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danielpbarron: relatedly, l0de expressed interest in running a "trilema infomercial" on his show. I told him he should bring it up in here, as i'm not sure what that should entail ☟︎

danielpbarron: i think so, but it'd be nice to get a confirmation from him in here

phf: i don't remember if there was any kind of interesting insight from the resulting graph, i should revisit it..

phf: i've also played around with treating vpatch as a container. there's a function on btcbase for splitting all of the vpatches into separate objects, that each hold a single file changes (it's called something like explode-vpatch)

phf: we also at some point had a thread, where i believe ascii but also others were leaning towards the idea of a single file vpatches (i.e. that a vpatch should only ever contain hunks for a single file). i'm starting to think that multi-file solutions in general are a hack ("we can't fit the entire compilation in memory"), but then i've been looking at TeX on one hand, and the "millions of support files" in diff/patch on the other ☟︎☟︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: so far the solutions i see are a) mircea_popescu's "what tree, all patches must descend linearly or be reground into linearity" 2) allow for pressing heads that do not touch the same files

diana_coman: I ran a bit into that with eucrypt but I can't say I have some clear idea what would be a good solution there as it seems to me it's a matter of level considered i.e. file, folder, component, whole project, what

ben_vulpes: it may be that tracking hashes at the file level isn't the right thing, because with vdiff as implemented i can trivially generate a vpatch b while working from a press of a that nevertheless still only depends on genesis if a leaves files untouched and b touches those untouched files only

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 17:52 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch?

borstal: Right Banks, you bastard! I'm the daddy now, next time, I'll fucking kill ya!

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758742 <<< Implying I don't already do this ..... ☝︎

BingoBoingo: There's chicas everywhere so if that fell through no big deal... The concerted effort put for by the locals on the Latino Christmas show, I lack the patience and means to make that happen on a whim.

seefelder: only locally stored ... i am maybe paranoid

seefelder: i am (NOT) a bot, reflecting human species

danielpbarron: i'm familiar with apache but i was trying out nginx at first for this

danielpbarron: photographed the unboxing to maybe post on blog when i figure this mp-wp thing out

danielpbarron: i hate it

hanbot: in other puns, i discovered just this morning that "hippopotamus" is the latin horse + river, had missed out on the double pun fun of http://trilema.com/2017/the-hippopotamus/ 's last line. i stand in awe and horror of whomever ends up adnotating trilema

mircea_popescu: "the arrangement leaves me stranded when eg trying to understand why hillary lost, but that's ok, i'm not really meant to understand things."

mircea_popescu: "oh, i read cnn for the commentary, the boobs are INCIDENTAL. also, fleshhouse and playcunt, same deal. oh and those letters to the editor ? totes legit!"

mircea_popescu: better than the "professional" conceit. really, someone got to anchor tv for their non-cleavage skills ? what am i to believe next, that bridges are for sale ?

mircea_popescu: sometimes lowest effort as typical of tv pays off, i guess.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 13:32 zen_: i have a case of chocolate truffles

a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 01:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758589 << i don't get what the problem is. write a patch that modifies the filebase into the shape you want it to be. what's the problem ?

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758614 << consider a genesis, a and b patchset where a and b don't touch the same files. if i press to b, write a c that descends from b, it will not have a as an antecedent. when you say "modify the filebase into the shape that you want it to be", do you mean include the changes of a in the c patch? ☝︎☟︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: And from the Spades and Spades departmento https://i.redditmedia.com/AQIpkdNnuUHHIyzGjCoT27cNXadOJaQXbMtC5IvJECg.jpg?w=603&s=680f4783200e1fcaac02a3c15602d477

shinohai: I don't think cold storage means what you think it means.

shinohai: http://archive.is/5AOg5 << Run moar prb ... "I dont know how i got hacked, i use my laptop just for coldstorage, i turn it on and all my BTC are gone."

shinohai: http://archive.is/LBEfk << Wonder if I can get a discount if I use Prime.

BingoBoingo: I haven't actively watched tv since Houston

zen_: i have a case of chocolate truffles ☟︎

zen_: oh shit does that mean i have to chat that long?

BingoBoingo: And I got to skip the awkward waiting between mandatory check out and check back in times at the hostel

phf: hmm, i think firefox's history might've died with a crash, so i got nothing, i'll just repost

phf: asciilifeform: weird, because i posted and it gave me a #comment-xxx redirect, which is usually what it does when waiting for moderator

phf: one disadvantage of irc is that once you start on a thought, you can't really revise. i didn't really have a good punch line, so i left it at that, a dud, rather than fizzle with a weak punchline.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 23:56 phf: so naturally i was surprised and delighted when i came to u.s., and discovered that every other person i'd meet was also russian, by way of a great great great great parent who imigrated from ireland, fleeing as he was the repercussions of second desmond rebellion

trinque: MTW: I am the operator, so report any strange to me. sorry for the delay.

trinque: MTW: ah, I see it. there's a printout I apparently didn't get. give me a few and I'll dispatch.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758589 << i don't get what the problem is. write a patch that modifies the filebase into the shape you want it to be. what's the problem ? ☝︎☟︎

MTW: and i see a 0.0 balance now

MTW: i did

phf: so naturally i was surprised and delighted when i came to u.s., and discovered that every other person i'd meet was also russian, by way of a great great great great parent who imigrated from ireland, fleeing as he was the repercussions of second desmond rebellion ☟︎

phf: he said, oh yeah, so i had to explain that you could say that i was irish, by way of Rurik, who was a Varangian. when the guy finally understood what i was talking about, he was not amused, possibly because i got my nordic tribal relationships wrong

phf: so first time i got on irc, 96 or so, i was on some random irc channel, and overcome with the awesomeness (in the proper sense) of this intercontinental communication. the person i was talking to was irish, so, eager to find some common ground in this historically first teleconference between the russian people and the irish, i blurted that you could say that i'm also sort of irish

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758531 << of course it would've sounded a lot lamer, if you just straight up said "i'm from transylvania" ☝︎

ben_vulpes: i baked the vpatch i'm working on by pressing to excise_hash_truncation which only works accidentally, as v.pl presses both leaves at that level (first increase_aggression_levels and then excise_hash_truncation); but i don't see a route to producing a vpatch stitching together excise_hash_truncation and increase_aggression_levels without doing something that v doesn't support like pressing multiple heads

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu: because an ideal v wouldn't apply both increase_aggression_levels and excise_hash_truncation when pressing excise_hash_truncation, how do i make another vpatch depend on both of those without needlessly touching a file changed in excise_hash_truncations to make increase_aggression_levels depend on it or vice versa?

ben_vulpes: oho i think i see why the rebroadcaster appeared to fail completely, nobody likes trb dust

ben_vulpes: will post the transaction dumper later, after i tinker with it a bit more.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755738 << i wrote both a "rebroadcasttransaction" and a "dumprawtx"; the former categorically did not work, the latter...at least produces raw transactions on disk. ☝︎

danielpbarron: i already sent the money to MTW that night. pretty sure it went through

l0de: who I believe registered and leapt through the hoops

l0de: alright, well I am off to take advantage of the holiday cheer by swindling some people

mircea_popescu: i'm from cluj.

shinohai: Logged 13:19 +l0de yes, I'm a gyp >>> dasracist.ada

l0de: yes, I'm a gyp

l0de: I'm actually working on a science fiction story about it right now

l0de: I'm more of a fan of a microsat style solution

l0de: well, I would suggest you remain open to the possibility that this capability exists

mircea_popescu: i am not in intelligence ; i have my very own intel dept, as a going concern.

l0de: oh I see, I was unaware you were in intelligence

l0de: well I'm just saying here

l0de: I'm intimately familiar with nukes

mircea_popescu: i guess you can now read http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/

l0de: whereas I am one of the oldschool change grows out of the barrel of a gun types

mircea_popescu: i meant specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549 ☝︎

l0de: I'm only vaguely acquainted, I spoke with DPB about it

l0de: my own expertise is in psychological operatives, I'm former intel

mircea_popescu: i've no doubt they will be, dood just needs to wake up.

l0de: I generally don't handle the technical elements of it

l0de: I myself partook of such fleshy delights last evening

l0de: I'm here in search of funds

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 14:17 asciilifeform: 1 thing i dunget, tho, how did gerald davis turn into david gerard ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:34 ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/bread-and-circuses/how-i-got-paid-0-from-the-uber-security-bug-bounty-aa9646aa103f and in responsible disclosurabilia

asciilifeform: 1 thing i dunget, tho, how did gerald davis turn into david gerard ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess the buttcoiner pedo pantsuitism readily answers the economic question. dood trashed early bitcoin business BECAUSE that's why he had it in the first place. wasn't looking to do something useful, was looking to establish cred to try and fuck up the useful.

a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 15:14 phf: and for those who'd like an even deeper david rabbit hole, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Gerard and https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Arkady, i am otherwise tapping out. first article of the day, and i've already had enough

phf: i think mr. gerard came up here in a different context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725992 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i guess we leave him a note.

ben_vulpes: anyways, my node is now either fourteen or fifteen minutes behind bc.i depending on how their javascript feels, so perhaps there's nothing to this aggression after all, sorry to disappoint BigTexasBingo

ben_vulpes: i imagine there's some "isomorphic backend rendering" node black magic horseshit going on behind the scenes

danielpbarron: i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies

ben_vulpes: wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!

ben_vulpes: i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu

shinohai: Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off

mircea_popescu: trinque i just got to watch like 4 or 5 different fireworks displays.

shinohai: I have no idea, these things are located all over the building. I like the place though, beats the shit out of LaQuinta Inn or whatever.

mircea_popescu: separate items. i think the sha was in the ml name to prevent collisions ;

danielpbarron: i know this was discussed already but i don't see how the sha in the url helps, or for that matter posting sums in chan. if the enemy is gonna swap out the file he can swap out the hash too right?

mircea_popescu: for teh first time in many weeks, i dunno what to say.

ben_vulpes: do i look like i'm kidding?

ben_vulpes: let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"

ben_vulpes: while i wait for the mailing list to process my latest note, please note that the sig attached in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230 needs renaming to `ben_vulpes_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig' ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758221 << word. i think there's a half dozen websites dissected on trilema displaying the exact behaviour. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: meanwhile, i (sadly) understand http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758272 now ☝︎

mircea_popescu: moar directed next time, i'd guess.

ben_vulpes: ftr, i dun expect a response