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diana_coman: k, I'll
take it down and post it a bit later
diana_coman: and I mean abort_task(current_task) as well as abort
that_task
diana_coman: same if Main program does abort for
that matter: it still waits for children
tasks
to be so kind as
to...
diana_coman: i.e. it "works" in
the sense
that it politely waits until
that wedge
task is kind enough
to please come out of
the loop so you can abort
diana_coman: model of wedged
task was infinite loop, yes; and exit(0) was
the only
thing
that did kill it but as you can see,
that is C; imported in Ada, sure, but...C
diana_coman: hence my additional fuel on fire
that no, it does not do what it promises
diana_coman: asciilifeform, nope; I
tried raise Program_Error and it was just as stuck
spyked: BingoBoingo,
that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file
types and
their sizes,
then will add
them
to
the post.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ^ Not news in
the sense
they just started, news in
the sense "Here's a rich oil field of stupid
the dole's funded" or market for how
the ghost of Rhodesian unfairness is eating
that US colony north of France
BingoBoingo: spyked: I'm curious what happens
to
the size of
the archive if you split out
the DVD's, mp3's and pdfs.
diana_coman: the issue at hand being
that ADA doesn't kill ; and
to add
to
this, note
that in
this case (i.e. some wedged
task) it won't actually *finish* even when its checks fail; so
that promise
that "program will stop running if erroneous state" is at best mis-stated: no, it won't always stop, it might..wait
to stop
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:22 asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add
that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not
the Real
Thing, given e.g.
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388 a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:06 mircea_popescu: so
then i'm guessing if indeed
this problem is encountered
thing should just die altogether.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:00 asciilifeform:
the ultimate win would be
to get something other
than gnat ( say, an adatron implemented in cl... )
that can build something resembling a working gnat. but sadly i suspect
this is yrs away.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:05 diana_coman: I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re
this supposedly simple
thing: how
to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed
to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
BingoBoingo: ^Take 4 at setting an exchange rate
this month
mircea_popescu: "we wanna fight mommy just a bit so she
thinks more of us, not so she gets
the fuck lost and we start our own household"
diana_coman: unless someone wakes up and shows me "here you idiot,
THIS is how
to actually stop at any
time", yes
diana_coman: ofc: pragma Import(C, OS_exit, "__gnat_os_exit") and same for abort for
that matter; so pretty much as above:
to kill, call in C
diana_coman: so now I'll have
to study
that and see how it does it...
diana_coman: hopefully
there still is some way I've overlooked/haven't yet found, what can I say
diana_coman: absolute minimum is hard
to define other
than 0
mircea_popescu: and ada kept
to an arm's length absolutel minimum. i find it immoral
to support development in femstate languages.
mircea_popescu: at
the rate
this is going, main will be c and calling ada bits. and killing
them.
diana_coman: I suppose I still have
to
try...calling pthread_kill from within ada or somesuch madness
mircea_popescu: inb4 "o but mp, lips also doesn't
think so much of anyone besides
the social worker conduit
to govt dole keks"
mircea_popescu will NEVER fucking support
this, i don't care what it is, people, software, whatever
the fuck. husband above ALL children, operator above internal state, no fucking exceptions.
mircea_popescu: how
the fuck dares it love its children more
than its owner!
diana_coman: well yes, outside doesn't care /know about state,
the uncaring outside, obv
diana_coman: ugh, can't say
though I'd really want
to implement more c/cpp
mircea_popescu is seriously considering switching back
to c ; 90% of
the codebase
there already...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman or rather, "how
to a) kill something b) in a manner
that's guaranteed
to work".
mircea_popescu: shinohai just because a buncha kids
take 2-3 ppm of hash and play with it, by cutting it into as many various boxes with labels on
them (which are now "things" dontchaknow) as
the square of
the kiddypool headcount mean nothing.
that's how industry works, back when
the parents were atthe foundry making nails, kiddies had bits and segments of nails in all
the pockets
to play with.
diana_coman: I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re
this supposedly simple
thing: how
to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed
to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
☟︎ diana_coman: and I don't know what does
this make re I/O operations because you can't quite control
they are "in an abortable state" afaik
diana_coman: this is what I understand so far: IF you have
the misfortune of calling something
that won't stop for whatever reason, you're fucked
diana_coman: I also
tried asynchronous
transfer i.e. supposedly "try
this and if
timeout
then do
that" but apparently it's in fact still "oh, but ONLY if abortable"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 ->
this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation
that indeed,
that's an unrecoverable error state; so
this sounds good: if child
task doesn't die when aborted
then kill self (taking
the
task with self
too ofc); I'll experiment with
this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say
that I failed
to find a way
to
terminate
the program if/when one of
the
tasks is just looping infinitely ; I
tried: abort of
the looping
task -> nothing,because
task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from
the main program -> still stuck because apparently it
takes it
to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent
tasks stopped
too!"; raising an uncaught except
☝︎☟︎ shinohai: "There are now 1375 live ETH dApps. 86% of
them had 0 users
today. 93% of
them had 0
tx volume
today."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 15:43 mircea_popescu: seems
the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
mircea_popescu: the females' perl apparatus at least produces babies, yo! what
the fuck's
the male perl machine do ?
mircea_popescu: that'd be back before
they started folding left and right like cockroaches, on
the slightest of pressures, each and all of
them discovering
they'd much rather be "media personalities" with a side-job of dishwasher
than practically anything else.
mircea_popescu: anyone even recall
this, btw, back when "people
themselves" were gonna somehow UGC into existence
the dawn of a new world ?
mircea_popescu: and should we discover
that, suddenly all
the early, romantic era preaching about inflation being bad ~per se~ will need
to somehow be adjusted into "inflation bad because a) market-impredictable and b) government-arbitrary", and a lot of pointing out
that "systems with preknown and immutable inflation are exactly equivalent
to systems with no inflation", "because in functional analysis all constants are equally C" or somesuc
mircea_popescu: should be very interesting
to see what happens next year -- we might discover, for
the "yet unknown bitcoin flaws file"
that indeed halving rewards induce halving of mining-security.
mircea_popescu: in other news, bitcoin difficulty looks like it's finally come out of
the crazy and into economic coupling, check it out, past six months it's been evidently kept in place by fiat exchange rates.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yes, well, i wish
to hear what
that one guy has
to say.
then we see.
mircea_popescu: (spoiler -- it crashes just as much as
the newer ones, damned
thing was never stable in its existence)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:53 mircea_popescu: i use it
to
torture girls.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish
to import x and
then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of
the femstate ilk. i wish
to import x in such a way as
to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
mircea_popescu: ( asciilifeform
turns out it wasn't even gl! but
that sina / herbi fella.)
mircea_popescu: there is ~no point~ in even having graphics if we permit broken interfaces between x and
the downstream apps.
mircea_popescu: (also other reasons, but
this is
the most cleanly evidently indicative of
the braindamage involved)
mircea_popescu: there's no acceptable x-wrappers atm, FOR
THIS REASON.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: it still works
though when xterm is asking you for password because xterm doesn't know it's a password entry, and doesn't do a grab
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 phf: but if you were
to actually repeat
that same exercise when gnupg pinentry is asking you for password you'll see
that it doesn't work
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:44 phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it
to root, and start grabbing all
the events
then you can come
to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all
teh events"