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a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:46 asciilifeform: ru pathologists refer to subj as 'wax fetus', can't recall what it is in eng
asciilifeform: cohen otoh began as a nobody and finished same.
mircea_popescu: i can think of little more shameful than dood's "career", such as it is.
asciilifeform: this is because a n-bit gcd (as appears in ch15 ffa) is simply 2n n-bit subtractions, 4n n-bit shifts, 2n n-bit muxes, plus some small change.
asciilifeform: bvt: from surface look, loox like lulzy piece, e.g. 'The algorithm is not constant-time as shown but can be made constant-time with low overhead'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 21:05 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901061 << iirc there were restriction on what regs can be used as base and index; another example of isa ugliness is MOV http://archive.is/w0IAC#selection-607.0-945.2
diana_coman: am as input/output, with the reference implementation to check against
bvt: as i mentioned, currently i can show results only from live cuntoo
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: btw, bvt , rax etc. ~are~ encoded as 1-8, the iron dun see reg names at all, the classic names are a convention of the asmers and the vendor docs. and imho remains on acct of the asinine x86isms like MUL which use fixed input and output regs, makes'em slightly easier to remember.
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901061 << iirc there were restriction on what regs can be used as base and index; another example of isa ugliness is MOV http://archive.is/w0IAC#selection-607.0-945.2 ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the problem with any other datastruct, such as octets or words, is that you never know how large it is.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what is the gain vs having as input octets or words?
mircea_popescu: as a universal c-string / charbuffer replacement.
mircea_popescu: i really do not wish to see c strings, and i don't perceive char buffer to be different. "bitstream" does not exist. so my thinking is, to henceforth mandate datapassing as such a field.
mircea_popescu: bflame how about you make yourself useful and implement a keccak as discussed ^ then patch diana_coman 's tree with it.
diana_coman: that requires simply a bit-level keccak; which requires in turn someone with the time to do the transformation as it were
mircea_popescu: to be clear : i expect that in the regular course of republican work, GB-sized vdiffs will occur -- strictly because we're contemplating confiscating all sort and manner of heathen artefact, and by now bloat is just a synonym for heathen. the "increase stack" fix works ok as a stop-gap, but we can't really 8x everything just for boredom.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you see the wisdom in implementing a keccak variant that uses eucomms-style fields ? so that something like "hello world" would be passed as 0x01146865 6c6c6f77 6f726c64
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 13:08 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, the bit version blows up buffers even more because it uses *internally* arrays of bits as per http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/01/eucrypt-chapter-8-bit-level-keccak-sponge/#selection-51.100-51.594
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, when he says "explodes" he means that keccak implementation expects as input a bitstream where each bit is stored in an octet
diana_coman: apparently vdiff is correct after all and there is this thing it sees - it just took me a bit to find it as I thought it was just a misplaced path rather than...the actual thing,huh
trinque: seems as though there's a dereferenced symlink munged into the path.
diana_coman: trinque, that's weird; fwiw: no, my home dir as far as I can see is *not* in the profiles directory
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901200 << that is not at all the problem. i can read the file just fine, but as i do i feed chunks of it to keccak. keccak doesn't take char buffers, it wants "bitstream" i.e. arrays of bits, which means whatever char ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo it is the job of the kernel to expose all available memory (ram, and fucking hell, disk, too, ALL available memory) to me as i fucking want it : stack, cpu registers, heap, whatever it is i wanna call it.
diana_coman: I don't recall it being discussed in detail (i.e. with numbers for stack size and input size) anywhere and I think it should be, if it stays as it is
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, I don't suspect the code is broken as such but it is a limitation of the approach and I did not really expect bumping into it at 7MB
asciilifeform: tho not neccessarily required, in vdiff, the process as i understand it does not actually demand random access to the entire input
asciilifeform: i'ma detail, ftr : 'ffacalc' runs 'as fed', i.e. 1 command at a time. but 'peh' , adult version, has support for functions and loops, and therefore requires the 'tape' to exist in memory. so currently i have 'tape can be 1000000 bytes', but this is not acceptable obv. in the long term
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 16:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about whart you said, i can't repress the suspicion that maybe the memory model is acrtually profoundly fucked,as a central driver of the whole cs insanity.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901142 << programmable interconnect fabric ( similar to what's sold as fpga ) . iirc i detailed this in old thrd. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about whart you said, i can't repress the suspicion that maybe the memory model is acrtually profoundly fucked,as a central driver of the whole cs insanity. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:43 trinque: diana_coman, other folks that have cuntooed, can y'all confirm that the paths that ended up in your genesis.vpatch do not in fact exist? I'd like you to reproduce the commands starting at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh in your build directories, i.e. cd ~/src/cuntoo/build/cuntoo and then run them, as root
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 03:02 mircea_popescu: memory, of course, starts with byte 299008 (584 * 512) and extends as far as 512 bits bus can address, if you're installing that. meaning, all core registers are allocated as memory anyways. and that's fucking it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901094 << with or without crapple, asia laffs allthewaytothebank -- it aint as if crapple bricks are made somewhere other than shenzhen ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 02:24 mircea_popescu: any fucking monkey picked out in the street could have made ~just as good~ a "corporate executive" as the fucktards apple hired -- and somehow nobody is telling them this. and of course the idiots don't have the werewithal to look in the mirror, "if plumbers were as good at plumbing as we are at executiving, we'd be quite literally swimming in the shit we're metaphorically drowning in!"
asciilifeform: the thing with gigantic multers is that they grow physically with the cube of the bitness. hence scarce. ( tho i dun imagine even a 8192bit single-cycle multer would be remotely near as heavy as the 3bil-transistor 'let's fry eggs' pentium-xxviii or whatnot )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-10 03:02 mircea_popescu: but speaking of those design decisions, by my current thinking the ideal processor is defined as follows : the bus width is 512bits ; therefore the byte is 512bits. the processing core is a state machine, with 512 byte-sized registers. a processor is composed of 512 + 8*9 such cores. for convenience imagine them organized in a cube, 8x8x8, with an extra 64 item layer on three sides.
mircea_popescu: memory, of course, starts with byte 299008 (584 * 512) and extends as far as 512 bits bus can address, if you're installing that. meaning, all core registers are allocated as memory anyways. and that's fucking it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but speaking of those design decisions, by my current thinking the ideal processor is defined as follows : the bus width is 512bits ; therefore the byte is 512bits. the processing core is a state machine, with 512 byte-sized registers. a processor is composed of 512 + 8*9 such cores. for convenience imagine them organized in a cube, 8x8x8, with an extra 64 item layer on three sides. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: id cow "from twitter" explaining @whatever conference "how serious they take banning" blinks incomprehendingly just as she's done with her soundbytes. yeah, why is it ??? there's entirely no difference between any of them and any other aspiring-writers-in-new-york, philosophy of art history studies rejects the world over. why those, why not these ? blink blink ?
mircea_popescu: any fucking monkey picked out in the street could have made ~just as good~ a "corporate executive" as the fucktards apple hired -- and somehow nobody is telling them this. and of course the idiots don't have the werewithal to look in the mirror, "if plumbers were as good at plumbing as we are at executiving, we'd be quite literally swimming in the shit we're metaphorically drowning in!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: jobs' been dead what, a decade ? not even a decade. meanwhile, fifty FUCKING MORONS sat around in rooms pompously pretending as to how "of course i'm teh vp, didn';t you see the sign on the door ?"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 22:38 asciilifeform: if you ever wonder why your x64 iron draws 50x the wattage to do same thing as e.g. rk, wonder no longer -- the insanity where shit gets moved around to accomodate idjit instructions with fixed in/out hoppers, the insanity where you gotta set prefixes to specify what width ~each operand~ is (why this is needed ? srsly) , all of this adds up to 3bil transistors that heat the room
asciilifeform: in lulz inspired by bvt's article, asciilifeform went and dug re 'modern' cpu arithm instructions, and found https://lemire.me/blog/2018/04/19/by-how-much-does-avx-512-slow-down-your-cpu-a-first-experiment/ << intel's crud apparently ~drops frequency~ if you use'em , ultimately nuking all gains from doing so ( they want you to use, so as to shit out binaries that crash on amd, but really gains 0 )
trinque: diana_coman, other folks that have cuntooed, can y'all confirm that the paths that ended up in your genesis.vpatch do not in fact exist? I'd like you to reproduce the commands starting at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh in your build directories, i.e. cd ~/src/cuntoo/build/cuntoo and then run them, as root ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you ever wonder why your x64 iron draws 50x the wattage to do same thing as e.g. rk, wonder no longer -- the insanity where shit gets moved around to accomodate idjit instructions with fixed in/out hoppers, the insanity where you gotta set prefixes to specify what width ~each operand~ is (why this is needed ? srsly) , all of this adds up to 3bil transistors that heat the room ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw, bvt , rax etc. ~are~ encoded as 1-8, the iron dun see reg names at all, the classic names are a convention of the asmers and the vendor docs. and imho remains on acct of the asinine x86isms like MUL which use fixed input and output regs, makes'em slightly easier to remember. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:15 asciilifeform: why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900952 << he did, as I've said before http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=localyesconfig ☝︎
asciilifeform: it was 'designed' like dog 'designs' turd as it emerges from arse.
asciilifeform: e.g. you ctrl-c and it nukes ~child~ of process however many layers deep, as in hanbot's example, and instead of propagating the kill up the tree, 'returns' barf uptree
mircea_popescu: which is JUST AS BROKEN BY DESIGN. ctrl-d will end a file AND kill a terminal, but not touch a task. ctrl-c will kill n levels of task depth, as in her example, FOUR. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between selecting for intelligent users and selecting for inept hoop jumping acrobatic users -- and "foss" managed to implement the 2nd kind while loudly making postureclaims as to everything under the sun.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900966 << not clear to me that 'isms' are in play : afaik it's moar of the thing where the anglos have same relation to other folx as worm to apple ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900962 << near as i could tell, subj is a kind of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 , i.e. junkyard dog ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: most amusing element -- neither of the "parties" involved read as much as a line of ye olde menshevik-bolshevik disputes.
mircea_popescu: "racism is cover for capitalism" ongoing in oither soviet as we speak.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-08 18:05 asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published.
asciilifeform: why linus et al did not supply a ready-built http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900938 util, remains a mystery to asciilifeform , just as he found it mystery in '90s ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( if you were to take trinque's example config, your kernel will boot but will panic when looks for root partition, as it won't find that iron's raid card )
asciilifeform: iirc trinque had an experimental proggy that takes a running kernel's lspci / lsmod output, and diddles an existing config so as to give a kernel that boots on $iron . but afaik not yet published. ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900726 <-- incidentally, there is some overlap between logotron web interface and web-based img pastetron: both need www code, which I will genesis as soon as I have a working item ☝︎
hanbot: BingoBoingo please gpg-gram me credentials as per last coupla reboots.
asciilifeform: ... and tito! ( + buncha other figures painted in sovok propaganda as 'devils' )
asciilifeform: ( item was hushed up, best as they could , fathers demoted, sons sent to army , etc )
asciilifeform: 'The drug, developed by Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen subsidiary, is intended to be used with another antidepressant, and only by people who have already tried two and don’t feel better' << lol, 'approved' so long as dun threaten ye olde chemlobotomy racket
asciilifeform: same type as prev.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nuffin wrong with that; so long as also keep in mind http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835153 ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: that's as far as i was able to get when walked through it , aha
trinque: asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.
asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )
asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
asciilifeform: a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )
BingoBoingo: Aite, just wanted to make sure you weren't driving dull side into ground, climbing, and using sharp side as seat. Once again a case of reserve sharp side for enemy.
shinohai: Throw at enemy, laugh as they attempt removal or drop now useless shield.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 23:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889862 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-08#948046 lulz : the dork i used above for a source for the commie radio pictures (not that he originates them, they actually come from http://www.latrecut.ro/2006/05/ric-stramoshul-ipod-ului/ which is significantlly better contextually, but I was lazy) not only passes himself as a "Ministrul Cyberculturii | Recenzii, cronici, cr
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 15:34 asciilifeform: ( and, lulzily, classical sd card ~does not support write protect~, it has the same usg.nonsensical 'software read writeprotect tab' as old floppies )
mircea_popescu: should show the parent. basically, the way this whole thing works is as follows : 1. linux is organized around "processes", which are a sort of agents let's say. they're listed in /proc/ ; 2. any process can spawn other processes, the whole menagerie's spawned by the kernel (which in systemd thing is also process 1, hence the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863880 thing ). 3. a process can close, or be terminated, ki ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a more balanced distribution of your own brainpower to the trees of your own life can only benefit you. as it is, you're stuck now spending weeks of time to deal with the results of decisions that took minutes to take on the basis of information you "compiled" in half seconds, by sucking thumbs.
mircea_popescu: and as to b), you never to my fucking knowledge said the "hey honey, ima go see if i can find something to shoot at in the forest" part. it's never "hey, i plan to spend so much dough to realise this much unbooked profit on the basis of this pricetag and through this process"
mircea_popescu: the cost to own, the cost to use, these fucking figure into the total cost. what good is it you got something 50 or 500 or 5000 bucks cheaper than "the average" if the average wasn't even correctly calculated and as a bonus you lose your horses die in the fire started by the wife's funeral candles ?!
mircea_popescu: as to a) : 1. you see an item for sale, for price X. 2. you don't even bother to calculate the expected-average-X, i suspect, but merely "intuit" it, without even a full second's thought. 3. you calculate X-imagined-avg-X thus obtaining a delta, which then motivates you to purchase, and in the process ALSO commits you.
BingoBoingo: ^ Marketing roughly in the same league as a razor company telling their customers they need to be more feminine men
mircea_popescu: but you can make it as small as you wish!
asciilifeform: i cannot promise to mircea_popescu et al, '1/week', given as i do whole thing in hours between wiping microshit-encrusted arse for a living.
mircea_popescu: as you stand right now, you're in a much worse position than nicoleci. she's a smart girl that got cheated out of an education, and consequently catching up. you're a smart boy that ~refuses~ education, and consequently spinning in place, in 2019 same problems as 2018.
mircea_popescu: again... did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it
mircea_popescu: what you do is what every other similar idiot did since the invention of empire : keep balooning your debts, "yes i'm late with instalment 1 but instalment 2 will be 3x as big! [and also, of course, late]"
mircea_popescu: there's a reason management exists, as a profession. that reason is in full display above : left to their own devices, people like you fuck themselves.
asciilifeform: it so also happens that asciilifeform has day job, where actually cranks out predictable crud. and it soaks up ~70-80% of cycles. but since i dun write about it, apparently as if dun exist.
mircea_popescu: basically, i think i can authoritatively say, on the basis of having been trying to manage your efforts in the past however many years nsa existed, your approach to work is as follows : 1. there's an indistinct and unspecified ball of things you deduced you want on the basis of them being more or less connected to a core of goodness which, not necessarily very examinedly, seems to yield them as first degree relations. 2. you
mircea_popescu: at issue is no kind of objective constraint. at issue is your very infantile approach to work, which could be best summarized as "oh! shiny!".
mircea_popescu: the question is specific enough. you a) failed to publish any ffa matter during the MONTH of february. not during ~each individual week~, as the original notion went, after the last time we reviewed this, more or less around http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/
mircea_popescu: did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it.
BingoBoingo: "This does look to be nearly 20 year old tech. It was used as a supplement for the process to work on I/O devices. It’s actually not needed at all with your system."