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mp_en_viaje: bvt, do not despair, even if
these do not work out,
they're still worth doing. depressing as it may be, at least we know, at least we do
the homework, etc.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 15:56 asciilifeform: !Q later
tell bvt
ty for digging up
the 1801 materials; dun suppose you could get
the author in here ?
diana_coman: the whole C-thread reads... interestingly from
the depths of planeshit client +crystalspace
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Talvi has a campaign office a block and a half away.
The campaign office is
topped by a billboard selling Luis
BingoBoingo: The USG-ist appearing candidates are
the second place guy in
the National Party, some fat old Potato whose name begins with L and
the other Colorado Guy. Some cuck named
Talvi.
BingoBoingo: Then
there's about 20-40 fringe candidates spread across
the major parties,
their subdivisions, and
the "why are
they
trying
to compete on a national scale" parties
BingoBoingo: Then
there's
the Fat Forehead Party,
their favored candidate is
the cuck who was Mayor until he had
to quit
that job
to campaign.
BingoBoingo: The old Pantsuitist Party
the Colorados have a nearly 90 year old former President running even in
their polls with some young derp. Colorados don't ever break 15% in intention
to vote.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well guy allegedly polling
third in
the National Party is Satori with
the Russian oligarch wife and legal marijuana bsns selling
the pharmacy schwag.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well, frontrunner for
the National Party nomination "Luis LaCalle Pou" had an uncle killed by
the CIA in
the 70's.
BingoBoingo: Unless
they were getting paid with clean clinton corruption
BingoBoingo unsure what Harvard Pantsuit would want
the salary of a Uruguayo Minister
BingoBoingo: The entry point for used vehicles
to Merosur is Paraguay anyways.
They get
them from
the Japs and convert
to American driver's position
BingoBoingo: Hence
the "prove you didn't steal
the junk ambulance" dance
BingoBoingo: And
the immune system kicks in because Uruguayo Pantsuits don't want
to be replaced by US Pantsuits
BingoBoingo: Or so
the group says. Nothing in
the story about Uruguay not wanting junk vehicles dumped here (unless
the junk vehicles are new Indian/Chicom bikes)
BingoBoingo: And
the
thing ending over a couple bucks for an apostille
BingoBoingo: So it goes. But interesting
to see
the immune system story
told from
the other side.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: moreover -- it'd
totall be worth more like
that.
mp_en_viaje: ima have
to sit down and read
these sometime.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:12 asciilifeform: imho
the so-called 'civilized' world ought
to have
to answer re why it failed
to produce a product like
this.
mp_en_viaje: the ~exact same process~
through which an acceptable republican artefact is constructed is
the ~exact same process~
through which a mind grows into republican form.
the way you convince us
to use your proggy is
the way 15yo learns how
to write a proggy we'll use. and so fucking on forever.
mp_en_viaje: "bring your children
to work day" fucking hell. how can children and adults be distinguished in
this sense ? "oh, mp, we in ourdemocracy have arbitrary cutoffs,
there's creative people and good at maths people and so on". "fuck you."
mp_en_viaje: but it is doubtless worth commenting upon how design-with-a-view-to-wot automatically resolves
the "work/education '''disparity'''". ie,
they "become"
the same exact fucking
thing
that
they were all along.
mp_en_viaje: at least now
they have plain and self-obvious example of what ~should~ do with
their life ; so it can't be said you lived in vain.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:06 asciilifeform would luvvv
to read 'ffa-style' incarnation of such a work, where
the chip is 'built up' from empty space in ~hour-long chunks. but prolly
this won't exist until asciilifeform writes 1..
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:03 asciilifeform: ^ and before mp asks, yes it's combo of manual
typewriter and ink pen, and no it won't in a million years ocr, other
than by meat ( and is largely schematics / waveforms anyway )
mp_en_viaje: one of
the major
things we're working
towards here is
to construct
the ada-centric self-hosting ecosystem.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 22:29 asciilifeform:
to properly shoot
the
'primacy of c' in
the head, gotta remove
the 'it is where
the self-hosting happens' 1st and foremost.
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, order is order, first we scratch,
then we discover.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 22:28 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << currently i suspect
that
tcc & similar is a mirage; and
that an actual serious solution would moar resemble
the bolix approach, where you have a proper lisp and a ~compact~ + readable c-to-lisp ~in~ it for use with legacy crapola while-needed
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, or as buffett put it back in
the day his brain still worked, "when a manager with a reputation for success attempts
to
tackle a problem with a reputation for intractability, it is
the manager's reputation
that ends up
tarnished"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: If individuals want
to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet
to avoid NSA goons,
that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see
that happening for
the billions any
time soon.
mp_en_viaje: and
these aren't mere words. it is what i see
these people as, from
the last poettering
to
the foremost stallman or linus, including
the whole menagerie of "
i just wanted to suck dicks" anodyne anons, be
they zx wharever or oj whatever or whichever other one.
mp_en_viaje: the "let
there be a javascript interpreter for c, call it
tcc or w/e, people can play with if
theyr'e bored" is really
the outmost of concession i can make
to what is, ultimately, a shameful, abortive and utterly reprehensible outgrowth on human culture =
the
totality of everyone involved in computer systems design and implementatio nfor
the past few decades.
mp_en_viaje: thus
therefore, i do not see
the need
to continue supporting c as a mental construct. even having
to reimplement "everything" (ie, practically, nothing at all) from outside is preferable
to an attempt at continuing c.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile its been YEARS, and guess what ? 0 new development on c. everyone wants
to write in ada.
mp_en_viaje: see, all
this reasoning is informed by experience : back when we started looking at systems design lang, and started discussing ada, i was very adamantly for maintaining options open.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, in general, i do not see
there's any need for having a musl gcc in
the first place.
mp_en_viaje: yes, it's possible
that someone living cca 2005 did something useful with
their life, instead of "raising myspace awareness" or w/e
the fuck
they did back
tghen.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:55 bvt:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909440 <<
this would involve getting binutils under our control - bigger part of
these
timestamps are added by ar/ld;
tbh i even dunno if gcc is responsible for
this at all.
mp_en_viaje: so,
to answer
the q : get as much as possible of system working on actual systems lang ; get AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE on
tcc.
mp_en_viaje: this "gcc is how you call
the universal compiler" is cut of
the same cloth as "the united states is
the name good people give
to
truth, beauty, and everything good" -- of no import or interest, past pure comedic "lmao check
those country bumpkins out,
they really believe god was born in mobile"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:44 bvt:
the problem with
these both approaches is
that it's impossible
to get gnat/ada
that way - gnat was bootstrapped from some commercial ada compiler in ~1994, and is self-hosted since
that
times. (well, impossible by definition with just
tcc)
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909529 <<
the idea isn't
to get
tcc
to compile ada.
the idea is
to destroy gcc -- cut
the "useful compilation half" into an ada compiler ; cut
the shitlands compilation half into a small weight something else.
there is no republican future for gcc as a gcc in
the foss / linus-stallman sense of
the
term.
☝︎☟︎ mp_en_viaje: the whole point is
to
turn c into what it actually is -- a sort of javascript
the niggers
to rakim'd in
the head
to use computers keep pissing out.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:44 bvt:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909396 << do you mean going [preinstalled gcc6] ->
tcc -> gcc2.95 -> gcc4.7 -> gcc4.9 for cuntoo? or drop gcc entirely,
try
to get as much as possible running on
tcc?
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << drop gcc entirely ; drop all c code entirely ; rely on
tcc as a scripting language
to
turn whatever snippets of c into object code
that we haven't yet
thrown away ; and for quick prototyping, where one's stuck getting a mass of 1mn shitlocs interop with 10k loc's worth of a whole universe
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:19 lobbes: After
that, I'm going
to start working on re-implementing
the auto-bidding functionality (which will also be a vpatch)
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile ustards fucked
the model, but
this doesn't mean it went away as a model. quite possible
the chinos get it, made
themselves plausibly-denied federation.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 18:44 BingoBoingo suspects
the one state different systems
treatment of Chinese "special administrative regions" is an effect of
the anti-strategic Chinese languages.
They want resort playground with different rules
to play and hedge in, when
the leases expired back
to
them
they just sorta let
the places happen.
mp_en_viaje: and might i say btw
tha
tthe new linking log scheeme is a fucking pleasure
to use.