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phf: but then i was at a potomac jew book club where they were discussing generation p (or one of the earlier novels anyway), and they couldn't get past THE HORROR OF THE 90s, literally entire conversations were about omg so much crime. all these people emigrated right after the collapse, where's for me the staple of 90s (oh there's a dead body on the corner, because petya shnur couldn't share the territory with vasya kulak, shrug) were the norm
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687972 << i'm not sure that's a criticism that can be leveled at pelevin, he's got other traps though. he has a keen eye for the present, but then he adds a layer of interpretation very much in the style of This Is What's Really Happening, which is usually of esoteric nature. his bratki take psychedelic mushrooms "to get fucked up next level!1" and accidentally break into the a shared buddhist realm of higher being, t ☝︎☟︎
trinque: I'm 30 now; 90s amount to a vague memory of "people might've done things before. maybe in the 80s?" ☟︎
phf: but the 90s was such a shoulda-coulda-woulda decade, looking at it in retrospect can only reveal your own limitations. so i can understand mp's sentiment
phf: "unlce vanya will take you in, for a bit of work"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 00:04 phf: i.e. a handful of arrests, a handful of "demoted and moved to a different department" etc. and at least one death that we knew was no longer "bratki"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 17:05 asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
asciilifeform: 'Observing that U.S. officials “naturally feel an obligation to preserve the U.S. global position within a favorable international order,” the report concludes that this “rules-based global order that the United States built and sustained for 7 decades is under enormous stress.”'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:23 mircea_popescu: but -- the fact that A happens to already have a connection to B and therefore B can S for him does not imply or require either A or B be not behind a nat.
ave1: you're welcome! I'm working on getting the gnat gpl code to work with the gcc 4.9.4 release (now they are using a special version of 4.9)
ave1: after 3 hours or so, you'll have a tar file there with static gcc/gnat tools that are all based on musl
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The story of Pointless and Witless on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; The Artful Critic: "Project X" alternately outrageous, fun, daring ...: <http://kibsreviews.blogspot.com/2012/03/project-x-alternately-outrageous-fun.html>; Why do we pay for this pointless witless Z-grade? | Daily Mail Online: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: if you've seen cabaret with liza minelli, i would propose that the rich jewish chick there depicted is a very correct rendition of the hasid maiden.
mircea_popescu: the whole concept was to make the wife more of a domestic partner and less of a domestic animal, with better results wrt the control of the young hussies.
mircea_popescu: i would say it is. it was a genuine reform movement, and it was shockingly liberal for the early 1800s born.
mircea_popescu: the hassids permitted. it's complicated, but, in the context of judaism (which is STRICTLY an eastern european affair, just as "united states" will not be a thing of hawaii even long after the continent is no longer us and the island still clings to history), hasidism was a sort of 1800s 1960s. flower power all the way.
asciilifeform: fwiw classic hassids did not have this problem, didnt permit females within a cannon's shot of temple or talmudery
trinque: which amounts to a reference to USG as a thing with singular agency.
mircea_popescu: the ocean stays the ocean in this discussion for just as long as no one made it ; and not a minute longer. electricity, witness, no longer any kind of god.
mircea_popescu: now, iconoclasm is necessarily a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688192 bullshit. but this does not make the iconolater anything more than the common dog, seriously now. manufactured gods ? and what, with a family ? ☝︎
trinque: look it has a very official sticker on it!
mircea_popescu: this is in a word all of the original most serene republic.
mircea_popescu: as the wise jew once said, "here's a bunch of pennies, let god keep what he needs and let the rest fall back down"
mircea_popescu: it is a pervasive scam. if you can be made to believe bullshit, it may exist.
asciilifeform: trinque: a beehive is not a man. but there is such a thing as a bee-keeper.
trinque: I'm still chewing on this "usg is a man" thing, wondering if I'll hock up anything to spit
mircea_popescu: trinque "not a he". dream of all the losers making up the sea of dumb since forever.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between theft and robbery.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a convenient device but is nonsense. robber who uses 'laws' is not somehow distinct from robber who uses knife.
trinque: usg isn't a he.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally -- sheldon adelson, who is remarkably not ever mentioned by the sort of people who keep going "koch brothers!!!", but otherwise chiefly famous for a) helping trump get 25mn to win the election and b) being involved in a very typically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619009 shakedown and then buying newspaper to attack presiding judge and also making the "charge" go away. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 18:54 mircea_popescu: the man who, walking into a room, overpowers all present, is entitled, by right of force, to whatever he may extract.
asciilifeform: where , e.g., 'he needed gouging' is not a defense
mircea_popescu: there can never be a proforma ban.
mircea_popescu: and if they did -- asciilifeform also not in a position to say if this is good or bad.
mircea_popescu: teh good old teitelbaums, owning a larger school sytstem than the state, helped along to "dynastic disension" etcetera.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-12#951861 a there we go ☝︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 2013 New York divorce torture plot - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_New_York_divorce_torture_plot>; U.S. Accuses 2 Rabbis of Kidnapping Husbands for a Fee - The ...: <http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/nyregion/rabbis-accused-in-kidnapping-plot-to-force-men-to-grant-divorces.html%3Fmcubz%3D2>; Rabbis Accused in Kidnap, Torture Plot to Gain Divorces - Newser: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: so let there be a lot of goat-headed new jews, what.
BingoBoingo: You forget the Jewish peculiarity. If you knock up a Jewish woman, even if the baby comes out dark chocolate, it is still 'on their team' jewfro and all.
mircea_popescu: ewish women into prostitution,[6][page needed] and were generally considered a scourge within their own community.
mircea_popescu: Following Cohen's line of reasoning, one could say that Jewish-American organized crime played a role in the emancipation of the Jewish-American community from the ancient stereotypes. However, Cohen's description of Jewish gangsters ignores their criminality and immorality. These tough characters were still gangsters who extorted, exploited and murdered other members of the Jewish-American community for profit. They forced J
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is such a lulz. after the earlier "ddt from an usian perspective" lulz, here's jewish manhood from an old woman's lens :
BingoBoingo: So, apparently a lot of Lichs do the coinbase thing and don't keep sole/soul possession of their phylacterys
mircea_popescu: back to the ironic detachement of they already detached : guy will never construct his nonsense into a positive something, like a great detachtard novel (which is what makes elliot so remarkable, it's like seeing what the africans thought an airplane'd be like, BY THEMSELVES). it's always a little formal curl that begets the whole system if you can be arsed to unearth it. so he disapproves of the whore's speech, or dress or m
asciilifeform: or what was it , 'was given a mere merc 600 to drive'
Cory: Sorry, haven't spoken in a while. I mostly idle here.
mircea_popescu: it's a whole pile.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most visible and best documented case of a sybiling in nature.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd generation did not care for this, and so literally sybilled the old shcmucks (luciano and gang, infiltrated all the orgs, and ~randomly picked a boss to kill first while feigning loyalty to the other)
mircea_popescu: hardly. none of these have a plain and simple nigger's "I never injured any of those women," reflected I, with meek resignation: "but God will be kinder to me and to my errors than they are!" conviction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 'ironic detachment' is a young cock thing. old folx just cab.
mircea_popescu: if i were one of them i'd also run a cab.
mircea_popescu: because it's very convenient, a cab, for their purpose. it allows the "ironic detachment" with still a modicum of interaction present.
mircea_popescu: meyer lansky is a name you know. anon soviet uni professor is a name you do not know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it never was a shot at brass ring, no.
mircea_popescu: why be a professor and actually a good one and then suddenly marry a cab ?
asciilifeform: yeah but why be a pirate and presumably a good one and then suddenly marryjesus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from experience, feeding has nothing to do. it's just a function of vanity and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: it ends, in the sense that you either have the critical mass of organised youth raping and pillaging, or you do not. and the drag force of whether young cunts (and no, boys aren't anything but young cunts ftr) do perceive they're alive and do follow sense ; or imagine themselves dead and hang out with the stupid old women makes a difference irl.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something else : it lasted a lot longer in ro. cca 2004. and in that half decade, we burned and permanently affixed to inside of architecture A LOT of those same ugly faces that were all "oh, it went away in russia, only matter of time". if you've seen miller's crossing (you should) the stereotypical objectionable faggot's desperation at the end (but there's no angle!! look into your heart!!!) is very much descr
asciilifeform: ( he dun need a vicarious smell of the '90s, for instance, he lived'em )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687972 << this is utterly and completely so, and is the reason i was never able to stomach most of p's worx. but a few of them i found entertaining for somewhat perverse thematic reason that i would not expect, elg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 21:29 asciilifeform: 'whatever' is only ever uttered by folx who don't have to lift a finger.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687838 << riddle me this. when $nobody pops in and asks a question, do you answer on the basis of the present (ie, the question wasn't fucktarded) or do you answer on the basis of some sort of judgement that the dude behind the nick is going to i dunno, stick around and then lend you a pack of ciggs in april 2021 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: interestingly, when asciilifeform worked as a pro collector and reverser of virii - found, to great sadness, that the 'art' mostly died.
mircea_popescu: sanity is only a novel item to the sort of people who autosnap to random nonsense. no, it's not novel, it's sanity.
mircea_popescu: nothing else has any bearing on it. if the computer you own happens to be a laptop and it happens to be the third week thieves broke into your car and stole your laptop, this makes absolutely no difference re "own computer--clean and install". you might park your car some other place, but you won't change what's done to owned computer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am thinking of exactly what i said, no more, not less. if you own a computer you wipe the crap and install workable software on it.
mircea_popescu: there's a limit to this "understanding new ideas through the old forms of experience". that limit is, when the new idea parts start getting procusted.
asciilifeform: items like mining trojan, or cc harvester, operator wants to stay put for a while
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about the persistence of bullcrap.
mircea_popescu: for the people who hallucinate choice where there is no space for them to choose, a usg will always be found somewhere.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:07 mircea_popescu: this is observably true, in history : the proposition that "it's a great idea to live above your means" was the proximate cause of "french revolution" and every other socialist attack on money hence
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:06 mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 00:04 phf: i.e. a handful of arrests, a handful of "demoted and moved to a different department" etc. and at least one death that we knew was no longer "bratki"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:52 phf: ahaha, http://www.jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/23349218?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents "THE MONSTROUS AGGREGATE OF THE SOCIAL: TOWARD BIOPOLITICS IN VICTOR PELEVIN'S WORK", haven't read but third page has a section titled "Biopolitics in Foucault"
phf: i.e. a handful of arrests, a handful of "demoted and moved to a different department" etc. and at least one death that we knew was no longer "bratki" ☟︎☟︎
phf: by the time i started figuring out the socioeconomic part of the question it was a year too late (they started tightening the screws some time before putin came to power, which was not so much the beginning but the announcement of the done deal. i remember '99 the situation of a lot of people changed drastically.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: hether there was any likelihood of being passed a false banknote and whether he could pass on a false note himself. There was no definite system involved in all this. Sometimes a fist like a hairy water-melon would appear in the little window, but it was obvious that Tatarsky could quite safely send its owner to hell and beyond. Then sometimes Tatarsky's heart would skip a beat in fright at the sight of a slim female hand ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'While he was working in the kiosk (it went on for a little less than a year), Tatarsky acquired two new qualities. The first was a cynicism as boundless as the view from the Ostankino television tower; the second was something quite remarkable and inexplicable. Tatarsky only had to glance at a customer's hands to know whether he could short-change him and by exactly how much, whether he could be insulting to him, w
phf: ahaha, http://www.jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/23349218?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents "THE MONSTROUS AGGREGATE OF THE SOCIAL: TOWARD BIOPOLITICS IN VICTOR PELEVIN'S WORK", haven't read but third page has a section titled "Biopolitics in Foucault" ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'The USSR, which they'd begun to renovate and improve at about the time when Tatarsky decided to change his profession, improved so much that it ceased to exist (if a state is capable of entering nirvana, that's what must have happened in this case)...'
phf: i found a "собрание сочинений" pack of his english texts, but it doesn't have dpp, nor is amazon etc. turning up a translated version.
phf: no, unfortunately, hardcover book picked up on a moscows trip
asciilifeform: dun suppose phf has a 133337w4rez txt of this.
asciilifeform: iirc it even exists in a (middling) engl translation
asciilifeform: ( set him up as a relay for whatever type of pr0n is banned where he is, leak his cc, etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:15 shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity."
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what i meant is, i dun have necessarily a communicable logic for why i operate in particular way, and if pressed , tend to react similarly to mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag ☟︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also, that you framed "i think with this" shows that... you're head. hate to break it to you. to "think with gut" is to choose a restaurant to eat at not to open a restaurant.
asciilifeform: ( it's a compendium of shorts. which one was phf thinking of ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:12 ben_vulpes: in other boeckisms: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/888-How-I-tricked-Symantec-with-a-Fake-Private-Key.html
ben_vulpes: in other boeckisms: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/888-How-I-tricked-Symantec-with-a-Fake-Private-Key.html ☟︎
pete_dushenski: "Caskets can cost thousands of dollars to buy, and are even being sold in some major supermarket chains. But at the Coffin Club, members only need to supply their own materials. Russell Game is a club mentor but he is also making a coffin for himself. "It's so much cheaper than buying a coffin," he said."
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687858 << simplistic, almost shamanistic though it is, there is perhaps useful trichotomy of heart-heart-gut, being three possible answers for "why" a given person does a given thing. heart because of how it makes her feel and how it makes the people around her feel ; head because it's cerebrally satisfying ; gut because gotta get the fucking show on the road already here. ☝︎
shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not thinking at all ; but in any case : when there IS a fine oracle, why bother with more.
asciilifeform: 'femaleworry' is idiotic because it's a decision algo that dun converge in constant time