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asciilifeform: ( the latter not used for any of the published tests, but to simply gauge the effect of 'modern' x86isms . fwiw does have constant-time mul etc )
asciilifeform: i also built at various points on a heathen i7 (2.8G) and there runs ~2x faster across the board, ftr
asciilifeform: that's substantially faster box than mine ftr
diana_coman: on that d1 intel from http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/28/zcx-vs-sjlj-data-set/#selection-113.0-113.85 the tests of eucrypt that generate a key pair take at times ~20 min, just to give an idea ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: no rush, we'll find out how compares on given $iron when you get around to 18 .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: timings sounds good to me; I have it on the list to get some timings for comparison when I get to eat full FFA, yes; atm though I can tell for sure that 10 minutes for generating key is both fine and rather fast even.
asciilifeform: aanyways i expect that when diana_coman gets to eating ch18, we can compare properly .
asciilifeform: tho unless i misread, that ^ figure included 16 iterations thereof, rather than 1
asciilifeform: 'A relatively short test run obtained 40 random primes of 2048 bits each in 13274 seconds in total (3.7 hours) meaning on average 331.85 seconds per prime (~6 minutes).'
asciilifeform: diana_coman back in the day posted old-style mpi timings but i do not know on what irons so cannot readily compare .
asciilifeform: ( when 1st started ffa, was quite ready to live with 'keygen takes hour+' ftr )
asciilifeform: tbh i cannot however think of when or where i would say 'ugh, 10min is too long for baking a 4096b key'..
asciilifeform: ( naturally at no point will the algo complete faster than the time eaten by the given # of m-r rounds specified )
asciilifeform: to reduce the # of sad candidates that m-r ends up eating
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, will add that it is possible to speed up the algo by giving not only 1 'primorial up to width' but it and then whichever number of product(n+1th-prime ... n+i-th prime) that yet again fit in the width, and so forth, for any desired # of small primes, for the initial sieve
asciilifeform: ( so i expect will be ~7 min. or so per 4096b key, on iron of this horse )
asciilifeform: granted for actual key will want also random e , and will reject some p,q,e triples based on the obvious rule
asciilifeform: grr, earlier typo, not ~1s fastest of course, but 16 , lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, koch takes approx same time, and that's with him not using rng witnesses at all iirc...
asciilifeform: it's ~= the figure i predicted on napkin, but nao has experimental confirm.
asciilifeform: the carryaway is that ( with operating fg ) it'll take <2min to bake a 4096bit key .
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mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, so it takers a minute. current gpg takes as much, and ssh which doesn't is sucja cryptojoke as to not be worth the mention.
asciilifeform: example is to illustrate style, i did not particularly doubt that it'd work as described .
asciilifeform: if the q returned a null, not problem, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al ^ plox to comment .
asciilifeform: grr, timings didn't make it in; range from <1 to 70sec
asciilifeform: on avg. takes 1 - 50 (worst so far) sec. on the 'standard' test box.
asciilifeform: in other noose ! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6rnvA/?raw=true << prelim. smoke test of ch18 example 2048b prime gen. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/USsFD/?raw=true << sample output with timing. all the primes pass on e.g. wolfram's , if anyone has a favourite 3rdparty litmus, plox to try also when ch18 posted.
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BingoBoingo: ^ Pretty much the divide between Republic and the outside
mircea_popescu: no markings are clear in modern democracy. it's written in the constitution : everyone is to be idemnified for all things they do not read. ☟︎
asciilifeform: gotta wonder re the thought process. door clearly marked 'If you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.' eh . ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 17:49 mircea_popescu: grangerstranger, who the hell are you then ?
mircea_popescu: it was a fleeting momentary thought! such as occurs in my box occasionally! i'm not proposing marriage over here!!1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 'granger' is today an agricultural gear supplier in usa . ( named after 19th c union thing of some variety )
mircea_popescu: "My friends: We really need to start talking nicer to eachother 4 minutes later: “You really are a stupid ass bitch”"
mircea_popescu: easy enough to check, on the other side. but yes, chick's a cut above the usual dickowsy.
diana_coman: in fairness though,I'd say it's untrue: there's LOTS of dicking around so they...try!
diana_coman: "Dudes are out here going to the gym to only work out their arms and chest and constantly skip everything below their torso." aahaha
diana_coman: eh, what's to stop stealing internet names if images is too hard; but anyway.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, there's a pronstarlet the naming reminds me of.
diana_coman: re grangerstranger it's really that those never talking actually are ghosts even if poked? what a surprise
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, word. it's more a thing for something like mp-wp, which is a sort of enduser app so to speak, than something like eucrypt that's basically a library, or in any case a building block intended for use in forging.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: fwiw everything I published v-versioned has the tests included as a subdir with its own .gpr file and all that; I'm not sure a fork of the V-tree is really needed for this (i.e. deleting a whole dir is easier than maintaining a for as far as I see it atm).
mircea_popescu: grangerstranger, who the hell are you then ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: The extremes were more extreme back on the plains of old country, but here the baseline level of air movement is quite a bit higher.
mircea_popescu: it's started here, the wind. it'd be tornado level anywhere else, it freely moves the damned car on the highway, "what the fuck, is my direction shot what the fuck is this ?!" "just windy" "holy shit!"
BingoBoingo: Well, walks are getting easier now that the wind and chill is clearing the locals off the riverwalk
mircea_popescu: well in the meanwhile stop burning so much incense on the melancholy temple. idle hands an' all that!!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (i kinda suspect BingoBoingo would do a lot better with a partner on the grounds, tbh) << I suspect similar ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this way, someone looking to test presses to both heads and voila. it has the potential to significantly improve the quality of testing done, both in the sense of total and highwater mark.
mircea_popescu: same goes for whoever else has a good testing suite for whatever they're maintaining : publishing a "devel" branch, including testing and whatever else tooling in that vein is certainly a legitimate use of forking the v tree.
mircea_popescu: billymg, if you're happy with it, one thing you could do is patch your testing suite as an alternate patch off mp-wp genesis ; this way people looking to test can just use it (and patch atop it if need be) rather than write from scratch. ☟︎
billymg: and i did pretty thorough local QAing before publishing, but having more testers would be great
billymg: a freshly pressed copy of the divergent patch found here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= has been running on my blog since sunday though
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 00:55 Mocky: I'm going to finish moving my blog over to mpwp this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live. Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address to Doha derpchain gathering.
billymg: Mocky: i plan to have my recent remove-tinymce patch updated to go on top of hanbot's this weekend, if you'd like to use for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1904998 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and for the rotaku club : https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/A_zecea_muz%C4%83 (one of caragiale's best satires, utterly destructuring "modern" world.)
mircea_popescu: same exact youth that then go and bludgeon police into the ground. rinse, repeat, scale up, take over.
Mocky: actual dream. and now i'm heading to bed
mircea_popescu: is this you trying your hand at mosesing ?
Mocky: I had a dream 3 nights ago that I walked down a row of 4 houses and banged on each door as I went past yelling "send our your oldest girl" and the doors all opened and 4 female lions came running out as if to chase and attack me. But I stared them down and told them they are with me now. Apparently they were talking lions because they all said "ok" and then followed me as I walked off.
mircea_popescu: "mayor of the palace", whatever.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, pepin the short was the original carolingian king of the franks. started career as exactly that, "being paid to guard the household while selling tickets to rape the wives"
mircea_popescu: yeah. but the contrary consideration's certainly sound, "let's do things in the order they can be done in, as opposed to any other."
Mocky: I only say that because on some level it appeals
mircea_popescu: Mocky, i'm just laying it on the table, plainly. i'm not trying to force you into nonsense.
mircea_popescu: all that's needed is the proper an' adequate supply of pippins der kurzen
Mocky: "go to qatar" "start a church" ... crazy shit I tell you
mircea_popescu: the place is quite ripe for it, on one hand lots and lots and lots of useless and idle youth, on the other hand large paper fortunes desperate for some protection. can very well get paid to "protect the household" while selling tickets to rape the wife, it's 100% a opera buffa sorta sittuation.
mircea_popescu: item crumpled over absent grassroots. not that it's hard to remedy : get a church registered, organize donation campaigns, get some real estate and run events off it, there you go.
mircea_popescu: (same exact blueprint that's working quite so splendidly to embarass french pantsuit these days, exactly)
mircea_popescu: the context was, some farmers were disputing usg's territorial claim, and it'd have been a decent opportunity for some keks. free beer, collegiate sluts, get a party going, let the landsknecht deal wirth it
Mocky: ahh, thx
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359583 << there. ☝︎
Mocky: is this that evanglism thing? http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-15#675799 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (i kinda suspect BingoBoingo would do a lot better with a partner on the grounds, tbh)
mircea_popescu: basically the discriminant there was "decided to staay or leave ? if stay, x, if leave, dunno, maybe go to paraguay see if can help bingo get that hardware shop off the ground or something"
Mocky: i have no objection to that line of thinking
mircea_popescu: well, mid term is mid term, what, three, five, ten years. none of the items described there are longer commitments anyway, you can totally get a church going in the mid term -- if it goes anywhere i'm sure there'll be who wants to take over if / when you feel like leaving.
Mocky: Yes. and also firmly decided to make the mid term as short as possible
mircea_popescu: so basically what you're saying is that you're only firmly decided to stay in us for the ~mid term~ as opposed to "more than that" ?
Mocky: I did. And now I'm going to find a way out that doesn't involve poverty.
mircea_popescu: well, im not sure i follow what;s going on, but didn't you execute a 1. i must pay dubaloos so and so a month to landlord therefore -> 2. i must take job in empire and thus logically -> 3. gotta live there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:22 mircea_popescu: if you just run by whatever shines you'll get overwhelmed and then depressed at how the sand sucks effort with no visible return.
Mocky: I am serious about finding a way out of mordor. I'm interested in both tech & non tech hole filling: giving the matter due consideration so as to avoid http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828117 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, there's a lot both tech and non tech holes to fill.
mircea_popescu: rly as a church and all that line).
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 23:18 mircea_popescu: if anyone recalls, at that time the intended republic-sponsored kegger party at the site of some anti-usg rebellion died over portland's apparent failure to produce beer & sluts under ben_vulpes 's direction.
mircea_popescu: other than that, a) if you'd rather mostly deal with c legacy codebase you could also work with diana_coman on an eulora client ; b) if you'd rather do evanghelism work the original job in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903518 line is still open -- you could work to advertise your castle in heathenworld (leverages pizarro directly ; and if you're serious about not leaving the ushithole you can incorporate it regula ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 21:31 asciilifeform: i'll add that even a tcp skin wouldn't be entirely useless ( right nao the only way to write a wwwistic proggy in ada is to use adacorpse's 'gnatsockets' crock of shit )
Mocky: ada sounds good. I'm not sure if db wrapper is a good starting point though, maybe work up to it
mircea_popescu: or you wanna try your hand at http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 ?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, what sounds good ? you wanna do the ada db wrapper for instance ?
mircea_popescu: item should be ~the most accessible if i had to guess.
asciilifeform: any given piece of peh tape cannot refer to anything that lies to the right of it, ergo 1 walk suffices
asciilifeform: but imho 1st it oughta become 'second nature' for the n00b , to read the examples with naked eye
asciilifeform: at some pt i'ma publish the emacs majormode for editing pehs. it is ~much~ easier with colours etc
asciilifeform: Mocky: most battlefield pehtapes , i expect, will be ~much~ easier to read than these ( e.g. will include comments, an' meaningful names ) . these, are simply micro demos that fit in log line