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mircea_popescu: nobody's doing it. this is like "i want him so shot fulla lead, it's practically
a 2x2 lead sheet he impacts with".
mircea_popescu: time has
a splendid way of resolving such uncertainties.
mircea_popescu: what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines
a day or something like that. about same.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as
a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 20:37 mircea_popescu:
A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves
a pen in the air and characters appear on
a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
kanzure: so you are
a leaf riding some gust of wind. fine.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re lungs, as im
a fan apparently : gas exchange happens through
a wonderful bevy of yet poorly understood fluid/fluid phenomena. there's some true space tech going on in there.
kanzure: yes i understand it's merely
a metaphor; i think asciilifeform did too.
mircea_popescu: i used the term metaphorically. the convo sounds like noise to you because you don't accept/have the priors. which priors he'd propose are
a different authority structure.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: so do you just claim
a monopoly on discipline or what
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in summary, it's impossible to make sense of the leaves of
a merkle tree that you don't have the root for, is what he's saying.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you ever had the opportunity to see lung tissue under good magnification, but it's
a wonder.
kanzure: yeah i don't think existing lungs would be
a good thing to subject to that. i haven't given it much thought.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz we're patient and tolerant and i have
a houseful of teenagers, mr grouch.
mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as
a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: every membrane will have
a pore. it's only natural. dja know the joke with the horny bear ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not
a swine? everybody's
a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
mircea_popescu: so basically, this is
a sort of republic-like, some people got together trying to do [what their idea of] good is. not nearly as dead as cat-v.org thing for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you run
a grep on the site over my name or what
mircea_popescu: as oft discussed, the current system excists as does because satoshi was
a lazy thinker.
mircea_popescu: user pays for tx via fee. that's 100% all he has to do. if he should pay more, let the fee be more. there's not going to be any tack-ons in kind, it's
a monetary system not fucking 1800s serfdom.
mircea_popescu: even without going into any discussion re what is
a "proper" proofstring.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you can't put that sort of burden on key generation. he has
a point with the babbage quote, you're trying to put contraryt things in the same box.
kanzure: i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running
a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don't actually run
a node in the end)
kanzure: yea you can prove that they are hashing
a value of blocchain content (or doing rule validation) with the presence of
a secret nonce, etc.
kanzure: well, i agree, however you can include
a private key in the scheme, and if the user is outsourcing their private key they are dumb anyway
kanzure: so, i had
a proposal
a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g.
a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running
a node (because why would you send coins to
a monkey that isn't running the bitcoin protocol).
kanzure: so, miners having
a copy of an invalid blockchain is sort of irrelevant
kanzure: can you riterate the value of proving they have
a copy of the blockchain. what you really need is
a proof that everyone else has
a copy of the blockchain (e.g. all utxo owners sign the damn content).
kanzure: block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include
a nonce (like
a private key) plus the previous block content, you don't actually get what you need there in the sha3 proposal.
mircea_popescu: "'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins." as opposed to "he actually blew up the early feelers of teh cartel
a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it".
kanzure: you're asking me why miners would want
a central organization to control bitcoin....?
kanzure: ya the miners were trying to propose
a centralized organization.
mircea_popescu: the lulzarmageddon on something awful, "oh bitcoin is useless" "really ? here's
a dork shoving crayons in his ass for bitcoin" "OMFG porn and winning unpopular arguments are now bannable offenses on something awful" ?
kanzure: i am really, really illiterate. i live in
a different world.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:48 mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards
a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 18:15 BingoBoingo: So the politics of "Reality Winner" is
a bottomless lulz spiral.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 kanzure: i do not have
a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have
a sample, i'll be happy to debug that.
kanzure: i met her in 2010 at
a harvard transhumanism conference. i recognized her profile pic (rotated) on
a scihub site.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in
a jail term for her ?
☟︎ kanzure: i do not have
a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have
a sample, i'll be happy to debug that.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's
a state, like any other. well, better than most, at least in tech terms.
mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards
a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
☟︎ kanzure: it's
a completely useless skill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably the "world of plenty" "boundless bounty of this is our land" is one kind of nativist ; whereas assignats more of
a frenchypoof thing.
mircea_popescu: at the risk of splitting hairs, that's possibly
a different strand of the same coli.
mircea_popescu: i talked of it
a little somewhere, it's very amusingly similar
mircea_popescu: nobody thought himself
a hero for being at verdun. more like an idiot, really.
mircea_popescu: there was
a lot of the nonsense floating about, esp cca 1940s and 50s. back when they belieft.
kanzure: so just hoard
a bunch of power and don't provide much signal regarding its application or likely application. is this some sort of gmaxwell-level fear of "unintentionally causing others to agree with you, by unethically signaling to them an idea that they shouldn't have had in the first place" bullshit?
kanzure: alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's
a modellable aspect, that's
a failure mode and not necessarily
a preference
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs
a sybil of you.
mircea_popescu: funny you should mention that, there's also
a discussion re rng and power in teh logs.
kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like
a plot of the sha256 function against
a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that
☟︎ mircea_popescu: power is
a misnomer in any case ; it's arche as in greek not power as in latin.
mircea_popescu: because the political power is
a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is
a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, in practical terms i am politically powerful because i've successfully protected
a bunch of smart people from idiocy for years, and they have the (pewrhaps unwarranted) expectation this may continue.
mircea_popescu: you're more than welcome to go again, but you'll need
a decent definition of effort and some sort of proof it's directable.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't
a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
kanzure: if this knowledge only enables you to feel alright about whatever cause passes your fancy for the moment then i would argue you're engaging in
a lot of effort for
a rather trivial outcome.
kanzure: is "trying to figure out whether mircea_popescu is just babbling on
a blog" also
a "political act"?
mircea_popescu: kanzure calling something "philosophicval wankery" is
a political act, no different from saying niggers dun belong in civilised society.
kanzure: "".. isn’t the only one working to clone
a mammoth. There’s also Hwang Woo-suk’s Korean dog-cloning lab, Soaam Technologies [....] He was the one who claimed to clone human cells, but it turns out he had been forcing his students to donate their eggs, and secondly that his clone cells are fraudulent, so he’s trying to resurrect his reputation by being the first to clone ...
mircea_popescu: there's no great advantage for "
a flying stegosaurus with poisonous spines on every bone!!" sorta videogame items.