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Framedragger: besides, the cops as force decoupled from very shitty state != the cops as they currently exist. i don't trust the fucking state to manage them, and next time i write about how shit it is i don't want to expect a buncha these dudes to break in and "teach me a lesson in being putin spy by criticizing our great country".
Framedragger: the drunk dude would have tried to swing back, and neighbours would have come to help, and punch the thief. i do of course realize (or so i think) the *vast* naivete of this kind of frame of mind, but note that this is possible in some specific communities which take a piss on "global awareness projectz" and just function on a (very) limited geographical scale.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding first strand, no objection, in principle. that is, encouraging submission in itself my breed larger problems and usg-like structures. regarding latter, yeah i have a problem with cops as such. knowing that this will only solidify my "wannabe naive anarchist kid" image, i should point out that if we had a more responsible, (actually) individualist and conscious populace, there would be less need to defer violence
Framedragger: trinque: thanks :) (i've battled with search in postgres and screwing around with indices etc - but will prolly end up asking for advice at some point, cause, you know, i'm young)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes, very much so, and yes it's just been added to todo list...
Framedragger: god damn it. i wanted to check how limnoria does irc reconnect, and it starts out with a nice SupyReconnectingFactory(ReconnectingClientFactory, drivers.ServersMixin). which doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing, but is in sharp contrast to trinque's short code. lol.
Framedragger: does wp *finally* postgres? last i used it i had to use mysql :/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: seconding that. the devs seem to know what they do, too (postgres-hackers is a nice ML)
Framedragger: (scratch that comment about logbot, it's not supposed to use it itself)
Framedragger: (aha, the reconnect method gets called in a separate ping thread, it seems)
Framedragger: trinque: out of curiosity, have you tested how well ircbot reconnects to irc? i see there exists `ircbot-reconnect`. logbot itself only exports that symbol but does not seem to use it itself?
Framedragger: aha, a different initial preference, and i see the danger in the converse - sure
Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.
Framedragger: i mean a simpler thing: if people here trust each others' code more, that's a good thing, and *all other things being equal* (crucial assumption), that code should be preferred. no?
Framedragger: limnoria is written in python. of course there is incentive for teh republic to use republic's own inventions, no doubt.
Framedragger: just ftr / in truth, when i mentioned "implementing the bot part", i only meant implementing the particular "cite irc lines etc" functionality on top; because the rest is done. in particular, the best solution (before checking out trinque's) seems to be limnoria, which is an updated and maintained extension of supybot (which gribble uses).
Framedragger: trinque: great, and that sounds like a very sane design.
Framedragger: trinque: ah fuck, sorry, i'm used to my state explaining what there is in the world, i guess ://
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: should i then proceed to implement the bot-part of the logs, too? if phf's bot part can be reused, then that's great, too. i guess i can investigate
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: wait, you mean rewriting references to log lines in your (e.g.) blog? understand, i didn't retrospectively import *past* logs into the viewer yet. (but i will, now.)
Framedragger: if it's a deterministic system and not based on some internal db id increment thing then it can and probably should be replicated.
Framedragger: you mean permalinks to any given irc line? no. i don't know how phf's numbers work but can probably dig it out
Framedragger: okok, enough with the not-committing shit. i agree, and apologize for getting on people's nerves, possibly. i will extend the thing's features. complaints and requests welcome
Framedragger: well, just as an alias system, no implied centralization?
Framedragger: would be nice. talking of it, makes sense to put more CNAMEs under .trilema.com.
Framedragger: but if people decide to actually use it then i should implement "previous day browser / buttons" asap because the current (choose from list of days) thing is really too simplistic.
Framedragger: look, it sounds like an excuse, but i assumed that phf's btcbase will remain the canonical viewer. making extended effort at redundancy *is* sometimes inefficient, even if educational.
Framedragger: god damn it. i shouldn't have said "hack". should have said "elegant in its simplicity". 'cause it's simple. and i do fix bug reports. o well
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: did you try mine though? the web side of thing. it *does* work, fwiw
Framedragger: hey i wrote this for myself for when phf is out in his desert ;)
Framedragger: yeah giving phf logs from multiple places and having a mechanism for this would be nice
Framedragger: trilema as tool to cause epilepsy in dogmatized "free democratic" people does seem to be a thing, hm
Framedragger: heh! usg is undecidable. and keeps giving its people tools to try more things
Framedragger: (in unrelated lol, a remittance solution / bank transfer service just emailed me with the words "Yeah! We’ve just sent your money!" in the subject line. i dunno, something about the tone resembling "fuck yah bro i just finished the vodka!!" doesn't inspire confidence)
Framedragger: false belief in existence of optionality of how to approach things "on my own terms", i guess you could say?
Framedragger: s/insist/to insist/ && s/unconciousness/unconsciousness/ i hate typos
Framedragger: this particular type of lack of self awareness in a broader context of "where am i" really ties well with the elliott dude, i dunno, some kind of deeper similarity imo
Framedragger: she does seem insist on some form of deliberate unconciousness huh. the words of the people telling her things just kinda wash away
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i think i'm finally... about to... get the point ://
Framedragger: ;;later tell phf you may consider
https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ instead of digitalocean, or at least give it a try as one of them "bot mirrors" that you'd mentioned. there "BareMetal" (didn't try) and VPS (down below - works as advertised, no formal benchmarks tho). cheap.
Framedragger: finally the senior cop says that there is a procedure but ideally it should be raised with a neutral policeperson and he'd be "biased" here. he says this can be done online (and it indeed can). after some more back and fourth and with the fella still full of angst we decide to file the thing online and bid goodbye.
Framedragger: the fella then approaches us (and my friend in particular who is insisting on raising a complaint with the other cop), half a metre now maybe, and says "you take your watch off", "what are you thinking defending him", etc. the cops slowly react by gently pulling the fella away. not without a pause first
Framedragger: meanwhile the fella in question starts saying "he was too *tame*", and (sic) "in soviet times the guy would have had it so much worse!!" (with glee, etc.) (i don't know, this is kinda kusturica-like to me)
Framedragger: i recognize the middle of the three cops there who is (of course) the dude who did the tazing. he tells the shouting poor fella to calm down and that "they will change their mind when this happens to them". then grunts something and is dissatisfied obviously.
Framedragger: my friend continues to chat with the senior cop calmly. said cop asks "so did the guy really not resist [as in, maybe he did resist a bit]" - "no he really did not resist". ok.
Framedragger: meanwhile the most senior cop is chatting with my friend who has trouble discerning words due to said shouting. at one point i hear "wasting our time" (of course). the youngest of the three cops there comes to us, says "men, thank you very much for your help", and kinda extends hands to push us away (but no physical contact).
Framedragger: no we don't, this is a separate matter, [interjections with drunken shouts], the guy was arrested after all [interjections], the arrest was improper, etc.
Framedragger: the cops react slowly and uncertainly; not so with the poor fella sitting and obviously overhearing. "dudes! you what - what the fuck now. i was *attacked*! five hundred euro watch! [something, etc.] and you want to *defend* this guy??"
Framedragger: three of us enter and my friend asks the cop behind the counter whether it would be possible to get a complaint form and file a complaint regarding police behaviour / misuse of force.
Framedragger: arrive at small station which is nearby. a kind of kusturica scene unfolds: the victim of the robbery - or a friend of the victim, it was not ever clear as there was too much shouting and the guy was drunk - sits at a desk. three cops in the room.
Framedragger: we consider, then put a can of beer left in the bag somewhere in a corner just in case, and proceed to the police station to file a complaint because why the fuck not.
Framedragger: cop then asks for "reinforcement", we wait, another cop arrives, and they take the guy away, in handcuffs.
Framedragger: cop arrives, shouts something like (i think) "where's the watch?!!", there's maybe half a sec of a pause (guy's arms still in the air), then the guy is thrown onto the ground, cop takes out a device and tazes the fella who in turn bellows in pain. i start filming (but all too late as it is with these things).
Framedragger: kinda scrawny guy running not far from us, a cop chasing him from a distance. guy turns a corner, then suddenly stops, turns around, throws his hands in the air, and maybe thrice shouts clearly: "i'm sorry", "i yield". we wait.
Framedragger: oh btw, saturday night while walking around town (vilnius) with two other peeps i stumbled into a scene:
Framedragger: and (seems so far) zero comments about subject matter "studied" at "college"
Framedragger: (ah. znc is not running in utc it seems, whereas that script is.)
Framedragger: ..however, it is possible to get drowned in sibyl nodes. but, i get your point.
Framedragger: ..iirc one of the original ideas was to "pass around ip addresses" as things bound to some nick/identity; there is a trust component here; but i'm sure it's evolved since then, etc etc.
Framedragger: i won't argue the point, sorry for any frustration caused. the thing i have in mind is probably not the "current spec" anyway!
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529496 << just curious - does the gossip spec as it is place any trust in ip addresses? this iirc was one of the points criticized by asciilifeform, i would think it to be a valid one. sorry if this, too, was extensively discussed in the logs.
☝︎ Framedragger: "dialectics and alcohol" sounds like a great mix imho!
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: i need to dig out those banners, will ping you if/when this happens
Framedragger: i always thought it was a play on 'dilemma'. something something hegelian triad
Framedragger: (i was originally planning to do some analysis myself sooner than later, but ended up enjoying summer too much)
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw i have all the version banners (for all the hosts in the ssh keyset) stored, probably a good idea to make that available i guess?