asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-995.0-1015.1 << see also mircea_popescu's picture of the pathology.

asciilifeform: ( in his own nearly exact words, 'my system is carefully and delibrately designed not to be bitcoin' )

asciilifeform: or yarvin -- bitcoin.

asciilifeform: it's exactly same thing as where the haskelltards carefully, studiously avoid making a lisp.

asciilifeform: so instead 'let's hot plastic'.

asciilifeform: he milleni-derps without breaking a sweat

asciilifeform: this is 90% of the appeal, i suspect, of '3d printer' to begin with. the problems of making shapes with motorized glue gun are quite elaborate, and the aficionados never miss a chance to show off 'clever algos' etc. they normally eschew metal-cutting, despite the promise of actually making something functional -- because they would have to bow to grey-bearded machinists who've been doing cnc since 1950s, and can wipe the floor with t

asciilifeform: phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840085 << i've looked at their cad crapola, quite a bit of ( entirely dead-end, but besides the point )effort for '5min drunken theory' scenario ☝︎

asciilifeform: iirc su had a quite-satisfactory version of this in 1980s.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ir laser has its place -- silently mutilate the expensive optics of usg gear, from coupla km away

asciilifeform: cn happy to 'help' darpa spend, like reagan was happy to help su.

asciilifeform: aaha yes.

asciilifeform: ( 'surgically' touch off the cig lighter in enemy general's left pocket while leaving the one in his right, alone ..?? )

asciilifeform: unclear what this thing accomplishes that ordinary incendiary round wouldn't

asciilifeform: still lulzy if considered as grunt weapon ( i can picture, for saboteur, but for grunt -- laugh )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839988 << the gigantic muzzle optic suggests that they picked archimedes's solution to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839983 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: tree of reason may as well be tree of eden, to them.

asciilifeform: redditus, being closer to a talking parrot than human, indeed will find it quite impossible to do anything not already laid out in 'cookbook'.

asciilifeform: 'clue' is slightly easier, tho still tricky, recall http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/#selection-149.0-157.415

asciilifeform: ww2 partizans crafted perfectly usable grenades, mortars, etc out of junkyard fill. what can't be made from junkyard -- is courage.

asciilifeform: scratch a 'technical' problem -- find a psychiatric problem.

asciilifeform: lolyes.

asciilifeform: but sure, wanking on '3d printer' is much easier...

asciilifeform: if they wanted to demo 'futility of usg control', could start by showing that car battery + distilled h2o + coupla hrs will level a brick house just as well as dynamite, etc.

asciilifeform: i can just as easily think of 8999 other example.

asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children' ☟︎

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/RRFN6 << photopr0n of subj -- wunderwaffe from prev reich

asciilifeform: ^ see also

asciilifeform: !#s hochdruckpumpe

asciilifeform: but beyond this, aficionados gotta do their own homewowk.

asciilifeform: anyway quick look in the lit suggests v of 500 to 1000 m/s for h2/o2, depending on pressure and whether there's atmospheric n2 in the mix.

asciilifeform: ( at least the bomb people were only concerned with 'how many nanoseconds until it frags', rather than 'reusable cannon', much easier problem )

asciilifeform: afaik there isn't actually a metal you can make 'tetryl cannon' from, the shockwave exceeds bond strength of anyffing in the earthling mendeleev table

asciilifeform: well yes, pretty much whole story of nuke 'tamper' is about this.

asciilifeform: afaik exactly as frangible as pb

asciilifeform: ( and , for sake of argument, why au rather than pb )

asciilifeform: why would you make chamber of soft metal ?!!

asciilifeform: ( interesting that afaik to date nobody ever used. )

asciilifeform: i have nfi whether h2/o2 would make for a rifle that anyone dares to fire; but conceivably a-ok for 'infernal machine'.

asciilifeform: 'too fast' also possible. recall usg's 'project eldest son', where they salted vietnam jungle with ak rounds filled with tetryl

asciilifeform: that's the main constraint re 'could or not'

asciilifeform: what's the detonation v of h2/o2 anyway

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as big a bang as you have reactant, neh

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the potato people demonstrated, iirc, in early 2000s, just gotta be scaled down and made of steel.

asciilifeform: ( no carrying around unreacted h2/o2 mix, lol, that's worse than the korean leather cannon, far more lethal to owner than enemy )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetically, known volume of distilled water goes in the dosator tube, and current flows until it stops, then spark.

asciilifeform: Mocky: was speaking of flesh-cutting specifically

asciilifeform: but h2/o2 'electrical' musket is prolly realistic partizan weapon, if anybody could be arsed.

asciilifeform: and laser is not particularly useful in the field aside from eye-gougin'.

asciilifeform: ( tho the 'potato cannon' hobbyists still try )

asciilifeform: butane does not replace gunpowder.

asciilifeform: !#s thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, ru air corps still teaches ramming as a legit move

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be a costly and riotously bulky thing, even if the atmosphere didn't get in the way (and it does)

asciilifeform: ( for folx who slept in kindergarten -- air is not perfectly transparent ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'past blinding' needs a coupla kW and some way to deal with hot air refraction ( afaik still unsolved )

asciilifeform: ( usa Officially doesn't , because 'treaty', but surely does, given as any idjit with fiddybux can pick up a 5-10W laser diode with 0 questions asked )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cn had pretty decent 'eye burner' as far back as 1990s

asciilifeform: if ^ types had the brains the gods gave a slug, they'd at least consider trying something new & truly usg-circumventing, e.g. hand cannon that takes pb bullets and h2/o2 ( distilled water + current ) for propellant, finally and for all time curing the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044317 nonsense ☝︎

asciilifeform: in re small arms, anybody recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504265 derp ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: which is how they get the d00d with 400 holes in'im for the news cameras

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the various leaked clips are anythign to go by, once 1 works up the courage, they all let loose

asciilifeform: but asciilifeform is not expert re subj.

asciilifeform: i thought usg police favoured machinepistols, with slow, blunt , unjacketed bullets, like the last reich

asciilifeform: hm, possibly the 'compatibility' is 1way. i dun recall exactly.

asciilifeform: the brit -- i've nfi

asciilifeform: ( iirc they are interchangeable in the field )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the nato ( middle of photo ) is ~= to the -06, neh

asciilifeform: ( TT, i.e. 7.62x25 , incidentally, also goes through kevlar noprob )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839921 << BingoBoingo i'm not aware of any other historically significant '.30's ( unless you count mauser/TT short .30 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( english )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839934 << afaik orig item is an early 1990s usenet copypasta, of unknown veracity ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/de/17/7f/de177fb5c8d3335765a672f096f0960b.jpg << subj : far left of photo. (middle : nato. right : 7.62 (pre-smallbulletism) kalash. )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe, even the humble bolt-action mosin, 1890s tech, usg dun like, happily goes through whatever kevlar vests, 2-3 at a time

asciilifeform: comp. with bayonet.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall, when you could get ye olde mosin for ~100bux

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'easter block loot' has all a) ran out b) banned by obummer for import

asciilifeform: even the hyped 'rights lobbying' was 100% chemically pure scamola ( nra conceded 'compromise' erry single time whatever ban was going through in washington )

asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that there was at any point anything there.

asciilifeform: entirely tru

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm speaking from the 'oh noez my restaurant is going broke' 'have you tried not taking steaming shits in EVERY plate?' pov.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561736 ftr ☝︎

asciilifeform: i suspect nra would have moar subscribers if they refrained from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561733 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( usa finds d00d with uncrippled kalash ? 20 to life )

asciilifeform: the mental gymnastics of usaschwitz inmates in pretending that they were not already effectively disarmed , are vaguely entertaining

asciilifeform: congrats diana_coman

asciilifeform: oh hey

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575059 << oblig naggum ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: it's come to where i suspect that even bothering to look at the old coad, is a ~guaranteed waste of time, oughta go straight to knuth and blank page.

asciilifeform: recently i had a replay of this experience, went to look for fast fourier transform routine , in ada, ~same thing.

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: we're on the one with the 'fly eyes'.

asciilifeform: but we dun live there.

asciilifeform: not that i wouldn't like to live on the planet where there's a 'library of alexandria' of high-quality, well-documented coad, for the taking.

asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of ~how~ implemented -- pointerolade errywhere, etc )

asciilifeform: ave1: recall in 2016, when i went to look for ada arithmetic lib, and found several, all of them immediately threw away, liquishit with variably-wide, heap-allocated bigints, and half MB or even heavier src

asciilifeform: *yr or 2 ago

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839829 << a yr or 2 asciilifeform would've balked at this pov, and iirc did when mircea_popescu first wrote it, but today i strongly suspect that the value of 'vintage coad archive' is most likely ~0. quite likely that little to none of it is written to my current standard of hygiene. ( and the effort to answer this q, is closely similar to the effort to simply write new programs... ) ☝︎