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a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877589 << aa but asciilifeform had some exposure to folx who were 'old' but not quite old enuff for having been in the war. ~these~ were 'generic old'. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:51 mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
asciilifeform: ( 0 typhus in former, 7-8hr workday vs 14 , etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877582 << sorta why asciilifeform is an 'old-time su' fan, of sorts. thing was run ottoman-style, 'these are our slaves, let's keep them in decent quarters, actual milk, etc', 'let's build rockets so barbarian invader thinks twice' , etc. 'phree world' sees the plebe as moar of a game animal than farm horse, 'if dies, dies'. turns out, makes for objectively shittier existence for near-errybody. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:36 mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877581 << gringostan usedta have an army too ☝︎
danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of that shithole.
danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing ☟︎
danielpbarron: that was re doing it from the shared host i already have
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps. ☟︎
danielpbarron: oh, yeah got lots of those too
danielpbarron: and re: timeframe above: the idea was use a FG at home to make a big binary file and then send it to the server to use
danielpbarron: i've got crates of pogos, is that the item in question?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:51 danielpbarron: yeah that's something to consider
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: "yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"
BingoBoingo: At the time of 9/11 first WTC attack had largely been forgotten in favor of OKC event
BingoBoingo: Merkel hadn't driven this new EU thing into the Mud and the Russians had a long rebuild in front of them
mircea_popescu: (talk about "since turbine, get x free" heh.)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 18:48 danielpbarron: what time frame is acceptable?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this ☝︎
mircea_popescu: close the book, let's go to bed.
mircea_popescu: finally time to check out huh.
BingoBoingo: The SU may have had the loss of Stalin shock, but my generation grew up in gringostan on a solid diet of "end of history"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:31 asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree". ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: any attempt to reconstruct this argument (yeah, but the tea -- coca leaves!!!) dies the same death, ultimately. "this nonsense could only be interesting to morons" "that's ok, we here in gringostan proud country of morons" "and how do you expect to survive on any sort of time horizon ?" "WE SPREAD AGITPROP RE BENEFITS OF STUPIDITY ALL OVER GLOBE!!! WORK PAYS LATER, LAZY PAYS NOW!!!"
mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway". ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
mircea_popescu: n of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ). similarily, su books free, because. su collegiate education, free, because. su pineapple expensive, because who the fuck is paying dole its ransom ; but su milk cheap, because. and so on in this vein -- su hospital free, but does not work like gringo hospital. you know ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:23 asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( recall mircea_popescu's piece with the legionnaires & their armours )
asciilifeform: i dunno the answer any moar than the romans knew.
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?
asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were. ☟︎
asciilifeform: last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.
asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen ☟︎
mircea_popescu: main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)
asciilifeform: ('coincidentally' su folded shop when the ~last d00ds who knew what german mg sounded like, went to grave)
asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wtf happened, women stopped sucking the right part of the cock ? for seven decades ?!
asciilifeform: consider that 'soyuz' rocket that ~still~ produced, is a korolev ('50s, but really stalin-era staff) design.
mircea_popescu: (followed france before, nothing new there)
mircea_popescu: now, what the fuck reason, i have nfi. it's comparatively clearer with the gringos, they had been sheep-following su, went off cliff eyes wide open.
asciilifeform: it is quite evident that there was no kurchatov in 1978.
mircea_popescu: well, kurchatov, strictly. as per carlyle, history exists strictly as the biography of great men.
asciilifeform: then i haven't anything to go with, i have nfi what powers chainsaw then.
mircea_popescu: hence "you think the chain is powering your chainsaw".
asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ? ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: unlike bar down the street.
mircea_popescu: since there's no saving, there's no amortization. country does or dies.
mircea_popescu: country gets a set of resources each generation, and ALWAYS SPENDS THEM. there's no option to "save", the 20yos now floating about will not be cryopreserved.
asciilifeform: is contention that asciilifeform is following in the footsteps of the mythical drunk who 'could drink erry day cuz he turned in his glass' ?
mircea_popescu: amortization is ~not meaningful~ in this context. there's nothing to ever amortize, macro-economically, that's specifically not how a country works.
mircea_popescu: the notion of "soviet computer work amortizing" is EXACTLY this sort of "naive extension". the ~very concept~ of "amortization" exactly mirrors the concept of "reproduction" in the previous step : you are using a naive notion that you're trying to extend naively.
asciilifeform: 'here's d00d with milling machine, he and assistant made this mold, took week, can you pay him for a week? not that it matters, he's booked 365d/y '
mircea_popescu: now then, the next step :
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
mircea_popescu: of staying airborne, weight kills. so therefore, it makes way the fuck more sense to have iron bird's ovopositor on the ground, and construct a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 rather than attempt a http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ " ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform as a larva, was taken to a su plastics factory where father was commissioning sumthing-or-other cover for some mechanism. and learned not only how plastic objects made, but why he 'no canhaz' custom one
asciilifeform: dunno what's the formula being sought, but how about that they don't, that can go to where built and see that it's factory and not farm ?
mircea_popescu: what is the hole in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: what's the step?
mircea_popescu: take things one at a time.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that part, i'll explain that in the next step.
asciilifeform: where's the 'egg' here
asciilifeform: was simply on throne.
mircea_popescu: let's take this one at a time. do you in fact understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: for that matter, brezhnev wasn't 'popular' any moar than steve ballmer was popular.
asciilifeform: it is really mega-mystery that device where nonrecoverable tooling cost is comparable to satellite rocket , is intensely start-topology/centralized affair in management ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
asciilifeform: i currently dun grasp what hole mircea_popescu sees in the 'amortize via konsoomer' hypothesis. near as i can tell, it was the exact pattern. 6502 was initially costly, and cost dropped precisely in proportion to how popular 'atari'.
mircea_popescu: i tell you, you've got the chain powering the saw over here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, what the everloving fuck, if tomorrow i wake up with the notion evertyone in tmsr gotta get circumcised you're gonna do it ?! brejnev was not this popular or respected, not at any point in his life.
asciilifeform: so he went with 'obvious' thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform those formative years are eminently not "amortize" in the batshit insane nonsense of having people-of-walmart involved.
asciilifeform: he was told by viziers that the only approach that has remote chance of staying solvent, was to copy ameri-tech. it had track record of working, surface to air rocket was copied at penny to the dollar of original cost, and worked a++ (still fielded in fact, from that period even)
mircea_popescu: lyonya25 "is happy to be rid of them"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform establishment is never looking to crash and burn. not ever. brejnev "nixed" su ic in the exact sense of "happiness" from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877404 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's my considered opinion that taking "the american experience" into consideration for any practical purpose is fundamentally stupid. might as well think in terms of "hey mr wright, this bird of yours is ok, but does it lay eggs ?"
asciilifeform: unless yer unspeakably loaded ( in usa this existed, and so there ~were~ 'bolixes', oddball affairs that were not 'pdp clone' )
asciilifeform: the aspec of this that stands out to asciilifeform's eye is that ic biz is moar like venus rocket than anyffing else. can't exactly save pennies from sofa cushion and upstart 'against establishment'
mircea_popescu: of course, the chinese don't need that for anything, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: it's a country adequate to the time and needs of jefferson, it'd make the best agrarian 1700s the world has ever seen.
mircea_popescu: they're literally 1024 chickens, inconsequentially "democratic", fighting the "corruption" of meaning.
asciilifeform: after that, nomoar interesting irons, fullstop.
mircea_popescu: very different dynamic in the us -- no wot there.
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of my original claim. it seems to me russian man decided not to think. and this has no bearing on "cocksucker said". nobody yet has listened to the cocksuckers.
mircea_popescu: see, this is my point : at some point somewhere around the 60s, kurchatov jr decided he's gonna... ?
asciilifeform: nobody afaik. that generation was the last with serious spine.