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asciilifeform: the knobs still on conveyor are -- subroutines; hash ; constant-time table lookups. that's it.
asciilifeform: ( ideally i could rule out the existence of such thing as a class, but alas cannot )
asciilifeform: if someone thinks he needs a ~number-theoretical~ knob that 1) is missing in current ffa 2) cannot be efficiently baked out of the primitives -- he had better speak up soon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cool. Once the test subject gets here I'll start working on learning Cuntoo through practice.
asciilifeform: ( to be pedantic -- peh. ffa proper , is imho done, unless a reader finds apeloyee-style 'here's where you could have 2x faster' thing )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ffa is 3 ch away from fieldable beta atm ; so in attempt to avoid ending up like mod6 , i'm currently 100% in it. afterwards will switch for a spell to 100% elbows in piz. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and it aint even necessary to saw open a bolix to see why this was. they didn't have to have a did_machine_do_what_i_said(...) after ~erry line.
asciilifeform: consider the not-uninteresting fact, that on 370,000-transistor bolix, ada was 50kloc ; while on 3bil+-transistor x86, ada (gnat cum gcc cum deps) is , what, 1mil+ ? and their kernel was iirc ~50kloc, while ours...
BingoBoingo: If they Uruguayos had humor and lightbulbs they could try as well.
asciilifeform: old sovok practicaljoak -- shake out bag of flour in a room, then leave the light bulb with filament sans glass
asciilifeform: mno this aint why
BingoBoingo: Sure, this is why concrete dust is such a hazard to have uncontained.
asciilifeform: and tend to bake semiconductor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funnily enuff, even ~this~ is trickier than you think -- ordinary cement ( and epoxies as well ) cure exothermically
BingoBoingo: A lot of questions are very very open, but cement is one of the cheaper ingredients in the seal in cement formula.
asciilifeform: imho nuffin linus et al shat out rises to anywhere near the level you'd want for this, but again 'you go to war with army you have'(tm)(r) etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i know for a fact that there exist pdp8 in actual cement, last i knew still processing inputs . so it aint entirely out of the question.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i cannot speak for others, but from my pov cuntoo is a wartime t34 , and defo not something i like to picture myself using 20y from nao << Someone's probably sealing Cuntoo'd devices in cement within 5 years
asciilifeform: ( ditto gnat. the troo adatron would be a ~50kloc bolix-style ada on sane iron support, rather than crusty old gnat )
bvt: i.e. finishing stage0/mes integration, and also there is a problem of bootstrapping gnat
asciilifeform: ( or for that matter any other unix, ditto )
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for others, but from my pov cuntoo is a wartime t34 , and defo not something i like to picture myself using 20y from nao
bvt: well, the question is then, whether we want to do this for cuntoo -- this work will need some resources dedicated to it.
asciilifeform: characteristically of people who set out to solve the Wrong Problem , they will trip over own feet 9000 times and learn 0
bvt: it's just that if components fit in head, imo alpha/beta does not apply
bvt: nope, it's not 'did' even for linux; this work is in WIP, not even alpha stage.
asciilifeform: bvt: was this 'can' accompanied by a 'did' ?
bvt: otoh, author did mention that most of the tools can be easily made to work on e.g. dos
asciilifeform: i.e. to go through the sweat of building an arch, only to then plant kernighan and poettering on top again.
bvt: asciilifeform: yes, this is a problem; for example, their x86_64 hex0-2, as little sense as this can make (in presence of intel me&etc), are done as linux binaries: currently their goal is to bootstrap linux
asciilifeform: i suspect that the 'let's bootstrap c' thing comes from a narrow fixation on thompsonism to the exclusion of the other 9000 leprosies of the pdp age.
asciilifeform: ( on the other end of the barf -- picture, C is what they want to bootstrap. because somehow can have sanity while preserving GB of pointerfandangoandcrashlang in the stack, somehow . )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 18:55 mircea_popescu: IMO it makes no sense adopting the VM, given that apparently mips.v7 will be the republican CPU architecture on ice40. << i very much not agree ; much too soon to standardize this.
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1903106 << i also agree that it is; i don't find myself knowledgable enough to make a decision on the republican cpu architecture, but for bootstrapping using ice40 with its limited resources a simple mips core sounded fitting. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 15:05 mircea_popescu: bvt http://archive.is/febOU#selection-89.0-89.194 << are these people still active or is it basically ozymandias over there ?
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1902991 << as far as the 'stage0' is concerned, there is one guy manaloneing (OriansJ in #bootstrappable), and a dozen of people watching. can't say anything about 'mes' yet, it has a different author. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the notion that 'all irons are the same' , while correct in a narrow mathematical sense , has done a good bit of damage . arguably turned entire field into garbage, at that.
asciilifeform: but author rarely cares to think about 'later'
asciilifeform: all of these folx, afaik, do ~exact same thing, they take the school cpu from their kindergarten textbook and proclaim 'hey this fits in head, let's bootstrap on it'
asciilifeform: picture if i had made ffa deal in 32bit words, and then proclaimed 'implement bignum on that'. do you imagine the result would be in any sense 'fits in head' ?
asciilifeform: n iron -- you get 9000x the mass later.
asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/#selection-29.94-29.340 << imho ~100% of the attempts on record , made exactly same mistake -- they assumed that 'architecture-specific aspects creep into the design of the boostrapping process' only concerns ~what is there~ in the arch, and not ~what is not there~ (e.g. sane memory management, type tags) . if you dun put the complexity of certain necessary sanities where it belongs -- i ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: bvt is the author still alive btw ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whole thing interesting indeed.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 23:49 asciilifeform: if we had a sane iron, would be similarly easy to produce a back end ( and that's what asciilifeform thinks of as 'ada machine' )
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897834 thread ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-207.0-207.164 << imho if a lang is intrinsically difficult to bootstrap, it (and/or ~the iron~ chosen for the attempt) is thereby defective.
asciilifeform: ( it's entirely ok as illustration of forthism, but absolutely terrible from 'bootstrap' pov , for the reason described in linked piece )
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-113.0-119.197 << asciilifeform picked up 'jonesforth' ~decade ago, and barfed from this very thing
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 15:28 mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-149.0-155.207 is precisely the example i was looking for in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900631
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1902996 << whole thing imho interesting. ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: any idea whether there is a www-navigable map of these anywhere ? ( a la ye olde trb flow graph 'wish item' ) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm curious wtf aes is doing in the kernel.
trinque: menuconfig search and help are the tools to figure this kind of thing out.
trinque: it's able to be N over here. "selected by" : USB_NET_RNDIS_WLAN [=n] && NETDEVICES [=y] && WLAN [=y] && USB [=y] && CFG80211 [=y]
asciilifeform: and may be worth the bother to find perpetrator and name ftr.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my ( dulap & rk ) trees, eat 'n' re subj w/out choking
mircea_popescu: hanbot this was actually a most useful an productive exercise tyvm.
mircea_popescu: oh an' looky, CRYPTO_ECHAINIV. http://archive.is/BZZSu for the lulz.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/turkeys-erdogan-called-out-in-manifesto-by-eco-terrorist-brenton-tarrant-using-attack-footage-in-campaign-rallies/ << Qntra -- Turkey's Erdogan, Called Out In Manifesto By Eco-Terrorist Brenton Tarrant, Using Attack Footage In Campaign Rallies
a111: Logged on 2019-03-16 01:05 mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ do anything for you ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-16#1902970 << indeed! quite a summary. ben_vulpes pointed me at that tome. ☝︎
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part IV
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part V.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i am pleased that you like it, but must note that if you had read ch13-16 , would have already seen most of it before..
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plz snarf ch17 : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 , ty
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 17: Introduction to Peh.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo found it btw, it was http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << For somereason thought you wanted an older one and there were so many that came close
mircea_popescu: if you get it ready to testing, you can either talk with BingoBoingo to install it somewhere or install it yourself, i'll testrun and definitely let you know if anything broke my flow.
mircea_popescu: but the described methodology is sound.
billymg: hanbot: that's encouraging, ty
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:54 spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
billymg: as sort of a backwards way to arrive at http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 ☝︎
hanbot: anyway fwiw i dun use and see no use for the wysiwyg editor thingamajig otherwise.
billymg: to describe my overall thinking/strategy with mp-wp, i would like to 1) rip out everything not absolutely necessary for the basic functions of blogging/moderating 2) after arriving at the bare minimum, fit what's left in my head to then evaluate ways to simplify/improve/rewrite
hanbot: mircea_popescu as far as i can tell image insertion dosen't actually rely on tinymce, though there may well be a snaggletooth of it in the php scripts therein somewhere. unhelpfully enough, "i don't think so, but i wouldn't wanna swear".
billymg: i can investigate. assuming image uploading/linking can be handled without tinymce, but still within wp-admin, would tinymce still be needed?
billymg: cool, and that's a pretty hefty library
mircea_popescu: however -- i do use the image inserter. and afaik that is tinymce powered. hanbot ?
mircea_popescu: billymg i also edit in the raw html.
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about "ease of use" in that sense, only way to import into mp-wp is via flatfile anyway. so knock yourself out with all that.
billymg: for example, the "wysiwyg" editor, tinymce, that is packaged with wordpress. do any of the current mp-wp users use this? i personally edit in the raw-html input for posts
billymg: i think there's another order of magnitude lines of LOC that can be removed similarly, but i thought i'd check and see what features should _not_ be removed
billymg: i was finally able to get back to some mp-wp work this weekend, with the focus of ripping out unnecessary LOC. after some time getting oriented again it took a few hours to remove ~5k lines just from some "google gears" thing and various "importers" for importing posts from other platforms
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely too soon. i'm not convinced that we want the flaglessness, for instance (mips buys with it , the pipeline, but do we even want pipeline)
billymg: hiya trilema
mircea_popescu: IMO it makes no sense adopting the VM, given that apparently mips.v7 will be the republican CPU architecture on ice40. << i very much not agree ; much too soon to standardize this. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/#selection-205.0-205.108 << i agree with this, and must confess i'm quite impressed.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/lets-look-at-the-mechanism-of-decay/ << Trilema -- Let's look at the mechanism of decay
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-232.8-255.136 << this shit's fucking hysterical.
mircea_popescu: ile size. this would be the mode of son-mother, and guess what, it fails in its only promise, no diversity there. so... absent in practice.)
mircea_popescu: (this also explains why son-mother so rare : there's two manners of human accuplation, type 1 as in missionary sex, where the female tries to hold on to a dominant male for child support and type 2 as in she's walking side by side holding dominant male's hand but turns her ass so cadet male can fuck her on the quiet. type 2 maintains as a behaviour because it produces diversity -- it's for instance the principal driver of pen
mircea_popescu: if they're close, father-daugther fucking becomes biologically free option.
mircea_popescu: yes there's a biological cost to endogamy. however, there's also a biological cost to eschewing the dominant male.
mircea_popescu: actually, thjis is adaptative.
mircea_popescu: father-daughter is male driven. (son-mother is very much discussed but actually rarer than pixie dust)
asciilifeform never directly witnessed subj, will have to buy
mircea_popescu: sister-brother fucking is, to my knowledge, just about never male-driven.
asciilifeform: well fourlegged critters will happily fuck anyffing, i expect it's an extention of that, rear brain worx , front brain unplugged