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mircea_popescu: the replacement of causes with purposes in this sense is the ONLY point of "school" as the socialists do it. it's uninteresting to understand exactly what the theory of gravity is, says or does, or what a number is, or anything else of that kind

mircea_popescu: "here's what happened, and here's our story of a string of causes which we call purposes" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, very fundamentally libertard this "framing" approach, quintessentially what "progress" is all about. here's what happened, now let me hallucinate a string of pseudocauses and outcomes which you can believe in!

phf: nah, a very naive, outsider "somebody gifted me bitcoin, i logged into coinbase recently and the whole experience is a piece of shit, so bitcoin, shmitcoin, whatever"

mod6: can i also say that this whole lobbesbot thing is a pretty great model. does auctions, then he collects the fees (monthly?).

mircea_popescu: a

mod6: i didn't sleep a wink last night.

mircea_popescu: poached the cr soccer coach, it's a thing

mircea_popescu: dunno if you've ever seen this in practice, 2nd born with a huge boner/inferiority complex.

mircea_popescu: teh ticos (costa rican ethnonym) are actually very serious, dedicated people. like shorter, more pleasant californians let's say. the nicaraguans are dorks and the panamanians are all to a man this strange rendition of the frustrated shittier brother.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 19:56 asciilifeform: idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'

asciilifeform: interestingly, when asciilifeform was a cable runner he had a very cheap but effective similar-looking 'fox and hound' tool. i suspect that these are easier to get right , because the signal injected by the 'fox' is not 60hz and is not pestilentially everywhere in the house

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hard to think of a more catastrophically useless tool << There a better an worse variants of this tool. Pretty much only the good ones sell for this reason.

mircea_popescu: heh. is it actually a negress signing ?

mircea_popescu: fiatards are a fine example of claiming they resolved a problem by conceptual contorsion.

asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is Bitcoin. Bitcoin enthusiasts claim it solved the “double spend” problem. A music MP3 can be copied multiple times so how do you stop digital money being spent multiple times? Very simple, you do not create a form of money that lacks a central authority.' << ahahhahaha ☟︎

asciilifeform: i have a prehistoric variant of this tool that worx great, but it has a little ring that opens & clamps around wire

asciilifeform: possibly delicate balance, between finding it anywhere in the room ( as a poorly made amp will ) and nowhere ☟︎

asciilifeform: and lulzily enough it is a copy of american item, by 'fluke'

asciilifeform: hard to think of a more catastrophically useless tool

asciilifeform: (mostly) unrelatedly, asciilifeform bought some chinese $various , and , in the crate, discovered a phree goodie, a 'voltalert' tool, that supposedly tests for presence of mains current noncontactfully -- by looking for 50/60Hz electric field. but witness the surprise : it gives false negative on maybe 1/3 of the hot mains wires tried... ☟︎

asciilifeform: and likewise there is the 2 or so y.o. thread that all of this is a living branch of, the one with the np-hard boojums. that'd be the real mega-prize

mircea_popescu: a a a the five-points-fridge

asciilifeform: naturally there was nothing provable re aes -- but it served a useful end, which was to make machine evaluation of the contents en masse, impractical

asciilifeform: many, many years ago, asciilifeform wrote a ( and won't claim to be the only one who had this simple idea ) thing for evading censorware, that'd encipher a blob ( aes, iirc ) and package all but N bits of the key with the compressed ciphertext

asciilifeform: 'can't be used' is a flexible concept...

asciilifeform: yes but this could have a use !

asciilifeform: thing is, i'm quite sure that a hashtron satisfying the original ('make it maximally nasty, with provably no respite') condition CAN be made. i'ma come back to it when i wrap up my current megabacklog.

asciilifeform: a cycle ( by mircea_popescu's own proof from other day ) is repeated ( i.e. rewound ) 1-2 times

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a binding of 8mb for 1024 bytes of M seems perfectly fine to me,

a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 21:57 asciilifeform: this thing wouldv'e made a great olympiad problem, midnightmagic

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the thing about glue traps, is that 'entry is a buck, exit -- two' << Perhaps go and take local pesticide applicator licensing class? May improve your metaphors?

asciilifeform: this thing wouldv'e made a great olympiad problem, midnightmagic ☟︎

ben_vulpes: heh or just have a dummy cable snake out from under the hood

trinque: gotta put a railgun in teh bed, charge that

ben_vulpes: it is though, obvious transit welfare for the homeless. "no i don't have id, no i don't have a place of residence, good luck getting the fine out of me"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do they do the "i am a black man fighting THE man therefore only white people gotta pay" thing ?

trinque: ben_vulpes: I dunno that I ever once paid for a train or streetcar in pdx

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's a handheld

ben_vulpes: "sorry for the inconvenience sir, you have a good day now. you know they keep saying there's a patch coming that'll improve battery life for these things, but i haven't seen it yet." "heh yeah and i don't beliueve that it'll work."

ben_vulpes: in shitantium lols, i submitted my nfc train fare card for inspection this am. portoscanner a: couldn't read through the leater of my wallet, b: came out of the fare inspector's pocket hung, c: unhung only to die for lack of batteries.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 14:34 asciilifeform: sorta was the original point of a school, neh. a reasonably safe reservation where 'chix who have not yet learned to wash' can lean to wash, without creating dangers to self and others.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. not a problem that reasonably gets a final solution, but rather shifting sets of engineering compromises )

mircea_popescu: which is a good chunk of why mp doesn't idle in a buncha chans

mircea_popescu: i don't mean the, give poor kids a free delousing and glasses part of no kid left behind. i mean the make smart kids dumber part.

asciilifeform: ved _all_ their investments in their people this way, because it is as unhealthy for a market with disproportionate power in the hands of employees as it is with disproportionate power in the hands of employers...'

asciilifeform: '...C/C++ are quite interesting languages from a marxist point of view, too (it being May 1 and all): they are so bad that any professional who wants to do interesting work needs to learn new tools all the time and have the employer pay for it. the means of production are thus removed from the hands of the owners into the hands of the workers in a very new way. if the employers were any smart, they would not use languages that remo

mircea_popescu: marginal bob at google figures if there's a shitlang involved that gives him some protective moat agfainst above average fred.

asciilifeform: ( somewhat unrelatedly , i find the fact of google and crapple each adopting a proprietary shitlang, to be a fascinating thing from 'labour politics' pov -- was it an attempt to put a damper on 'poaching' of workers ? or something else. )

asciilifeform: because if i see an l1 fella eating rat poison, even a very very sweet one, i'd like him to at least be aware of what it is he is doing

mircea_popescu: like a "woman".

mircea_popescu: you know guns kill people and yet i being a people still know how they work and even took one apart once. as opposed to running in screaming terror

trinque: meanwhile what Lord is going to fear that a student's folly will affect anything but himself

trinque: meaning no disrespect to sina (and I figure he knows this from output) his pronouncements are not going to have the same effect on tmsr as a Lord's will

asciilifeform: and the thing about glue traps, is that 'entry is a buck, exit -- two'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i ( and , as in linked threads, in the past, mircea_popescu also ) observe that golang is not 'simply another prog lang' but a carefully built intellectual gluetrap for the naive and energetic

mircea_popescu: do you understand why ahm im sorry. do you have a working theory as to why the bangladeshis are drinking river of shit ?

mircea_popescu: this is at a considerable distance from what you actually said though.

a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 16:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here';s the thing : i didn't get that impression from what you were saying. and the substance of a scam is when the reader doesn't get that impression from the copy.

mircea_popescu: also developed a taste for own shit in the process.

mircea_popescu: i don't, because it's meaningless as such. but fulfillment is a long way

asciilifeform: ( i have not ever visited a cement plant in person yet either )

mircea_popescu: so what you're saying is that if you were a canon of the town church, you WOULD picket them ?

asciilifeform: brothels ain't an organized effort to take a massive shit in my fits-in-headization of the comp.

mircea_popescu: you ever visited a brothel asciilifeform ?

mircea_popescu: moreover a large part of fun consists of doing stupid shit.

mircea_popescu: no such thing was notioned other than in asciilifeform 's own head. it's not present in conversation, not even for the trivial "alf put it there to have a rant basis"

asciilifeform: trinque: understand, asciilifeform's barf is not in response to 'd00d wrote a proggy in piglang' but to the notion that it is perhaps a thing to be considered for serious deployment, and an experiment that ought to be replicated by other folx who do not normally keep piglang on their iron

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you could never everr, no matter what, go into their harappan little huts and lift the beaded clothes to find harappan cunt, and then explain to your host, "well, it's ok for a coupla hours i guess, but i wouldn't live here. BECAUSE..."

trinque agrees, but arrived here with python, wrote a deedbot

asciilifeform: the way i see it, it is the duty of a serious n00b , who wants to become an adult practitioner of whatever black art , to learn a human lang like french, english, german, etc , rather than to expect the learned folx to learn his piglang, quechua, whichever...

mircea_popescu: i can sort-of decrypt the deadpan rhetorical overstatement to the point of absurdity device you practice about 2/3 of the time or so. but i'm a fucking trained decoder and honestly i dunno if there's another alive.

mircea_popescu: it's a dangerous way to work.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here';s the thing : i didn't get that impression from what you were saying. and the substance of a scam is when the reader doesn't get that impression from the copy. ☟︎

trinque: asciilifeform: still gotta let newbs fuck around / fuck up or you get a generation of idiot puritans, and nobody ever learns anything again.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works.

asciilifeform: but to date i have not even succeeded in building clang ! despite trying a number of times, because the lattice fpga thing needs it

mircea_popescu: let's get back to shoot her and let her to bleed out in a parking lot.

asciilifeform: because it is a ludicrous proposition -- massive ball of shit, that makes gcc look compact and fits-in-head.

asciilifeform: what we have in the golang thing, is a loaded camel for carrying multi-GB of heathen liquishit into tmsr intellectual infrastructure .

asciilifeform: mno. a forth is a few Kb and 0 deps.

asciilifeform: interestingly 'golang' is a pretty straight ripoff of 'D' (by digital mars co.)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with the traditional "use it while it works and then shoot her in a parking lot and leave her there to bleed a la jane fonda" ?

asciilifeform: otherwise it is a camel's nose, an infiltration of enemy.

mircea_popescu: it's not a tenable position. even if laughter was not in aristotle. because, again, and i mean this most literally, the smell of sv is the smell of cunt.

mircea_popescu: it's not a tenable position. even if laughter was in aristotle. because, again, and i mean this most literally, the smell of cv is the smell of cunt.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't keep a list of verboten camel noses.

mircea_popescu: a too late soz

asciilifeform: it gets a dedicated physical console here, and almost every week i gotta restart it by hand, see wtf , why is db gummed up etc

asciilifeform: and quite a misery.

phf: not for the offense of using a heretic language

phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out ☟︎

phf: but i'm trying to reproduce "single threaded mpfhf-golang can provide a 32-bit mpfhf hash of GPLv2 in ~7m" on my machine

shinohai: phf there was a space before your !~

a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:39 phf: sina: is that ^ a correct method?

phf: sina: is that ^ a correct method? ☟︎☟︎

phf: but requires a handful of unsightly (the ...) in a few places, so not really worth it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably like discarded mattress in a rubbish heap

mircea_popescu: like what, the discarded mattresses people locate half a mile out of town or so to fuck randos on ?

mircea_popescu: in other usistani ideas : register "techrite" as a brand. then people can say "he's got the techrite" about your users.