments re sqlite/rsa being the main things needing changifying
mircea_popescu: sina honestly i kinda got the tech stuff i wanted to see already, but let's do one so it actually works and there's a "first line exchanged through prototype".
sina: mircea_popescu: you wanna play with this gossipthing yet?! otherwise I'
mircea_popescu: i recall now why i recalled u dudley's piece so firmly. it was because the undescribably sad.
asciilifeform: ' Well, in the early 2000s I did a secure webmail service which was hosted on Sealand. I've always considered that the control of money and payment systems was the linchpin of farm control mechanisms, so following that I became involved in the digital gold currency (DGC) industry. For the past several years I've been involved with a project related to the virtualization of stored value using cryptographically signed digital bearer cert
mircea_popescu: i expect he lives in chile, amirite.
asciilifeform: 'For the past decade I've been a professional agorist, still doing software but working on projects calculated to assist other livestock in getting off the farm as well.'
phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i mean, slightly weird but mostly unwashed seattle happened. wtf was wrong with california ?
mircea_popescu: i bought one of those "make snark while you sleep" things
phf: but i take it the roots of these people is the weird california http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/02/interview-with-kevin-macardry-as-ive.html their author guy is interviewed by a robert anton wilson fanblog, and they are namedropping all the different things that were cool in the 80s
mircea_popescu: mine reloads while i sleep.
phf: i have shortage of snark
mircea_popescu: check it out, i've even officially been on tor nao.
mircea_popescu: in truth, if that's how church went i'd have possibly even gone.
mircea_popescu: ah, so like a catholic church where i take two whores in see through garb and they automagically and behind the scenes deck them in white veils, redo their hair to less brothely and sprinkle holyt water everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why this would be relevant. i'm there on a web browser, nothing happened as of yet.
asciilifeform: and if i had a bitcent for every 'anarchist' pushing usg.tor...
mircea_popescu: t to "come up with their own reasons" as to whether they're studying basic arithmetics or not ; i DO permit them autonomy in the sense that if they bring me a dead body i'll get rid of it rather than you know, "report it to the police".
mircea_popescu: EIC https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/blog_post.html << the obvious objections being that formally this reads just like yet another ustarded neoprotestant "i heard there's a world yesterday and here's how to fix it" tract, as so many before starting with abolitionism and aparently never endingly ; and fundamentally that "autonomy" is utterly naive. i do not permit autonomy my slavegirls, in the sense they don't ge
EIC: not sure i can cleanly define a subset - too new still. just that feelin'
EIC: i get the feeling this is a tight knit group...
mircea_popescu: it has a box, i didn't check it
EIC: i'm connected, so it's working.
mircea_popescu: EIC well, can't connect. i dunno, tell them if anyone cares and let me know when they get around to fixing it ?
phf: that's all i have really, it's 1am in vienna, and i know for a fact there's at least 3 parties going on right now, but i'm kind of beat and sort of thinking about going to sleep. is that how old age feels?
mircea_popescu: i'd use it, why not.
EIC: i think there's a clearnet address, but no one really uses it.
mircea_popescu: i never seen that one.
EIC: i was checking out trilema.com. feels a lot like the anarplex.net approach. more active here.
mircea_popescu: "It's an insoluble problem. Furthermore, I think most bug tracking systems fail us because they make us ask the wrong questions. They force you to pick a side. Hatfields vs. McCoys. Coke vs. Pepsi. Bug vs. Feature Request. It's a painful and arbitrary decision, because most of the time, it's both. There's no difference between a bug and a feature request from the user's perspective. If you want to do something with an applica
mircea_popescu: i had one too, wide 21 pin thing
mircea_popescu: if they did that sort of shit, i could almost respect artists. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in other lulz : ro for straightedge geometry tool is "echer". obviously from french equerre, but i always told people it's from escher.
trinque: I just told him he was right, and kid had a lot less cognitive dissonance to endure.
asciilifeform: trinque: i knew a d00d who had to spend much time, money, to save his 5yo 'illicitly nontalking' son from 'speshul' school and forced dopings
trinque: "hey trinque, I saw this guy with a big hat. you know him?"
mircea_popescu: i see!
asciilifeform: if i'm an ukr, he can be a czech, lel
mircea_popescu: did i tell the story of this art major chick who becoming homeless ended up living inside one of her creations ?
asciilifeform: 'jcomeauictx wrote: getting started. sponsor: do you know that Bountysource hasn't been paying out escrowed funds to coders for several weeks now? I'm putting this on hold until I hear from Rappo about this. [2017-06-21T21:35:27PDT got my funds a few minutes ago. front burner again.]'
gabriel_laddel_p: I found it to be quite usable until I ended up owing someone for money I'd already spent.
asciilifeform: i take it, a /dev/null for money
mircea_popescu: i was here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent g_l a surplus 'x61', complete with pen. not a bad box, though weathered
mircea_popescu: strangely, i am not very shocked by the turn of this covnersation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i certify the term is apt. i have NEVER seen a country in worse economic shit, including 1980s kazakhstan.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the matter is more, 3rd world understands it is shit, looks up to eu, us, whatever. small brother syndrome. whereas us misperceives itself as civilised, which it isn't nor ever was, and top of teh pile, so couldn't possibly be anyhone to look up to (except of course france, but we dun like to talk about that, liberty fries ha-ha!)
mircea_popescu: i dunno what could be more irrelevant to the united states than the fate of blacks these days, but hey. maybe russian spies.
mircea_popescu: in any case - i can't calculate drag from human body either, nor can anyone else. there's a reason for both http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-19#567906 and wind tunnels irl : it's a measured, not calculated. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whenever i write fiction about rando anglotard gleefully jumping into a steel cock cage the usual gleeful anglotard response is that "he just dun understand what could possibly possess dude in story to behave thusly". nevertheless, when presented with the exact, point-by-point equivalent for their head, they without exception jump right in, which creates the very strange yet picturesque situation where a buncha doods with ste
erlehmann: asciilifeform i think mircea_popescu may be onto something with awareness of transitions. there was this one organization for sucide help (something swiss) and many people who get greenlighted by them actually do not kill themselves.
erlehmann: but i can't really put it together
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asciilifeform: 'hey gotta eat pistol but all i got is 9mm' , picture
asciilifeform: 'i need to jump but only got keys to 5th floor so no dice' said afaik nobody ever
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
erlehmann: i regret my remark
mircea_popescu: i just did the math to show you the thing you copy/pasted is nonsense -- surely someone jumping from 214 meters (about 100 floors) will still die.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu of course i have no idea how to calculate drag from human body and believe skydiver websites
asciilifeform: i thought only 'demonstrative emos' can be talked out
asciilifeform: actually no! i only ever read about mircea_popescu's argentines doing this
asciilifeform: i dun get it, why trains. why not roofs, bridges, etc
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the guy's cessna was insured.
asciilifeform: ( naturally 0 , afaik, official count, but back when i rode the train daily, it was delayed 'for track problem', and telltale equipment visible later, every few mo. )
mircea_popescu: i ignore and triage as it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not protesting the passage of time, nor its effects. merely remarking on it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679878 << i'm curious, what's the non-blue alternative? read all?! then no time to eat, sleep... read 0? state-of-the-art solution, practiced by many. but sometimes crackpot proofs are novel in some entertaining way. hence 'triage' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: apparently "don't step in front of subway, you will die" is a lot less comprehesible to 8 yo japanese girl than "if i end up having to pay a fine for it I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
erlehmann: i am glad such stuff exists, because association with it shows stupid. if i remember correctly, debian response to keybase fuckery was: we consider stuff showing up on keybase compromised, any keys showing up will be shot on sight.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got one of those bar shot ladle things, for ease of delivery. it's a very useful implement.