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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite frustrating, i know there ~was~ this thread. but no dice re finding when, where.

mircea_popescu: soo i'm trying to dig up an ancient discussion (in which i proposed to alf he weighs something PRECISELY). i can't find it, of course, but meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336297 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336298 ☝︎☝︎

jurov: oops i tried to decrypt oG7AA instead of MOuRX, nevermind

mircea_popescu: well, it's a huge field, like a major cave-in you stumbled upon here. i don't expect it'll be done in one hack

lobbes: re: dom, I've been wondering if it would be worth it to leverage this to build the trees. alternative I guess would be to parse the downloaded files from archive.is and build based on that

mircea_popescu: but the implications are far-reaching (for one example : sinonymy rings can be declared, whereby a set of images are declared equivalent to trilema's rss.svg, so i can simply see that in there instead of w/e insanity the author picked)\

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786246 << ahh okay, I misunderstood (glad I asked). So each archived webpage will have its own abstract syntax tree of the code. Now I'm starting to see the utility in deduping (e.g. can ignore 'meaningless' changes between otherwise identical webpages (such as an extra whitespace, etc)) ☝︎

ave1: I will finish blog post this week

lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything

ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219, I'm working on custom runtime / zero footprint ada code ☝︎

lobbes: I am guessing it will be something like: 1) root 2) nodes for 'distinct url', each who has child nodes representing 3) historical instances of that 'distinct url', each who has child notes representing 4) the collection of files that make up that webpage

lobbes: so, here's what I understand thus far re: my goal (plox to correct me): essentially construct a 'tree' of the set of all webpages archived. the 'root' will be the hash of all branches. where I'm still fuzzy is how the remaining branhces/nodes are to be structured (though perhaps this may become clear to me upon further study)

lobbes: mircea_popescu: while I'm still working through my self-directed remedial mathematics studies to understand merkle-trees at a functional level, what I have learned so far got me thinking:

trinque: works for me. I'll snag it

mircea_popescu: of course. that's why i say, why not own the central word.

trinque: upstack a bit, I can see the argument for separating functionality into meaningful (nick)names

a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 02:41 TomServo: Wish I could help with any current woes, if that's possible lemme know.

mircea_popescu: well, i was more probing if you actually want to implement the whole rss thing yourself or pass it along to some noob.

mircea_popescu: and 3 really should be a separate bot i think.

mircea_popescu: now as to 1, i don't think it should be out of chan, on one hand because "secret" deeds plainly don't make sense ; on the other because the voice thing is ~probably~ premature in channel that is both new and customer facing. but in principle certainly could in the future have local l1 with voice model for diff channel, i think.

trinque: I don't understand the question.

ben_vulpes: yeah, tis what i thought as well

mircea_popescu: im not sure i want to have you maintain rss-shenanigans as part of deedbot proper, they're widely disjunct seriousness.

mircea_popescu: i suppose if you actually make the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1784956 item then that'd prolly want its own #pizarro list ; but also by now it's such a complex piece of gnarl might even want to separate a rss-bot out of deedbot ☝︎

trinque: I don't see why not, after I make sure other parts (voicing etc) work

ben_vulpes: sweet trinque does that mean i can get deedbot in #pizarro then?

mircea_popescu: i expect it's the story of !!balance

mod6: Thanks for digging that up phf! archive.is seems to have trouble pulling the patch directly from shithub. I've grabbed it and posted it myself for the ages: http://archive.is/1w3Kx

phf: now this could be misconstrued as a passive aggressive "how about now! can you read it now!", but my middle click copy paster failed, and then it's znc that's throttle sending. i figured i could kill znc, but mp was faster on the draw

mircea_popescu: i mean this literally, they went offline at some point.

trinque: somebody gimme a better rsatron and I'll use that instead. ☟︎

trinque: I am really opposed to putting any work whatsoever into managing gpg's unnecessary complexity

BingoBoingo: <phf> easiest way to get a rise out of my iranian colleagues is to suggest that samovar and olivier salad were not "invented" by iranians << I enjoy telling the Argentines their mate has too many sticks and twigs

mod6: Thanks phf, I think I'm gonna conjure something up over here too just to see.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 20:29 mod6: And rather than do a fast job to complete this ; I think the right approach is to comb through the entire thing and ensure that no UTF-8 is hiding.

mod6: I'm on it, The Foundation is going to close out the month with the SoBA. This work will be high priority post month-end.

mod6: And rather than do a fast job to complete this ; I think the right approach is to comb through the entire thing and ensure that no UTF-8 is hiding. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i'm guessing the only way out of this predicament is to have an actual regrind, into a new genesis, of all the patches we actually want.

mod6: I'd have to dig for that to prove tho.

mod6: Yeah, but furthermore, I don't think the "no UTF8" rule had been established at that point.

mod6: I pulled the original posts from the ML, and then started looking for "e2 80 94" which I ~think~ is the bad char.

phf: you're assuming that i'm trying to say something useful!

phf: i still have muscle memory for dashes, quotes and a few math symbols on mac en layout. (i would even differentiate between russian << .. >> and en `` .. ''). this stuff seemed like the future in the early 2000s..

phf: mod6: right, that's the right thing to do; for a longest time i was still pressing with the original v.py, but i suspect most people (except maybe ascii) use v.pl at this point

mod6: I can confirm.

phf: and in vaguely related, while writing a chain verifier for btcbase, i found that we have utf-8 in genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L23962

phf: i think right now the way things are implemented (that goes for btcbase anyway) you can have a chain, that links correctly, but actually doesn't press to anything at all like what the hashes claim

phf: in any case i'll produce a fix by wednesday, but not before. this requires careful work ☟︎

phf: i have a btcbase based test harnes, but it of course also didn't catch the issue, because it doesn't know about `\ No newline ...' in band thing either. it treats that line as a textual prelude to the next hunk which is a valid patch format

a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 01:46 hanbot: phf : patched fix for vdiff produced a genesis for me but complains about 'no newline at end of file' for some 67 files. not clear to me whether i oughta be concerned/what gives.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: Thinking about it I recall seeing it both ways

BingoBoingo: I am just the fellow who reads the graffiti

asciilifeform: and i was thinking nearly same thing re the price.

hanbot: phf : patched fix for vdiff produced a genesis for me but complains about 'no newline at end of file' for some 67 files. not clear to me whether i oughta be concerned/what gives. ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785665 <- hmmm, I can see the utility of this and I can see it as something built on top of eucrypt but I'm not totally sure I see a very strong case for including it in eucrypt as such ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i never knew dj quals was cool ; fucking sideshow of a sideshow (tom green) in a dubious mainstream teensploitation (road trip)

hanbot: <phf> hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together << produced executable, tyvm.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)

mod6: I'd also like to buy five for personal use.

mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...

ben_vulpes: all the fg sitting here are spoken for; did mod6 ever get a quote for the ten or so i wanted?

ben_vulpes: how about we wait until it's online, i'll take your handshake until then

mircea_popescu: o wait, another point : i want 2 fgs into this thing. you dun have fgs do you ?

mircea_popescu: aite, where do i send it ?

ben_vulpes: although perhaps i gotta sell it to you as i won't have a spare to fulfill that promise until the next run.

mircea_popescu: so what's the deal here : i pay for a year, at the price of 0.048xxx * 12 / 2 * 1.2 ; at the end of the year i don't own the machine ; but if it breaks down during the year you replace it free of charge to me ?

ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year? ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: mno. if you rent it out for 2x what it costs to buy it over a year, then if i pay for the whole year i'm basically spending the same money as if buying the machine, but not actually buying it. this is a bum deal. i'm willing to rent it (ie, monthly) or buy it (ie, own it), but i'm not willing to eat the downside of both approaches.

mircea_popescu: ie, i'm willing to either buy the machine or rent it ; but pick one.

mircea_popescu: do i still have to pay 2x the cost if i pay for the year upfront ?

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes consider it sold ; where do i pay ? send diana teh login details. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785673 << makes sense, i just published the gear Pizarro has for hire immediately. i can either lease you that box *or* a vps on it :\ immediately, but i'll also be running more boxes down in the near future ☝︎

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785862 << that's the idea, but __attribute__ is a gcc specific feature. i'd like to have a catalog of such extension because i noticed there's few more here and there ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2013-01-17 00:26 mircea_popescu: "I've survived entirely on bitcoin for a whole year. "

BingoBoingo: They area I'm in Pocitos/Buceo barrios were resort towns until the city swallowed them. Most of the other Barrios came into the city similarly as encampments and villages that the city just kind of grew into. Reading into the history here it was a sparsely populated country of men until the 1880's. Then the Italians came.

mircea_popescu: kinda how i recall it eyah

BingoBoingo: I'm still learning and this is a very rural city.

mircea_popescu: i dunno if it did anything fgor them though, i've not been back

mircea_popescu: local receptionist girly (that's the supreme social achievement for the hairdresser class chickie here, being a doc's receptionist is almost as good as being marriewd to him) at the cima hospital (best in the country!!!) was utterly shocked when my response to her telling me the doctor who was like 10 mins late just called to say he's "on his way" but no specific eta wasn't "ok, ok" but "thast's unfortunate, i have other appo

asciilifeform: phf: your proggy built without eggog here, but then i saw and yes gcc 4.9

BingoBoingo: I've learned local moo cows get a bit more responsive the next time, after walking away from them because you have an appointment to make. Actual appointment not necessary.

asciilifeform: i must admit, i've been enjoying saying to various folx : 'sorry, out of time, laters'

mircea_popescu: unsupportive, eh. well, so sit it somewhere and turn on the timer, what can i tell ya.

asciilifeform: i ain't posing.

asciilifeform: i'ma write an actual essay about time, when i figure out an actual rhythm worth writing of. currently all i have is a 'triage', to actually track what eats resource, and cut off deprioritized ( mainly , real-time interactions... ) items when running short.

mircea_popescu: i can see it.

BingoBoingo: I have as well, in addition to the blog writing. Events have been very 2013 part II entonces feel I ought read more 2013 and 2014

mircea_popescu: i've been on a blogreading kick of late.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i've been quite enjoying your last articles btw. << Thank you.

mircea_popescu: i really should link that bit about teh bureaucrats more often.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i miss a picture post somehow ?

a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 04:56 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785651 << that works for me also, i seem to recall threads where alphabets were discussed and maybe byte order was dismissed, but my memory is vague on subject

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785845 << well, i'm trying to reopen them ☝︎

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i've been quite enjoying your last articles btw.

phf: hanbot: and another option is to use this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UpI9J/?raw=true vpatch, unsigned because i'd like to wait till wednesday to roll all the fixes and cuts together

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785651 << that works for me also, i seem to recall threads where alphabets were discussed and maybe byte order was dismissed, but my memory is vague on subject ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-23 01:20 hanbot: in today's lols, i go to make the new vdiff, i get http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WoPts/?raw=true

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785630 << so offending attribute is _Noreturn, which is a c11 feature that was only introduced in 4.7. but! i tested with 4.6.4 on freebsd before release, i now also compiled 4.4.3 and it still works. running cpp-4.4 on the file it looks like something in freebsd headers actually replaces _Noreturn with an __attribute__ call that older gcc's support. with a test file with `void _Noreturn foo() {...}' but without any includes, ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i thought this was an 8chan meme