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sina: just, hopefully a list of adversary capability mapping to outcomes
trinque: there is even a historic copy of grandfather's pistol in deedbot
asciilifeform: sina: currently there is exactly 1 rsatron that anybody worth mentioning uses, gpg. which is a sad joke in 9,001 ways, and slated for replacement
asciilifeform: sina: there is a ru proverb, pertinent, also : 'you cannot conceal an awl inside a sack'
sina: what I'm trying to understand, is which adversaries can mount a timing attack, and which cannot, given async comms
asciilifeform: anyway, the 'modern' scheme, with the synchronized bolt, is a german invention
asciilifeform: can have a second man, but in the cardboard planes this was an expensive mass proposition.
asciilifeform: but this was quickly found to be a sad joke, folx wanted to mount machine gun
sina: asciilifeform: if you would consider this question as a continuation of that thread rather than repeat, I'd appreciate
asciilifeform: the 'write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived' contention is merely a special case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674800 ☝︎
asciilifeform: sina: your question is in fact a repeat of old thread , which you participated in, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674790 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it is perfectly conceivable that by following eg your delay in response to pings on a network-routable box while a decryption is in progress, at least part of the key material can be derived.
sina: giving them away to whom? certainly not to a passive network adversary...right?
mircea_popescu: sina example situation, you decrypt your message in a room with an ipad, lose the key.
sina: I mean, I get that there are timing attacks you could perform if there was a synchronous stream of traffic happening
mircea_popescu: sina you mean, is there a side channel for constant time ops ? or for rsa as commonly implemented atm ?
sina: asciilifeform: basically I am wondering about the "threat model" of constanttime sidechannel stuffs. for example, let's say I want to write you an email with RSA encrypted body, or receive same from you, is there really a sidechannel there? I guess I'm asking in terms of async vs sync encrypted comms
sina: asciilifeform: if you are about I have a question for the resident expert on constanttime stuff
mircea_popescu: a ok then
ben_vulpes: in other toxic masculinity news, one of the guys i share the office with brought a set of olympic weights in
mircea_popescu: arguably not as well made, either. the original had a lot of "boxes" and shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was not proposing that as a flaw.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:41 mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686295 << mircea_popescu would enjoy surprises no moar than asciilifeform does if he did not have a thick layer of otherpeople to insulate own skin from them ☝︎
mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head. ☟︎
trinque: loving mother nature says get a bigger head, or die
mircea_popescu: well, whole point would be if the ugly fat kid would get the whole world to love him. but, fail that, picking and choosing which other's private keys can do what when will have to do as a substitute.
asciilifeform: better make it a 30mm flak round to be sure
trinque: eating a bullet would put an end to all this fretful uncertainty!
asciilifeform: what's the point of learning aerodynamics for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow, there are so many traps in flying, and the argument to believe that it is possible to safely travel in an airplane requires understanding so many lemmas. it is easy to get into a spin, how can one not believe they are not headed screaming into the ground along the way....
whaack: what's the point of learning crypto for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow. there are so many traps in number theory, and the argument to believe that using a scheme like RSA is secure requires understanding so many lemmas. It's so easy to make a false proof, how can one not believe they're not being duped (intentionally or unintentionally) along the way to enlightenment. The one time pad is really the only thing I trust to t
mircea_popescu: "costs nothing" and "love her". after a fashion, both of these.
asciilifeform: a very large fraction of ~both~ is devoted to rubbish (des, kerberos, dsa) which are of strictly archaeological/entomological interest
asciilifeform: i started with ancient copy of schneier, later found the vanstone and realized that it is a superset
asciilifeform: but there also exists a 3 :
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:11 user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686184 << there were experiments with openbsd, but iirc it is not a currently supported os. so answer is linux unless you're willing to port. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and why not. if it works it works so they get a little more juice, and if it doesn't work... not like anyone's going to jail.
mircea_popescu: this is how teh usg does things, and always has. it takes a special sort of idiot to actually buy into their web of nonsense
mircea_popescu: that vesseness could run his scam foundation a little longer by pretending to take donations "for paying gavin's salary" was simply an expedient cover-up. gavin was getting a nsa salary anyway. to pretend like "btc donations" from suckers paid for it was cheap enough a cover-up.
user705: if ever there was a great price entry point is when people like them quit BTC
shinohai: Seems zooko also started a new scam coin ... Imma hafta come out of retirement for these lulz
user705: oh mike hearn had that bright idea a while ago
mircea_popescu: zooko lol. dude's been a cock puppet since what, day 1?
lobbes: Then I started reading the "trolls", then finally was lead here (I think it was pankkake that tipped me off). Then, it hit me like a "shit-ton of bricks (tm)": I'm retarded! The herd is retarded! I better stop, listen, learn from these evidently superior beings before I'm toast.
user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: get a fg, run tests on it, report results, what have you.
mircea_popescu: or stand up a log bot, or whatever. run a trb node. run the ada implementation passed around recently of a big number calculator and produce 655356! to compare with the given values.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 23:44 mircea_popescu: you know, if it seems a good next step then it likely is.
trinque: now there's a perverse state in which to be trapped; relying on the other's insanity to preserve the delusion of one's own sanity.
asciilifeform: ( actually taking a trip to usa is a ~guaranteed cure )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
trinque: mircea_popescu: I did see a rather long line at the McD's in San Jose when there
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656354 << no sane authority, meaning erodes, can't create a self, masturbate in portable mirror? ☝︎
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform... I just mean there is a lot of noise and this place seems to be the clear signal... and I say "seems" simply because I don't understand it as well as I would need to dispose of that qualifier
mircea_popescu: it must be from a time before, i've nothing else.
mircea_popescu: and in general you know, "i'm not interested in LOOKING at the horses, but where could i snap a selfie from ?"
mircea_popescu: yep, you guessed it, at least a quarter of the riders were taping away at any point.
mircea_popescu: it's a strange perversion of capitalism (whereby if it's not useful it's not worth jack) into displayism (whereby if it's not being seen it's not worth having). so you gotta... DO things with your bitcoin for your bitcoin to exist (not individually, but categorically -- a store of value "does not exist" in this addled worldview.)
mircea_popescu: so now -- why owning a ferrari is nothing, unles you can DO things with it, such as ride it around a clump of "your friends" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elstards are educated from birth to value things only by reference to the herd. it is not important for them to have a great fucktoy at home ; but it is very important for them to take home the girl all the other dorks imagine would be a great accomplishment to take home.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: don't be surprised, if waiting for aug1 or whatever 'wediditreddit event' to get your coin out of a gox, if they only offer to give it back in shitcoin ( or not at all )
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 if it doesn't take a ssd, prolly not useful for bitcoin node. otherwise i vaguely recall ppl trying the raspberry pi and blockverification taking too long
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu... yes I need to do this... is it more expedient for a newb like me to attempt this on my old G5 or should I try it on another rasbpi?
mircea_popescu: if this is too inconvenient/complicated/expensiuve whatever, sell your bitcoin, now, and put the fiat in a fiat bank.
mircea_popescu: so you know, run a proper node, make a new address there, send whatever coinbase/bitaddress/whatever held funds to it and be done.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the point of a private key is that only you know it.
ag3nt_zer0: might anyone help me with this question? I created a paper wallet using bitaddress.org transferred to little airgapped raspberry pi... not wanting to print on my wifi capable printer, I chose to write down the numbers. Now I am wanting to get my coins the hell off coinbase before the nonsense and am concerned that my private key is legit. so, I learned that I could go back on bitaddress.org, offline of course, and click "wallet de
mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble." ☟︎
asciilifeform: contemplated setting up a honeypot for them to see what is the payload, but ars longa
trinque: just that whichever auto-ssh-chewer sybils it up when a particular IP gets banned
trinque had fail2ban off for a while, and looked like there were mostly just two "chinese" IPs chewing on the box. when I re-enabled fail2ban, got moar IPs chewing, either by happenstance or one turd circumventing fail2ban.
mircea_popescu: a keen awareness of... what their parents... don't notice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand, this is too deep a koan for my small brain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm at a loss re what one can get from inside a111 that ain't easier to get from the upstream isp.
asciilifeform: log bot seems like a pathetic choice of target, also
phf: it's weird enough that i'm going to spin up a new btcbase instance. this would be a really weird way to mess with it (why not nuke everything, etc.) and i'm sure i could've done something carelessly a while ago, and the things only now caught up, but i'd rather not experiment further.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered. << Fuckers were also sober when arriving to bar
phf: asciilifeform: so test chan is hard written in code, in a defvar, but there's a config (essentially a setq ...) that's supposed to override it. the config was missing (which i ~vaguely~ remember maybe accidentally doing myself). so in any case defvar should've stayed consistent no matter what. i'm not sure ~how~ it could get reset without a complete reload of an instance or an explicit setq
mircea_popescu: ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily << Not really, cars are too safe nowadays. With crumple zones it is hard to die as a drunk driver and the other alcoholic deaths take time. Also many of them ain't wired right to properly drink selves to death. Somehow their brains signal "drunk enough" and then they stop, I have no
asciilifeform: phf: is that a usual fallback ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685822 << i'm not sure what happened. i initially misdiagnosed the issue, and lost the state necessary to figure out alternatives. i'm pretty sure though that the configuration parameters got reset (how??) and the bot was happily sitting on a random test channel ☝︎
BingoBoingo: No idea, twat a different time. Hard to tell from that age's dense forests.
mircea_popescu: correct play, too. he really has no interest in putting in the work to try and salvage the nonsense ; and the pantsuits will have a hell of a time arguing that "we put on the books laws that don't work because we expect they can be constantly patched as a matter of course -- and this is fine"
mircea_popescu: it seems to me like it'd be a human right.
BingoBoingo: A marginally life shortening "Who wants to be 90 anyways" deal
BingoBoingo: Nah, trenbolone isn't lich sort of thing. Definitely a "burn brighter, faster" sort of thing. Cattle feedlot stuff.
BingoBoingo: It's a trilema: transexual, biohacker, or transmayo unsexual
mircea_popescu: gives "going to the shrink" a whole new layer.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wai would a richd00d take ballshrinkelixir << Apparently some users find shrank balls more comfortable, also HCG can be used to preven the shrink
BingoBoingo: Because Bezos sees pantsuit in disarray and wants to become a bull in move to capture pantsuit for self instead of being its bitch boy
mircea_popescu: wai would he wear a tshirt.
asciilifeform: wai would a richd00d take ballshrinkelixir
BingoBoingo: Apparently they are sexually harassing the boss to get him fired? Or mebbe he used owning a newspaper to ghostwrite the thing.
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta probe vanity publishing ass further: "Bezos used to be a giant baby-faced, Kevin-Spacey-faced nerd who sold textbooks on a website and looked ecstatic merely to be alive. Now, he’s buying up bougie grocery stores and publishing a newspaper with a metal-ass tagline. He’s in the putting businesses out of business business, and he’s got the muscle and shaved head to prove it."
BingoBoingo: Apparently according to his fake news outlet: "Most people know that online firearm sales create big loopholes that allow customers to bypass background checks—but who knew e-commerce pioneer Jeff Bezos was hawking guns like these?! The Amazon CEO and Washington Post owner showed up to an Idaho conference in a skintight T-shirt last week, displaying a set of arms most reasonable observers would classify as assault weapons."
mircea_popescu: ie, people will drop ~a specific form~ of a stupid idea just as soon as it's literally beaten from their cold, dead hands, AND NEVER BEFORE.