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asciilifeform: aha! what i learned was: throw it out and derive from 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:04 asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
asciilifeform: trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant
asciilifeform: ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )
asciilifeform: so i asked 'what would this look like on sane iron' and ended up with ffa
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682578 << that was sorta the whole point. the traditional bignumtrons drove me batshit with their insistence on 'limbs' etc. i.e. nonuniform, heapy memory ☝︎
phf: i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master" ☟︎
phf: and the habits that i do pick up would be eliminated in the next round of learning
phf: i can learn from that avionics code and possibly not even pick up too many bad habits, but i doubt i could've done that 15 years ago
trinque: most important bits probably in youth, i.e. beatings for the hint of lying shitbag.
asciilifeform: but i am not currently sure whether this is teachable.
asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. 'what do you ACTUALLY NEED for rsa ?'
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma try again. for past few yrs i collected various maculature re 'bignum arithmetic', etc. and it all turned out to be rubbish, it is going to the flea market. because was made by people who did not consider the essentials.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:58 mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years.
phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, it's why i gave up on the notion. djb is too old to be worth it, just like 35yo woman caught in wild.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, teh dungeon calls ; i shall be back in a coupla.
mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 sn0wmonster: i like how you made this about you.
mircea_popescu: phf i'll propose to you that the problem is too much over"thinking". the idea is to get the idiot stop doing what he thinks is thinking.
phf: asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.
mircea_popescu: kids about the age of i dunno, 15 or so if they're really late with the brain development discover ourdemocracy spawned parents can never threaten.
asciilifeform: see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 for what i mean ☝︎
phf: bulk of ada code i've seen so far is very much workingmen code, cobol like stuff from the belly of industrial facilities
asciilifeform: ( i like dead tree. and know some folx who also like. )
asciilifeform: i've even contemplated making the result available, somehow, in dead tree, eventually.
asciilifeform: 'i have 9000 layers of metatronics keeping track of own navel lint' ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'look at my loc counter, i am HARD WORKER!'
asciilifeform: ( and ftr i have nfi whether adacore's thing works on netbsd etc )
asciilifeform: i took 1 look and thought 'straight to the furnace with this'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
asciilifeform: phf: witness what i did re mmap for instance. ☟︎
asciilifeform: for all i know , latest one forces use of [] in place of ()
asciilifeform: phf: lol, i haven't updated since...
phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i will not be using the clang gnats )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 00:56 asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions.
asciilifeform: thus far i am satisfied with my ability to cleanly scrape the shit off gnat. e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681702 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681931 produces asm that satisfied my 'is this really nonbranchingonsecretz' headache. ☝︎☝︎
diana_coman: well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point ☟︎
phf: i'm not sure how kosher it is (it's SPARK but they also use gnat extensions), i'm just recreating their project at a local hackerspace
phf: i haven't stayed up to date, i'm instead studying this avionics software source code (it's a bit iffy, written by universities, but has a wider variety of stuff)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682345 << i have, can post it again, but afaik the interface has changed since. ☝︎
andreicon: thx a lot guys, i feel like i'm going to have a good time talking to you here
andreicon: i'll meet you guys and gals later. ofc diana_coman, i will also register a key as soon as i reach my home office
andreicon: sorry to cut this short but i gotta switch offices
andreicon: i do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe
shinohai: I'd recommend it as worth taking the time to learn to anyone interested in computing.
andreicon: i'm not yet familiar with the inner workings of the init system
shinohai: I am a former Debian user, now ashamed to say I used it for so long after being here and learning to gentoo properly.
andreicon: nevermind that... i just felt i was stuck so i had to get my mind busy with something else
andreicon: i'm thinking of switching to something different
andreicon: so i was looking up bsd and arch
andreicon: i want something i've never used before
andreicon: but then... i had already used fedora before
andreicon: just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting ☟︎
andreicon: i'll look into it later this evening
diana_coman: ahh, I see; take it easy, it's a deep rabbit hole
andreicon: and 5 minutes ago i found thebitcoin.foundation which linked to here
andreicon: i was looking up openbsd ☟︎
andreicon: i had just learnt of the existence of #trilema and thebitcoin.foundation
andreicon: okay, i suspected that. sry. let's stick to english
andreicon: i've been happy seeding the chain
andreicon: i don't think i've updated mine in a while
andreicon: i already run a btc node
shinohai: I pride myself in using precise spelling and grammar when possible.
shinohai: That's comforting, I have spoken to too many markov bots of late.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 21:57 phf: asciilifeform: i did a thing
mircea_popescu: first country i didn't miss tzuica.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the driver didn't get any. i drink responsibly.)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho! << Bless federalism. That's some sort of attempted murder in Illinois, but "Cool, have fun kids" in Missouri
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i never grasped the reason for this << Sloth
mircea_popescu: i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho!
mircea_popescu: mod6 ah, i didn't get fined. or otherwise bothered.
mircea_popescu: (and i dun blame them for pushing the issue -- i have seen more cars dead on roadside here, incl IN TOWN than i had previously in my entire life.)
mircea_popescu: they have some laser reader thing i think
mircea_popescu: so i explain to him that looky, i just bought it, i had it redone, new brakes, shocks, everything in there. two weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: guy goes through dirver girl's papers, then asks for car papers. i'm liek, you don't need car papers in cr dood, sez my lawyer
mod6: he said, "when i looked in the rearview mirror, i saw flames, and my brain tried to tell me that i was imagining the flames."
mod6: in 1994 i worked at this gas station, and this dude who used to come in and get gas had his ENTIRE car filled with empty cig packs.
asciilifeform: i never grasped the reason for this
mod6: eitherway, i had a good laugh out of this tale, as i can picture this as indeed, many people fill their cars with trash.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> motorized dumpster! << so recently i was told a story about how this guy in ohio borrowed this car that was a dumpster on wheels -- i'll spare you all the details, but the long of the short of it is; this guy's life was saved when he was t-boned by a dumptruck on the freeway because of all the garbage in the car.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture, when i go fishing i dun even eat the worms along the way
BingoBoingo: <mod6> apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there? << It's back now. The General Assembly had to suck a lot of other state's dicks, but it's back
mod6: apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there?
asciilifeform: i thought the whole point of lotto is to walk around with the 'schrodinger' ticker, picture bathtubs of money etc
mircea_popescu: i imagine not owned outright
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the lube job goes.
mircea_popescu: o i know. everyone else pays two bux a liter ; except the "enviro conscious" usians, they pay 0.5 a liter.\
mod6: i gotta get one and try it out
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682056 << then i moved to next line in logs, noticed it's actually a tmsr-caltrop this thing ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682055 << i actually spent a minute trying to trace the etymology of "parabel" until finally figured out wtf it is. ☝︎
mod6: ya, that doesnt look as bad. i could go on for hours. how the government complicates how i pour liquid out of a container.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i saw, you can still get blackmarket traditional 'jerry can'.
mod6: now i just pour out the normal widemouth with a funnel. spill gas everywhere.
mod6: they have this frickin lock/unlock "spill proof" neck on them. that i have to simply discard cause i can't figure out how to use it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt << I thought it was for chihuahuas