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mircea_popescu: where's the 60s ?
mircea_popescu: i mean metaphorically! wtf, that conversation happened in the 40s.
mircea_popescu: no, name the son.
mircea_popescu: where's this man's son ? name him ?
mircea_popescu: recall man who said to stalin "i suppose you could do that... but then..." ?
mircea_popescu: not even, that's losing into details.
asciilifeform: they ~did~ ftr figure out 'make toys with tank comp cpu', but 10yrs too late
asciilifeform: to this i do not know answer.
asciilifeform: it makes sense if you stop & think how ic baked.
mircea_popescu: this makes so zero fucking sense to me...
asciilifeform: ended up paying 9000x moar per unit, straight out of treasury
asciilifeform: but nato could amortize cost of that z80 by selling in atari.
mircea_popescu: so your idea is that su military complex toppled thinking man into moron pot ?!
asciilifeform: so in '70s was pressure, nato tank has 8bit comp for targeting rockets, so su tank also gotta, etc
asciilifeform: there is also the 'install base pressure'. recall mircea_popescu's serpent thread, when looked like it may have to be scrapped, 'motherfucker, i built battleship on this thing and NOW you say to scrap'
mircea_popescu: how long does chronically take ? because su was not that poor in 60s.
mircea_popescu: including all, down the way to young women understanding http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ is what they're for, and any and all pointsd.
asciilifeform: well i did say 'chronically', not ' mircea_popescu that 1 time he forgot his wallet at home '
mircea_popescu: romania was never as broke as in the 90s, at least not since the 30s. and it never in its history gave as good answers to fundamental problems.
mircea_popescu: not because mit didn't try telling, which it did, of course, but because it's evident the telling does exactly nothing, and mit sitting about going "oh, symbolics fuckards because we told them to" exactly like inca sun priest going "sun rises cuz we told it to!"
mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it was "brejnev's bean counters" that told soviet man to be stupid ; much as i doubt it was ceausescu who told morons to be morons, and IGNORE 16 months of their own life because "didn't sign up for this", and not eat the fucking fish because "how dares owner think of us as cattle when that's exactly what we are", and so on.
mircea_popescu: if anyone cared to. which nobody did. but anyway!
mircea_popescu: point being, "technical calculus institute" still stood in 1990 for random morons (whom ceausescu DID send to mandatory military training, 16 months, taught how to fire and everyhthing) could stand on the roof of "to guard", profiled on the blue romanian skies so they could be shot from any of the surrounding hills
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing the orientation here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i'm not discussing end results. a tiny country on the black sea isn't gonna outrun us/su, it ain't fucking finland.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ya, we had an 'iskra' that 'doing hard work in tank targeter comp'
mircea_popescu: and the ro made items were ~industrial automation~. the hardware at my house was "officially" being hard at work doing shit for hotels and textile mills.
asciilifeform: which ? where they baked z80 clone ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: take ro programme : romania never scrapped theirs (was one of ~many~ items ceausescu rightfully called moscow http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm over.
asciilifeform: the amerifolx were quite disappointed when they found out.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:38 asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is referring to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877417 item, it wasn't troo ic , but capsule with coupla dozen diodes/transistors. moar like small pcb. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the 1st unit costs million and the second -- penny
asciilifeform: nobody yet invented how to bake ic 'faberge' style
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this concept of "amortize" as you use here is EXACTLY of the nature of brejnev's economic thinking
asciilifeform: rright but this one here's a tech deadend
mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 16:56 asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866014 sense ☝︎
asciilifeform: i cannot presume to pin this down exactly. will share hypothesis tho : '50s-'60s su excelled at 'castles' , 'institutional' mega-constructions. venus rocket is a pyramid. but ic is a konsoomer-driven affair
mircea_popescu: the ~parents~ of the people who scrapped the bk decided to not be like their grandparents. why and wherefore ?
mircea_popescu: if not the above, then what ? cuz it fucking well wasn't 78 bean counters. by the time they were even asked anything, that WHAT was already two decades (ie, one generation) old.
mircea_popescu: but let's dig into it : WHAT ~precisely~, in central substance if not in peculiars of extension, DROVE this switch from "hey hey, soviet won space race and has ics of a sort" into this "ho, ho, soviet's buying scrapyard fare at new-from-factory prices" ?
asciilifeform: little thing, quite un-pdplike physically, approx same size and shape as mircea_popescu's spectrum clone
asciilifeform: ( neither asciilifeform nor asciilifeform's elder brother ever saw bk in anyone's house, was ruinously expensive, but at public toilet type affairs was common )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: late 70s, piggy was running dry, tech gap becoming palpable. bean counters given problem of how to close gap at minimal cost. gave answer, 'warez'
asciilifeform: and yes they fished it out. ran on those '60s pre-ics.
mircea_popescu: so, you know, "as the 70s dawned, russian man came to this weird personal belief that he who thinks last wins". i suppose in a sense could be abomb-psychosis driven.
asciilifeform: ( who even into '70s persisted in a belief that there's 'amazing su tech' worth fishing out of e.g. sunken su sub , with howard hughes' mega-boat ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos ☟︎
asciilifeform: '70s was ro-style 'they'll give us yesterday's machine at today's price' sorta thing
mircea_popescu: 60s different from 70s is the argument here ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 02:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877236 << not my reading. there was plenty of interesting, original work , it was fatwa'd in late '70s by brezhnev's bean counters, who did not see the problem with 'copy DEC and use foreign soft, better cheaper faster' etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877283 << i'm not saying i got a read so clear i can argue anyone out of his ; but how does this reconcile with the "achieve&over-achieve" policy ; and ~everything else~ about that regime. after all, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373877 did not copy lincoln. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, that's the story exactly.
mircea_popescu: so i suppose topical : that sounds like a story she's happy to have missed. AS LARVA.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost." ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yea it dun end how i thought it oughta ( i.e. both beasts keel over )
asciilifeform: i somehow missed reading this one as a larva
asciilifeform: https://ushinskij-konstantin-pisatel.larec-skazok.ru/orel-i-koshka << found, ty
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877271 << was not ; and obviously ~only substantial reference to item on whole "world wide web" is trilema. because everyone else literally lives in vain, what. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "oh, what do you mean '''orange man''' is sending pantsuited hilarity to same cell block argentine whore lives on"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877255 << top keks. ☝︎
asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( seems to take'em coupla dozen shots )
asciilifeform: ... it is also possible that they threw in random ints and got lucky, the machine log does not rule out this hypothesis
asciilifeform: maybe i'ma swap it for 1 of those 'solve this here triple integral' puzzlers that some ru forum use nao
a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 gambit still not 'final solution' to spamola -- i now get 1-2 turds in mod queue erry day. ( hats off, i guess, to the spammers who know how to xor 2 small ints.. ) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: It's what the vest folks are supposed to prevent
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Lack of intersections that allow them time to make their pitch, and they get seen touching cars
BingoBoingo: There are intersection "car wash" bums too, but they have problems
BingoBoingo: Official Blue vests sold their souls for more rules, Orange and yellow vests just want to get high and delay their own mortality
asciilifeform: here in northern reich we have 'lemme wash yer car' bums but for the most part they dun dare to molest parked vehicle
BingoBoingo: But yes, the vest people interested in cars are a sort of bum
BingoBoingo: With whatever the fuck Y does being a coinflip
BingoBoingo: Well, the noun is pronounced Paraguway, but the adjective is pronounced ParaguaSH
BingoBoingo: Mostly they sell paraguay brick weed to lower unvested pichis
BingoBoingo: Nominally what they get paid for is helping people back their cars out, but...
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that brazil used to shoot these right on the spot, a++ approach, but possibly this was in the good old days and nomoar
BingoBoingo: "Ciudado coches" i.e. begging for alms to not injure parked cars
BingoBoingo: Yes, to varying depths
BingoBoingo: Sure, how many people in traffic safety vests did we walk past?
asciilifeform: hrm, i thought they were ethnics ( incas who somehow slipped from the spanish mines ? )
BingoBoingo: So named because they make the streets smell like piss
asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and -- will point out -- ran on the 3600 series boxen, where 4MB was 'princely' ram, and 2MHz was cpu clock.
asciilifeform: MUCH easier to write on top of a sane os, with sane raster graphics stack etc, than on anyffing we presently have.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cad is 1 of the open problems for which a bolix clone would be +9000 mechanical lever.
asciilifeform: ( observe that even FG i had to design on a warez cad, after wasting ~months~ on trying 'open sores' variants; but at least it was much lighter-weight / non-winblowz item. still had to be cracked, & run on a 'toilet'. )
asciilifeform: ue of making 'small' (e.g. FG) items, to date.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877242 << fwiw 'cadence' has ~monopoly not only on ic cad, but on 'heavy industrial' pcb cad, for 16+ layers mobo etc. i actually one time tried to use it, warez , winblowz box, & all, it was monstrously gnarly, loathesome. but if yer making sumthing with 100,000s of netlist nodes, dozens of pcb layers, ball grid ics with 1,000s of balls, yer more or less stuck with it. i've avoided strictly by virt ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I can't speak for Brasil other than Brasileros like to come here to escape beach crimes against their persons and property
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he doesn't actually need to live next door to the rack
BingoBoingo: If it wasn't for the datacenter need, Peru, costal Colombia, or Atlantida, Uruguay would have been places to colonize
asciilifeform: last i recall, being tortured by heathen 'state' is +9000 martyrdom points ( but then again i might be out of date ? )