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mircea_popescu: i recall, yes.
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing the gcc 6 branch lacks any sort of incentive exactly in the manner gcc 5 did, making this kind of measures necessary ?
mircea_popescu: i must be misunderstanding something.
mircea_popescu: whereas to literate folk, this is a major topic. "i...can't say that. why can't i say that ? why won't that let itself be said ?!"
mircea_popescu: all the foregoing aside (and much related to what you say) i suspect this is also a very specific vulnerability of the esl folk, in that they DONT expect the language to complain when misused.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
phf: do you see it rationally and then deconstruct it, or do you first experience the wrongness and then seek the source of it? because if it's the first one, then i'm possible lacking necessary tools, but if it's the second, then i just don't always get to the seeking out the source part
mircea_popescu: i can't be the only one dedicated enough to the craft to actually be bothered by such.
mircea_popescu: how does he manages to avoid the exception, you know ? "this enumeration... it doesn't work... what am i actually talking about ?"
mircea_popescu: somehow he manages to write that AND NOT at the same time throw an error. "wait... i... can't actually explain this ?!"
mircea_popescu: i ~can~ name what makes me better in any professional field ffs. who can't ? how couldn't you, if it is indeed professional field!
phf: right, i think perhaps the problem of this particular turn of phrase, is that he can't actually name what makes him a better than average programmer (like ascii's fits in head, or Principles, or), so he's reduced to a shortcut that is insufficient
mircea_popescu: i can't read it any other way than "my racing toolkit consists of duct tape, cyanoacrylate, and just-add-water wheel assemblages to be bolted down on any 2x2 inch flat surface you might wish".
mircea_popescu: if i were trying to teach the "greenhorns" in 1990s how to survive, i'd make them read eg knuth. literate programming. stuff.
mircea_popescu: phf i can't read it like that in the context of the three items that he offers as his tools of the trade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know.
asciilifeform: idea being explicitly anti- fitsinhead, i.e. 'make program behave like ensemble of physical objects'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i!
mircea_popescu: i don't reinstall my toilet, or my stove, or my car.
phf: i missed a point re phk though. is the idea that "scripted os-reinstall" is a bad idea, or that it's insufficient?
phf: i'm pretty sure we had that in thread
mircea_popescu: dem thoughts dun really seem all that provoked, what can i say.
mircea_popescu: the priest, very calmly, "eh, you can fuck your germans ; had i not opened my door you'd have missed him."
mircea_popescu: whenever i read stuff these people (1990s era graybeards) have to say i always get a feeling of that mercedes-riding-priest.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was 2000
phf: i wonder if that bit was added by the editors
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 21:04 BingoBoingo: Well, if this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in transit
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess double fencepost errors are also possible.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun personally see the link between unix and multics beyond "well, thompson and ritchie!!"
mircea_popescu: but i mean... why not straight to analogics.
mircea_popescu: people such as here present will claim that bolix or something like that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix", though cathedral alright.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745837 << cp/m ? i can't begin to imagine what. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i assumed was intentional
mircea_popescu: phf i don't understand the dating scheme involved. page says august 15, 2012, text refers to 2001 as "13 years ago" (so was it 2014 ?) and you present it as an event that just happened ? which is it ?
mircea_popescu: so full excision also acceptable approach. tbh i dun recall this ever having been the problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:31 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
BingoBoingo: Well, if this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in transit ☟︎
asciilifeform: ' Sam Leffler's graphics/libtiff is one of the 122 packages on the road to www/firefox, yet the resulting Firefox browser does not render TIFF images. For reasons I have not tried to uncover, 10 of the 122 packages need Perl and seven need Python; one of them, devel/glib20, needs both languages for reasons I cannot even imagine.'
phf: apparently he also argues for fits in head as the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't find the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused the variety speak)
asciilifeform: phf: recall how i did it in fg.
phf: i think someone was suggesting converting all the png's and gif's into svg, for example, and other like hacks
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 11:49 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why the appeal of google-ish "ai".
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the difference they imagine is
asciilifeform: there's also the simpler alternative, which i originally assumed they use -- simply pulling 'employability' stats out of thin air
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the seekrit, as i understand, is that they were running a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742441 scheme, but in fact were recruiting folx who already ~had~ 'goodjerbs' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745775 << honestly, i don't see what the secret even is. "stanford dares to elitism" ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but the good news is you can config your blogotron to just suck out pastes and put them in blockquotes itself. tho i've not had mp-wp do this
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure it's not deliberate, by this point.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 11:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/stenograma-sedintei-comitetului-politic-executiv-al-cc-al-pcr-din-ziua-de-11-octombrie-1977-translated/ << check out what i found for you!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745755 << it was a formatting issue, and he repasted with p.bvulpes -- but the unfortunate bit is that they, too, will vanish, and the comment becomes useless in <1week unless i manually archive'em ☝︎
mircea_popescu: now i want to link to the thing in this article and... where do i link
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 18:19 phf: manual meaning that i see a vpatch in any random place, i post it (obviously it benefits me, more content etc.)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/stenograma-sedintei-comitetului-politic-executiv-al-cc-al-pcr-din-ziua-de-11-octombrie-1977-translated/ << check out what i found for you! ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Anyone want to put a bet against one bitcent for "Bitcoin passes 12500 (per '!~ticker --market all' VWLA) while I am enroute from StL to Montevideo
mircea_popescu: bette davis is this old woman playing cards with ghetto italians (sordi and i think mangano ?)
BingoBoingo: Not yet that I remember
mircea_popescu: actually, re-reading the comments i know why i wrote it. because i didn't like the implication that "so what if liberalizing drugs leads to truck drivers being forced to meth by economic pressure, fuck them, they're truck drivers". the idea being that you never know who the truck driver is.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, why did i write the original ? i had nfi when i did what the future'd be like. SURELY it was no possible perception of value. but this is merely an indication of just how fucking valuable the whole thing is, if it builds meaning upon itself in a manner that defies imagination.
mircea_popescu: e split-second right before fight, there's not enough brain in any skull that ever passed the woman's middle to manage such ample feats. some try, but why should i take amphetamine today to compensate for having been lazy a decade ago ?
mircea_popescu: and that is what it fucking means, that opportunity loss is unevaluable. had i not written http://trilema.com/2010/daca-tot-ce-poti-face-in-viata-asta/ in 2010, i couldn't have well written http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/ in 2016 ; and without that in turn the quoted piece. you can't summon these up on the spot when you need them, literally cant, just like wolf can't physically sharpen his teeth in th
mircea_popescu: because i wrote all those trilema articles, when i sit down to write an article today, i copme up with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744980 ☝︎
diana_coman: re not really extracts - I guess it's fair to say it's not "extracts" but rather "charms out of" and that certainly makes some sense; although it's totally unclear how it went from conquering actively to charming passively
mircea_popescu: diana_coman point isn't that it extracts, point is that it doesn't, not really. that's what i'm saying, that the whole "whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds" is really VERY vulnerable, because the high organization doesn't ACTUALLY cause or control the extraction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform natural indolence and psychological comfort seeking, i guess. unspoken because defensive.
asciilifeform: i'll admit that i'm not quite sure what the opposing argument, that mircea_popescu is bulldozing, exactly was
diana_coman: well, the *what* it extracts is of course much more telling of what the thing is to start with; as for the reasons there... reason was as far as I understand it "they are better than us because they defeated us", can't say it's obviously "smoke and mirror"
asciilifeform: i thought it was dollars because 'best horse in glue factory'
mircea_popescu: but you can't argue both ends. it can't be "oh, there's no jobs" and ALSO "i'm not doing the jobs". unemployment office kicks you out, and so does everyone else, for good reason.
mircea_popescu: why. who the fuck are they, and who the fuck am i, and who adapts to whom ?
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp... really... i can't do anything, not usefully, not well, not within pre-glacial timeframes, not... not..." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nobody in his line of work has EVER made a bitcoin's worth in one year no matter what they did. but does he have enough sense to go... hmmm... i'll treat this as an advance, and use it to finance my supposedly useful work coming back with deliveries worth at least 10x that, because thaty's how useful i am, and see what happens
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 20:40 BHopkins: I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :)
mircea_popescu: at least when i pour it into the ground, i know what i'm doing with it as i do it.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i'd much rather pour a coupla bitcents into the ground instead of paying "hiring experts" etcetera. by very far.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 11:41 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I may have someone worth inviting to chan for interview in the coming days. Most of the folks I know over there are primarily oral translators, so having to look around a bit. Just got back yesterday - BJ is a real shithole but the people are adorable, lots of good duck. FYI - 'VPN AC' (Romanian) seems to be the only one working well/consistently behind the firewall (I've used many) and
asciilifeform: actually now that i think about it, mircea_popescu had a crypto bounty thing also
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:02 mircea_popescu: i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ?
asciilifeform: do i know about any of this ?
asciilifeform: i suppose the word has >1 meaning
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to hire a bunch of artists for what, 5 years now ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other old news, http://trilema.com/2017/a-better-man-than-i/ aka la grande belezza is a fucking fabulous film.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
asciilifeform: and if i were a haskellist and writing with an eye toward ~machine~ proof, rather than fits-in-head, i probably would have written one.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and originally i even had autozeroing for FZ, and zeroing on going-out-of-stackframe.
asciilifeform: i did not do it because it adds runtime overhead ( the bounds get checked , and even in inner loops ) without preventing any kind of problem that can happen in reality
asciilifeform: diana_coman: why would you divide ? i dun get it
asciilifeform: errythingdepends, i'd expect, on the relative 'sizes' of fox vs forest trees.
asciilifeform: small rfwise i mean.
asciilifeform: ( i fughet for when scheduled, and by whom, mostly slept through this )
mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc i did note that i found that fz_swap is actually used nowhere .
asciilifeform: but observe, i banned heaps.
asciilifeform: but. but i can think of one scenario where they are not pointers, explicitly, but can still have'em point to same place. (though i also banned it!) --- if there were an allocator pool that somehow put X and Y, conventional nonpointerolade items, in the same exact place in memory.
mircea_popescu: he has a good nose sniffing it out, but i don't believe your sicilian's "if thumbs hurt, cut arm at elbow to be sure" approach is warranted. next patch put a warning in the comments an' let 'em be.