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asciilifeform recalls mother , coming back from trip to fi in late '80s, with roughly same reaction as asciilifeform after voyage to ro
asciilifeform will admit to having eaten some of the lang, but strictly for sport, and by no means could atm stand for duty as translator
asciilifeform: well, he was what he referred to as 'organiker' , i.e. synthetic chemist in the germanic tradition. the industry evaporated from under him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the fault for "there's exactly 1" lies not-with-me!!! i do not as much as keep it secret ; or not make a point of it ; or anything else.
asciilifeform: on top of this, backbone of bureaucracy is reddit-fat / old bags, these are safe from mircea_popescuation as i understand
asciilifeform: that wasn't my nitpick tho ( it's sure as fuck 'crown' ) but re ~who~ runs off. is it a 'defection' if lowly paper pusher , and not brass ?
mircea_popescu: "creating the future" or whatever the fuck. it's 100% as much crown as ye olde Министерство монтажных и специальных строительных работ СССР.
mircea_popescu: if the makers of the reich's airport security theatre crystal globes don't count as crown to ye...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the relation between "official" and "defector" is in your head because as it happened to work in the soviet union, all jobs were state jobs. the new soviet pretends "private", and so you can have non-officials that are nevertheless defectors.
mircea_popescu: as these things usually go ; i shall limit self to pointing out that time the ny times copied my paywall model.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895819 << much better strategy, as it turns out. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:26 mircea_popescu: i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people".
mircea_popescu: i understand why the "i'd like to talk to as few people as possible" is appealing to the fucktard^H engineer mindset. nevertheless, the only way to win this is to have the decisionmaking atomized as much as possible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will absolutely not get anywhere for as long as you continue with the braindamaged approach of trying to talk to their self-appointed "gatekeepers". do not talk to weev or w/e, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 braindamage ; talk to the individual individuals,. ☝︎
asciilifeform: as i understand that's the 1 thing that's expected to slow
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: after mircea_popescu nitpicks, perhaps this oughta be used as a template for others
diana_coman: since it seems it'll take a while until I can add to my data the numbers for sjlj on ave1's gnat as well, here's what I have so far: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1esL2/?raw=true ☟︎
diana_coman: ave1 or anyone else more experienced in rebuilding ave1's gnat with a previous incarnation of same: I'm trying to build using the scripts in ada-musl-cross-2018-09-24.tgz on a machine that has as only existing and perfectly working !) gnat a previous ave1 gnat version; I ran as the readme says simply ./build-ada.sh absolute_path_to_dir but the whole thing fails because it doesn't find some libs such as libgmp.la; a closer look at the outpu
asciilifeform: ( granted, they also selectively hire for this, even so much as having been off the reservation counts against candidate. but this is imho strictly secondary. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally and unrelatedly, since i'm fixing this other article : do you happen to recall the trilema piece where "middle age crisis" ie, dood getting rid of older wife hooking up with younger girl is explained in terms of "well, she won't be as fucking annoying" ?
mircea_popescu: for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 loops respectively as reported in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-13#1895666 ☝︎
mircea_popescu is very sorry about wasting a day. coulda done 30 seconds of figuring numbers BEFORE just as well.
diana_coman: 5 loops is already 15 minutes and ftr 6 loops is still running on that machine as we speak - by the looks of it, it'll be more than 1 hour
asciilifeform remembers the roosh-v d00d, but for something quite else, iirc it was him who at one pt had asciilifeform's www linked as -- insultingly but lulzily -- 'the mencius moldbug of computing'
a111: Logged on 2015-02-02 06:39 mircea_popescu: Daryush Valizadeh,[1] (born June 14, 1979)[2] also known as Roosh V and Roosh Vorek, is an American[3] writer, pick-up artist5 and self-styled "love tourist"[6] of Iranian and Armenian descent,[7] known for his writings on seduction and antifeminism.
mircea_popescu: in ro the expression'd be rather negative, "i got nothing". cuz "o pula" works also as universal negation, "do you have any money ?" "i got dick"
asciilifeform: imho it is a curse on programming folx, that spackling seems to work as well as it does, really it is the equiv of eating 'tasty' pb paint chips, leads to grief always
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it -- 'zxc' strikes me as a classic case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 and impedence mismatch generally. it was clearly written as attempt to 'deterministic scheduler on ??? iron/os', but fails, cuz you can't actually spackle away impedence mismatch b/w the underlying platform and the proggy ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the avionics people seem to use it, but they (near as i was able to learn) dun kill tasks at all, and regard any detected wedge as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895456 condition ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. may as well be global
BingoBoingo: Well with Trump's increasingly disappointing performance as "best clown in the circus"...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: couldja plox add the billing calendar (with the hash-pseudonymised subscriber names from earlier) to the public www ? so folx dun have to ask why they're being billed at time t and for what << We have customer accounts here on the public www http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-records/ listed just below the price points. I have been updating it as part of compiling the statements. I don't recall if I pass out
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895192 << before this gets lost -- irix has reputation as stable, but porous as all fuck ( sgi never apparently gave half a shit ) ; not that we're at risk of cribbing from it, as you pointed out, 0 src ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( so as to get actual ticktimes for this & other empiricals )
asciilifeform: ( would work so long as you take care to return. but i think that is obv )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 14:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895234 << ffa uses exceptions strictly as 'fucking stop whole program (and if it's running on a micro, whole machine, and flash 'dead!' lamp) right nao!' , so won't impact. my understanding is that it'd impact only speed of the ~exceptions~, longjump is slower cuz it crosses pages -- cachaistically.
asciilifeform: on raw irons tho, gotta have a mechanism that actually 'ada', given as that's the only scheduler you have, unless baked new
mircea_popescu: seems to me self-evident that there's need for exactly two layers of exception handler : a) our code fucked up, in which case end it all or else b) some ~item~ such as whatever, a fg fucked up, in which case REPORT THIS TO ME, don't wait for it forever./
asciilifeform: i use'em as strictly as equivalent of the red lamp
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 14:05 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eucrypt's test on Serpent seem good candidates as one can even adjust how many iterations to do if you want some specific time intervals; current full test of the serpent module (including i/o because of using test vectors in file) is reported by time at ~2.3s without sjlj; this has no tasks/exceptions as such;thing is: time is not extremely precise but I could run I suppose some 1k times and see
asciilifeform: currently diana_coman is the 'test all gnat knobs' pioneer; asciilifeform's item is deliberately spartan re what is used, as it was designed to run even on e.g. msdos, where there are no threads
asciilifeform: ( just as not yet used task system prior to diana_coman uncrating it )
asciilifeform: it shits a signal handler into the obj. same as you'd have if you were writing daemon in c.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's fucking insulting as all hell, this zcx implementation. i suspect we will have to fix it anyway, because it is not really feasible to NOT have one, on irons that support it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : fuck a peripheral so as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894696 it zombies all it touches ; THEN have an ada prog touch it ; and THEN see if abort aborts. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it only worx if you http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895105 (i.e. add a 'delay' or i/o instruction (interestingly, the latter always work as abort-point , but only for the async select method ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895234 << ffa uses exceptions strictly as 'fucking stop whole program (and if it's running on a micro, whole machine, and flash 'dead!' lamp) right nao!' , so won't impact. my understanding is that it'd impact only speed of the ~exceptions~, longjump is slower cuz it crosses pages -- cachaistically. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: a thing you keep re-serpenting. 64 bit string, w/e, starts as null
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eucrypt's test on Serpent seem good candidates as one can even adjust how many iterations to do if you want some specific time intervals; current full test of the serpent module (including i/o because of using test vectors in file) is reported by time at ~2.3s without sjlj; this has no tasks/exceptions as such;thing is: time is not extremely precise but I could run I suppose some 1k times and see ☟︎
diana_coman: it kind of has to be but really, as you just said: wtf if it breaks the standard
mircea_popescu: you know, it'd be grand if this were a blog article rather than a pastebin. odds are ima want to reference it later, and as a factual matter i want ot reference "More precisely, one of the issues seems to be that abort seems to be delivered to the child thread after the check for 'thread aborted' has already been done" specifically even now.
mircea_popescu: (needless to say, literatly chick also fat as all get-out, but by then one pretty much expects the whole triad.)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema roulette, fell on http://trilema.com/2010/ce-i-de-facut/ ; would propose it to teh rotaku club as perhaps the foremost use of that language found on my blog, stylistically perfect, elegant without equal, i doubt there's much romanian that can stand up to that romanian to be found anywhere.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-12#1895110 << shooting an email to their list as well as anyone named to be involved at this point imo the right move. email shouild include description with loglinks of the matter. ☝︎
mod6: The other weird thing is that 'usb hub' as shown in the kernel.debug file. I do own a USB hub, as I bought one to test multiple FGs at the same time, but it's been just sitting on my desk for weeks.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-11 03:56 trinque: if it's the case that he left it as an external usb disk, looks like kernel didn't know the disk was there, so the kernel he builds would have to know of the usb chip he has.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-11#1894999 << This is actually one thing that I have not tried, I had previously done it both ways with root & boot, as /dev/sda & /dev/sda3 respectively, and with UUIDs. However, this line in particular: 'append="root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0,115200n8 net.ifnames=0"' I should try the UUID with instead of /dev/sda3. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hrm, also gotta add -- if the delay-powered self-destruct is made to work, then so will async killing (given as it dun have to be 'delay', can be triggered by 'entry', i.e. flag, just the same )
asciilifeform: i'ma post moar detail as i find it, gotta recharge head 1st.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/gnatology/ave1gnat/index.htm << linked for the log. cross-indexing dunwork currently, as the damn thing aint a gpr project, but currently i dun have time to try to massage it into one , promises to be a week-long shitfest on its own
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that adacorpse deliberately broke it, this is ~the~ pheature they use to peddle their 'pro' gnat (specifically advertised as 'support of real-time annex' )
BingoBoingo: So long as there is resistance to what Pantsuit means by deadnaming and clarity as to what the Republic means, they gotta expend some of their infinite hitpoints of idiocy fighting the sorts of socialists like Anglin who want a different sort of socialist femstate
trinque: republic already had it, as "damnatio memoriae"
asciilifeform: * derp is now known as shinohai
asciilifeform: * shinohai is now known as derp
asciilifeform: ( as it was -- coupla hundy, + same for the trucker's fee )
asciilifeform: supposedly didn't even splat. coupla would-be imitators (as late as 18th) did, tho
BingoBoingo: Comment replied to as well
trinque: if it's the case that he left it as an external usb disk, looks like kernel didn't know the disk was there, so the kernel he builds would have to know of the usb chip he has. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: only reason ustard has book in library is as a pedestal for his tupperware sales pitch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only reason they scan in "their" shakespears WHICH NEVER WERE NOR WILL EVER BE THEIRS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09#1711670 africans as they are, is so that they can add their self-important vomit up top. "copyrights blablabla" didntcha know. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The solution to OCR is castle scribes spending man centuries, as mircea_popescu is deploying with Bimbo
asciilifeform: the anglosads, near as i can tell, scanning in their shakspeares and... never touched again.
mod6: I can give it a try and report back on this as well. I have a couple of things to investigate for trinque first though.
asciilifeform: recently as experiment i build a 'latest' kernel with it; and it required curing ! lemme dig up thread :
asciilifeform: ( i keep it updated also, it is current as of the last rebuild )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894867 << is it clear which kernels work or what exactly as of yet ? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Reluctant to take them out of WoT as well
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, entirely nothing is lost making them smaller for as long as it improves participation
BingoBoingo: Right, especially as after dropping the implied rate for take 2 and keeping that rate through takes 3 and 4 the spread between a low price not getting bids and what local liquidity is offering have grown.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
mircea_popescu: fail that, even something as vague as "on particularly this-and-so hw mix this thing fails in a manner i can't fucking understand" is better than nothing, witness eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886738 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt that you, as anyone who uses computers, occasionally encounters error messages, and occasionally has problems.
mod6: I mean "lately" as in, the last year or so... which is fine. I should have just started blogging immediately instead of trying to resolve my issues for 10 days.
mod6: I tend, lately to stay away from asking trinque questions, as I seem to get punched in the face as opposed to helpful responses.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:54 mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out.
mircea_popescu: it very well fucking is not. it's not even remotely as important. having usg.cmu or usg.anything-else spew on actual literature is nothing short of vandalism. i don't want their grafitti, and i don't care why they think they're owed it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether there's a way to use these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy to change diapers".
mod6: trinque: what do you mean by 'angular'? If you mean, why so terse? Because I don't want to flood #t with a ton of information, as I'm afraid I'll also leave something out. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894714 << it's not like there was any prior expectation for the malfunction on any basis whatever. yes, as far as i also knew, shit was supposed to work, from what i know of what they've said you'd expect it worked etc etc. ☝︎
diana_coman: and I mean abort_task(current_task) as well as abort that_task
diana_coman: same if Main program does abort for that matter: it still waits for children tasks to be so kind as to...
diana_coman: model of wedged task was infinite loop, yes; and exit(0) was the only thing that did kill it but as you can see, that is C; imported in Ada, sure, but...C
diana_coman: asciilifeform, nope; I tried raise Program_Error and it was just as stuck
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know ☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/british-broadcasting-corporation-now-publishing-articles-in-language-they-describe-only-as-pidgin/ << Qntra -- British Broadcasting Corporation Now Publishing Articles In Language They Describe Only As "Pidgin"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is exactly == to GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) , yes, btw; i did the 'import' for the same reason as for the character i/o, i.e. to lose the dependency on the standard lib
diana_coman: asciilifeform, your example in ch16 is same thing as e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894670 ☝︎