asciilifeform: ( leaks , for instance, have a way of widening )
asciilifeform: supposing the calculation was on correct premises.
asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one☟︎
asciilifeform: right, and i also once met a d00d who calculated that it is cheaper to fill his hydraulic fluid tank weekly for several yrs, than to fix the leak
asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach
asciilifeform remembers , as a teenager, seeing a win95-afflicted box with a rotting hdd, losing 2-3% of all sectors and... thing still boots, still functions, ~why?~ , what was all that crapola ~for~
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os...
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' )☟︎
asciilifeform: they're a sort of mausoleum, with the small detail that their lenin is still, in a way, alive
asciilifeform: fsf long ago dessicated corpse, with ~zero influence on anything
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world
asciilifeform: next could ask, why call it champagne if it never saw france
asciilifeform: well also it had the admixture of protestant 'propriety' and (for lack of fitting word)... ordnung
asciilifeform: catch one and plug'im into the mains, and you'll find out many surprises, e.g. that mathematics 'is what the calculator does', philosophy is 'something to do with genders of transgressed boundaries or somesuch poppycock', history 'i went to school like errybody else and learned how we allied with germany against ussr' (actual quote from americaness asciilifeform actually fucked) and i could continue butwhy.
asciilifeform: they're africans, of whatever colour.
asciilifeform: ... and exactly the same, for this exact reason
asciilifeform: 0 connection with actual human intellectual tradition, complete innocence of philosophy/mathematics/history(of any period whatsoever)
asciilifeform: the operative item is not which-sphere, but that they live on one another's shit
asciilifeform: these folx eat nothing at all but 'anglosphere'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every single, without exception, cave of urbit/suckmore/etc 'neets' that's been dug up so far, smells ~exactly the same to me . and imho neither surprising nor really avoidable, this is rather like those squirrels that live in american cities, that eat garbage, who is surprised that they all have scurvy in same way
asciilifeform: 'we'll breed 9000 mircea_popescus out of fungal broth and no one will ever find his way to the original one! genius'
asciilifeform: == 'only usg logs us, and we like it' ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep in mind that the figure claimed concerns the included turdroid or whatever it comes with. in practice we do not know whether proper linux would work similarly. somebody will have to try.
asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different
asciilifeform: also learned that there exists a rockchip laptop, of sorts, 'asus c101pa', but i do not have one here , if someone has the time/inclination he can try it.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
asciilifeform: 'The gopher onion initiative started.' << lol!
asciilifeform: TomServo: lol, just how comically idiot was the parody-tmsr ? do they use dsa keys, kept in keybase ? their mp is bulgarian ? their linux -- rathead ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's '80s acorn coffee 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to this
asciilifeform: reminds me, i was in a train station, and everywhere there were billboards pushing 'milk of the future'(tm)(r), made --no, not from soy even -- but recycled peas.
asciilifeform: evidently 'ministry of plenty' behind schedule
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised there is any gcc left in'ere
asciilifeform: ( exactly how -- i did not yet unearth )
asciilifeform: trinque: the interesting part is that it comes back ~after repeated manual removal~ somehow
asciilifeform: i.e. 'fuckyou terrorist, seems you ain't running ntp'
asciilifeform: trinque: bombs with 'downloaded file is newer than current time' or something to that effect
asciilifeform: ( keep in mind, this box is cheaper than mircea_popescu's cigar )
asciilifeform: hey this is 1st time i gentooated a box with no batteried clocks
asciilifeform: trinque, other gentooists : another interesting discovery : portage has a hard ( but wholly imho spurious ) dependency on working system clock
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the 220 is a cheapo and plentiful rubbish box
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i gotta ask, what possessed you to do it with box switched on
asciilifeform: given as it doesn't expect to be fingered
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: lvds i/o typically dun have antistatic diodes
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ... congrats . asciilifeform did a ~2yr sentence of java mine
asciilifeform: 'This post is literally the sort of thing trigger warnings were invented for' << elsewhere in $link
asciilifeform: something ran out. at any rate i did not expect to see him return to same heathenpit
asciilifeform: another interesting... character reappears in $thread , 'cousin_it' << iirc , a ru d00d, who was what passed for intellectual backbone of the lw forum until formally expelled for -- iirc -- pissing on the 'roko's basilisk' chix
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hey it's the 'my cunt is offended and redpillists are hereby unofficially banned from the forum' critter
asciilifeform: and of course 'Big life change ahead: in March, I, Jess, and our two cats will be renting out our London flat and moving to California’s San Francisco Bay Area for two years!'
asciilifeform: 'Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction. .... This book is essential reading for all thinking people. I’m not going to write a new review here—I think the existing reviews do it justice...' << bahahawat
asciilifeform: loox like a specimen of... homo kanzureicus
asciilifeform: 'EDIT 2017-10-28: DO NOT DO THIS! Dropbox have changed their API, and Netmemo has failed to update to use the new one. I emailed the developer and got no response. Don’t use Netmemo Plus. I want a button on my Android phone that drops voice notes into my GTD inbox.'
asciilifeform: ye olde 'These old versions of toolchain packages (binutils, gcc, glibc) are no longer officially supported and are not suitable for general use. Using these packages can result in build failures (and possible breakage) for many packages, and may leave your system vulnerable to known security exploits' nonsense.
asciilifeform: phunphakt for trinque : apparently something inside current-day portage re-package.mask's gcc <5 'for your own good' on every (?) --sync , leaving it to be unmasked manually.☟︎
asciilifeform: dunno that 'subculture' is the word. sorta like calling syphilis a subculture
asciilifeform: ( not to be confused with futures markets )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found this meaning out from mircea_popescu , believe or not. prior to that knew only from $d00d's crackpottery with 'future markets' (itself stolen from old man admiral poindexter iirc )
