asciilifeform: ( 1 time asciilifeform took such a piece of industrial gear, carefully stripped off the microshit, wrote replacement, and tried to sell as product... but this tale is in the l0gz somewhere )
asciilifeform: you'd be disgusted if saw what runs typical 'pro' gear.
asciilifeform: sadly enuff i've personally used a $1mil mass spec with win95 on it
asciilifeform: aha, blinkenlights, 'guarantees', 3-4fig price, the lot.
asciilifeform: approx same 'analyzer' that you'd get simply by connecting a germanium diode across a hardware shop voltmeter.
asciilifeform: try an' buy any of a coupla basic things, and before you know it you're knee deep in the liquishit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, i know, to my grief
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, at least a subset of these, ~are~ a kind of orcish spectral analyzer. but missing massive chunks of spectrum , 0 provision for external antennae , mostly display johnson noise )
asciilifeform: for a laugh, look some time for spectrum analyzer on lulazon. will find 9000 'homeopathic' boxes for 'finding the cia mind control rays'.☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should try this 'riddle' on fresh off the boat usian gurlz, btw. i shit thee not, they dun teach the 'times table' nomoar
asciilifeform: the red man, destroyed with firewater, ru indigenous ic factories -- with siemens gear, and pdp11. worked .
asciilifeform: ( the remnants of ru ic capability -- definitely known to. fughet even ic, even kalash in izhevsk made on german mills. )
asciilifeform: this goes even for the asian industrial titans. last i knew, chinese ic fabs still were using gear from siemens etc
asciilifeform: some monkey reservations still sitting on result of 100+y of human activity; others -- not; is the only real diff.
asciilifeform: midwest ~= africa, just about, by nao, yes.
asciilifeform: the end of that road loox something like BingoBoingostan, where if you want to get something other than pile of goat shit or a 'samsung' lcd tv, gotta smuggle it past the border in anal pouches
asciilifeform: ( usa is pretty far along this zimbabweization continuum, and definitely sliding as we speak, but it is still possible to get parts there in day or 2 , reliably. for nao... )
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit tho is that industrial production (not even speaking of laboratory experimentation) is agonizingly centralized; if i had to set up FG production in bananistan, would prolly still be stuck sourcing resistors, and tearing out hair, like kurt tank in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839406☝︎
asciilifeform: lulazon is inca-centralizing to an extent lolmart et al could only have dreamed of -- ~0 competition in described space
asciilifeform: the only reason i even use lulazon for anyffing, 'pay 80bux/y and the rest of the yr can order 3 m3 screws and two metres of #10 copper shipped sameday for 0 extra' etc☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that back in its native orcistan , lulazon appeals largely by playing subscription games with shipping
asciilifeform: this is troo of just about all industrial goods tho
asciilifeform: FG was also fixed-shipping-cost also neh
asciilifeform: speaking of this, if any l1 folx wants the c101pa carcass, probes and all, and the spare MBs etc, plox to write in
asciilifeform destroyed unspeakably fine toys by the crateload, to the great frustration of his elder brother
asciilifeform: 'first kill the inca, then we think what next' is imho 100% legit programme.
asciilifeform: ( and also not clear that it didn't desperately need burnin' down, for that matter )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that jacobins etc actually believed in anyffing other than 'let's burn shit down'
asciilifeform: painful to think on what most petrol in usa is used. i suspect -- this.
asciilifeform: there's a d00d on my street who goes on, i shit thee not, 10 minute long car trips. 8 or so times in a day. ( i think, to buy mcfood ) but just picture this .
asciilifeform: hey i have nfi what is this mythical 'perfectability', on my home planet we have 'горбатого могила исправит' instead
asciilifeform: folx who wanted curtain call, jumped the wire, got shot fulla holes, errybody else -- not, no choppings or other oddities, nobody particularly eager to lie down in mengele's hospital.
asciilifeform: afaik in german camps nobody chopped off own hands, feet, there was no +ev in it
asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843083 item, i suspect it is same general psychopathology as prisoners who bang their heads, blow up own feet with blasting caps, etc to get a stint in hospital as break from butugychag uranium vein tunnel, 'care' from medics, etc☝︎
asciilifeform: re 'johnson noise', absolutely troo, and can't think how could disagree
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: frederick's men were likewise free of sr-90 in bones, and corn syrop fat, and 9000+ else. i have nfi specifically what to pin whichever diff on, therefore.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the correct thing to do, from pov of the 'kulaks', would be to 1) have nuke waste from ru flown in , and spread generously on nao-'government' land 2) for btc
asciilifeform: i'm not in the habit of retrofitting a why to where there wasn't one. i suppose i have one set of jumper settings, she -- another, or i'd be in #darpa or wherever the capons and kanzures live, and not here
asciilifeform: i'd rather go straight to the very bottom of the deep sea, than to be 'saved' like the chix in that story was 'saved' ( not that noncuntbearing folx run much risk of this kind of fate, but there are cases on record )
asciilifeform: and still to this day working through how.
asciilifeform: for instance brin the elder told me ~20y ago that 'yer a tard', i did not argue then also.
asciilifeform: revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.☟︎
asciilifeform: i'll admit to a bit of surprise re the recurrence of the 'retireded gringo' in mircea_popescu's field reports, i was under impression that these were rare outside of reservation
asciilifeform: 'in my chukcha village we have flight also, shaman gives flight mushroom'
